Hi.
I've prepared a KDE4 live image for i686 for testing purposes. Last weeks rawhide images didn't include the kde one because of a problem with intel video drivers. Kwin would automatically enable compositing support on such cards which seems to be broken atm. But we haven't a bug report for that, yet. So if someone would like to provide one, please test these images. radeon/nv users should not have these problems.
http://www.fedoraforum.de/iso/test/rawhide-KDE4-i686-20071220/rawhide-KDE4-i... http://www.fedoraforum.de/iso/test/rawhide-KDE4-i686-20071220/rawhide-KDE4-i...
These images are based on rawhide from 2007-12-20 and also include Jeremy's modifications to the kickstarts (like on the normal rawhide image).
I'm not sure if installation would work. With my limited test capabilities over christmas I cannot test these properly. In my tests on one machine I've got problems with the partitioning. If this also happens to you, please bug it.
Merry christmas,
Sebastian
Sebastian Vahl <ml <at> deadbabylon.de> writes:
I've prepared a KDE4 live image for i686 for testing purposes.
Unfortunately, I can't get that image to do anything but crash. :-(
I first tried it on my old laptop. First I got no X at all, due to the s3virge driver not being ported yet. Forcing xdriver=vesa got me further, however KDE only gets as far as displaying the desktop background and panel, then X crashes. (The panel can't actually be used before it crashes.) Moreover, before crashing, KDE only actually uses the left ~2/3 of the screen (the vertical space is fully used) and there's vertical interference lines.
Next, I tried it in QEMU (painfully slow even with kqemu enabled). I get the same crash at the same place and the same graphical glitch. IIRC, the vesa driver is also used in QEMU. I wonder if it's the vesa driver being broken in Rawhide or if it's KDE 4 not liking it for some reason.
SELinux isn't the problem, as I also tried selinux=0.
I haven't tried to run it directly on my P4 yet.
Kevin Kofler
On Tue December 25 2007, Sebastian Vahl wrote:
I'm not sure if installation would work. With my limited test capabilities over christmas I cannot test these properly. In my tests on one machine I've got problems with the partitioning. If this also happens to you, please bug it.
LiveCD worked great on an ASUS G2S-B2 gaming laptop, which I bought to do video editing on. It's pretty close to cutting edge. I've had little to no success on making any distro work on it all weekend, though with some tinkering, I was able to get F8 to install and come up with the VESA driver.
Your rawhide snapshot was a breath of fresh air after a lot of failed testing this weekend, and booted right into the desktop. Installation failed during the partitioning phase, however. Worse, I couldn't get into the bugzilla site even though I had net access and pages like CNN.com were loading fine. I did put in https://bugzilla.redhat.com
So, I couldn't file a bugzilla with the rather extensive log report I got when the install failed.
On Dec 25, 2007 8:47 AM, Sebastian Vahl ml@deadbabylon.de wrote:
Hi.
I've prepared a KDE4 live image for i686 for testing purposes. Last weeks rawhide images didn't include the kde one because of a problem with intel video drivers. Kwin would automatically enable compositing support on such cards which seems to be broken atm. But we haven't a bug report for that, yet. So if someone would like to provide one, please test these images. radeon/nv users should not have these problems.
http://www.fedoraforum.de/iso/test/rawhide-KDE4-i686-20071220/rawhide-KDE4-i... http://www.fedoraforum.de/iso/test/rawhide-KDE4-i686-20071220/rawhide-KDE4-i...
These images are based on rawhide from 2007-12-20 and also include Jeremy's modifications to the kickstarts (like on the normal rawhide image).
I'm not sure if installation would work. With my limited test capabilities over christmas I cannot test these properly. In my tests on one machine I've got problems with the partitioning. If this also happens to you, please bug it.
Merry christmas,
Sebastian
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Tried this on a three hosts, and i have problems galore.
Homebrew host 1: Adding news ticker to the taskbar then klicking on the pager resulted in the news ticker story being displayed The Lock/Logout applet corrupts the display, although the "The session was locked" dialog is OK, and the desktop is restored correctly.
