spins January 2009

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[spin-kickstarts] #3: Compose All Approved Kickstarts
by fedora-badges 09 Jul '10

09 Jul '10

#3: Compose All Approved Kickstarts ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Reporter: kanarip | Owner: kanarip Type: defect | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 10 Beta Component: kickstart pool | Keywords: ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Compose all approved kickstarts for F-10-Beta and create tickets for failed composes -- Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/spin-kickstarts/ticket/3> spin-kickstarts <https://fedorahosted.org/spin-kickstarts/> Kickstarts that the Spin SIG reviews, tests, maintains and releases (as a package).

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[spin-kickstarts] #18: fedora-livedvd-developer.ks fails to compose
by fedora-badges 05 Mar '09

05 Mar '09

#18: fedora-livedvd-developer.ks fails to compose ------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- Reporter: rishi | Owner: Type: defect | Status: new Priority: critical | Milestone: Fedora 10 GA Component: fedora-developer | Keywords: ------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- fedora-livedvd-developer.ks contains sysprof, which has been removed from Fedora to Livna because it needs a kernel module. Due to this the spin fails to compose. The attached patch fixes this issue. -- Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/spin-kickstarts/ticket/18> spin-kickstarts <https://fedorahosted.org/spin-kickstarts/> Kickstarts that the Spin SIG reviews, tests, maintains and releases (as a package).

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[spin-kickstarts] #7: Education Math Live CD Oversized
by fedora-badges 05 Mar '09

05 Mar '09

#7: Education Math Live CD Oversized -----------------------------------+---------------------------------------- Reporter: kanarip | Owner: sdz Type: defect | Status: new Priority: critical | Milestone: Fedora 10 Beta Component: fedora-education-math | Keywords: -----------------------------------+---------------------------------------- The ISO at http://spinner.fedoraunity.org/revisor/rawhide-x86_64-live- education-math-respin/ is 786M, too large for a CD -- Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/spin-kickstarts/ticket/7> spin-kickstarts <https://fedorahosted.org/spin-kickstarts/> Kickstarts that the Spin SIG reviews, tests, maintains and releases (as a package).

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[spin-kickstarts] #19: Branch off F-11-Alpha
by fedora-badges 29 Jan '09

29 Jan '09

#19: Branch off F-11-Alpha ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Reporter: kanarip | Owner: kanarip Type: task | Status: new Priority: critical | Milestone: Fedora 11 Alpha Component: kickstart pool | Keywords: ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Branch off F-11-Alpha -- Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/spin-kickstarts/ticket/19> spin-kickstarts <https://fedorahosted.org/spin-kickstarts/> Kickstarts that the Spin SIG reviews, tests, maintains and releases (as a package).

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Re: [Fedora-spins] Games Spin Status
by Bruno Wolff III 24 Jan '09

24 Jan '09

This is pretty useful, I am going to try to tie this into a thread on the spins list which might end up looking weird for threading. On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 14:10:55 -0600, Callum Lerwick <seg(a)haxxed.com> wrote: > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 6:35 AM, Bruno Wolff III <bruno(a)wolff.to> wrote: > > It would be especially useful to hear from people that have estimates on how > > many Windows users that are likely to try out Fedora spins are likely to > > be using vfat on their C: drive. > > According to the latest Steam hardware survey: > > http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/ > > 97.33% of users are using NTFS. (Click "Other settings" on the bottom) > > Really the only worry I see is that 4GB+ images probably won't work > for Live USB. USB sticks are usually FAT, and I think the Live USB > system requires it, as it uses syslinux. Booting Live USB off NTFS or > ext2 should be possible to implement. NTFS patches for GRUB exist, but > Fedora's GRUB doesn't seem to have them: > > http://www.geocities.com/lode_leroy/grubinstall/ Grub also allows its files to be referenced by block numbers. That could be used to work around loading the grub config file. I don't think getting people to reformat their usb drives is that big of a deal. They can copy stuff off, format it, and then copy stuff back. The issue is getting it to work both as liveusb and still letting it be used under windows for moving files around.

