education January 2009

education@lists.fedoraproject.org

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Introduction and some questions
by Xavi Conde 28 Jan '09

28 Jan '09

Hi all! First of all, I'll introduce myself. My name is Xavi Conde and I'm the current coordinator of Catalan Fedora translation team. We're interested in having Catalan supported for Education SIG. Catalan is currently one of the languages supported by F10, hence we're a little surprised that it is not included by default in your distribution. Can you explain us the steps to do in order to have it supported? Thanks in advance and best regards! -- "We the willing, following the unknowing are doing the impossible. We have done so much for so long with so little we are now able to do anything with nothing."

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A Remix. And more to come.
by Sebastian Dziallas 22 Jan '09

22 Jan '09

-- slightly modified, via [1] -- Okay folks, we have something ready! It's just a preview, provided as-is, far away from being official and just intended for testing. So what is it? You can now get an (unbranded) education remix right here: http://rdieter.fedorapeople.org/torrents/f10-education-preview-1.torrent (thanks to rdieter for setting this up!) Why are we releasing this now? As this is still based on F10, the main purpose is to gather feedback concerning the spin for F11. You're asking what we've on the spin? We've included more applications for educational goals than before: You'll be able to evaluate the whole KDE Education Suite including new apps like marble or step. We're also having some graphics applications like Blender, GIMP and Inkscape around - so there's enough space for you to give full scope to your creativity. What else? You get the OpenOffice suite on the CD, as well as a great TODO list called Tasque. And you always wanted to test your brain? Nevermind, just fire gbrainy up! These are just the most important apps, you can check out more information in the wiki [2]. As always, feedback is greatly appreciated, so feel free to join us in #fedora-edu on Freenode or just drop a comment here. --Sebastian [1] http://sdziallas.joyeurs.com/blog/2009/01/fedora-edu-a-remix-and-more-to.ht… [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education/EducationLive

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Fedora Edu Spin Meeting Minutes from 2009-01-14
by Danishka Navin 15 Jan '09