Homebrew host 2: Second monitor of a dual display has a corrupted text display during both RHGB and KDE session On login, I get a window with "The audio playback device ALi M5455 with ALC850 (ALi M5455) does not work. Failing back to Esound (ESD)."
On a Dell Inspiron 1420 (Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)): RHGB display is corrupted, although the KDE desktop is OK Konqueror can't display any web pages (either by hostname or IP address) with the somewhat unhelpful "An error occurred while loading http://". telnet confirms its not a network issue. The News Ticker applet doesn't display any results either, so it looks like a KDE HTTP problem? Using the slideshow for desktop backgrounds occasionally results in parts of the background being corrupted, most often the top 50 or so lines.
Common problems: nm-applet crashes when clicking on any entry in the menu (X Window System error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)) Adding applets to the RHS of the taskbar where the system tray is resizes the taskbar (down from 100%) and leaves a white block to the left of the taskbar. The license type drop down in Konqueror start up page only displays each option when the mouse is down over that option or is already selected (i.e. you can't see unselected options without clicking on them) The Lock/Logout applet only lets me lock the desktop. When logging into KDE, the usual "Starting desktop" etc messages on the splash screen are not present One of the "Useful Tips" in KTip states that pressing the middle mouse button on the desktop will give a list of all windows on each desktop, but it doesn't work. Some other tips don't work, so maybe KTip is not KDE4? Typing "konsole" in the Search part of the K Menu tries to run konsolekalendar rather than konsole. It looks like I have to type "terminal". i.e. knowing how to launch it from the command line won't help me here. The CD's "Boot from local drive" option reboots (after a prompt) then boots from the CD again.
Andrew Parker wrote:
Common problems: nm-applet crashes when clicking on any entry in the menu (X Window System error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes))
Yeah, that's a killer, atm. gtk2-based applets crash (lacking argb support). This is more a gtk2/x11 bug, which is currently being looked at.
-- Rex
On Dec 26, 2007 7:33 AM, Andrew Parker andrewparker@bigfoot.com wrote:
On Dec 25, 2007 8:47 AM, Sebastian Vahl ml@deadbabylon.de wrote:
Hi.
I've prepared a KDE4 live image for i686 for testing purposes. Last weeks rawhide images didn't include the kde one because of a problem with intel video drivers. Kwin would automatically enable compositing support on such cards which seems to be broken atm. But we haven't a bug report for that, yet. So if someone would like to provide one, please test these images. radeon/nv users should not have these problems.
http://www.fedoraforum.de/iso/test/rawhide-KDE4-i686-20071220/rawhide-KDE4-i... http://www.fedoraforum.de/iso/test/rawhide-KDE4-i686-20071220/rawhide-KDE4-i...
These images are based on rawhide from 2007-12-20 and also include Jeremy's modifications to the kickstarts (like on the normal rawhide image).
I'm not sure if installation would work. With my limited test capabilities over christmas I cannot test these properly. In my tests on one machine I've got problems with the partitioning. If this also happens to you, please bug it.
Merry christmas,
Sebastian
-- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list
Tried this on a three hosts, and i have problems galore.
Homebrew host 1: Adding news ticker to the taskbar then klicking on the pager resulted in the news ticker story being displayed The Lock/Logout applet corrupts the display, although the "The session was locked" dialog is OK, and the desktop is restored correctly.
Homebrew host 2: Second monitor of a dual display has a corrupted text display during both RHGB and KDE session On login, I get a window with "The audio playback device ALi M5455 with ALC850 (ALi M5455) does not work. Failing back to Esound (ESD)."
On a Dell Inspiron 1420 (Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)): RHGB display is corrupted, although the KDE desktop is OK Konqueror can't display any web pages (either by hostname or IP address) with the somewhat unhelpful "An error occurred while loading http://". telnet confirms its not a network issue. The News Ticker applet doesn't display any results either, so it looks like a KDE HTTP problem? Using the slideshow for desktop backgrounds occasionally results in parts of the background being corrupted, most often the top 50 or so lines.
