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FC5T1 VMWare Image
by Simon B 29 Nov '05

29 Nov '05

Hi list, Since some people don't have a spare box to test FC5T1 on, I've put up a Fedora Core 5 test 1 VMWare image for people to play with. You can load it in VMWare Player. It's a snapshot taken immediately after the default install, choosing all the defaults, but before the machine is restarted, so firstboot config has not yet run. You can download using the torrent from http://tinyurl.com/cqw4r or linked from www.thoughtpolice.co.uk/vmware/ The root password is "thoughtpolice". Be careful of bugs though - they might not be Fedora's fault :) Have fun! Simon B

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Automount /etc/auto.net /etc/auto.smb
by MJang 29 Nov '05

29 Nov '05

Just wondering if there is any guidance / docs on the use of these scripts, /etc/auto.net and /etc/auto.smb. I understand that I can run these as executables, e.g. /etc/auto.smb remotesmbserver /etc/auto.net remotenfsserver to find shared directories, but I can't tell how to use the automounter to mount the output, presumably using /smb and /net. Thanks, Mike

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Installation report 2 for beta 1
by John Summerfield 29 Nov '05

29 Nov '05

Same system as before. This time I burned a heap of CDs to try a CD install. Fairly uneventful (I knew what to do about the disk partitioning by now), and the display is much better with "resolution=1280x800" Actually booting was a problem. The system atorebooted about immediately unpacking the kernel. Finding an SMP kernel as the only one was a surprise. No matter, boot CD1 in rescue mode. Eh? No kernel on CD1? Damn, never mind, I'll install off the LAN. Why did that fail? Did that duff signature matter? No? Why's that scriptlet failing? --noscripts doesn't work? some mumble about recon<something> rang a bell. How to I disable selinue? The likely commands get errors. Reboot, selinux=0 and all's well, I can install the kernel and the new kernel boots. I was writing this as the system booted, so I don't know what happened to firstboot; when I turned back to the laptop it was at the GDM login. I've not had a chance to create a user account. Okay, I logged in to create a user account. Quick question, why's "terminal" not in the "Accessories" list where a Windows XP user would expect to find it? I create /home/userd (meaning /home/users) then used to GUI to create "summer" and O iverrode the UID to 1000 and and home to /home/users/summer. There was no error reported (recall /home/users didn't exist) and summer was homeless. Previously, when I've create a user accound on FC/EL systems I've used the CLI tools (useradd|adduser and passwd). When UID 1000 is used, as here, the next UID used it 1001, not 500. I prefer to continue from 1000 (compatible with other distros, those that run from 1000 might break if a sysadmin forced 500). Something needs to be done about wireless. SuSE 10.0 and Ubuntu can both configure my Atheros wireless, Mandriva knw the wiresless there and wanted to ser up ndiswrapper for me: I couldn't coz I don't know where in Windows the driver is, but at least it tried. Fedora Core 5 beta 1 doesn't even know the thing is there, when I try to configure "wireless" the only choice I have is "other wireless" and that leads me to a selection of drivers including NE1000 and many other (not) wireless devices. At the equivalent point in SuSE, Yast recognised the device and asked me to configure it, installed the driver and set it up. I don't recall exactly what Ubuntu did, but the driver was ready installed and it was just a matter of configuring it, just like any network device. There's also the question of the infernal modem. Again, SuSE lead me to it, installed the driver and configured it. I wish to use the Atheros driver; I understand RH won't ship the HAL, but it needs to make it easy for users to implement their right to choose to use it. Same for the internal modem. Ordinary users cannot be expected to have the skills or desire to hunt round the Internet for the driver. I could argue FC5 and EL4 are ready for the desktop, but they certainly are not ready for the laptop. Plugging in a PCMCIA Orinoco 11b wireless card resulted in two! interfaces, neither the eth1 I expected (and get on FC3). Instead, I have wlan0 and wifi0. Further they have the default essid "test" and I cannot set it to "" or "any." Nore can I set the WEP key: # iwconfig wlan0 essid anaglorious key s:secre Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument. There are also lots of these messages: search_node dbd094b4 start_node dbd094b4 return_node 00000000 ACPI-0508: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node dbd098d4), AE_NOT_FOUND ACPI-0339: *** Error: Looking up [Z004] in namespace, AE_NOT_FOUND search_node dbd094b4 start_node dbd094b4 return_node 00000000 ACPI-0508: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node dbd098d4), AE_NOT_FOUND fwiw Ununtu and SuSE have them too. Google showed some discussion on lkml. -- Cheers John -- spambait 1aaaaaaa(a)computerdatasafe.com.au Z1aaaaaaa(a)computerdatasafe.com.au Tourist pics http://portgeographe.environmentaldisasters.cds.merseine.nu/ do not reply off-list

