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[Fwd: bugzilla.redhat.com Web UI, Database, XMLRPC Planned Outage | August 2nd, 2008 - 9:00 AM EST - 7:00 PM EST]
by John Poelstra 31 Jul '08

31 Jul '08

Reminder: This Weekend -------- Original Message -------- Subject: bugzilla.redhat.com Web UI, Database, XMLRPC Planned Outage | August 2nd, 2008 - 9:00 AM EST - 7:00 PM EST Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:05:42 -0400 From: Dave Lawrence <dkl(a)redhat.com> O U T A G E R E Q U E S T F O R M ===================================== Severity: Severity Two (High) Scheduled Date: August 2nd, 2008 Scheduled Time: 9:00 AM EST - 7:00 PM EST Estimated Time Required: 10 hours Performed By: Red Hat Engineering Operations People/Groups Impacted: Users of bugzilla.redhat.com and any services that rely on bugzilla.redhat.com Site/Services Affected: bugzilla.redhat.com Web UI, Database, XMLRPC Impact: bugzilla.redhat.com will be unavailable during the posted time on August 2nd, 2008. Description: On August 2nd, bugzilla.redhat.com will go down for an update to the latest upstream code base. During this time the web servers will be reinstalled with the latest OS updates as well as the latest Bugzilla code. Also the database servers will undergo a data migration to be made compatible with the latest Bugzilla code. The web UI, database, and all XMLRPC services will be unavailable during the migration. Services that rely on bugzilla.redhat.com may not function properly during this time so please let your users know about the outage as well. Also please take time to point your services/scripts at our test server https://partner-bugzilla.redhat.com to make sure that they will still work with the new system once it goes live. Care has been taken to make the new system backwards compatible as much as possible with the old XMLRPC API but still confirm that they work properly. If you encounter any problems, please contact bugzilla-owner redhat com or file a bug at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Bugzilla&version=3.2 Signoff: kbaker redhat com

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The results are in for the Fedroa 10 naming
by Josh Boyer 28 Jul '08

28 Jul '08

Drum roll... And the winner of the Fedora 10 codename is: Cambridge The full GPG-signed information from our election coordinator, Nigel Jones, including vote totals, is located here: http://jwboyer.fedorapeople.org/fedora10relname.txt.asc Many thanks to the Board, Paul Frields, and Nigel Jones for their effort in getting the name candidates and vote set up. josh

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Fedora Weekly News Issue 136
by Pascal Calarco 28 Jul '08