Common problems: nm-applet crashes when clicking on any entry in the menu (X Window System error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)) Adding applets to the RHS of the taskbar where the system tray is resizes the taskbar (down from 100%) and leaves a white block to the left of the taskbar. The license type drop down in Konqueror start up page only displays each option when the mouse is down over that option or is already selected (i.e. you can't see unselected options without clicking on them) The Lock/Logout applet only lets me lock the desktop. When logging into KDE, the usual "Starting desktop" etc messages on the splash screen are not present One of the "Useful Tips" in KTip states that pressing the middle mouse button on the desktop will give a list of all windows on each desktop, but it doesn't work. Some other tips don't work, so maybe KTip is not KDE4? Typing "konsole" in the Search part of the K Menu tries to run konsolekalendar rather than konsole. It looks like I have to type "terminal". i.e. knowing how to launch it from the command line won't help me here. The CD's "Boot from local drive" option reboots (after a prompt) then boots from the CD again.
No joy with qemu either. It gets half way through starting KDE, then falls back to the login page.
Andrew Parker <andrewparker <at> bigfoot.com> writes:
Tried this on a three hosts, and i have problems galore.
Some of these problems are due to KDE 4, some are due to the major upgrade of X.Org X11. (When I say "X11 bug", it may also be a bug in the driver, or most likely a problem with the port of the driver to the new version of the X.Org X11 server.) And finally, some are issues in other components (GTK+ 2, livecd-tools).
Homebrew host 1: Adding news ticker to the taskbar then klicking on the pager resulted in the news ticker story being displayed
KDE 4 bug (either in Plasma itself or in its news ticker applet).
The Lock/Logout applet corrupts the display, although the "The session was locked" dialog is OK, and the desktop is restored correctly.
Maybe a KDE 4 bug, maybe an X11 bug.
Homebrew host 2: Second monitor of a dual display has a corrupted text display during both RHGB and KDE session
X11 bug.
On login, I get a window with "The audio playback device ALi M5455 with ALC850 (ALi M5455) does not work. Failing back to Esound (ESD)."
This is a problem with our default settings for Phonon in kde-settings. We really need to set up things so everything works with PulseAudio out of the box, like we did for KDE 3 in Fedora 8. But at least Phonon is smart enough to fall back to something working automatically. :-)
On a Dell Inspiron 1420 (Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)): RHGB display is corrupted, although the KDE desktop is OK
Probably also an X11 bug.
Konqueror can't display any web pages (either by hostname or IP address) with the somewhat unhelpful "An error occurred while loading http://". telnet confirms its not a network issue. The News Ticker applet doesn't display any results either, so it looks like a KDE HTTP problem?
Yes, I think so too, looks like a KDE 4 KIO bug.
Using the slideshow for desktop backgrounds occasionally results in parts of the background being corrupted, most often the top 50 or so lines.
This may be a KDE 4 bug or an X11 bug. I'm inclined to blame X11 (or its drivers) there, but I may be wrong.
Common problems: nm-applet crashes when clicking on any entry in the menu (X Window System error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes))
As Rex Dieter said, this is a GTK+ issue, we hope there will be a solution for this soon. (There is also some work being done upstream on getting KNetworkManager to finally work with NetworkManager 0.7, so hopefully nm-applet will not be necessary for KDE users in the Fedora 9 release at all, we'll have at least a kdelibs3-based solution if not a KDE 4 one. But we still want to get the GTK+ applet issue fixed either way!)
Adding applets to the RHS of the taskbar where the system tray is resizes the taskbar (down from 100%) and leaves a white block to the left of the taskbar.
KDE 4 bug (more precisely, a Plasma bug).
The license type drop down in Konqueror start up page only displays each option when the mouse is down over that option or is already selected (i.e. you can't see unselected options without clicking on them)
KDE 4 bug (in Konqueror or one of the libraries it uses).
The Lock/Logout applet only lets me lock the desktop.