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Re: Up2date replacement
by Don Springall 29 Nov '05

29 Nov '05

>From: Jesse Keating <jkeating(a)j2solutions.net> >Reply-To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases ><fedora-test-list(a)redhat.com> >To: fedora-test-list(a)redhat.com >Subject: Re: Up2date replacement >Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:24:24 -0800 > >On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 10:19 -0800, Dan Hollis wrote: > > > > It would be nice if there were some repository config manager, which > > pulled a master "authoritative" list from somewhere and let you select > > repositories via ncurses/x11/etc. The directory would list the >repository > > name, its intended function, its geographic location and link speeds, > > etc. to make sorting out the whole mess a bit easier. > > > > I have thought about writing such a beast and calling it "yuk" to > > complement "yum" :) > >Such a tool, or such information that the tool uses to get the list of >repos must live outside the scope of Fedora. Fedora tools/content >cannot link to, point to, or otherwise enable the use of repositories >that may include illegal or ForbiddenItems content. > >-- >Jesse Keating RHCE (http://geek.j2solutions.net) Anyone can add repo's to yum now in /etc/yum.repos.d. A lot of people do this to add missing codecs from alternate repositories to play things like MP3 files. Last I heard Fedora was supporting Yum. They just don't want to be party to providing links to sites that may have legal entanglements themselves. They leave that up to the users of yum. How would a tool like this be any different ?

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Installation report 1 for beta 1
by John Summerfield 29 Nov '05

29 Nov '05

Acer Aspire 3503WLMI SiS chipset, shared memory graphics, 1200x800 "Crhystal Brite" display, 512 Mbytes RAM, 80 GB disk, DVD-dl burner Atheros wireless Software modem No floppy No serial As the baseline, SuSE 10 detects all the above and installs drives and attempts to configure everything including dialup. I'm doing a manual install from a local http server, booting from the boot.iso supplied. The first point I wish to make goes to the use of dhcp options. I raised this on anaconda-list, but as I wasn't sufficiently persuasive then I will take it up again. Anaconda/pump can (and last I looked) did set vendor-options. This allows a DHCP client to ask for non-standard information from a DHCP server. DHCP3, a standard part of recent Red Hat/Fedora and many other distributions, and generally available for Unix, can be configured to recognise the vendor options and formulate its reply using that information. "vendor" in this instance means Red Hat: organisation creating the vendor option gets to describe (or not) what specific vendor options are available and what they mean. In the case of Anaconda, it could be used to specify the source of a kickstart file, or to request information to fill in the information required to complete various on-screen forms. In this specific instance, where I am testing/evaluating a new (beta) release, it would be convenient for me to specify the source URI for the installation media, maybe http://fedora.example.lan/beta1/i386/ - and, of course, timezone, keyboard and language choices. Okay, I booted the CD, chose a graphical install, chose language and keyboard, told A where to get the stuff, progressed to the partitioning screen. It's ghastly, see pic: http://redhat.cds.merseine.nu/imgp0474.jpg I muddled my way through that (by double-clicking the Linux paritions and making proper choices), and turned my attention to starting this report. Now, the installation has died and there's a traceback. This brings me to another gripe. I have a scrollable window of four lines. This impossiblly small (and persuaded me to not read the release notes). Someone needs to go to usability school! At the end of the traceback is the message, 'AtttributeError: UrlInstallMethod has no instance of switchMedia." Fortunately, as I'm on a LAN where I have an account, I can "save to remote," but the menu should tell me what the requirements on remote are: it could be mounting NFS, CIFS, maybe using http POST (which makes some sense). I guessed ssh/scp and it seems I was close enough. The dialogue should (clearly) give me a choice of what to call the file on remote, the suggested name should include the host name (for those silly enough to do more than one at once), and then tell me what name was used so I don't have to search (/tmp) for it. A broadband user could be installing straight off the Internet. If I were doing that, I'd have no means of saving the anaconda dump. Additionally, it looks like now I've saved to remote I'm now forced to reboot. I'd like to poke around a little first. Log at http://redhat.cds.merseine.nu/FC5_B1_t1-anacdump.txt Okay, I had a poke around. It seems that A's selected a screen resolution of 800x600 which goes to esplain why it's so hard to use. I've not had a screen in over ten years that couldn't do at least 1024x768. Can't something better be automated/ _I_ _might_ be able to override it from the bootscreen, but not everyone can do that: my boss installs OS X, but that would probably defeat him. Finally, when I allowed the installer to proceed, it said I could safely reboot (as if there were something to reboot to!) but didn't eject the CD. Thoughts on future updates. I was one of those testing the first release of Ubuntu, before going back to when it was called "sounder" and the name "ubuntu" had not been cleared for use. I liked that program. They had daily builds, so there was every prospect that problems reported today were fixed tomorrow or the day after. There were many "betas" I just saw reference to "sounder 8" and as I recall there were warty betas and release candidates after that. To save download time, access was via rsync. It helped that only one CD image was involved, but it would still have worked well with a FC-sided DVD. The team didn't handle it as well as it might, at various times the name of the image changed. For maximum ease of use the images needed to have constant names and locations, so "latest-daily-build.iso" "latest-beta.iso" (once there is a beta) etc. Also, for easy of tracking bugs, each build needs a unique identifyer, in this series, maybe 'FC-4.9.1.1' where the final number increases for each build, the second last for each beta, release candidate and preview. Then testers can download whichever milesstone suits, and the greater sense of action at the ranch promotes a feeling of excitement and involvement. And, judging from the Ubuntu results, the outcome can be pretty spectacular. Postscript I thought to try a wireless network install. Booting with an Orinico 11b card causes a SEGV immediately (in the log) after "Running /sbin/loader" while inserting it later leaves the installer (despite there being no wire in place) insisting on trying to use eth0. -- Cheers John -- spambait 1aaaaaaa(a)computerdatasafe.com.au Z1aaaaaaa(a)computerdatasafe.com.au Tourist pics http://portgeographe.environmentaldisasters.cds.merseine.nu/ do not reply off-list

