The draft of my article idea from November is finally ready: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/us/123?kanb...
Adam had planned on publishing this Wednesday, so it will need a not-me to give it an editorial once-over. There's supposedly a featured image prepared for it, but I couldn't find it in WordPress quickly.
I did send this to my contact at NTK a few moments ago so that he could tell me if there are any blatant lies in it. Hopefully he doesn't come back with any major edits (or worse: he has major edits but doesn't get them to me until after we publish).
Thanks, BC
FWIW, it looks good to me.
Since the grammar is a little rough in the first quotation, should "[sic]" be appended to the end?
On Mon, 2020-02-17 at 17:00 -0500, Ben Cotton wrote:
The draft of my article idea from November is finally ready: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/us/123?kanb...
Adam had planned on publishing this Wednesday, so it will need a not-me to give it an editorial once-over. There's supposedly a featured image prepared for it, but I couldn't find it in WordPress quickly.
I did send this to my contact at NTK a few moments ago so that he could tell me if there are any blatant lies in it. Hopefully he doesn't come back with any major edits (or worse: he has major edits but doesn't get them to me until after we publish).
Thanks, BC
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Correction, that should be "the second quotation" -- in the first paragraph of the "updates" section.
On Mon, 2020-02-17 at 16:54 -0600, Gregory Lee Bartholomew wrote:
FWIW, it looks good to me.
Since the grammar is a little rough in the first quotation, should "[sic]" be appended to the end?
On Mon, 2020-02-17 at 17:00 -0500, Ben Cotton wrote:
The draft of my article idea from November is finally ready: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/us/123?kanb...
Adam had planned on publishing this Wednesday, so it will need a not-me to give it an editorial once-over. There's supposedly a featured image prepared for it, but I couldn't find it in WordPress quickly.
I did send this to my contact at NTK a few moments ago so that he could tell me if there are any blatant lies in it. Hopefully he doesn't come back with any major edits (or worse: he has major edits but doesn't get them to me until after we publish).
Thanks, BC
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On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 5:54 PM Gregory Lee Bartholomew < gregory.lee.bartholomew@gmail.com> wrote:
FWIW, it looks good to me.
Since the grammar is a little rough in the first quotation, should "[sic]" be appended to the end?
Thanks for the review! I'm inclined to leave off the '[sic]' for two reasons:
1. I don't think the grammar is too unusual, especially for non-native English speakers 2. Using 'sic' seems a little passive-aggressive a lot of times.
I feel like this would call attention to non-native English phrasing without any benefit. I'm open to a counter argument, though. And I'm definitely not trying to imply that you're being passive-aggressive in suggesting it. :-)
Thanks Ben. I'm just looking for editing guidelines. I'll be sure to avoid using sic in articles that I edit for the magazine.
On Tue, 2020-02-18 at 09:26 -0500, Ben Cotton wrote:
On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 5:54 PM Gregory Lee Bartholomew gregory.lee.bartholomew@gmail.com wrote:
FWIW, it looks good to me.
Since the grammar is a little rough in the first quotation, should "[sic]" be appended to the end?
Thanks for the review! I'm inclined to leave off the '[sic]' for two reasons:
- I don't think the grammar is too unusual, especially for non-native English speakers
- Using 'sic' seems a little passive-aggressive a lot of times.
I feel like this would call attention to non-native English phrasing without any benefit. I'm open to a counter argument, though. And I'm definitely not trying to imply that you're being passive-aggressive in suggesting it. :-)
I found a photo I took in the library — so I used it for the cover image. It's an excellent write up! Scheduled for tomorrow.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 4:35 PM Gregory Lee Bartholomew < gregory.lee.bartholomew@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Ben. I'm just looking for editing guidelines. I'll be sure to avoid using sic in articles that I edit for the magazine.
On Tue, 2020-02-18 at 09:26 -0500, Ben Cotton wrote:
On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 5:54 PM Gregory Lee Bartholomew <
gregory.lee.bartholomew@gmail.com> wrote:
FWIW, it looks good to me.
Since the grammar is a little rough in the first quotation, should
"[sic]" be
appended to the end?
Thanks for the review! I'm inclined to leave off the '[sic]' for two
reasons:
- I don't think the grammar is too unusual, especially for non-native
English speakers
- Using 'sic' seems a little passive-aggressive a lot of times.