Are you starting KDE from KDM? GDM? Something else? It sounds like a KDE 4 bug in any case.
When logging into KDE, the usual "Starting desktop" etc messages on the splash screen are not present
KDE 4 bug (in KSplash).
One of the "Useful Tips" in KTip states that pressing the middle mouse button on the desktop will give a list of all windows on each desktop, but it doesn't work. Some other tips don't work, so maybe KTip is not KDE4?
KTip has suffered from bitrotting, upstream tried removing tips which are irrelevant in KDE 4 (they aren't writing new ones due to the string freeze), but maybe this one was missed.
Typing "konsole" in the Search part of the K Menu tries to run konsolekalendar rather than konsole. It looks like I have to type "terminal". i.e. knowing how to launch it from the command line won't help me here.
Well, "konsole" is supposed to find Konsole too, the reason it finds "konsolekalendar" first is probably that it tries matching GenericName first for the apps which have one. I think there's a way to get the full list (at least the screenshots have shown such lists), not run the first match directly, Konsole should be in that list.
For those who hate Kickoff, the 4.0 release (and the next snapshot, if there will be any before the release) will have a simple menu like in KDE 3 as an option in any case. (Wacky idea: Maybe the simple menu should be the default? We'll have to discuss the defaults for kde-settings in our meetings. I'll bring the menu issue up.)
The CD's "Boot from local drive" option reboots (after a prompt) then boots from the CD again.
That's a problem with the Fedora live CD software itself (either livecd-tools or one of the tools it uses, like isolinux).
Unfortunately, none of these remarks are actual solutions for the problems you're encountering, however identifying the component to blame is usually the first step to getting issues fixed. ;-)
Kevin Kofler
On Dec 28, 2007 6:41 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kofler@chello.at wrote:
Andrew Parker <andrewparker <at> bigfoot.com> writes:
Tried this on a three hosts, and i have problems galore.
Some of these problems are due to KDE 4, some are due to the major upgrade of X.Org X11. (When I say "X11 bug", it may also be a bug in the driver, or most likely a problem with the port of the driver to the new version of the X.Org X11 server.) And finally, some are issues in other components (GTK+ 2, livecd-tools).
Homebrew host 1: Adding news ticker to the taskbar then klicking on the pager resulted in the news ticker story being displayed
KDE 4 bug (either in Plasma itself or in its news ticker applet).
The Lock/Logout applet corrupts the display, although the "The session was locked" dialog is OK, and the desktop is restored correctly.
Maybe a KDE 4 bug, maybe an X11 bug.
Homebrew host 2: Second monitor of a dual display has a corrupted text display during both RHGB and KDE session
X11 bug.
On login, I get a window with "The audio playback device ALi M5455 with ALC850 (ALi M5455) does not work. Failing back to Esound (ESD)."
This is a problem with our default settings for Phonon in kde-settings. We really need to set up things so everything works with PulseAudio out of the box, like we did for KDE 3 in Fedora 8. But at least Phonon is smart enough to fall back to something working automatically. :-)
On a Dell Inspiron 1420 (Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)): RHGB display is corrupted, although the KDE desktop is OK
Probably also an X11 bug.
Konqueror can't display any web pages (either by hostname or IP address) with the somewhat unhelpful "An error occurred while loading http://". telnet confirms its not a network issue. The News Ticker applet doesn't display any results either, so it looks like a KDE HTTP problem?
Yes, I think so too, looks like a KDE 4 KIO bug.
Using the slideshow for desktop backgrounds occasionally results in parts of the background being corrupted, most often the top 50 or so lines.
This may be a KDE 4 bug or an X11 bug. I'm inclined to blame X11 (or its drivers) there, but I may be wrong.
Common problems: nm-applet crashes when clicking on any entry in the menu (X Window System error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes))
As Rex Dieter said, this is a GTK+ issue, we hope there will be a solution for this soon. (There is also some work being done upstream on getting KNetworkManager to finally work with NetworkManager 0.7, so hopefully nm-applet will not be necessary for KDE users in the Fedora 9 release at all, we'll have at least a kdelibs3-based solution if not a KDE 4 one. But we still want to get the GTK+ applet issue fixed either way!)
