On (Wed) 15 Jul 2015 [11:47:21], Máirín Duffy wrote:
>
>
> On 07/15/2015 09:43 AM, Amit Shah wrote:
> >Yes, at
> >
> >http://fudcon.in/code-of-conduct.html
>
> Ah okay, in this context your question makes a lot more sense bc of this
> text:
>
> "Attendees who are in violation of this policy may be subject to removal and
> banning from FUDCon (and future Fedora events)."
>
> I would say though we should probably resort to banning only in really
> extreme situations, hope it doesn't ever actually happen, but if it needs to
> allow the council to determine the steps involved when it happens.
Right - so we how about we change this text in our standard CoC, then
-- since we don't currently have a way of tracking CoC violations, as
well as banning is undesirable.
A note mentioning violations can be reported to the council, for
further action if necessary, should be enough then.
Thanks all who chimed in.
Amit
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On (Wed) 15 Jul 2015 [12:58:08], Beth Lynn Eicher wrote:
> As one of the author's of the conference anti-harassment policy
> template, I would like to comment. The policy is here:
> http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment/Policy
>
> When we first published it ~4 years ago, I discussed the CoC vs an
> event anti-harassment policy with a Red Hat employee, who I will not
> name because this person might not work for the company. I was told
> that Red Hat legal discussed it and decided that the CoC was enough. I
> said that I was fine with that as long as it was clearly identified as
> to who were the event organizers or board members at in person
> gatherings. I would also want a reminder that the CoC was in effect as
> not everyone at a FUDCon or FAD has necessarily become an officially
> signed up as an official Fedora contributor.
>
> I had been brought into the discussion of banning someone from future
> events for a non-Fedora, Free-Software-related project. The incident
> itself, in my opinion, warranted a demand for a written apology but
> not a full-bown perma-ban. However, due to the discomfort level of the
> greater the community, it would not be a good idea to welcome this
> individual to be in this space. To be clear, this was more than one
> person who felt unsafe around the offender, it was half the community
> having unpleasant interactions with this person. Events could not
> resume until this person was told that they were not welcome. It took
> awhile to draft such as message as the ban impacts more that just the
> accused. I felt that this offender's associates, two others who were
> innocent by all accounts, would be unfairly excluded too. A compromise
> was worked out for the associates and they are most welcome to
> participate.
>
> As an Ohio LinuxFest board member, we have zero blacklisted
> individuals from our events due to prior event misconduct. However, we
> do honor requests when an attendee has a restraining order or similar
> protections, to keep an eye out for the harasser's registration and
> deny entry.
>
> The power to ban someone from your project and its events, in my
> opinion, in rightfully given to the Fedora Board. It is not a matter
> to be taken lightly or with haste. The power to eject the offender
> from the event rightfully is with the event organizers to handle the
> immediate situation.
>
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Amit Shah <amitshah(a)gmx.net> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > While organising the recent FUDCon in Pune we included a code of conduct, similar to the previous Flocks and other conferences worldwide.
> >
> > I was wondering if we have any mechanisms in place where we can blacklist someone if indeed there was a violation.
> >
> > I'm thinking of a Fedora project specific blacklist as well as a shared blacklist for major conferences worldwide.
> >
> > The CoC would be pretty useless if there's no way to ban (from future gatherings) someone indulging in activities unwelcome to the project.
> >
> > Also, we should include what steps we would take as a project depending on the nature of the violation in the CoC text itself.
> >
> > If we already have such a mechanism in place, please point me to it. If not, would there be interest in setting up a service at least for Fedora events?
> >
> > Amit
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> Beth Lynn Eicher
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On 15 July 2015 7:05:35 pm IST, "Máirín Duffy" <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>
>
>On 07/15/2015 09:31 AM, Rex Dieter wrote:
>> On 07/15/2015 08:16 AM, Amit Shah wrote:
>>> While organising the recent FUDCon in Pune we included a code of
>>> conduct, similar to the previous Flocks and other conferences
>worldwide.
>>> I was wondering if we have any mechanisms in place...
>>
>> Code of Conduct enforcement is documented here,
>>
>https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Community_working_group/CoC_Enforcement
>>
>> where ultimately enforcement (and possible sanction) is the
>> responsibility of the fedora council (board).
>
>I think that's the general CoC - there is a separate one that applies
>to
>confernces I think, isn't there? There was one in last year's Flock
>brochure and Amit said there was one in the FUDCon Pune materials too.
Yes, at
http://fudcon.in/code-of-conduct.html
>Amit, where did the FUDCon Pune planners get the CoC text? Was it the
>standard Fedora CoC text or something different?
It was the standard, based on pointers we got from the fudcon-planning list.
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Hello all,
While organising the recent FUDCon in Pune we included a code of conduct, similar to the previous Flocks and other conferences worldwide.
I was wondering if we have any mechanisms in place where we can blacklist someone if indeed there was a violation.
I'm thinking of a Fedora project specific blacklist as well as a shared blacklist for major conferences worldwide.
The CoC would be pretty useless if there's no way to ban (from future gatherings) someone indulging in activities unwelcome to the project.
Also, we should include what steps we would take as a project depending on the nature of the violation in the CoC text itself.
If we already have such a mechanism in place, please point me to it. If not, would there be interest in setting up a service at least for Fedora events?
Amit
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