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The magic 4GiB squashfs filesize limit
by Jeroen van Meeuwen 23 Jan '09

23 Jan '09

During our last meeting, we did not have enough time to address all items on our agenda, so I'm creating a bunch of threads where we can start discussing some of the topics that we missed, so that we may have a smoother meeting next time, and can actually address current spins and spin review requests. This thread concerns the 4GiB squashfs filesize limit, which will cause the DVD .iso file to be over 4GiB as well. There's one basic argument to make against a DVD .iso file being over 4GiB, and that is that users downloading the DVD .iso file to a vfat filesystem cannot go over the magic 4GB filesize limit. Note that it really is the .iso file size we're talking about, and we really don't care about the >4GB squashfs image; it just so happens that if the contents of a .iso go >4GB, the .iso will go >4GB ;-) This particular issue is raised by the Games Spin, which I consider one of the first downloads for a Windows user who may or may not be using vfat still. Lots of (Windows) people want to see what Games are available on Linux, right? A relatively greater portion of these Windows users (then say, Linux users) may still be using vfat, and that's what I'm concerned with. Also note that our x86_64 installation DVD is oversized in this aspect as well. I wanted to vote on this during our last meeting. Either we block >4GB spins, or we allow them. So, the vote becomes: Do we allow .iso files over 4GB? Please allow for a discussion if necessary, and then vote, so you do not have to change your vote after someone made you change your opinion ;-) Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip

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Geo Spin patch to spins-kickstart
by Yaakov Nemoy 22 Jan '09

22 Jan '09

Hey All Attached is a kickstart to do the Geo Spin. In short, it just picks the packages that are good for doing Geo Stuff. In long, it doesn't actually work that well yet. One of the more important tools, JOSM is only available in the Open Suse Build service, and has dependencies that are not in fedora. In order to make this work, you'll have to comment out josm and garmintools for now. -Yaakov

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Spins SIG Meeting Minutes 19-01-2009
by Jeroen van Meeuwen 22 Jan '09

22 Jan '09

These are the meeting minutes for our last meeting, and as you can see there's lots of stuff to do still, even some of our agenda items needed to be moved to our mailing list or to the next meeting. The minutes are also available on the meeting wiki page at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_SIG_Meeting_2009-01-19 Before the week is over, you'll see some threads on our Spins SIG list ;-) Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip PS: Can someone point me to the irc2html log converter? = Meeting Minutes = == Attendees == * [[User:Kanarip|Jeroen van Meeuwen]] * [[User:Bkearney|Bryan Kearney]] * [[User:Bruno|Bruno Wolff]] * [[User:Poelcat|John Poelstra]] * [[User:Notting|Bill Nottingham]] * [[User:Nirik|Kevin Fenzi]] * [[User:Jwb|Josh Boyer]] * [[User:Sundaram|Rahul Sundaram]] * [[User:Huff|David Huff]] * [[User:Igor|Igor Pires Soares]] == Spins Process == * [[User:Kanarip]]: Q&A * bkearney: Accepted means "will be composed and released through Release Engineering"? ** kanarip: Accepted means it'll be handed off to Release Engineering to be composed and released, and get a torrent and page on spins.fedoraproject.org ** poelcat: If it does not fail testing * bruno: No wiki name space described for the Spins pages ** kanarip: /Foo_Spin or SIGs/Education/Education_Live_Spin ** nirik: $name_Spin would be better as wiki hates /'s * bkearney: If trademark is not accepted, it is not a spin? ** kanarip: then it's a "Fedora Remix", and goes back to category Incomplete_Spin, yes * kanarip: Take the process up for vote now, get people to draft up the details and review in 2 weeks * kanarip: Vote is: Do you agree with the process set forth in the Spins_Process wiki page, bearing in mind some of the details still need to be filled out? ** kanarip, bkearney, nirik, bruno, notting, huff, igorps, poelcat: +1 ** Vote passed * kanarip: i need 1-3 volunteers who can take on the details on the process, the 5 sub-items for agenda item #1 ** bryan, bruno, kanarip taking on the details on Spins_Process, up for review and voting during our next meeting in two weeks == Action Items == * Create details pages up for review in our next meeting (bkearney, bruno, kanarip) == Meeting Time and Schedule == * kanarip: Does the current time and schedule work for most of us? ** SIG: Yes * kanarip: Meeting time and schedule set until someone brings it up again == Determining the Spins SIG workflow == * kanarip: i'd like to see a more formalized set of tasks to be performed by the Spins SIG and the spin maintainers, so that we know when to branch off GIT, what to branch, what to compose(-test), what to expect from spin maintainers, etc. ** huff, bruno; since the process details are not there yet, part of the timeline and such isn't available to formalize == Process of recurring releases == * The question is whether Spins that have been approved for Fedora N-1 need to get trademark approval again * The question also is what to do with the Wiki pages? ** nirik: How about they have to add a page for each release, but can automagically pass some steps? board approval? spins sig approval? ** kanarip: poelcat and myself have thought of a way to maintain the same page for different releases, linking to the release-specific revision of that page. ** poelcat: Overview pages would have to be modified ** kanarip: Category: package are overview pages ** ianweller chimes in but since there's only 10 minutes left, we need to take this to the fedora-wiki mailing list == Action Items == * kanarip to take the recurring releases process wiki tracking discussion to the fedora-wiki mailing list == Media larger then 4GB == * A vote was started, but due to the time constraint it didn't pass nor fail * kanarip suggested bruno strips the Games spin to under 4GiB for now, so that it is not an issue, and revisit for Beta == Action Item == * kanarip to put the 4GiB limit on the Agenda for the next meeting == Current Spins == * Call for volunteers to check the current spin pages and add them to the appropriate category is moved to mailing list.

