In looking at help forums, I often see questions from people coming from the most popular Debian-based distribution. Since the Debian world does a lot of things differently, it's common to see:
* How do I apt-get install things? * Where are the logs? * How do I get sudo access? * How do I configure networking
I think an article targetting these users would be useful. (Being careful, of course, to not make it antagonistic or hostile to our friendly rivals from Canonical.)
Hi,
I think one of the differences to explain is how the updates and upgrades work. Ubuntu has a strict schedule compared to Debian (its mother distro) and Fedora. They have LTS (Fedora doesn't) and "normal" upgrades. I've seen many people getting confused with this, often understanding that Fedora is unstable because it has no LTS. Maybe we could explain how Fedora updates work and why this doesn't mean that is unstable, but just things have organised in a different way?
My two cents, Silvia FAS: Lailah
On 9 January 2018 at 15:06, Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org wrote:
In looking at help forums, I often see questions from people coming from the most popular Debian-based distribution. Since the Debian world does a lot of things differently, it's common to see:
- How do I apt-get install things?
- Where are the logs?
- How do I get sudo access?
- How do I configure networking
I think an article targetting these users would be useful. (Being careful, of course, to not make it antagonistic or hostile to our friendly rivals from Canonical.)
-- Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org Fedora Project Leader _______________________________________________ Fedora Magazine mailing list -- magazine@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to magazine-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org
On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 11:59:55AM +0100, Silvia Sánchez wrote:
I think one of the differences to explain is how the updates and upgrades work. Ubuntu has a strict schedule compared to Debian (its mother distro) and Fedora. They have LTS (Fedora doesn't) and "normal" upgrades. I've seen many people getting confused with this, often understanding that Fedora is unstable because it has no LTS. Maybe we could explain how Fedora updates work and why this doesn't mean that is unstable, but just things have organised in a different way?
I'm actually working on some messaging documents about LTS and rolling releases. I think the above is a good topic, but for this article I'm thinking more about practical tools differences rather than strutural differences like that. Make sense?
It make a lot of sense, but looking it as "trying to not compare" I think it would be good idea to focus this in a serie of mini how-to refreshing this knowledge. Or we can just send a lot of cheat cubes to everyone asking :D
Br
2018-01-10 12:25 GMT-03:00 Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org:
On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 11:59:55AM +0100, Silvia Sánchez wrote:
I think one of the differences to explain is how the updates and upgrades work. Ubuntu has a strict schedule compared to Debian (its mother
distro)
and Fedora. They have LTS (Fedora doesn't) and "normal" upgrades. I've seen many people getting confused with this, often understanding
that
Fedora is unstable because it has no LTS. Maybe we could explain how Fedora updates work and why this doesn't mean that is unstable, but just things have organised in a different way?
I'm actually working on some messaging documents about LTS and rolling releases. I think the above is a good topic, but for this article I'm thinking more about practical tools differences rather than strutural differences like that. Make sense?
-- Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org Fedora Project Leader _______________________________________________ Fedora Magazine mailing list -- magazine@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to magazine-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org
What about expanding the series into a set of "Migrating from $OTHER_DISTRO"? Each article can touch on the differences between $OTHER_DISTRO and Fedora.
* Ubuntu * Debian * openSUSE * ArchLinux
~link
On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 7:28 AM, Eduard Lucena eduardlucena@gmail.com wrote:
It make a lot of sense, but looking it as "trying to not compare" I think it would be good idea to focus this in a serie of mini how-to refreshing this knowledge. Or we can just send a lot of cheat cubes to everyone asking :D
Br
2018-01-10 12:25 GMT-03:00 Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org:
On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 11:59:55AM +0100, Silvia Sánchez wrote:
I think one of the differences to explain is how the updates and
upgrades
work. Ubuntu has a strict schedule compared to Debian (its mother
distro)
and Fedora. They have LTS (Fedora doesn't) and "normal"
upgrades.
I've seen many people getting confused with this, often
understanding that
Fedora is unstable because it has no LTS. Maybe we could explain
how
Fedora updates work and why this doesn't mean that is unstable,
but just
things have organised in a different way?
I'm actually working on some messaging documents about LTS and rolling releases. I think the above is a good topic, but for this article I'm thinking more about practical tools differences rather than strutural differences like that. Make sense?
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On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 07:47:10AM -0800, Link Dupont wrote:
What about expanding the series into a set of "Migrating from $OTHER_DISTRO"? Each article can touch on the differences between $OTHER_DISTRO and Fedora.
- Ubuntu
- Debian
- openSUSE
- ArchLinux
This idea seems fine to me, but I'd propose "Fedora tips for $OTHER_DISTRO users" which sounds less passive-aggressive to me. :-)
On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 09:06:33AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
In looking at help forums, I often see questions from people coming from the most popular Debian-based distribution. Since the Debian world does a lot of things differently, it's common to see:
- How do I apt-get install things?
- Where are the logs?
- How do I get sudo access?
- How do I configure networking
I think an article targetting these users would be useful. (Being careful, of course, to not make it antagonistic or hostile to our friendly rivals from Canonical.)
We didn't have time to delve into this in our weekly meeting, but I agree this kind of article would be useful. Interested in what other editors think, too!
Is there someone on the list who'd be willing to draft such an article?
Hey Paul,
I can write the article. A draft can be ready by end of next week if that's ok?
Regards,
Shaun Assam ________________________________ From: Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 12:54:12 PM To: magazine@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: article idea: Fedora for Ubuntu users
On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 09:06:33AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
In looking at help forums, I often see questions from people coming from the most popular Debian-based distribution. Since the Debian world does a lot of things differently, it's common to see:
- How do I apt-get install things?
- Where are the logs?
- How do I get sudo access?
