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New VCS Choice; SCM SIG
by Toshio Kuratomi 28 Jan '07

28 Jan '07

Hey all, Infrastructure, Extras, and the Board have had sporadic talks about changing over from cvs to another version control system and what that entails. Part of the discussions during the fedora-summit showed that we can reimplement dist-cvs in another VCS (for instance, dist-hg) with minimal change in workflow but there are some higher level questions about what things we want to make easy that we should answer first. The SCM SIG [1]_ is responsible for driving this discussion and as part of that, we're soliciting input on what our high level goals are. Here's an initial list of questions that need to be answered. We will be discussing this and likely making some decisions at FudCon so we're hoping we can get some good input of these goals now to make sure we take into account all the goals that people want the new system to address. VCS Redesign Plan[2]_ We need to answer these overarching goals before we can decide how to redesign the VCS. == Goals that the VCS can Help Achieve == Decide on goals and prioritize them so we can evaluate what architectures implement these features the best. * Work closer with upstream * Work closer with downstream * Make it easy to manage large numbers of patches * Keep the barrier of entry for new contributors low == High Level Architecture == There are some highlevel design decisions that will have an effect on whichever underlying VCS we use. The architecture will enable us to more effectively achieve our goals. * Exploded trees * Patches & spec plus lookaside cache == Workflow for the VCS == * jcollie has started a page that abstracts our current workflow with cvs-dist: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/VersionControl/Operations == What VCS Makes it Easiest to Implement our Goals == After we answer the above questions we can answer this. [1]_: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/SCMSig [2]_ : This information is recorded on the wiki at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/VersionControl/HighLevelRedesi… -Toshio

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Install about 12 min quicker today
by Jerry Williams 28 Jan '07

28 Jan '07

The install is about 12 min. quicker today for the default install. Using pxe boot and NFS. And I can now ssh into the box from a remote machine. :) Thanks! Other things like Take Screenshot are still broken. What is that chance to swap a couple of screens? So when you are at the screen that lets you select the packages and you click next that it just takes you to the next screen that tells you about the log in /root. Then when you click next it would do the dependency check and if no errors just continue the install. Also is there a reason that all the keys just don't get imported? I keep getting the guetenprint update and it asks for the RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-extras key to be imported. Then again maybe this key should go away, since extras is. Jerry

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State of diskless tools
by Bernardo Innocenti 28 Jan '07

28 Jan '07

Hello Jason, I've just posted a patch to update system-config-netboot to generate initramfs images to bootstrap diskless clients: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=204877 I noticed that for the system-config-netboot component there were several trivial bugs that have been open for several momths without any activity going on. The latest update of system-config-netboot has been on Jun 2006. Is this package still being actively maintained? And, more importantly, is RedHat still interested in pushing and supporting diskless clients in the next versions of RHEL? I'm asking because, depending on the level of support we can expect, I may have to recommend different solutions for the IT department. -- // Bernardo Innocenti - Develer S.r.l., R&D dept. \X/ http://www.develer.com/

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KDE4 being packaged
by Chitlesh GOORAH 28 Jan '07

28 Jan '07

Hai you all :) Well, I just started packaging kde4 based on kevinkoefler's work. Some friends are porting kde3 apps to kde4, so why not give them the minimum tools needed ? kevinkoefler SRPMS are http://osdn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/kde-redhat/kdelibs4-3.80.2-0.1.2… http://osdn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/kde-redhat/kdepimlibs4-3.80.2-0.… http://osdn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/kde-redhat/kdebase4-3.80.2-0.1.2… My modifications : http://chitlesh.funpic.de/fedora/kde4_11_27.tar.bz2 (I don't have a place to upload the SRPMS :( ) 1. the svn snapshot are from 20061003, neither kevin nor I got the time to update the snapshots. However my priority is just first get a working set of kde4 packages. 2. the specs don't have the patches inorder to integrate these packages to the fedora desktop. ThanNgo accepted to offer his help to. 3. SRPMs from my specs haven't undergo mock till now. 4. kde4 is installed on /opt/kde4 and kevin made so to co-existe kde3 and kde4 at the same time 5. the kde4.desktop doesn't load kde4 desktop upon login because it seeks its libkde*.so.5 at /usr/lib instead of /opt/kde4/lib I would like to have more light on this #5 in order to make it just work for once :) here is my /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop: [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Type=XSession export KDEDIR=/opt/kde4 export PATH=/opt/kde4/bin/:$PATH export KDEHOME=~/.kde4 export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$/opt/kde4/lib/:$KDEDIR/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/opt/kde4/lib Exec=/opt/kde4/bin/startkde TryExec=/opt/kde4/bin/startkde Name=KDE4 Comment=The K Desktop Environment. A powerful Open Source graphical desktop environment Any help will be welcome :) chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com

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rawhide report: 20070128 changes
by Build System 28 Jan '07

28 Jan '07

Updated Packages: (none) Broken deps for s390 ---------------------------------------------------------- systemtap - 0.5.10-1.fc7.s390 requires kernel >= 0:2.6.9-11 systemtap-runtime - 0.5.10-1.fc7.s390 requires kernel >= 0:2.6.9-11

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Inclusion of Grub 2 in FC7 ?
by Jerone Young 28 Jan '07

28 Jan '07

I was wondering how everyone felt about the possibility of including Grub 2 in FC7. While it still is in development, it is very much functional and does currently work. This would have the potential to allow unification of boot loaders across all architecture (PPC & EFI Intel boxes come to mind). This may also kick start development on Grub 2, so it's not under development forever. The downfall though is that it does use a new file format & tools would need to be modified to support it. What does everyone else think? For info on grub 2: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-2-faq.en.html

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Any plans to add support for new features of laptops targeting Vista?
by Miles Lane 28 Jan '07

28 Jan '07

Hello, This article introduces a bunch of new laptop technologies that Microsoft is supporting in Vista. According to the article, these technologies will result in shortened boot times, less power consumption in hard drives, the ability to have commonly used files stay resident in non-volatile memory for rapid program launches, etc. These technologies all have a hardware component in addition to the software side. My hope is that we can figure out how to have Linux benefit from these hardware changes. Power management on laptops remains an area where Linux is challenged, though it is improving. Is there any hardware specs are out there for these new chunks of hardware? Here's an article discussing the new gizmos: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/01/23/windows_vista_laptops/page3.html Miles

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Please put pxelinux.0 in /images/pxeboot/
by Jerry Williams 27 Jan '07

27 Jan '07

Could someone please add pxelinux.0 to /images/pxeboot/? I am not sure how often it changes, but it is kind of a pain to get it out of syslinux. Is pxelinux.0 a generic thing or does it have to match everything else? Also is there a reason that stage2.img couldn't just be loaded from the tftp server in the first place instead of having to use NFS, ftp, or http? Especially if you are just doing a rescue?

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nscd missing from bugzilla
by Neal Becker 26 Jan '07

26 Jan '07

There is no entry for nscd in bugzilla. Here is the bug: /sbin/service nscd status nscd dead but subsys locked sudo /sbin/service nscd status nscd (pid 3523) is running...

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Want to help QA the Test1 release?
by Jesse Keating 26 Jan '07

26 Jan '07

We could really use it (: I need to have a tree handed off by tomorrow in order to meet the Tuesday release deadline. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/7/Test1TreeTesting Start there and let us know! We'll try to fill in the found bugs as we find them, or the common known issues. Given that this is Test1, its going to be a little rough. -- Jesse Keating Release Engineer: Fedora

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