15 Jan '09

21:28:58 <sdziallas> okay, folks, my watch says it's time... let's get this party started! 21:29:34 <sdziallas> the agenda is here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education/Meetings/2009-01-14 21:29:46 <sdziallas> now how about a quick roll call? who's here? 21:29:56 <rdieter> yo 21:30:20 * tomeu (n=tomeu(a)89-24-113-11.i4g.tmcz.cz) has joined #fedora-edu 21:30:40 <sdziallas> tomeu: :) 21:30:40 * hanthana here 21:30:49 * ongolaBoy (n=chatzill(a)196.202.239.205) has joined #fedora-edu 21:31:23 <tomeu> hi all 21:31:36 <sdziallas> Hi! (just in time for the roll call ;) 21:31:38 <hanthana> hi tomeu :) 21:32:09 <sdziallas> well, sounds like we could just move on following the agenda...: CURRENT STATUS 21:32:51 <sdziallas> so let me put it this way: some preliminary work on an education spin has been done, here's the wiki page for it: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education/EducationLive 21:32:59 <hanthana> appreciate if we can introduce, at list FAS name 21:33:01 <hanthana> ;) 21:33:42 <rdieter> good idea, Rex Dieter, rdieter 21:34:02 <tomeu> I'm a sugar developer, Tomeu Vizoso, tomeu 21:34:10 * sdziallas was too quick - as usual. ;) 21:34:12 <hanthana> Danishka Navin, fas: snavin 21:34:21 <hanthana> sdziallas: no worries ;) 21:34:29 <sdziallas> you should know me: Sebastian Dziallas, sdz 21:34:35 <hanthana> ha ha 21:35:06 <sdziallas> okay? 21:35:07 <hanthana> any other attendees? 21:35:16 <hanthana> sdziallas: go ahead 21:35:50 * ongolaBoy is just a visitor interested in education matters... 21:36:06 <sdziallas> :) 21:36:14 <rdieter> ongolaBoy: welcome 21:36:20 <hanthana> hi ongolaBoy :) 21:36:59 <sdziallas> there we go! as I said, we've started. there's a table in the wiki, listing some applications, I've drafted some kickstart files up, and well: 21:37:36 <rdieter> how'd xcfe vs kde go? need more beer to decide? 21:37:40 <sdziallas> I've currently two builds around here, one is KDE-based, the other one uses XFCE. 21:38:06 <sdziallas> I think that's the decision we need to make first. and now. 21:38:17 <sdziallas> To give you a quick overview: 21:39:18 <sdziallas> The KDE spin currently only includes Qt4-based software, since I wouldn't want kdelibs3 being pulled in. It includes a number of apps, but not all (yet) - e.g., I didn't add krita (or another Gimp alternative), yet. 21:39:27 <sdziallas> It's size is right now 636 MB. 21:40:28 <sdziallas> The XFCE one is pretty much complete, includes some other apps, due to its GTK-nature. But you get at least kdeedu on both. That spin has right now a size of 666 MB, even though I've one or two ideas for further apps. 21:40:49 <sdziallas> I feel it's clear enough that we're not going to release both. 21:41:22 <sdziallas> So what we need is a decision, on how we're going to proceed. 21:41:27 <hanthana> we need at least 20MB for re-spin for other locales, so xfce is my choice 21:41:58 <hanthana> coz, xfce spin contain more apps than kde spin 21:43:27 <sdziallas> As I said, I can work with both. I just need some feedback here. I'm personally using partly XFCE on the OLPC, but this doesn't prevent me from using KDE or something else (as Sugar ;). 21:43:52 <ongolaBoy> for which people do you intend to release this spin ? 21:44:49 <rdieter> ongolaBoy: good question, we don't have a clearly targetted audience, mostly for lack of feedback (ie, not sure what people want/need). 21:45:14 <sdziallas> It's for students, but also for teachers, pupils and schools - though, we're not going to put gcompris on it, because its intended for pupils under our target age. I'd tend to talk about something like an age of 12+... 21:45:30 * rdieter is indifferent wrt xfce vs kde, might be interesting to explore something new/different with xfce. 21:46:04 <ongolaBoy> personaly i prefer xfce because of the low machines that i have in my environment... 21:46:06 <sdziallas> rdieter is right there: in the past, we've been doing what we thought would fit people's needs best. but due to a lack of feedback, it turned out, that it was not always the best... 21:46:39 <ongolaBoy> but i suggest you to release what you, the developpers, want to do 21:47:43 <sdziallas> yeah, that's also why I want us to talk about it. but the better we can fit people's needs, the better for us, as developers, because our stuff becomes - hopefully - more used ;) 21:48:08 <sdziallas> so I think... we'll have a closer look at the xfce spin?! 21:48:18 <hanthana> so, guys lets fix xfce as the spin 21:48:23 <ongolaBoy> so, if i was able to vote ;) i prefer xfce 21:48:43 <hanthana> +1 xfce 21:48:44 <sdziallas> okay, I'll take a note and update the spin's page in the wiki with an updated list. 21:49:45 * ctyler_ has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21:50:01 <tomeu> about sugar, better wait until there's better support for unmodified apps 21:50:07 <tomeu> next release, hopefully 21:50:41 <rdieter> there's already a sugar spin anyway, isn't there? 21:50:42 <sdziallas> tomeu: yeah, in the meantime, we have the sugar spin (which I hope to get approved soonish, too) 21:50:50 <sdziallas> heh. *hint* :) 21:51:06 <rdieter> that said, perhaps there could be merging here 21:51:45 <tomeu> yeah, I guess it will be very difficult to have a single spin good for all ages 21:52:10 <sdziallas> yep, that's true. we can't target everyone without... bloating it for someone. 21:52:42 <sdziallas> (neither sugar nor kdeedu is imo bloat, but I'd like to select apps, too) 21:53:02 <tomeu> you can keep focusing now on 12+ and do something else later for <12 21:53:48 <ongolaBoy> +1 for +12 21:54:22 <sdziallas> yeah, I feel we should consider something on behalf of how those spins will be working together (or who they're targetting)... 