- How do I configure networking
I think an article targetting these users would be useful. (Being careful, of course, to not make it antagonistic or hostile to our friendly rivals from Canonical.)
We didn't have time to delve into this in our weekly meeting, but I agree this kind of article would be useful. Interested in what other editors think, too!
Is there someone on the list who'd be willing to draft such an article?
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On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 07:03:56PM +0000, Shaun Assam wrote:
I can write the article. A draft can be ready by end of next week if that's ok?
Sounds good to me. Feel free to notify us here on the list once you have something you'd like reviewed.
On Tue, 2018-01-09 at 09:06 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
In looking at help forums, I often see questions from people coming from the most popular Debian-based distribution. Since the Debian world does a lot of things differently, it's common to see:
- How do I apt-get install things?
- Where are the logs?
- How do I get sudo access?
- How do I configure networking
I think an article targetting these users would be useful. (Being careful, of course, to not make it antagonistic or hostile to our friendly rivals from Canonical.)
I think this is a worthy article, but we may not have to skew it just towards Ubuntu. It might be sufficient to be broader with Debian based distros vs. Fedora. The gap may be closing now that Ubuntu is using Gnome instead of Unity.
I would be happy to review or write the article.
Charles
On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 09:09:08PM -0500, charles profitt wrote:
On Tue, 2018-01-09 at 09:06 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
In looking at help forums, I often see questions from people coming from the most popular Debian-based distribution. Since the Debian world does a lot of things differently, it's common to see:
- How do I apt-get install things?
- Where are the logs?
- How do I get sudo access?
- How do I configure networking
I think an article targetting these users would be useful. (Being careful, of course, to not make it antagonistic or hostile to our friendly rivals from Canonical.)
I think this is a worthy article, but we may not have to skew it just towards Ubuntu. It might be sufficient to be broader with Debian based distros vs. Fedora. The gap may be closing now that Ubuntu is using Gnome instead of Unity.
I would be happy to review or write the article.
Would you be OK to work with Shaun, review and collaborate on a draft?
On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 04:17:28PM -0500, charles profitt wrote:
On Fri, 2018-01-12 at 08:47 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Would you be OK to work with Shaun, review and collaborate on a draft?
--
I would be OK with working with or just reviewing. I am happy either way.
It's up to you two. Go for it!
Hi Charles,
I think you would be better suited to write this article. Unfortunately my hands are currently tied and it's hard for me to give this article the attention it deserves. However I would be more than happy to provide any suggestions or ideas if needed.
Regards,
Shaun Assam ________________________________ From: Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 12:03:42 PM To: magazine@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: article idea: Fedora for Ubuntu users
On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 04:17:28PM -0500, charles profitt wrote:
On Fri, 2018-01-12 at 08:47 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Would you be OK to work with Shaun, review and collaborate on a draft?
--
I would be OK with working with or just reviewing. I am happy either way.
It's up to you two. Go for it!
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Sorry, I get lost. What approach are we going to have here? The last one commented was "Fedora tips for $OTHER_DISTRO users".
Br,
2018-01-19 11:24 GMT-03:00 Shaun Assam thebeardedhermit@hotmail.com:
Hi Charles,
I think you would be better suited to write this article. Unfortunately my hands are currently tied and it's hard for me to give this article the attention it deserves. However I would be more than happy to provide any suggestions or ideas if needed.
Regards,
Shaun Assam ________________________________ From: Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 12:03:42 PM To: magazine@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: article idea: Fedora for Ubuntu users
On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 04:17:28PM -0500, charles profitt wrote:
On Fri, 2018-01-12 at 08:47 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Would you be OK to work with Shaun, review and collaborate on a draft?
--
I would be OK with working with or just reviewing. I am happy either way.
It's up to you two. Go for it!
-- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com _______________________________________________ Fedora Magazine mailing list -- magazine@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to magazine-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org _______________________________________________ Fedora Magazine mailing list -- magazine@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to magazine-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org
Eduard:
I believe that is the approach we will take... though depending on how the article goes it might be a series vs. a single article.
Charles
On Fri, 2018-01-19 at 11:40 -0300, Eduard Lucena wrote:
Sorry, I get lost. What approach are we going to have here? The last one commented was "Fedora tips for $OTHER_DISTRO users".
Br,
2018-01-19 11:24 GMT-03:00 Shaun Assam thebeardedhermit@hotmail.com :
Hi Charles,
I think you would be better suited to write this article. Unfortunately my hands are currently tied and it's hard for me to give this article the attention it deserves. However I would be more than happy to provide any suggestions or ideas if needed.
Regards,
Shaun Assam ________________________________ From: Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 12:03:42 PM To: magazine@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: article idea: Fedora for Ubuntu users
On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 04:17:28PM -0500, charles profitt wrote:
On Fri, 2018-01-12 at 08:47 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Would you be OK to work with Shaun, review and collaborate on a draft?
--
I would be OK with working with or just reviewing. I am happy either way.
It's up to you two. Go for it!
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Shaun:
I will start working on it early next week and send you a link to the preview as I work on it. I will welcome all of your feedback.
Charles
On Fri, 2018-01-19 at 14:24 +0000, Shaun Assam wrote:
Hi Charles,
I think you would be better suited to write this article. Unfortunately my hands are currently tied and it's hard for me to give this article the attention it deserves. However I would be more than happy to provide any suggestions or ideas if needed.
Regards,
Shaun Assam From: Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 12:03:42 PM To: magazine@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: article idea: Fedora for Ubuntu users
On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 04:17:28PM -0500, charles profitt wrote:
On Fri, 2018-01-12 at 08:47 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Would you be OK to work with Shaun, review and collaborate on a draft?
--
I would be OK with working with or just reviewing. I am happy
either
way.
It's up to you two. Go for it!
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