On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 12:47:34PM -0500, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote:

On 2016-05-20 09:04, Richard Fontana wrote:

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Does anyone happen to know when precisely the old Fedora CLA (not the current FPCA) began to be used? The presumably ancestral Apache Software Foundation Individual CLA was adopted by the ASF on 2004-06-23, which was in between the release of Fedora Core 2 and Fedora Core 3.

So my understanding is that the CLA was put in place as a requirement of CVS access during development/merger of Fedora Extras 3 (previous versions were hosted by the external fedora.us project). You'd think there would be some big announcement about this somewhere, but I haven't found it yet.

At this point there didn't seem to be a procedure in place:

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-extras-list/2005-January/msg00046.htm...

An interim procedure arose shortly thereafter, but implies that no non-RH packagers had CVS access yet:

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-extras-list/2005-February/msg00208.ht...

The earliest mentions of the CLA I could find were:

http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-extras-list/2005-March/msg00046.html

Also, without mentioning the CLA by name: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-extras-list/2005-March/msg00350.html

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-extras-list/2005-March/msg00830.html

The process was already automated the following month:

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-extras-list/2005-April/msg00495.html

Very helpful, thank you!

Richard

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 02:01:42PM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote:

On Friday, May 20, 2016 10:04:08 AM CDT Richard Fontana wrote:

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Hi,

Does anyone happen to know when precisely the old Fedora CLA (not the current FPCA) began to be used? The presumably ancestral Apache Software Foundation Individual CLA was adopted by the ASF on 2004-06-23, which was in between the release of Fedora Core 2 and Fedora Core 3.

Richard

Do you want the mail in CLA we started with? or some of the itterations after?

The earliest use of the agreement matching or approximating the one preserved here, whether the procedure was mail-in or otherwise: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Licenses/CLA

If there was a substantively different CLA or other comparable legal instrument in use before adoption of that one, that would also be interesting to know. I've been assuming that that document was the one used from inception.

It seems as though there is no known recorded public announcement or discussion of the introduction of the CLA requirement, which is odd.

Richard

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 04:25:44PM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote:

http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-November/msg01170.html mentions there will be one. the thread at http://www.redhat.com/archives/ fedora-devel-list/2004-November/msg01170.html announces cvs being open and says that legal details are still being worked out. I am failing at finding the email that went out when admin.fedora.redhat.com/accounts went up and people could sign up for accounts

Excellent, thanks!

Richard

gOn Sat, May 21, 2016 at 03:03:48PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:

I have mine. It's from May 11, 2005. I'll send it when I'm on a better internet connection.

Sorry, March, not May.

On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 02:47:16PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:

Attached. As you can see, it's personalized to me. That may explain why no public annoucment is easily findable — everyone got a personal, unique email instead.

Thanks. This seems to be essentially the same document as the Fedora CLA that preceded adoption of the present-day FPCA.

Richard