I feel like this would call attention to non-native English phrasing
without any benefit. I'm open to a counter argument, though. And I'm definitely not trying to imply that you're being passive-aggressive in suggesting it. :-)
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On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 10:35 AM Gregory Lee Bartholomew < gregory.lee.bartholomew@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Ben. I'm just looking for editing guidelines. I'll be sure to avoid using sic in articles that I edit for the magazine.
If you think it's appropriate, then by all means use it. It might be good for us to develop some consistent editorial practice for it. I'm not going to object if we decide that liberal usage is best.
My take, and I welcome disagreement, is that we should use it when quotes are significantly difficult to understand (counterpoint: we should just not use those quotes instead) or when they contain factual inaccuracies (and again, we should probably avoid those quotes or provide better context for them).
I understand the desire to accurately represent quotes while also indicating to the reader that we are competent editors. If we were a news publication, then I'd be more inclined to use direct quotes with sic. But we're a volunteer magazine, and although we strive for (and IMO achieve) a respectable level of professionalism, our standards are naturally going to be different.
All of this is to say that I have reasons why I think we shouldn't use it, but I don't want to discourage discussion of the topic. This is a collaborative effort, and everyone is welcome to tell me (and anyone else) when they disagree.
Hello all,
To add my 2c worth, I don't particularily mind it's (sic) use when it is quoting verbatim, and especially if Editors need to apply a correction to the article. I do agree with Ben on the concern of overuse.
Stephen
On Tue, 2020-02-18 at 11:06 -0500, Ben Cotton wrote:
On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 10:35 AM Gregory Lee Bartholomew < gregory.lee.bartholomew@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Ben. I'm just looking for editing guidelines. I'll be sure to avoid using sic in articles that I edit for the magazine.
If you think it's appropriate, then by all means use it. It might be good for us to develop some consistent editorial practice for it. I'm not going to object if we decide that liberal usage is best.
My take, and I welcome disagreement, is that we should use it when quotes are significantly difficult to understand (counterpoint: we should just not use those quotes instead) or when they contain factual inaccuracies (and again, we should probably avoid those quotes or provide better context for them).
I understand the desire to accurately represent quotes while also indicating to the reader that we are competent editors. If we were a news publication, then I'd be more inclined to use direct quotes with sic. But we're a volunteer magazine, and although we strive for (and IMO achieve) a respectable level of professionalism, our standards are naturally going to be different.
All of this is to say that I have reasons why I think we shouldn't use it, but I don't want to discourage discussion of the topic. This is a collaborative effort, and everyone is welcome to tell me (and anyone else) when they disagree.
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FWIW, I think I agree more with Ben's "take" that it should be avoided because it might be seen as passive-aggressive. I suspect part of the point of sic is to inform readers that what is written isn't proper English so that no one will be tempted to imitate it elsewhere in their own speech or writing. That is probably more of a concern for a bigger news publication than it is for our small world. I also think trying to reenforce proper grammar in the modern era of acronyms like "LOL" and "FWIW" is probably a lost cause anyway.
Also, I think being in quotations is sufficient to indicate that what is written is not the work of the editor/writer. So sic is a bit redundant and unnecessary in that sense.
On Tue, 2020-02-18 at 11:47 -0500, Stephen Snow wrote:
Hello all,
To add my 2c worth, I don't particularily mind it's (sic) use when it is quoting verbatim, and especially if Editors need to apply a correction to the article. I do agree with Ben on the concern of overuse.
Stephen
On Tue, 2020-02-18 at 11:06 -0500, Ben Cotton wrote:
On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 10:35 AM Gregory Lee Bartholomew < gregory.lee.bartholomew@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Ben. I'm just looking for editing guidelines. I'll be sure to avoid using sic in articles that I edit for the magazine.
If you think it's appropriate, then by all means use it. It might be good for us to develop some consistent editorial practice for it. I'm not going to object if we decide that liberal usage is best.
My take, and I welcome disagreement, is that we should use it when quotes are significantly difficult to understand (counterpoint: we should just not use those quotes instead) or when they contain factual inaccuracies (and again, we should probably avoid those quotes or provide better context for them).
I understand the desire to accurately represent quotes while also indicating to the reader that we are competent editors. If we were a news publication, then I'd be more inclined to use direct quotes with sic. But we're a volunteer magazine, and although we strive for (and IMO achieve) a respectable level of professionalism, our standards are naturally going to be different.
