2016-05-31 15:43 GMT+02:00 Giannis Konstantinidis <giannis(a)konstantinidis.cc
>:
> Hello Robert,
>
> thanks for reaching out.
>
> On May 25, 2016 at 10:15 AM Robert Mayr <robyduck(a)fedoraproject.org>
> wrote:
>
> Hi mentors, dear FAmSCo,
> I followed a bit the last changes about mentoring status and reorganizing
> the mentoring process overall, and some ideas are really interesting and
> FAmSCo could come up with nice proposals soon.
> Nevertheless, until we do not change anything, our steps for ongoing
> ambassadors are still the same, and I guess will also remain the same. Our
> job is to follow and help ambassadors to find their way into the group,
> making sure they are ready to do a good job.
>
> I'm currently working on a proposal to "restructure" the current mentoring
> process. However exams are coming and my time is limited, so please bear
> with me.
>
You? I guess FAmSCo is working on it, not a single person.
> Recently new mentors joined us (welcome to all), so this mail also has the
> goal to remember the new mentors we have a process and precise steps to
> follow [1].
>
> Thank you! I can assure you I am well aware of the process. :)
>
> But I also think a mentoring process of 7 hours is just....hmmm...too
> short, we cannot base our sponsoring to "believing" or "feeling", even if
> we have experienced contributors. All contributors are different and I
> think some of them can be sponsored within a few days, but only if we have
> obvious contributions and stuff in other groups. I stumbled over this 7
> hour ticket [2], but in this case I don't find notable contributions at all.
>
> What makes you think that was a seven (7) hours mentoring process? Relying
> on a few time-stamps does not necessarily prove anything.
>
Look at the ticket, it has been opened and closed within 7 hours. I don't
need to look at anything else to "prove" it.
> I have known that person for several years, I know his work both inside
> and outside the Fedora Project. We initiated the mentoring process about
> one and a half month ago. However, as you do very well remember, I had been
> waiting to be officially appointed as a mentor for more than 9 months. And
> even when I got the status on FAS, I had permission issues in opening a
> ticket on the FAMA trac - Joerg Simon can confirm. In the meantime, I
> scheduled a final "interview" with the candidate on Telegram - logs can be
> provided. He passed, so at this point I was just waiting for Joerg to fix
> my account permissions. Once we got past this, I just opened the ticket -as
> per the process- and immediately sponsored the candidate.
>
> There has been no wrongdoing here.
>
> Robert, is this getting personal? You have never reached out to me about
> the case. Instead, you chose to cross-post on two public mailing lists. Why
> would you do that?
>
Why should I reach out to you? My question was generic and I wanted to hear
other's opinions. So the FAMA list and overall the FAmSCo list are the
right destinations and also it is nor cross-posting. These are different
lists, crossposting is something else.
> To my eyes, you are merely trying to set this case (#2178) as a bad
> example of mentoring, although you have no actual clue about what took
> place in the background.
>
> Is it that what we want? Is it just, I know a mentor, so he will sponsor
> me immediately? Not that I want to raise a wall for ongoing ambassadors
> they never will pass, but we should make sure we have people out there who
> know exactly what to say to end users during events.
>
> Okay, Robert, this is getting ridiculous.
>
> The person who got sponsored in #2178 knows -exactly- what to say to the
> end users during events, otherwise I wouldn't have him sponsored. You can
> also speak to him directly to find out yourself. :)
>
> Next time, please do take a few minutes to ask before jumping into
> assumptions. Thank you.
> -Giannis
>
Oh, you think it is personal, but I don't permit anyone, moreover you, to
define me or anything I'm doing as ridiculous.
I feel you just needed a title to permit yourself to do what you want.
Mentoring is a hard job and takes a lot of time if you want to do it well.
Personally I always had the goal to prepare people as best I could, to be
able to organize an event or to answer end-user questions the right way. I
also know there are some mentors who are doing much better than me, and
that is where we all should aim to. If you get this as ridiculous and want
to say just "he is ready and did a lot of contributions (nobody can find)",
then I don't want to loose time trying to get my mentoring process better
and more effective. It is not worth to have different thoughts of when
people are ready and when not, and this is also going against our plan to
make some generic steps all mentors should follow during the mentoring
process.
That said, I feel eventual work I'll do as mentor has become worthless at
this point. Mentoring was never a status for me, it is a honor and I wanted
to help ongoing ambassadors finding the best way to get into the
ambassadors group.
To be consistent with what I'm saying I'll step down as mentor and wish you
good luck with your new mentoring process.
--
Robert Mayr
(robyduck)