28 Jul '08

=== Fedora Weekly News Issue 136 Welcome to Fedora Weekly News Issue 136 for the week ending July 26, 2008. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue136 Fedora Weekly News keep you updated with the latest issues, events and activities in the fedora community. If you are interested in contributing to Fedora Weekly News, please see our 'join' page. Being a Fedora Weekly News beat writer gives you a chance to work on one of our community's most important sources of news, and can be done in only about 1 hour per week of your time. We are still looking for a beat writer to summarize the Fedora Events and Meetings that happened during each week. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject/Join * 1 Fedora Weekly News Issue 136 o 1.1 Announcements + 1.1.1 FESCo Election Results + 1.1.2 Cast your vote for the Fedora 10 Codename! + 1.1.3 Fedora 10 Alpha Freeze + 1.1.4 Announcing the Fedora OLPC Special Interest Group + 1.1.5 Fedora Unity releases updated Fedora 9 Re-Spin + 1.1.6 Feature Process Improvements + 1.1.7 FUEL opens up collaborative standardization of localization terms o 1.2 Planet Fedora + 1.2.1 Shameless Recruiting Pitch + 1.2.2 Intel's Moblin moves to Fedora + 1.2.3 Events + 1.2.4 Tech Tidbits + 1.2.5 Other Interesting Posts o 1.3 Marketing + 1.3.1 Linus Torvalds' personal Linux distro? Fedora 9, of course + 1.3.2 Asus Eee PC Fedora Respin + 1.3.3 Zimbra changes license to address Fedora concerns + 1.3.4 Seneca College teams with FOSS projects for hands-on learning + 1.3.5 Intel's Moblin switches from Ubuntu in favor of Fedora + 1.3.6 Fedora launches OLPC group + 1.3.7 Ring. Ring. It's Fedora calling + 1.3.8 Linux Symposium Proceedings Available + 1.3.9 Video: Fedora Live o 1.4 Ambassadors + 1.4.1 FAD EMEA 2008 - Date & Location Determined + 1.4.2 Planning for Fedora 10 Release Parties + 1.4.3 Event Reports Reminder o 1.5 Developments + 1.5.1 Erratum: FWN#133 "Shark" is a JIT not a VM + 1.5.3 XULRunner Security Update Breakage Stimulates Bodhi Discussion + 1.5.4 Broken Upgrade Paths Due to NEVR + 1.5.5 Application Installer "Amber" Provides Browser Interface to Packages + 1.5.6 RPM Inspires Intel Moblin2 Shift From Ubuntu o 1.6 Artwork + 1.6.1 Nodoka development + 1.6.2 Gathering feed-back about Fedora 10 theme proposals + 1.6.3 A possible Bluecurve revival o 1.7 Security Advisories + 1.7.1 Fedora 9 Security Advisories + 1.7.2 Fedora 8 Security Advisories === Announcements In this section, we cover announcements from the Fedora Project. https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-announce Contributing Writer: Max Spevack === FESCo Election Results Brian Pepple announced the results of the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee election[1]: "The results of the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee (FESCo) election are in: Bill Nottingham, Kevin Fenzi, Dennis Gilmore, Brian Pepple, and David Woodhouse have been elected to full two-release terms, and Jarod Wilson, Josh Boyer, Jon Stanley and Karsten Hopp have been elected to a one-release term." [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-July/msg00010.html === Cast your vote for the Fedora 10 Codename! Josh Boyer reminded folks to vote[1]: "As long as you have signed the CLA and belong to one additional group in the Fedora Account System, you can cast your vote. Voting will end and be tallied at 23:59:59 28 July 2008 UTC." [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-July/msg00011.html === Fedora 10 Alpha Freeze Jesse Keating announced[1]: "We have our first development freeze of the Fedora 10 cycle tomorrow. This is the alpha freeze, which is non-blocking. Release Engineering will be making a freeze inside the buildsystem of tomorrow's rawhide content. This will be the basis of the Fedora 10 Alpha release." [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/2008-July/msg00008.ht… === Announcing the Fedora OLPC Special Interest Group Greg DeKoenigsberg announced[1]: "Thus, I am proud to announce the formation of the Fedora OLPC Special Interest Group. Our mission: to provide the OLPC project with a strong, sustainable, scalable, community-driven base platform for innovation. Immediate Goals: 1. To identify and take responsible ownership of as many OLPC base packages as possible. 2. To maintain an excellent Sugar environment for Fedora, including a dedicated Sugar spin. 3. To identify useful opportunities for collaboration (infrastructure, localization, etc.)" [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-July/msg00009.html === Fedora Unity releases updated Fedora 9 Re-Spin Jeroen van Meeuwen informed us[1]: "The Fedora Unity Project is proud to announce the release of new ISO Re-Spins (DVD) of Fedora 9. These Re-Spin ISOs are based on the officially released Fedora 9 installation media and include all updates released as of July 18th, 2008. The ISO images are available for i386 and x86_64 architectures via Jigdo starting Sunday, July 20th, 2008." [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-July/msg00007.html === Feature Process Improvements John Poelstra had some excellent news on the feature front[1]: "I was recently talking with Paul Frields about how to make the feature process more accessible... this combined with feedback in the rpm thread have led to a (hopefully) clearer presentation of how the feature process works." [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/2008-July/msg00009.html === FUEL opens up collaborative standardization of localization terms FUEL (Frequently Used Entries for Localization) aims at solving the problem of inconsistency and lack of standardization in computer software translation across the platform for all Languages. It will try to provide a standardized and consistent look of computer for a language computer users. https://fedorahosted.org/fuel === Planet Fedora In this section, we cover the highlights of Planet Fedora - an aggregation of blogs from Fedora contributors worldwide. http://planet.fedoraproject.org Contributing Writer: Max Spevack === Shameless Recruiting Pitch We begin this week's summary of Planet Fedora with a recruitment pitch for Fedora Weekly News beat writers, scribed by Karsten Wade. === Intel's Moblin moves to Fedora The topic that took Planet Fedora by storm on Friday and Saturday was the announcement of Intel's Moblin moving from Ubuntu to Fedora as its base OS. Yaakov Nemoy, John Palmieri, Seth Vidal, and Karsten Wade all weighed in with their thoughts. === Events A number of event reports were posted on Planet Fedora this week. * LUG Radio Live UK, attended by Max Spevack. * Ottawa Linux Symposium (day 1), as reported by Dennis Gilmore. * LTSP Hackfest (day 1), which included hackers from numerous Linux distros, and Fedora's own Warren Togami. * A GUADEC trip report (including pictures) from Dimitris Glezos. * A second place finish in the 2008 RoboCup World Championships, with a report from Tim Niemueller. In other event news: * Sandro "red" Mathys has posted details about the upcoming Fedora Ambassador Day EMEA. * James Morris shared his Ottawa Linux Symposium paper with us, which is a detailed update on SELinux. === Tech Tidbits Transifex 0.3 has been released. "Transifex 0.3 is a major release, including a lot of under-the-hood changes. We’ve added full i18n support, and now in addition to the templates, per-module information stored in the database, such as names and descriptions, can be translated as well," explains project lead Dimitris Glezos. Lorenzo Villani is working on adding the ZYpp stack into Fedora. He explains, "It seems that with the latest releases of sat-solver, libzypp and zypper, the whole stack has become more stable on Fedora, especially, in the past few weeks I wasn’t able to update packages due to various resolver’s problems, but now it seems that 'zypper up' does its job smoothly." Fedora Electronics Lab now has its own mailing list, and there has been lots of discussion about this particular respin on Planet Fedora over the past few days. Red Hat Magazine has a great article about NetworkManager, written by Kyle Gonzales. === Other Interesting Posts Nicu Buculei gave us a detailed look at the first round of themes that have been developed by the Art Team for Fedora 10. David Nalley authored what might be the first in a four part series about Fedora's new "Freedom, Friends, Features, First" marketing focus. This post focuses on the Freedom topic. === Marketing In this section, we cover the Fedora Marketing Project. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing Contributing Writer: Pascal Calarco === Linus Torvalds' personal Linux distro? Fedora 9, of course Larry Cafiero reported[1] that the creator of Linux, Linus Torvalds, currently uses Fedora 9 "on most of his computers" as reported in a recent interview[2]. "I've used different distributions over the years ... Fedora had fairly good support for PowerPC back when I used that, so I grew used to it. But I actually don't care too much about the distribution, as long as it makes it easy to install and keep reasonably up-to-date," Torvalds added. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-July/msg00150.ht… [2] http://www.simple-talk.com/opinion/geek-of-the-week/linus-torvalds,-geek-of… === Asus Eee PC Fedora Respin Valent Turkovic asked[1] if there was interest in working on a Fedora spin for the Eee PC. Clint Savage reported[2] that his kickstart for the Eee is working almost perfectly, and Mathieu Bridon pointed[3] to the [EeePc wiki page] for this activity. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-July/msg00156.ht… [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-July/msg00164.ht… [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-July/msg00160.ht… === Zimbra changes license to address Fedora concerns Rahul Sundaram reported[1] that Yahoo has responded[2] to the suggestion that the license language for Zimbra be modified to allow it to be consonant with the Fedora project, which now paves the way for Zimbra to be made available in Fedora. "Our colleagues in the Fedora community were concerned that the old version of 6.2 did not give licensees enough certainty that they could keep exercising their license, even if they followed its requirements. We thought this change was a reasonable request, and we were very pleased that we were able to respond to the Fedora community in the way they asked. Many thanks to our Fedora friends for their input," the Yahoo spokesman explained. Jeroen Van Meeuwen added[3] that efforts are already underway to package Zimbra for Fedora. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-July/msg00147.ht… [2] http://www.zimbra.com/forums/announcements/19581-license-5-0-7-foss.html [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-July/msg00172.ht… === Seneca College teams with FOSS projects for hands-on learning Rahul Sundaram shared[1] a feature[2] from Linux.com detailing the growth of the free and open source software program at Seneca College in Toronto, Canada. Beginning this fall, thanks to Fedora, it will add the graduate-level Linux/Unix System Administration program. The article continues with Greg DeKoenigsberg, Fedora's liaison with Seneca, saying, "There's a lot of knowledge that's just not taught that you need [in order] to participate in an open source project. There's a difference in how open source is approached [compared to] traditional software, and it's not like you can learn it in a book. It's very much an apprenticeship model." [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-July/msg00176.ht… [2] http://www.linux.com/feature/140097 === Intel's Moblin switches from Ubuntu in favor of Fedora Rahul Sundaram shared[1] news reported in the UK's Register that Intel has shifted from use of Ubuntu to Fedora. "Under the changes, the existing Ubuntu-based kernel is out and Fedora is in, along with a set of Gnome-compatible mobile components that updates Moblin's previous Gnome implementation." Intel's director of Linux and open-source strategy explained that "there was no falling out with Ubuntu, but the move to Fedora was a technical decision based on the desire to adopt RPM for package management." Rahul followed up with more information on this development[3], reported later in heise open source[4]. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-July/msg00185.ht… [2] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/23/moblin_reworked/ [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-July/msg00205.ht… [4] http://www.heise-online.co.uk/open/Intel-switches-from-Ubuntu-to-Fedora-for… === Fedora launches OLPC group Rahul Sundaram forwarded[1] news[2] that the Fedora Project has started a Open Laptop per Child[3] Special Interest Group to help with the educational computing effort. Fedora will offer increased help with package maintenance for OLPC, "maintain an excellent Sugar environment for Fedora, including a dedicated Sugar spin; to identify opportunities for collaboration on things such as infrastructure and localisation." A discussion list has also been established[4] for this, and all are welcome to join these efforts. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-July/msg00186.ht… [2] http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=2647 [3] http://www.laptop.org/ [4] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list === Ring. Ring. It's Fedora calling Rahul Sundaram shared[1] a story in CNET News[2] this week about Fedora Talk[3], a VOIP project that "allows Fedora contributors to use any standard VoIP hardware or software to sign into the Fedora system and make and receive calls to other Fedora contributors." CNET added, "It's an intriguing way for the Fedora community to tighten the development process by bringing developers together. IM, mailing lists, and e-mail are great, but talking with someone is sometimes the best way to make things happen." [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-July/msg00207.ht… [2] http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-9998526-16.html [3] http://talk.fedoraproject.org/ === Linux Symposium Proceedings Available Rahul Sundaram posted[1] that the 2001-2008 proceedings of the Linux Symposium[3] were now freely-available[4], along with the GCC Summit Proceedings. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-July/msg00210.ht… [2] http://ols.fedoraproject.org [3] http://www.linuxsymposium.org/ [4] http://ols.fedoraproject.org/ === Video: Fedora Live Rahul Sundaram shared[1] a recent article in Red Hat Magazine[2] featuring the Fedora Project's Paul Frields talking with developer Jeremy Katz "to discuss the Live USB feature debuted in Fedora 9 ... See a live demo of the persistent desktop, and find out how to get more involved in the next Fedora release." [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-July/msg00188.ht… [2] http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/07/23/video-fedora-live/ === Ambassadors In this section, we cover Fedora Ambassadors Project. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors Contributing Writer: Jeffrey Tadlock === FAD EMEA 2008 - Date & Location Determined Sandro Mathys announced[1] that the data and location for FAD EMEA 2008 have been determined. It will take place in Basel, Switzerland from 2008-11-14 to 2008-11-16. Additional information is available on the FAD EMEA 2008 wiki page[2]. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-July/msg00304.… [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADEMEA2008 === Planning for Fedora 10 Release Parties Francesco Ugolini posted[1] to the ambassadors list a request for feedback for planning for Fedora 10 release parties. We had great success with out Fedora 9 release parties - be sure to get your suggestions in for planning Fedora 10 release parties in the future. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-July/msg00328.… === Event Reports Reminder Max Spevack posted[1] a reminder that event reports are required if you were the leader of an event. Event reports are also encouraged from attendees of events as well. The event reporting guidelines page[2] covers what should be included in an event report. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-July/msg00326.… [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ReportingGuidelines === Developments In this section the people, personalities and debates on the @fedora-devel mailing list are summarized. Contributing Writer: Oisin Feeley === Erratum: FWN#133 "Shark" is a JIT not a VM Gary Benson kindly corrected an error in FWN#133 "Java, So Many Free Choices"[1] which reported on the work being done by Red Hat engineers to expand the availability of a FOSS Java across more architectures. The gist of the correction is that Shark is not a Virtual Machine(VM) as stated in the article. Gary explained that OpenJDK is composed of a VM named HotSpot and a class library. HotSpot runs on a limited number of architectures and so there have been two independent attempts to increase VM coverage. One of these is pre-existing project named CACAO which is a VM whose maintainers are implementing the OpenJDK class interface. The other is a Red Hat initiative, named zero, to remove architecture-specific code from HotSpot in order to make compilation on diverse platforms easier. As zero is slow and in need of a JIT. This JIT could well end up being Shark. Thanks to Gary for taking the time to clarify this point. We encourage readers to correct important technical issues and misunderstandings and can be contacted via "news(a)fedoraproject.org". [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue133#Java.2C_So_Many_Free_Choices === New libraw1394 Rebuild Exposes Closed ACLs A simple warning made[1] by Jarod Wilson of a soname bump of libraw1394 (which among other things allows easy switching between juju and the older drivers) revealed that Fedora's KDE maintainers are not using open ACLs for their packages. The issue of whether open ACLs should be used to allow any interested community member (e.g. with a FAS account) to start making changes without bureaucracy has been visited several times on @fedora-devel and has been argued[1a] to be one of the exciting "post-merge" aspects of the FedoraProject. Objections have included those based on security (see FWN#112 "Open By Default: New FAS Groups Proposed"[1b]) and the logistics of co-ordinating such open access (see FWN#91 "Community Control And Documentation Of New Workflows"[1c]). At times it has appeared that those who were non-Red Hat employees and contributing to the pre-merge "Extras" repository were the strongest advocates for open ACLs. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01159.html [1a] http://lwn.net/Articles/237700/ [1b] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue112#Open_By_Default:_New_FAS_Groups_… [1c] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue91#Community_Control_And_Documentati… Jarod provided a short list of affected packages including kdebase and kdebase3 and wondered whether he should "do a fancy chainbuild[2], or just let rawhide be busted for a day?" Following advice received[3] offlist he decided that the procedure would be to first bump and tag each of the packages, and then from within the devel-branch of a dependent package issue a: [jwilson foo fedora-cvs/pkg11/devel]$ make chain-build CHAIN="libraw1394 pkg1 ... pkg10" [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/UsingKoji#Chained.builds [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01161.html This eventually worked[4], but first Jarod had to contact maintainers that disallowed commit access using open ACLs and get them to do the bump and tag in order to use the above method. [4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01316.html Early on in the chain of events Kevin Koffler noted[5] the necessity to do this for the KDE packages. "Drago01" wondered why there were closed ACLs to which Rex Dieter replied[6] that it was not necessary for non-core development platform bits and he would try to change the ACLs for them. Konrad Meyer defended[7] the choice on the basis that "KDE is a major system component and the KDE team (which is something like 6-8 people) does a very good job of fixing things as soon as they need fixing." Further probing for an actual reason by Rahul Sundaram resulted in Konrad stating[8] that it was necessary to prevent people from making mistakes and that the kernel package was handled similarly. Rahul was unconvinced by this and Jon Stanley agreed[9] it should be possible, as with GNOME, to use open ACLs to allow anyone to help. [5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01164.html [6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01192.html [7] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01181.html [8] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01223.html [9] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01225.html === XULRunner Security Update Breakage Stimulates Bodhi Discussion After Michael Schwendt published[1] a summary of broken dependencies for Fedora 9 it was noticed[2] by Martin Sourada that most of the problems were due to a recent update of xulrunner which now provides gecko-libs (see FWN#110[3].) Martin discovered that gxine, which was his particular responsibility, did not depend on a specific version of gecko-libs and thus removed the versioned dependencies. He suggested that a review by carried out of the other affected packages to determine whether this was also the case for them. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01175.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01177.html [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue110#Gecko-libs.Now.Provided.By.Xulru… Martin was further concerned that the policies for pushing security updates for a stable release be examined in the light of this particular case because it would fail to install due to all the broken dependencies. He suggested that it ought to be possible to use chain builds (the Koji buildsystem allows packages to be grouped into sets during the build process and to only report success if all the packages complete perfectly) to ensure that such breakage does not occur. He also wondered why the security update was not mentioned on the "-devel(-announce) list?" Nicolas Mailhot agreed[4] strongly wondering: "why the hell is this stuff not tested in -devel first? [...] When the update process is not streamlined in -devel, it's no surprise it bombs in -stable when security updates are due." The answers to these questions came from Adel Gadllah (drago01) who replied[5] that as it was a security fix it had to go to updates-stable immediately instead of following the normal procedure[6]. David Nielsen interjected[7] that this method did not deliver a quick security fix because those using, for example, epiphany failed to get the update because the dependencies had not been properly handled. Michael Schwendt also made[8] the same point: "Doesn't matter. It doesn't install at all if it breaks dependencies of *installed* packages. Not even *skip-broken helps in that case." Adel clarified[9] that he was explaining "why it was done, not that it was the right thing to do. As I already said, bodhi should block updates that break deps." [4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01182.html [5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01183.html [6] Generally bleeding-edge changes for the next version of Fedora are published in the "fedora-rawhide" repository, which is derived from a CVS branch named "-devel". The "fedora-updatestesting" repository contains bleeding edge changes for the current maintained release, the idea being that volunteers will test them and provide feedback before they are pushed to the "fedora-updates" repository for general consumption. [7] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01184.html [8] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01185.html [9] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01188.html === Broken Upgrade Paths Due to NEVR A report listing packages which failed to upgrade smoothly was emailed[1] to the list on Mon 21st. This would appear[2] to be the output of Jesse Keating's revamped version of the old Extras script upgradecheck (previously discussed in FWN#108 "Package EVR Problems"[3]) which examines Koji tags[4] to determine whether upgrades from one package version to another will work. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01253.html [2] http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=releng;a=blob;f=scripts/check-upgradepat… [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue108#Package.EVR.Problems [4] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Koji Michael Schwendt noticed[5] that at least one reported failure, of audacity to upgrade from "dist-f8-updates-testing" to "dist-f9-updates" was a false positive because it omitted to take the possible intermediate tag "dist-f9-updates-testing" into account. Jesse Keating pondered[6] the idea and while admitting the possibility that someone might "at one time [have] installed F8 testing updates, and then upgraded to F9 + updates, but without F9 updates-testing. However, it's more plausible that if they were using updates-testing on F8 that they would upgrade to F9 + updates + updates-testing." He suggested that he would break the testing down into two separate paths: "F8, F8-updates, f9-updates" and "F8-updates-testing, F9-updates-testing" and also list the person that built the broken instance instead of listing the owners of the broken packages. [5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01296.html [6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01317.html As the owner can change per branch Michael Schwendt suggested that the pkgdb could be queried for branch-specific ownership data, but Jesse thought that it was more interesting to know who built the package rather than who owned it. He hoped that "the <pkg>-contact fedoraproject org or some such gets created soon so that the script can just email that + the person whom built the problematic package" and Seth Vidal quickly implemented[7] this after Toshio Kuratomi made some changes to pkgdb. [7] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01489.html === Application Installer "Amber" Provides Browser Interface to Packages A description was posted[1] by Owen Taylor of a visual means to rate, browse and install packaged applications in a repository. The discussion around this revealed some differences over the advisability of providing separate ways for ordinary end-users on the one hand and package maintainers on the other to discover and discuss the software available from the FedoraProject. Owen's post was to announce that he had hacked up a web-browser plugin (a detailed README is available[2] which includes discussion of security and cross-browser support) which used PackageKit to allow the installation of packages selected from this website. He had hopes that this would be "robust against inter-distro differences in package names" and wondered "[w]hat do people think... does this make sense as part of the PackageKit project?" [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01433.html [2] http://git.o/shsoup.net/cgit/packagekit-plugin/tree/README Following a suggestion from Tom Callaway that it be integrated with PackageDB (this is the central repository of meta-information on packages and is currently targeted to the needs of package maintainers and release-engineering[3] to track ownership and ACLs[4]) there were questions from Jeff Spaleta about what that meant. Owen replied[5] with more detail, and explained that the web application would take information from PackageDB but that the plugin would use PackageKit (and YUM and hence comps.xml) to display actual installable packages. He listed other possible operations beyond simple installation of packages. It would be possible to offer installation to any anonymous user, but after authentication rating and commenting on packages could be authorized for users in the FAS[6] class. Similarly, the ability to edit package information could be authorized for package owners. [3] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb [4] https://fedorahosted.org/packagedb/ [5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01440.html [6] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ Jeff emphasized[7] that he would prefer to see Owen's interface replace, or augment, the existing PackageDB one[8] in order to increase user-maintainer communication by simplifying and reducing the number of interfaces. Bill Nottingham wondered[9] "Does anyone actually use packagedb to browse for available software?" and although there were a couple of affirmative replies there was no aggregate data presented to answer this question. Nicolas Mailhot replied[10] with some possible uses for expanded meta-information based upon the experience of the Fonts SIG. [7] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01442.html [8] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb [9] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01445.html [10] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01474.html Robin Norwood explained[11] to Jeff that the PackageDB was for one audience "(mostly) targeted at people interested in the plumbing of Fedora" while the new interface was "targeted at people who are looking for applications to install and 'do stuff' with." He posted[12] a link to the Feature page for this ApplicationInstaller. Work seems to have progressed quite far with both the web-application side, which is tentatively named "Amber" and is available for proof-of-concept testing[13] and also with Owen's plugin. [11] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01460.html [12] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ApplicationInstaller [13] http://publictest10.fedoraproject.org/amber Jeff re-iterated[14] his point that "driving users to a different site than the package maintainers... and allowing them to comment [is] going to cause a communication gap" and characterized this as "driveby commenting and rating." Matthias Clasen did not accept that the use cases and requirements were the same as those for PackageDB and argued that "[t]his is not an effort to improve package quality or gain new contributors. This is an effort to make life of users better. It is not about packages, but about applications." Robin was[15] against Jeff's idea of a "monolithic app" and emphasized that he was using existing infrastructure to provide a new interface and also planning easy export of the data. He envisioned this data as providing, for example, a feed of comments about each package to PackageDB: "More of a semantic web type idea than an isolated database or a 'one-stop shop'." [14] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01472.html [15] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01481.html === RPM Inspires Intel Moblin2 Shift From Ubuntu An excited Peter Robinson copied[1] a link to "The Register" to the list. The article claimed that Intel's next version of "Moblin"[2] (cunningly codenamed Moblin2) would be replacing the "Ubuntu-based kernel" with the Fedora kernel and cited Dirk Hohndel. Specifically it attributed a desire to "move to Fedora [as] a technical decision based on the desire to adopt RPM for package management [and also that] having a vibrant community push is the winning factor." The article has since been rebuffed[3] by Hohndel in a comment on one of his blogs as "not only low on detail, it's also