21:54:56 <sdziallas> I'll make another note on that in the wiki / meeting summary. 21:55:37 <sdziallas> does anybody want to add something to the current state or can we move on? 21:56:24 <sdziallas> I'll take that as a no ;) 21:56:30 <sdziallas> Well, what needs to be done? 21:57:06 <sdziallas> The spin needs some polishing: I'll update the kickstart file and will - once it's somehow ready - submit it to the Spin SIG for technical approval. 21:57:27 <sdziallas> Next steps are then approval from the board and finally from rel-eng. Those are the steps... concerning policy. 21:57:51 <hanthana> sdziallas: before that shall we do a small user testing? 21:58:03 <sdziallas> What else do we need? Imo, feedback, feedback, and still more feedback... 21:58:12 <hanthana> by giving the spin to selected people [students and teachers] 21:58:27 <sdziallas> (which brings us also to point 03 on the list - they go hand in hand, I think) 21:58:57 <sdziallas> hanthana: I think it might be a good idea - not necessarily before submitting it to Spin SIG, but I think such a testing can't be too bad. So a +1 here. 21:59:20 <ongolaBoy> 'hand in hand' should be the fastest way to have feedback from users 21:59:29 <hanthana> i can help for that 21:59:35 <sdziallas> We might think about a fitting time (frame) here, but we can run such a test in parallel. 21:59:43 <hanthana> as i have contacts with local Edu officials 21:59:44 <sdziallas> Yeah, ongolaBoy! 21:59:52 <sdziallas> hanthana: that would be great! 22:00:21 <hanthana> lets fix a time frame for 1st feedback 22:00:22 * ongolaBoy has a low internet connection :( 22:00:38 <sdziallas> Btw: For any inofficial - pre-release spins - we need a possibility to host it somewhere. (If you don't want to build it everytime on your own) 22:00:44 * sdziallas checks F11 schedule 22:00:44 <hanthana> i mean, lets give them one week for testing/playing 22:01:28 <sdziallas> hanthana: a week or so would be fine with me, maybe two, but not more, since we also need some time for the results and working on it... 22:01:39 <hanthana> yeah 22:02:03 <hanthana> sdziallas: lets ready for one week, 22:02:13 <sdziallas> okay! 22:02:18 <hanthana> they might take another week if they want 22:02:24 <sdziallas> (another note for me and the wiki ;) 22:02:28 <sdziallas> sounds good to me. 22:02:59 <sdziallas> next question: when do we want to start this? Here's the schedule for F11: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/11/Schedule 22:03:22 <sdziallas> Feature freeze is at the beginning of march. 22:04:07 <hanthana> 2009-04-14 - Final Development Freeze 22:04:12 <sdziallas> I need some time for preparing the kickstart, then it needs to be built. And then, we let the testing run for a week or so, right? 22:04:19 <hanthana> lets target march 22:04:21 * heffer (n=felix@fedora/heffer) has joined #fedora-edu 22:04:48 <sdziallas> for testing? or for having something really working ready? 22:05:05 <hanthana> really working ready 22:05:24 <sdziallas> (this doesn't prevent us from working on pre-release stuff, either.) 22:05:27 <hanthana> sdziallas: i would like to start testing before February 22:06:23 <sdziallas> any objections or additions here? we might need to use a F10 base then for testing; Rawhide might be too buggy. 22:07:35 <ongolaBoy> the 'final' release should rolled out with f11 right ? 22:07:45 <rdieter> I can help host a spin 22:07:47 <hanthana> yes 22:07:53 <hanthana> rdieter: cool 22:07:55 <rdieter> for testing, that is. 22:08:06 <sdziallas> rdieter: that would be great :) 22:08:25 <hanthana> i am also trying to locally host 22:08:48 <hanthana> here we have schooNet, and University Network 22:09:27 <rdieter> I can be a torrent seed/tracker is what I had in mind. 22:09:44 <rdieter> hanthana: you? 22:10:57 <rdieter> as a side note, I finally dropped the f9-edu preview spin that had been hosted for quite awhile, nope nobody minds... 22:10:59 <hanthana> rdieter: i am planning for direct download and hand to hand distribution 22:11:25 <rdieter> hanthana: cool, when/if that's available, let me know, and I'll add it as a web seed for the torrent 22:11:49 <sdziallas> rdieter: nope... that's more than okay ;) 22:12:03 <sdziallas> okay, this sounds like a good plan (having both)! 22:12:31 <hanthana> tomorrow i am talking to edu officials, regarding hosting and distributing of the test copy 22:12:52 <hanthana> and we need a creating a bugzilla component - ToDo 22:13:21 <hanthana> btw, sdziallas when we are going to start the testing? 22:13:38 <hanthana> lets fix a time duration now 22:14:01 * sdziallas hasn' checked out yet, how to do this; but I'll make a note regarding bugzilla, to look into this 22:14:44 <rdieter> I would venture that spin approval is a prereq for any bz component creation, but I could be wrong 22:14:45 <sdziallas> well... I don't need a long time for preparing the kickstart file (so somebody wants further apps on it - *that* is the time to suggest them, to get 'em tested) ;) 22:15:09 <sdziallas> *if somebody wants further apps... 22:16:01 <hanthana> shall we start from 25th Jan to 7th Feb 22:16:08 <sdziallas> rdieter: might be true. if necessary, I can ask around ;) 22:16:59 <sdziallas> hanthana: I'm fine with that. 22:17:35 <sdziallas> leaves us enough time to make sure we're not distributing bad stuff to the testers and is still way enough before march. 