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BrOffice.org Spins Page copied / relocated
by Jeroen van Meeuwen 21 Jan '09

21 Jan '09

Hi Igor, For Fedora 11 and the BrOffice.org spin, I've copied the contents off of the Features page to a new location for the BrOffice.org Spin, e.g.: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BrOffice.org_Spin Could you please update that page with any relevant information that I may have missed, and see to it the Features page is no longer touched, and the new Spins page is used (e.g. communicate with co-maintainers and such)? If you have any questions, please don't hesitate and ask. Thank you in advance, Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip PS. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Process is the new process for spins.

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Current (Fedora 10) Spins
by Jeroen van Meeuwen 21 Jan '09

21 Jan '09

I'd like a review of the pages for the current (Fedora 10) spins, bearing in mind that: 1) For Fedora 11, a $name_Spin page should be created from the Spins_New_Spin_Page_Template, and added to Category:Incomplete_Spins 2) Maintainers need to be notified their spin now has a different page, and some details need to be filled out 3) Maintainers will need to get familiar with the Spins_Process as we have approved it, so that they know what to do when they think their Spins page is ready for review and such. Obviously this should just be little effort since these spins have been approved before, but nonetheless we'd like to stick with the process until we've figured out a more efficient way to deal with recurring releases for a given Spin. Below is a summary of current spins and new spins requests for Fedora 11, and if we all agree on the $name_Spin naming convention for wiki pages, that's what we're going to use. == Current (Fedora 10) Spins == I've copied the contents of the BrOffice.org page into the new Spins Page for that Spin, just to give an example. === Fedora AOS === * New page already created at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AOS_Spin === Fedora BrOffice.Org === * Old page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/BrOffice.orgSpin * New page should be at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BrOffice.org_Spin (sample exists in the new location) * Maintainer (igor) to be notified of the change. === Fedora Desktop === * Permanent Spin === Fedora Education Math === * Moved into Fedora Education for Fedora 11 === Fedora KDE === * Permanent Spin === Fedora XFCE === * Old page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Xfce/XfceLive * New page should be at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/XFCE_Spin * Maintainer(s) should be notified === Fedora Developer === * Old page unknown * New page should be at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Developer_Spin * Maintainer(s) should be notified (Developer SIG at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Development) === Fedora Electronic Lab === * Old page at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FedoraElectronicLab * New page should be at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ElectronicLab_Spin * Maintainer(s) should be notified === Fedora Games === * Bruno is already taking care of this one == New Spin Requests == === Fedora Sugar === * No old page * New page should be at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Sugar_Spin * Maintainer(s) should be notified === Fedora Geo Spin === * Old page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ynemoy/Fedora_Geo_Spin * Should be at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Geo_Spin * Maintainer(s) need to be notified

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