Yesterdays update of my test machine brought it to Fedora 14, but I would rather follow the F13 line. I understand the No_Frozen_Rawhide effort, but did I miss the branch point to follow F13 instead moving further with rawhide?
BTW: Is it not too soon to call it Fedora 14? Would it not be better to use at least in /etc/issue something like Rawhide or Fedora 13.90? I know of a newbie users reporting me problems with Fedora in past - they enabled the rawhide repo and were happily using Fedora <stable>+1. Now I can imagine users comming and reporting even Fedora <stable>+2 issues, while even <stable>+1 is not released.
Adam Pribyl
On Sun, 2010-02-28 at 09:29 +0100, Adam Pribyl wrote:
Yesterdays update of my test machine brought it to Fedora 14, but I would rather follow the F13 line. I understand the No_Frozen_Rawhide effort, but did I miss the branch point to follow F13 instead moving further with rawhide?
BTW: Is it not too soon to call it Fedora 14? Would it not be better to use at least in /etc/issue something like Rawhide or Fedora 13.90? I know of a newbie users reporting me problems with Fedora in past - they enabled the rawhide repo and were happily using Fedora <stable>+1. Now I can imagine users comming and reporting even Fedora <stable>+2 issues, while even <stable>+1 is not released.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_Frozen_Rawhide_Implementation
On Sun, 28 Feb 2010, Mike Chambers wrote:
On Sun, 2010-02-28 at 09:29 +0100, Adam Pribyl wrote:
Yesterdays update of my test machine brought it to Fedora 14, but I would rather follow the F13 line. I understand the No_Frozen_Rawhide effort, but did I miss the branch point to follow F13 instead moving further with rawhide?
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_Frozen_Rawhide_Implementation
Sorry if it is not obvious, but I've read it. But I still do not see a description what should be done to remain on an F13 track instead jumping to F14. Do I understand ir correctly that I've crossed the point of no return and I can not test F13 anymore (without reinstallation, which I am not willing to do)?
-- Mike Chambers
Adam Pribyl
On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 08:14:48PM +0100, Adam Pribyl wrote:
On Sun, 28 Feb 2010, Mike Chambers wrote:
On Sun, 2010-02-28 at 09:29 +0100, Adam Pribyl wrote:
Yesterdays update of my test machine brought it to Fedora 14, but I would rather follow the F13 line. I understand the No_Frozen_Rawhide effort, but did I miss the branch point to follow F13 instead moving further with rawhide?
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_Frozen_Rawhide_Implementation
Sorry if it is not obvious, but I've read it. But I still do not see a description what should be done to remain on an F13 track instead jumping to F14.
I would expect that it is enough to install fedora-release-13-0.6 instead of fedora-release-14-0.3 which you have now. 'rpm -U --oldpackage ....' should do but editing of /etc/fedora-release likely be helpful for a start. After that try 'yum update'.
Do I understand ir correctly that I've crossed the point of no return and I can not test F13 anymore (without reinstallation, which I am not willing to do)?
Not really but you may end up with some packages where you need to install a different version and some "manual" fiddling may be required. See 'man yum' and look for 'downgrade' to help you with that.
Michal
On Mon, 1 Mar 2010, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 08:14:48PM +0100, Adam Pribyl wrote:
On Sun, 28 Feb 2010, Mike Chambers wrote:
On Sun, 2010-02-28 at 09:29 +0100, Adam Pribyl wrote:
Yesterdays update of my test machine brought it to Fedora 14, but I would rather follow the F13 line. I understand the No_Frozen_Rawhide effort, but did I miss the branch point to follow F13 instead moving further with rawhide?
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_Frozen_Rawhide_Implementation
Sorry if it is not obvious, but I've read it. But I still do not see a description what should be done to remain on an F13 track instead jumping to F14.
I would expect that it is enough to install fedora-release-13-0.6 instead of fedora-release-14-0.3 which you have now. 'rpm -U --oldpackage ....' should do but editing of /etc/fedora-release likely be helpful for a start. After that try 'yum update'.
Do I understand ir correctly that I've crossed the point of no return and I can not test F13 anymore (without reinstallation, which I am not willing to do)?
Not really but you may end up with some packages where you need to install a different version and some "manual" fiddling may be required. See 'man yum' and look for 'downgrade' to help you with that.
So for those wishing to waste the same amount of time and bandwidth I did:
rpm -Uvh --oldpackage fedora-release-13-0.6.noarch.rpm rpm -qa --queryformat "%{NAME} %{RELEASE}\n" | grep fc14 | sort | \ cut -f1 -d\ | xargs yum -y downgrade
is base to get back to f13 track.
Michal
Adam Pribyl
On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 09:29:01 +0100, Adam Pribyl pribyl@lowlevel.cz wrote:
BTW: Is it not too soon to call it Fedora 14? Would it not be better to use at least in /etc/issue something like Rawhide or Fedora 13.90? I know of a newbie users reporting me problems with Fedora in past - they enabled the rawhide repo and were happily using Fedora <stable>+1. Now I can imagine users comming and reporting even Fedora <stable>+2 issues, while even <stable>+1 is not released.
It makes more sense to call it F14 than F13.90 because that is what it is, even if in a prerelease state. I prefer over 'rawhide' as its slightly more precise in case it's near switchover and someone might be pulling from mirrors that haven't switched yet. Sticking the string 'rawhide' in there somewhere might be a good idea. But I noticed that updates don't replace /etc/issue by default. You get an rpmnew file, so changing the text that isn't grabbed externally (using \ codes) probably won't happen in the cases where people might be confused.
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