high in content that's made up or blown out of proportion" but he does confirm that "we decided to move to an rpm based distribution as that gave us better build tools and most importantly a better way to manage the licenses under which the individual packages are released." [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01381.html [2] Moblin is a GNU/Linux-based software stack for Mobile Internet Devices which includes Xorg,GStreamer,ALSA,the MatchboxWM, GTK, Cairo, Pango, D-Bus, Avahi, Evolution Data Server and more. In order to make life easy for developers a Moblin Image Creator makes it easy to create a small 350-600MB binary image for a particular architecture. Moblin explicitly aims to provide an alternative to GNOME and KDE. http://www.moblin.org/resource.center.php [3] http://www.hohndel.org/communitymatters/moblin/moblin-at-oscon/ Commentary on @fedora-devel tended to cautious optimism mixed with a desire for a lot more information. Jeff Spaleta asked[4] whether the idea was to have Moblin2 be a "part of the larger Fedora project or is it going to be a downstream derived distribution that will include components such that it can not carry the Fedora name?" and broached the idea that Moblin2 might be a candidate for a Secondary Architecture (see FWN#90[5] and FWN#92[6].) DavidWoodhouse (posting with an Intel.com sig) also liked[7] the idea of a Moblin2 SIG producing a Fedora spin for MIDs (Mobile Internet Devices.) [4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01386.html [5] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue90#Fedora.Secondary.Architectures.Pr… [6] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue92#Secondary.Arch.Proposal.Cont [7] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01417.html While "yersinia" thought that the emphasis on RPM was interesting Hansde Goede was intrigued[8] by the emphasis on community activity. Hans suggested that Jeff Spaleta contact Dirk Hohndel to emphasize the dynamic nature of the FOSS community behind Fedora. Jeff suggested that Karsten Wade could meet with Dirk at this week's OSCON[9]. Ex-Red Hat star employee Arjanvande Ven volunteered[10] to do what he could to help make contact with Dirk, describing himself as "on the other side of a cube wall" from him. In response to Rahul Sundaram's request for concrete information from Intel Arjan responded[11] that he would do his best to get the right people to make contact, but that much of the speculation on @fedora-devel concerned topics which have an "eh we don't know yet" answer. He also repeated cautions against believing anything which journalists write. [8] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01397.html [9] http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2008/public/content/home [10] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01447.html [11] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01523.html Paul Frields followed up[12] with details of a meeting at OSCON with senior Fedora hackers. It seemed that the ability to use OpenSuSE's Open Build System (which is based on RPM) was one of the main motivations behind Intel's move. Apparently Koji (the Fedora Project's buildsystem) lacks some specific functionality. Discussion between Paul Frields and Jeff Spaleta centered[13] around whether the apparent Moblin2 plan of acting as a downstream derivative of the Fedora kernel would allow them to garner community contributions and whether this mattered anyway given Intel's vast resources. [12] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-July/msg00198.html [13] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-July/msg00214.html Arthur Pemberton thought that this was a good opportunity to take on some of the anti-RPM and anti-YUM misinformation which had been spread about. David Nielsen thought it was best to merely demand proof from those spreading FUD. Seth Vidal conceded[14] that perhaps not enough had been done to publicize the improvements in YUM and RPM over the last few years and cited[15] a particular case-study of a smartpm user comparing it with YUM to the advantage of the latter. [14] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01503.html [15] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01507.html === Artwork In this section, we cover the Fedora Artwork Project. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork Contributing Writer: Nicu Buculei === Nodoka development After Martin Sourada laid out some plans last week for the Nodoka GTK2 theme engine development, he updated the Fedora Art list with news about the topic: "Considering that the Feature freeze for F10 is nearing and I haven't finished yet with the sketching, I'll push it for Fedora 11, while in Fedora 10 we'll have new notification theme [1], maybe the Echo icons and some minor improvements to the gtk theme/engine." [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-July/msg00217.html === Gathering feed-back about Fedora 10 theme proposals After the first round of the theme creation process for Fedora 10 ended, Nicu Buculei started gathering[1] feed-back from the community (everyone is invited to participated, including the Fedora Weekly News readers): "Since the first round for F10 themes just ended, I wrote to my (infamous) blog an article[2] listing all the proposals, including thumbnails and descriptions and asked for feedback (noting that the preferred way is this mailing list). Also posted about it on FedoraForum[3]." [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-July/msg00222.html [2] http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2008/07/fedora-10-themes-round-1.html [3] http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=1050722 === A possible Bluecurve revival Andy Fitzsimon shared[1] on the Fedora Art list a theme mockup "I didn't design it specifically for fedora but I hope someone here finds it useful for future mocks" and very quickly Hylke Bons expressed his interest[2] and idea about using it in combination with his own project[3] "I think this will fit well in my attempt to ressurect Bluecurve" (Bluecurve is the venerable theme introduced in Red Hat Linux 8 and used as a default until Fedora 6). [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-July/msg00225.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-July/msg00226.html [3] http://bomahy.nl/hylke/wip/bluetwist.png === Security Advisories In this section, we cover Security Advisories from fedora-package-announce. https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-package-announce Contributing Writer: David Nalley === Fedora 9 Security Advisories * mantis-1.1.2-1.fc9 - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2008-July/msg00801.… * dbmail-2.2.9-1.fc9 - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2008-July/msg01094.… * libetpan-0.54-1.fc9 - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2008-July/msg01093.… * php-5.2.6-2.fc9 - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2008-July/msg01021.… * ruby-1.8.6.230-1.fc9 - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2008-July/msg01016.… * gnutls-2.0.4-3.fc9 - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2008-July/msg00980.… * licq-1.3.5-2.fc9 - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2008-July/msg00879.… * perl-5.10.0-27.fc9 - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2008-July/msg00874.… * linuxdcpp-1.0.1-3.fc9 - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2008-July/msg01106.… * sipp-3.1-2.fc9 - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2008-July/msg01160.… === Fedora 8 Security Advisories * wireshark-1.0.2-1.fc8 - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2008-July/msg00798.… * asterisk-1.4.21.2-1.fc8 - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2008-July/msg00839.… * mantis-1.1.2-1.fc8 - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2008-July/msg00813.…