All of this is to say that I have reasons why I think we shouldn't use it, but I don't want to discourage discussion of the topic. This is a collaborative effort, and everyone is welcome to tell me (and anyone else) when they disagree.
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I tend to agree with GLB here as well.
One addendum... I think for a publication like ours -- i.e. not a scholarly or important news source in the sense of journalism -- it's OK to correct slight errors in quotations, as long as it's clear what the author's meaning was. For instance, fixing a verb tense or pronoun agreement, the proper name of a thing, or something that might have been caused by the author's use of English as a second language. Those minor corrections don't change the sense of what the speaker wanted to convey.
Paul
On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 12:21 PM Gregory Lee Bartholomew < gregory.lee.bartholomew@gmail.com> wrote:
FWIW, I think I agree more with Ben's "take" that it should be avoided because it might be seen as passive-aggressive. I suspect part of the point of sic is to inform readers that what is written isn't proper English so that no one will be tempted to imitate it elsewhere in their own speech or writing. That is probably more of a concern for a bigger news publication than it is for our small world. I also think trying to reenforce proper grammar in the modern era of acronyms like "LOL" and "FWIW" is probably a lost cause anyway.
Also, I think being in quotations is sufficient to indicate that what is written is not the work of the editor/writer. So sic is a bit redundant and unnecessary in that sense.
On Tue, 2020-02-18 at 11:47 -0500, Stephen Snow wrote:
Hello all,
To add my 2c worth, I don't particularily mind it's (sic) use when it is quoting verbatim, and especially if Editors need to apply a correction to the article. I do agree with Ben on the concern of overuse.
Stephen
On Tue, 2020-02-18 at 11:06 -0500, Ben Cotton wrote:
On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 10:35 AM Gregory Lee Bartholomew < gregory.lee.bartholomew@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Ben. I'm just looking for editing guidelines. I'll be sure to avoid using sic in articles that I edit for the magazine.
If you think it's appropriate, then by all means use it. It might be good for us to develop some consistent editorial practice for it. I'm not going to object if we decide that liberal usage is best.
My take, and I welcome disagreement, is that we should use it when quotes are significantly difficult to understand (counterpoint: we should just not use those quotes instead) or when they contain factual inaccuracies (and again, we should probably avoid those quotes or provide better context for them).
I understand the desire to accurately represent quotes while also indicating to the reader that we are competent editors. If we were a news publication, then I'd be more inclined to use direct quotes with sic. But we're a volunteer magazine, and although we strive for (and IMO achieve) a respectable level of professionalism, our standards are naturally going to be different.
All of this is to say that I have reasons why I think we shouldn't use it, but I don't want to discourage discussion of the topic. This is a collaborative effort, and everyone is welcome to tell me (and anyone else) when they disagree.
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Is is common or required practice to get the original author's OK after and editor has done his/her thing? If so, I would think that would alleviate any concerns about modified quotations.
On Tue, 2020-02-18 at 13:19 -0500, Paul Frields wrote:
... I think ... it's OK to correct slight errors in quotations, as long as it's clear what the author's meaning was.
s/Is is/Is it/
On Tue, 2020-02-18 at 12:36 -0600, Gregory Lee Bartholomew wrote:
Is is common or required practice to get the original author's OK after and editor has done his/her thing? If so, I would think that would alleviate any concerns about modified quotations.
On Tue, 2020-02-18 at 13:19 -0500, Paul Frields wrote:
... I think ... it's OK to correct slight errors in quotations, as long as it's clear what the author's meaning was.
Not required here as long as the change is trivial. Unlike a newspaper or print magazine we can fix something later if for some reason the quoted person were to object. In the years I've been participating, that's never happened (again, probably due to the trivial corrections I'm talking about), so it's a corner case for which we don't need to engineer. But anyone who wants to check back in with the quoted person is welcome to do so!
Paul
On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 1:37 PM Gregory Lee Bartholomew < gregory.lee.bartholomew@gmail.com> wrote:
s/Is is/Is it/
On Tue, 2020-02-18 at 12:36 -0600, Gregory Lee Bartholomew wrote:
Is is common or required practice to get the original author's OK after
and
editor has done his/her thing? If so, I would think that would alleviate
any
concerns about modified quotations.
On Tue, 2020-02-18 at 13:19 -0500, Paul Frields wrote:
... I think ... it's OK to correct slight errors in quotations, as
long as it's clear what the author's meaning was.
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