22:17:36 <sdziallas> +1 22:18:47 <sdziallas> any objections? if not, I'll add that to the wiki after the meeting, too. 22:19:11 * ongolaBoy has nothing to add ... 22:19:31 <sdziallas> okey dokey. (just want to make sure everybody's happy) 22:19:39 <hanthana> heh 22:20:03 <sdziallas> what else there is left? documentation? an artwork? 22:20:32 <hanthana> 04. Marketting plan for spreading fedora edu spin 22:20:52 <sdziallas> marketing is good. :) 22:20:59 <hanthana> Marketting plan for spreading fedora edu spin 22:20:59 <hanthana> workshops, seminas, installFest, etc 22:20:59 <hanthana> Fedora edu - tshirt for those who working for the project ;) 22:21:17 <sdziallas> w00t! 22:21:52 <hanthana> i do ..... workshops, seminas, installFest, etc 22:21:57 <ongolaBoy> concerning Artwork, is it possible to ask to Nicu and his friends to create special stuff off edu 22:22:17 <sdziallas> I've... submitted a request for artwork some time ago: 22:22:24 <ongolaBoy> but i don't know how you communicate between team in general ... 22:22:27 <rdieter> most definietely possible, couldn't hurt to ask the fedora-art team, they're usually quite good at delivering 22:22:33 <sdziallas> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService#Fedora_Education 22:23:04 <sdziallas> but that was ages ago - I recieved a wiki banner from tatica, but I didn't add it yet, since I felt... it would need to be discussed with her / the artwork team first. 22:23:12 <hanthana> sdziallas: we need a poster/ Boucher 22:23:40 <sdziallas> I also asked for special artwork for our spin, such as a wallpaper, but: work in progress, afaik ;) 22:23:42 <sdziallas> yeah! 22:23:53 <rdieter> would probably help if someone volunteered to lead the art effort, and potentially poke/prod/bribe them 22:25:27 <sdziallas> yeah, well, I can go and update the request quite a bit... I'm a bit lazy about poking 'em, but I could do that. (hopefully, I don't forget) ;) 22:25:32 * sdziallas makes another mental note. 22:26:53 <sdziallas> okay? anything else on behalf of artwork? nope?... 22:27:13 <ongolaBoy> sdziallas:at least for artwork, update your request by replacing kde by xfce... 22:27:16 <hanthana> sdziallas: 'adding a wallpaper ' grate idea!! 22:27:39 <sdziallas> ongolaBoy, yeah; will do. it's quite outdated there, I know... 22:27:54 <sdziallas> okay :) 22:28:01 <hanthana> do we need CD/DVD cover? 22:28:09 <hanthana> stickers? 22:28:54 <sdziallas> maybe later on, yeah. and some flyers couldn't hurt either. But partly general Fedora stuff should be fine, too. 22:29:02 * sdziallas loves our t-shirts :) 22:29:47 <hanthana> we can add Edu spin promotion with F11 release 22:30:15 <sdziallas> (for which we need rel-engs approval, but I'll take care of that) 22:31:24 <sdziallas> okay? can we move on here? (sorry if I'm rushing a bit) 22:31:34 <ongolaBoy> . 22:31:40 <hanthana> ok 22:31:43 <hanthana> next! 22:31:57 <hanthana> Documentation: 22:32:05 <hanthana> HowTos related to the Fedora Education Spin. 22:32:05 <hanthana> for an example; 22:32:05 <hanthana> 'How to install Edu Spin to the system?' 22:32:05 <hanthana> 'How to install other software using Fedora repo?' 22:33:18 <sdziallas> the latter one should be more or less explained somewhere (I'd bet there are already howtos for this), but the first or 'which additional educational software can I get?' or 'what does this app offer me?' would be other examples... 22:34:10 * ctyler (n=chris(a)global.proximity.on.ca) has joined #fedora-edu 22:35:21 <sdziallas> this one could be worked out together with questions we might recieve from testing... 22:35:36 <hanthana> yes 22:35:43 <hanthana> good idea 22:36:23 <ongolaBoy> 'what package can i use for algebra,geometry,electronics,...?' 22:36:30 <sdziallas> exactly! 22:36:38 <hanthana> ongolaBoy: +1 22:37:11 <sdziallas> okay... anything else you want to discuss? 22:37:31 <hanthana> fixing dates for next meeting? 22:37:59 <sdziallas> well, that's our last task, before adjourning the meeting, I think ;) 22:38:18 <sdziallas> so if there's nothing more to discuss, I thing we can head for that, yeah. 22:39:06 <hanthana> 'getting more ppl ' we can achieve this during testing period 22:39:23 <sdziallas> yep, that's marketing, testing, all that... 22:39:47 <hanthana> we have to meet before starting the testing session 22:39:50 <sdziallas> honestly, I'm not sure, yet: next week would be the 21st. I think we should talk again before beginning the testing, touh. 22:39:56 <sdziallas> *though 22:39:58 <sdziallas> yep. 22:40:42 <hanthana> ok 21st fine for me 22:40:57 <hanthana> rdieter: ongolaBoy: sdziallas: any idea? 22:41:43 <sdziallas> well, let's note the 21st for the moment. I cannot promise that it will work for me, yet, but I think it should. 22:41:50 <sdziallas> (if the others agree) 22:42:03 <ongolaBoy> hum... i can't give a date because i'm not very available ;choose date that fit to you 22:42:11 <ongolaBoy> any date i mean 22:43:39 <sdziallas> okay? 21st for now? 22:43:53 <ongolaBoy> . 22:44:34 <sdziallas> there we go. we might reconsider it again, if it doesn't fit for anybody. well... is that it? are we done? 22:45:07 <hanthana> ok 22:45:31 <sdziallas> thanks everybody for attending! 22:45:45 <hanthana> thanks all! 22:45:45 <sdziallas> :) 22:45:58 <hanthana> lets make a good spin for the community!! 22:46:03 <ongolaBoy> i appreciate your efforts 22:46:19 <sdziallas> yeah! :) 22:46:22 <sdziallas> so I'd say... 22:46:23 <sdziallas> 5 22:46:23 <sdziallas> 4 22:46:24 <sdziallas> 3 22:46:26 <sdziallas> 2 22:46:27 <sdziallas> 1 22:46:32 <sdziallas> 1/2 22:46:43 <sdziallas> = meeting adjourned =