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Unofficial Fedora FAQ Updated for Fedora 9
by Max Kanat-Alexander 25 Jul '08

25 Jul '08

Hi there Fedora land! The Unofficial Fedora FAQ has been updated for Fedora 9! http://www.fedorafaq.org/ For this update, I reviewed and revised almost every single question in the FAQ to be up-to-date and even simpler than before. Of course the new FAQ contains an updated yum configuration, and also working Java plugin instructions, but it also has a whole bunch of other small improvements! The Fedora 8 FAQ is still available at: http://www.fedorafaq.org/f8/ In other news, I'd really like somebody who's willing to help me answer incoming email for the FAQ. I really like being able to get back to everybody who emails me, but I do a lot of different things, and having somebody else who could handle that email would be great. Eventually this would probably evolve into helping me edit and update the FAQ. If you're interested, send me a mail with the subject "FAQ Assistance". The guidelines for contributing to the FAQ are here: http://www.fedorafaq.org/contribute/ As always, translations are welcome! If you would like to translate the FAQ, send me an email with "FAQ Translation" in the subject line and tell me what language you'd like to translate it to. I hope that you all enjoy this update of the FedoraFAQ, and my thanks to everybody in the Fedora community who keep on making each release so much better than the last. :-) -Max -- http://www.everythingsolved.com/ Everything Solved: Friendly & Helpful Bugzilla, Linux, and Perl Services

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Cast your vote for the Fedora 10 Codename!
by Josh Boyer 22 Jul '08

22 Jul '08

We have several options for the Fedora 10 codename, and you get to help decide which we use! https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/about/10 is the URL to cast your vote. Log in with your Fedora Account name and password. As long as you have signed the CLA and belong to one additional group in the Fedora Account System, you can cast your vote. Voting will end and be tallied at 23:59:59 28 July 2008 UTC. josh

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FESCo Election Results
by Brian Pepple 21 Jul '08