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Re: Up2date replacement
by Don Springall 28 Nov '05

28 Nov '05

> > Anyone can add repo's to yum now in /etc/yum.repos.d. A lot of people do > > this to add missing codecs from alternate repositories to play things >like > > MP3 files. Last I heard Fedora was supporting Yum. They just don't want >to > > be party to providing links to sites that may have legal entanglements > > themselves. They leave that up to the users of yum. How would a tool >like > > this be any different ? > >if you package and include that list of repos in a package provided from >fedora core/extras then it is contributory infringement > >-sv No one said anything about getting Fedora/extras to package a list of alternate repo's that might contribute to infringement. Just a Gui for adding repos was suggested. Something like what is available now in extras such as kyum-0.7.5-1.

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A Fedora-related job opening (QA/testing)
by Elliot Lee 28 Nov '05

28 Nov '05

Hi all, It'd be great to have the opportunity to work with one of you even more than I currently get to. I won't bore you with a long-winded promo, but if you're interested in being a "Fedora Test Lead/ Sr Quality Assurance Engineer", please see: http://redhat.hrdpt.com/cgi-bin/a/highlightjob.cgi?jobid=772 Please feel free to send me any additional questions you might have about the position, and I'll do my best to get answers. Best, -- Elliot

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RE: Wireless - Intel 2200BG
by Matthew Carter 28 Nov '05

28 Nov '05

It appears that with Kernel 2.6.14 I have to use ipw2200 firmware v2.4 to make use of the wirelss, as soon as I got NetworkManager running (I used to use NetworkManagerInfo &) the wireless was detected and worked sucessfully! Matt

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Gpilot & evolution: not syncing dates
by Roger Grosswiler 28 Nov '05

28 Nov '05

hey, got my pilot up & running. he syncs everything except dates. Is there something wrong with contact? Roger

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4k Stacks
by Don Springall 28 Nov '05

28 Nov '05

I have been reading and article (http://lwn.net/Articles/159934/) that is advocating doing away with 4k stacks in the kernel in the 2.6.16 release. I currently rely on the kernel Hacking option to use 8k stacks so my stupid Linksys WPC54g wireless card will work with a Linuxant version of ndiswrapper. Is Redhat going in this direction as well ?

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