Hi all-
I've been trying to follow the guidelines for assuming responsibility for a package per https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers and am on step 4, asking if anyone knows how to contact the current maintainer for Nethack 3.6.
The issue in question is: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1289974.
As I stated in the bug report, I'd be happy to take over responsibility for this package and keep it going forward.
Thanks,
Ron
"RO" == Ron Olson tachoknight@gmail.com writes:
RO> Hi all- I've been trying to follow the guidelines for assuming RO> responsibility for a package per RO> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers RO> and am on step 4, asking if anyone knows how to contact the current RO> maintainer for Nethack 3.6.
Well, I've seen fale around IRC as reently as a month ago, but not more recently. Maybe he's on vacation.
I haven't seen lmacken on IRC in a while.
RO> As I stated in the bug report, I'd be happy to take over RO> responsibility for this package and keep it going forward.
I don't see that you have requested access to the package in the package database. So even if one of the existing, almost certainly super busy maintainers had a couple of minutes to approve your access, they couldn't. And one of the maintainers even offered to approve your access if you would only request it (back in November). Heck, we even had someone willing to push your changes for you.
- J<
Right, it's nice that my changes would be pushed, but I'm hoping to take the reigns and keep the Nethack package moving forward, and thought pushing the changes were just that, and nothing more.
I did request access but the page gave me a catch-22 of needing to be in a particular group to continue; it was awhile ago at the end of last year and I kind of dropped it, but since I've been playing more Nethack on my Fedora 25 laptop, it rekindled my interest in being the maintainer.
Sorry if I'm doing this wrong; the maintainer packages are pretty involved and I'm trying to navigate through this; there's no 'dnf -y install maintainer' as far as I can tell. :)
Ron
On 9 May 2017, at 14:12, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
"RO" == Ron Olson tachoknight@gmail.com writes:
RO> Hi all- I've been trying to follow the guidelines for assuming RO> responsibility for a package per RO> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers RO> and am on step 4, asking if anyone knows how to contact the current RO> maintainer for Nethack 3.6.
Well, I've seen fale around IRC as reently as a month ago, but not more recently. Maybe he's on vacation.
I haven't seen lmacken on IRC in a while.
RO> As I stated in the bug report, I'd be happy to take over RO> responsibility for this package and keep it going forward.
I don't see that you have requested access to the package in the package database. So even if one of the existing, almost certainly super busy maintainers had a couple of minutes to approve your access, they couldn't. And one of the maintainers even offered to approve your access if you would only request it (back in November). Heck, we even had someone willing to push your changes for you.
- J<
"RO" == Ron Olson tachoknight@gmail.com writes:
RO> I did request access but the page gave me a catch-22 of needing to RO> be in a particular group to continue; it was awhile ago at the end RO> of last year and I kind of dropped it, but since I've been playing RO> more Nethack on my Fedora 25 laptop, it rekindled my interest in RO> being the maintainer.
I guess what you're trying to say is that you're not a packager. That wasn't mentioned anywhere as far as I can see. The maintainer of any package can request that you be made a packager so that you can assist them with the package, and I'm sure that fale would have done that if you had mentioned that you needed such.
I can also sponsor you into the packager group as can several other folks. That's basically just a promise to mentor you and help with questions you may have. For me it would be vastly preferable if you were on IRC because that's a low effort way to communicate, versus email which for me often piles up and gets missed.
RO> Sorry if I'm doing this wrong; the maintainer packages are pretty RO> involved and I'm trying to navigate through this; there's no 'dnf -y RO> install maintainer' as far as I can tell. :)
Well, there's fedora-packager, but of course it only gets you the tools, not the knowledge. We have a bunch of documentation about becoming a packager; I'm not sure what you've read at this point.
I looked at the nethack package and while it's a bit archaic it's not particularly complicated. I personally would do some cleanup simplifications which might make it a bit easier to read and maintain but it's not a difficult package by any means. (The use of X11 core fonts does scare me, though; that's something most of us would try to forget.)
Of course I'm assuming that 3.6 hasn't become drastically more complicated.
- J<
Sorry, right, I'm trying to become a packager. Funny enough, I use IRC every day; what room should I join (I'm assuming Freenode).
On 9 May 2017, at 14:45, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
"RO" == Ron Olson tachoknight@gmail.com writes:
RO> I did request access but the page gave me a catch-22 of needing to RO> be in a particular group to continue; it was awhile ago at the end RO> of last year and I kind of dropped it, but since I've been playing RO> more Nethack on my Fedora 25 laptop, it rekindled my interest in RO> being the maintainer.
I guess what you're trying to say is that you're not a packager. That wasn't mentioned anywhere as far as I can see. The maintainer of any package can request that you be made a packager so that you can assist them with the package, and I'm sure that fale would have done that if you had mentioned that you needed such.
I can also sponsor you into the packager group as can several other folks. That's basically just a promise to mentor you and help with questions you may have. For me it would be vastly preferable if you were on IRC because that's a low effort way to communicate, versus email which for me often piles up and gets missed.
RO> Sorry if I'm doing this wrong; the maintainer packages are pretty RO> involved and I'm trying to navigate through this; there's no 'dnf -y RO> install maintainer' as far as I can tell. :)
Well, there's fedora-packager, but of course it only gets you the tools, not the knowledge. We have a bunch of documentation about becoming a packager; I'm not sure what you've read at this point.
I looked at the nethack package and while it's a bit archaic it's not particularly complicated. I personally would do some cleanup simplifications which might make it a bit easier to read and maintain but it's not a difficult package by any means. (The use of X11 core fonts does scare me, though; that's something most of us would try to forget.)
Of course I'm assuming that 3.6 hasn't become drastically more complicated.
- J<
"RO" == Ron Olson tachoknight@gmail.com writes:
RO> Sorry, right, I'm trying to become a packager. Funny enough, I use RO> IRC every day; what room should I join (I'm assuming Freenode).
#fedora-devel on freenode is the place. Feel free to ask any questions you might have there. I'll always answer if I'm able, and of course anyone else there might help as well.
Just in case you don't know, the master document for new packagers is https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_package_collection_maintainers
Since you're not asking to submit a new package but instead work with someone on an existing package, you can skip all of the things related so submitting new packages for review.
Also, it was mere chance that I saw this; fedora-games is a more focused mailing list for talking about something like nethack. The Games SIG isn't super active but that's where the dedicated games maintainers are most likely to see something.
- J<
On Tue, 2017-05-09 at 14:12 -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
"RO" == Ron Olson tachoknight@gmail.com writes:
RO> Hi all- I've been trying to follow the guidelines for assuming RO> responsibility for a package per RO> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers RO> and am on step 4, asking if anyone knows how to contact the current RO> maintainer for Nethack 3.6.
Well, I've seen fale around IRC as reently as a month ago, but not more recently. Maybe he's on vacation.
I haven't seen lmacken on IRC in a while.
Luke hasn't done anything Fedora-ish in a long time, AFAIK. He's off doing weird stuff with blockchains somewhere.
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