21 Jul '08

Hi all, The results of the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee (FESCo) election are in: Bill Nottingham, Kevin Fenzi, Dennis Gilmore, Brian Pepple, and David Woodhouse have been elected to full two-release terms, and Jarod Wilson, Josh Boyer, Jon Stanley and Karsten Hopp have been elected to a one-release term. The full GPG-signed information from our election coordinator, Nigel Jones, including vote totals, is located here: http://bpepple.fedorapeople.org/fesco_results/fescof10results.txt.asc The first meeting for the new FESCo will be this Thursday at 17:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.org, where they will elect a new chair, and decide on the time for future FESCo meetings. Thanks, /B -- Brian Pepple <bpepple(a)fedoraproject.org> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Bpepple gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 810CC15E BD5E 6F9E 8688 E668 8F5B CBDE 326A E936 810C C15E

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Announcing the Fedora OLPC Special Interest Group
by Greg DeKoenigsberg 21 Jul '08

21 Jul '08

The engineers at OLPC are busy building an educational experience for the kids of the world. They are basing their excellent work on Fedora. Their time is stretched perilously thin. Every hour an overworked OLPC engineer spends doing Fedora work is an hour they could be spending doing something else. We in the Fedora community can therefore have a huge, direct, and immediate impact on the success of the OLPC project. Thus, I am proud to announce the formation of the Fedora OLPC Special Interest Group. Our mission: to provide the OLPC project with a strong, sustainable, scalable, community-driven base platform for innovation. Immediate Goals: 1. To identify and take responsible ownership of as many OLPC base packages as possible. 2. To maintain an excellent Sugar environment for Fedora, including a dedicated Sugar spin. 3. To identify useful opportunities for collaboration (infrastructure, localization, etc.) We should convene our first meeting as soon as possible. If you are interested in participating, please join the Fedora OLPC mailing list here and introduce yourself: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list --g

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Fedora Weekly News Issue 135
by Pascal Calarco 21 Jul '08

21 Jul '08

Fedora Weekly News Issue 135 Welcome to Fedora Weekly News Issue 135 for the week ending July 19, 2008. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/LatestIssue Fedora Weekly News keep you updated with the latest issues, events and activities in the fedora community. If you are interested in contributing to Fedora Weekly News, please see our 'join' page. Being a Fedora Weekly News beat writer gives you a chance to work on one of our community's most important sources of news, and can be done in only about 1 hour per week of your time. We are still looking for beat writers to cover the highlights of Fedora Marketing each week and to summarize the Fedora Events and Meetings that happened during each week. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject/Join --- - pascal https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pcalarco

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Fedora Unity releases updated Fedora 9 Re-Spin
by Jeroen van Meeuwen 20 Jul '08

20 Jul '08

The Fedora Unity Project is proud to announce the release of new ISO Re-Spins (DVD) of Fedora 9. These Re-Spin ISOs are based on the officially released Fedora 9 installation media and include all updates released as of July 18th, 2008. The ISO images are available for i386 and x86_64 architectures via Jigdo starting Sunday, July 20th, 2008 (or, "right now"). We were unable to include CD Image sets this time, due to problems we are experiencing ordering the packages and sorting them amongst the different discs in the set. A default installation would have required all discs. With this particular Re-Spin though, we address the following problems: - #445517, Anaconda crashed during selecting packages (installation mode); Translation of plural in Russian made anaconda fail during the selection of packages, if the installation was done in Russian - #445974, minstg2 installs fail - missing /usr/sbin/lspci We would like to give a special thanks to the following for testing this respin within 2 days - Harley-D Dana Hoffman Jr - zcat Jason Farrell - Sonar_Guy Scott Glaser - Southern_Gentleman Ben Williams - kanarip Jeroen van Meeuwen Fedora Unity has taken up the Re-Spin task to provide the community with the chance to install Fedora with recent updates already included. These updates might otherwise comprise more than 1.91 GByte of downloads for a full install, and an additional 265.69 MByte for pulled in dependencies. This is a community project, for and by the community. You can contribute to the community by joining our test process. A full list of bugs, packages and changelogs that have been updated in this Re-Spin can be reviewed on: http://spins.fedoraunity.org/changelogs/20080718/ Go to http://spins.fedoraunity.org/spins to get the bits! If you are interested in helping with the testing or mirroring efforts, please contact the Fedora Unity team. Contact information is available at http://fedoraunity.org/ or the #fedora-unity channel on the Freenode IRC Network (irc.freenode.net). To report bugs in the Re-Spins please use http://bugs.fedoraunity.org/ Kind regards, The Fedora Unity Team

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FUDCon Brno 2008
by Max Spevack 17 Jul '08

17 Jul '08

Hi Fedora, The next FUDCon will take place in Brno, Czech Republic, from September 5 - 7, 2008. The main conference day and social event will be on Saturday (to attract the most people), with hackfest days on Friday and Sunday. FUDCon is always free to attend, no matter where in the world it is located. To sign up or get more information, please visit: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConBrno2008 If you cannot attend this FUDCon, do not despair! We expect to hold a FUDCon somewhere in Asia or India later in 2008, and in multiple locations worldwide in 2009. --Max

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