"Jerry Amundson" jamundso@gmail.com wrote:
The alternate VT, kill, restart, is more work for me. The X -config, change zap setting, is more work for me.
VT, kill, restart is a lot less work for you than it would be more somebody accidentally typing C-A-Bs.
Having C-A-Bs have the catastrophic effect of killing the X server is too dangerous to do without confirmation. And since you need it when the server is hosed and confirmation may not be possible, it just seems a bad idea.
The downside of C-A-Bs accidentally typed hurts users who may not know what happened, and thus may give X a had name. The downside of C-A-Bs no longer killing the server is a slightly more complicated sequence for people who presumably know what they're doing.
--Per Bothner per@bothner.com http://per.bothner.com/
Per Bothner wrote:
"Jerry Amundson" jamundso@gmail.com wrote:
The downside of C-A-Bs accidentally typed hurts users who may not know what happened, and thus may give X a had name.
Are you serious?
It's not hat "C-A-Bs" is around since yesterday. It had many years of giving X a bad name.
Except that every couple of years, a groups of vocal folks (presumably newcomers) complains about it when accidentally hitting it, nothing actually serious has happened.
Ralf
--Per Bothner per@bothner.com http://per.bothner.com/
----- "Ralf Corsepius" rc040203@freenet.de wrote:
Per Bothner wrote:
"Jerry Amundson" jamundso@gmail.com wrote:
The downside of C-A-Bs accidentally typed hurts users who may not know what happened, and thus may give X a had name.
Are you serious?
Yes. I'm not saying accidentally typing C-A-Bs is a significant factor in giving X a bad name - just that the cost-benefit tradeoff to me suggests the traditional behavior isn't really a good idea.
Except that every couple of years, a groups of vocal folks (presumably newcomers) complains about it when accidentally hitting it, nothing actually serious has happened.
I'm not complaining for myself - but in this case I'd weigh higher the concerns of newcomers than somebody somebody who thinks they need a one-key-combination shortcut for killing X. I can't take seriously the complaint that switching to a virtual terminal to kill X is too much work - if that is the case, your workload is highly atypical ...
(Lest you think I'm a newcomer: 20 years ago my day job at Digital Equipment Corporation was optimizing an X server driver.)
Per Bothner wrote:
"Jerry Amundson" jamundso@gmail.com wrote:
The alternate VT, kill, restart, is more work for me. The X -config, change zap setting, is more work for me.
VT, kill, restart is a lot less work for you than it would be more somebody accidentally typing C-A-Bs.
For me, that's two hands to get into the wrong place.
Having C-A-Bs have the catastrophic effect of killing the X server is too dangerous to do without confirmation. And since you need it when the server is hosed and confirmation may not be possible, it just seems a bad idea.
_What_ do you smoke?
"John Summerfield" debian@herakles.homelinux.org wrote:
Per Bothner wrote:
Having C-A-Bs have the catastrophic effect of killing the X server is too dangerous to do without confirmation. And since you need it when the server is hosed and confirmation may not be possible, it just seems a bad idea.
_What_ do you smoke?
Thank you, I really appreciate the rational discussion here.
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Per Bothner per@bothner.com wrote:
"John Summerfield" debian@herakles.homelinux.org wrote:
Per Bothner wrote:
Having C-A-Bs have the catastrophic effect of killing the X server is too dangerous to do without confirmation. And since you need it when the server is hosed and confirmation may not be possible, it just seems a bad idea.
_What_ do you smoke?
Thank you, I really appreciate the rational discussion here.
I gave you the rational discussion. You followed some other road.
jerry
On Wednesday 11 February 2009 15:22:11 Jerry Amundson wrote:
What do you smoke?
Thank you, I really appreciate the rational discussion here.
I gave you the rational discussion. You followed some other road.
Small boys squabbling tend to get their heads knocked together :-)
Anne
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