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New meeting. Tomorrow. Meet you then.
by Sebastian Dziallas 13 Jan '09

13 Jan '09

Well, it has been quite some time since the last official meeting and we felt that it was time for a new one! So if you're interested or would just like to see what's going on, head over to #fedora-edu on... Wednesday, January 14 at 1600 UTC Yeah, that's tomorrow! So if you want to check out the agenda, please go here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education/Meetings/2009-01-14 If you've anything to add, feel free to do so on the wiki. This is an important step in outlining and discussing our plans for F11! --Sebastian

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LTSP5 (fc9-chroot on RHEL5) : Local devices ?
by Reinald Gfuellner 13 Jan '09

13 Jan '09

Sound works great but I can't access an USB-Stick in fedora9-ltsp-chroot on native RHEL5.2. On the server: - fuse-Module was loaded by hand On the client: - /dev/sda1 can be mounted by hand - no /tmp/drives - ltspd runs (though there is no ltspinfod like in k12ltsp ) In a gnome session: - /usr/bin/ltspfs client1:/dev/sda1 /tmp/mnt : "Couldn't read LTPFS TOLKEN atom." - no ~/Drives Is there an Explanation how PnP should work ? Thanks for any hint ! Reinald RHEL5.2 ltsp-server-5.1.13-2.el5.rpm http://people.redhat.com/wtogami/temp/fedora9-ltsp-chroot-20080912.tar.bz2

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all Apps in Fedora Edu spin
by Danishka Navin 02 Jan '09

02 Jan '09

I have created a wiki page [1] to include all Apps in Fedora Edu spin. Feel free to full software list. [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education/AllApps Danishka

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