Adding applets to the RHS of the taskbar where the system tray is resizes the taskbar (down from 100%) and leaves a white block to the left of the taskbar.
KDE 4 bug (more precisely, a Plasma bug).
I've seen this reported by others recently too, although not on this list.
The license type drop down in Konqueror start up page only displays each option when the mouse is down over that option or is already selected (i.e. you can't see unselected options without clicking on them)
KDE 4 bug (in Konqueror or one of the libraries it uses).
The Lock/Logout applet only lets me lock the desktop.
Are you starting KDE from KDM? GDM? Something else? It sounds like a KDE 4 bug in any case.
I think know what you're getting at here, but I don't think that's the problem. i.e. you can't shutdown unless you started with KDM? In this case, the lock/logout applet is a single icon, where as in KDE 3 it (appears to be?) two icons aligned vertically. For KDE 3 you click the appropriate one for lock or logout, with this there's only one to click and it always locks. There's no menu to ask if you want to lock/logout (or shutdown as there would have been in KDE if started with KDM).
I'm assuming its KDM as /etc/sysconfig/desktop is DESKTOP="KDE" DISPLAYMANAGER="KDM"
Note that this is the lock/logout applet, not the "Leave" page on the menu - although having just revisited this the icons on that don't do anything either.
When logging into KDE, the usual "Starting desktop" etc messages on the splash screen are not present
KDE 4 bug (in KSplash).
One of the "Useful Tips" in KTip states that pressing the middle mouse button on the desktop will give a list of all windows on each desktop, but it doesn't work. Some other tips don't work, so maybe KTip is not KDE4?
KTip has suffered from bitrotting, upstream tried removing tips which are irrelevant in KDE 4 (they aren't writing new ones due to the string freeze), but maybe this one was missed.
Typing "konsole" in the Search part of the K Menu tries to run konsolekalendar rather than konsole. It looks like I have to type "terminal". i.e. knowing how to launch it from the command line won't help me here.
Well, "konsole" is supposed to find Konsole too, the reason it finds "konsolekalendar" first is probably that it tries matching GenericName first for the apps which have one. I think there's a way to get the full list (at least the screenshots have shown such lists), not run the first match directly, Konsole should be in that list.
"konsolekalendar" < "konsole application"
Actually, its worse than I previously mentioned. Once you become accustomed to the idea that's it "terminal program" rather than "konsole" you start typing "terminal" in. However, that brings up an xterm. At this point I get all nostaglic for some motif applications, but that nauseating feeling in my stomach quickly brings me back to this century. It seems that I have to remember "terminal p"[rogram] to get what i want.
For those who hate Kickoff, the 4.0 release (and the next snapshot, if there will be any before the release) will have a simple menu like in KDE 3 as an option in any case. (Wacky idea: Maybe the simple menu should be the default? We'll have to discuss the defaults for kde-settings in our meetings. I'll bring the menu issue up.)
Please do. Currently not a fan of this menu, but I'll admit I can be a bit of a ludite with these things, and they can take a while to grow on me.
The CD's "Boot from local drive" option reboots (after a prompt) then boots from the CD again.
That's a problem with the Fedora live CD software itself (either livecd-tools or one of the tools it uses, like isolinux).
Unfortunately, none of these remarks are actual solutions for the problems you're encountering, however identifying the component to blame is usually the first step to getting issues fixed. ;-)
What is the expectation at this point? Given that the first complete release is imminent, it seems to be in a remarkably bad shape. In fact, it took far longer to document the problems than to stumble across them. Now, I love KDE as much as the next person (actually, given that this is a Fedora mailing list , I probably love it more) but to me its nowhere near ready for prime time, and I can't imagine that changing before F9. I hope and pray that I'm wrong, but I've downloaded a few beta & pre-betas and... well... I'm disappointed. Don't get me wrong, it has promise, buckets of the stuff, but IMO unless there are some significant improvements in stability and usability then including in F9 will be a mistake. Or will KDE 3 be included, and KDE 4 as a preview?
