Hi,
Please find below the list of topics that are likely to come up in the next FESCo meeting that is scheduled for tomorrow, Thursday at 17:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.org:
/topic FESCO-Meeting -- MISC -- Feature Proposal Approval - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Dashboard - notting, poelcat
/topic FESCO-Meeting -- MISC -- Hans question about kmod requirements - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-July/msg01428.html - dwmw2
/topic FESCO-Meeting -- Rebuilding Packages -- Needs to decide whether to always rebuild, or only when toolchain warrants it - all
/topic FESCo meeting -- Free discussion around Fedora
You want something to be discussed? Send a note to the list in reply to this mail and I'll add it to the schedule (I can't promise we will get to it tomorrow, but we'll most likely will if we don't run out of time). You can also propose topics in the meeting while it is in the "Free discussion around Fedora" phase.
If your name/nick is on above list please update the status on the Extras schedule pages in the wiki ahead of the meeting. That way all the other FESCo members and interested contributors know what up ahead of the meeting. And we will avoid long delays in the meeting -- those often arise if someone describes the recent happenings on a topic directly in the meeting while all the others have to wait for his slow typing...
Thanks, /B
Perhaps what the future of the init system is gonna be? And how the flicker-free boot stuff is going on?
I personally am very interested in the future of RHGB itself. There was some talk baout it during the F7 test releases but i didn't saw any news updates on that part. (can't finf the site of it anymore where i've read that future RHGB stuff.. it was something that required a X patch..)
Mark wrote:
Perhaps what the future of the init system is gonna be? And how the flicker-free boot stuff is going on?
Both of these are off the proposed feature list. The spec files are at
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureNewInit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureBetterStartup
Dbus activation from Richard Hughes which is upstream now might as well get us the benefis of a new init system without really being one. Christopher Blizzard blogged about the idea behind this a while back at http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=297
Better startup still requires more mode setting work on kernel upstream afaik.
Rahul
On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 03:26 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Mark wrote:
Perhaps what the future of the init system is gonna be? And how the flicker-free boot stuff is going on?
Both of these are off the proposed feature list.
See, this is why I think the new feature process still needs some fine-tuning wrt. to the interaction with time-based releases.
These two features may not be on the list of features targetted for F8, but they are very much still being worked on. Just saying they are "off the proposed feature list" sends the wrong message.
Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 03:26 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Mark wrote:
Perhaps what the future of the init system is gonna be? And how the flicker-free boot stuff is going on?
Both of these are off the proposed feature list.
See, this is why I think the new feature process still needs some fine-tuning wrt. to the interaction with time-based releases.
These two features may not be on the list of features targetted for F8, but they are very much still being worked on. Just saying they are "off the proposed feature list" sends the wrong message.
What message would that be? If they are not on target for Fedora 8 that doesn't mean that everybody stopped working on it. It just means that we don't expect it to be on ready on time for the Fedora 8 release.
Is it not the message that we wanted to convey?
Rahul
2007/8/1, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org:
Better startup still requires more mode setting work on kernel upstream afaik.
Your kidding right? Ubuntu is doing it so it most be possible for fedora to do it as well. if not than why? and what needs to be changed in the kernel? you can put all those kernel debug messages off. RedHat adds a message with Nash and than udev ads a message. get those 2 gone and you have a nearly flicker-free boot. Than you only need to kill out grub (possible if it's the only os). The last thing that needs to be adjusted is the graphical boot itself so that it doesn't flicker anymore when the boot is going to kdm/gdm/xdm/whatever
Mark wrote:
2007/8/1, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org:
Better startup still requires more mode setting work on kernel upstream afaik.
Your kidding right? Ubuntu is doing it so it most be possible for fedora to do it as well. if not than why?
They are not comparable features at the implementation level. Read the spec and some of the references to understand why. Here are some details
http://keithp.com/blog/kernel-mode-drivers.html
Fedora also is unlikely to differ much from upstream in these instances. So things like bootsplash are not a option.
Rahul
Found what i meant: http://hoegsberg.blogspot.com/2007/01/plymouth.html posted a long time ago and still no updates on it.
That article about kernel-mode-drivers is interesting. thanx for the link.
2007/8/2, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org:
Mark wrote:
2007/8/1, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org:
Better startup still requires more mode setting work on kernel upstream afaik.
Your kidding right? Ubuntu is doing it so it most be possible for fedora to do it as well. if not than why?
They are not comparable features at the implementation level. Read the spec and some of the references to understand why. Here are some details
http://keithp.com/blog/kernel-mode-drivers.html
Fedora also is unlikely to differ much from upstream in these instances. So things like bootsplash are not a option.
Rahul
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Mark wrote:
Found what i meant: http://hoegsberg.blogspot.com/2007/01/plymouth.html posted a long time ago and still no updates on it.
I heard the implementation didn't work out as well as expected. It was expected to be the short term solution before kernel mode setting changes got merged in but looks like the long term is nearer now.
Rahul
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Mark wrote:
Perhaps what the future of the init system is gonna be? And how the flicker-free boot stuff is going on?
Both of these are off the proposed feature list. The spec files are at
This is not true.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureNewInit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureBetterStartup
They are both still part of CategoryProposedFeature and will remain there. They can be found at the link at the end of this section http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/FeatureList#proposed
John
John Poelstra wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Mark wrote:
Perhaps what the future of the init system is gonna be? And how the flicker-free boot stuff is going on?
Both of these are off the proposed feature list. The spec files are at
This is not true.
.. proposed feature list for Fedora 8 in this context.
Rahul
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