Do we want bugzillas on any of the above? I'm happy to play my part, and prod & poke some more if it'll help.
Andrew Parker wrote:
On Dec 28, 2007 6:41 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kofler@chello.at wrote:
Unfortunately, none of these remarks are actual solutions for the problems you're encountering, however identifying the component to blame is usually the first step to getting issues fixed. ;-)
What is the expectation at this point? Given that the first complete release is imminent, it seems to be in a remarkably bad shape.
It's a good thing we've got a few months to solidify things in time for f9... :)
-- Rex
I tested the live CD on my primary computer (Pentium 4, Radeon 9200SE). What I noticed:
* Yes, nm-applet is screwed up, we know why (GTK+ system tray applets not liking Plasma), we need a solution ASAP. I wonder if knetworkmanager-0.7 is good enough for Rawhide now. (But we need the GTK+ issue fixed, too.)
* The problem with the "lock/logout" applet is a display issue: there's a button for locking and one for opening the logout menu, but only part of the locking button is displayed and the logout menu button is missing entirely. I got it to appear by doing a rotate/resize maneuver, then clicking on the lock button and unlocking the display.
* The panel also reacts very strangely to attempts to drop something on it, hopefully this is getting fixed for the 4.0 release.
* kdesu doesn't work, at least on the live CD, it just waits forever for something, no password prompt dialog box ever pops up, nor is the application actually started.
Kevin Kofler
Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler <at> chello.at> writes:
I tested the live CD on my primary computer (Pentium 4, Radeon 9200SE). What
Some more testing:
* I tried out the KWin desktop effects: - the good news: The effects work nicely on this hardware (r200_dri). - the bad news: Some effect changes crash KWin (SIGSEGV). Once it restarts automatically, the changed effects are applied just fine, but it shouldn't segfault in the first place. A change as simple as disabling desktop effects crashes it (whereas enabling them doesn't). Changes in the widget style effects crashed it too, so I wonder if it's the "updating system configuration" stuff which crashes it.
* For some reason, the restart and logout options in the menu didn't work. (They just did nothing. No clue as to what the actual problem was.) I had to Ctrl+Alt+Bksp and then use the restart option in KDM to be able to reboot into my regular Fedora 8 installation.
Kevin Kofler
Kevin Kofler wrote:
Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler <at> chello.at> writes:
I tested the live CD on my primary computer (Pentium 4, Radeon 9200SE). What
Some more testing:
- I tried out the KWin desktop effects:
- the good news: The effects work nicely on this hardware (r200_dri).
- the bad news: Some effect changes crash KWin (SIGSEGV). Once it restarts
automatically, the changed effects are applied just fine, but it shouldn't segfault in the first place. A change as simple as disabling desktop effects crashes it (whereas enabling them doesn't). Changes in the widget style effects crashed it too, so I wonder if it's the "updating system configuration" stuff which crashes it.
- For some reason, the restart and logout options in the menu didn't work.
(They just did nothing. No clue as to what the actual problem was.) I had to Ctrl+Alt+Bksp and then use the restart option in KDM to be able to reboot into my regular Fedora 8 installation.
Kevin Kofler
I attempted to do the install to hard disk and failed. I was trying to install it on a USB attached drive and got the following error each time I tried:
"An error occurred trying to format sdb1. This is a serious problem, and install cannot continue."
The drive was previously partitioned using gparted and sdb1 is a 100MB partition. I noticed that as the error was being reported that a "recently plugged devices" window popped up, so I assume that the USB connection is getting lost when attempting to format it via anaconda.
KDE 4 is pretty cool and works well on a dell inspiron 9400 with intel wireless, dell bluetooth and ati mobility x1400. Both wireless and wired networks connections work perfectly, correct 1920x1200 resolution.
Emmett
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