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Oh God! More helpful software :-).
by Tom Horsley 10 Nov '20

10 Nov '20

For as long as I can remember I've run dnf update in a root xterm and when all the akmod activity and wot-not is finished, I've run reboot from another terminal. Now, it won't reboot "because root is logged in". Gah! Who cares if root is logged in? Can I disable this helpful feature any way?

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Deprecating SCP
by Jakub Jelen 10 Nov '20

10 Nov '20

Hi Fedora users! Over the last years, there were several issues in the SCP protocol, which lead us into discussions if we can get rid of it in upstream [1]. Most of the voices there said that they use SCP mostly for simple ad-hoc copy and because sftp utility does not provide simple interface to copy one or couple of files back and forth and because of people are just used to write scp rather than sftp. Some months ago, I wrote a patch [2] for scp to use SFTP internally (with possibility to change it back using -M scp) and ran it through some successful testing. The general feedback from upstream was also quite positive so I would like to hear also opinions from our users. It still has some limitations (missing -3 support, it will not work if the server does not run sftp subsystem, ...), but it should be good enough for most common use cases. Today, I set up a copr repository with the current openssh from Fedora + the patch [2] for anyone to test and provide feedback, either here on the mailing list, or in the github PR according to ones preferences. I am looking for any kind of feedback from the idea through the usability, implementation. Is this something you would like to see in Fedora soon? Do you have something against this? Is your use case missing? [1] https://lists.mindrot.org/pipermail/openssh-unix-dev/2020-June/038594.html [2] https://github.com/openssh/openssh-portable/pull/194/ [3] https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/jjelen/openssh-sftp/ Thanks, -- Jakub Jelen Senior Software Engineer Crypto Team, Security Engineering Red Hat, Inc.

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newbie question
by David 10 Nov '20

10 Nov '20

Is Fedora 32 more stable than 33 or vice versa, as on November, 2020? If a user were to take present state of Rawhide, but not update risky packages, would there be any benefit to that ? Meaning to manually update, skipping some packages. Are some Desktop Environments in Fedora more stable ? What are some packages that are the most risky to update ? systemd ? mesa ? kernel ? David Locklear

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Have I bricked a PC?
by Beartooth 09 Nov '20

09 Nov '20

I have a DVD with F 33 Live, in the drawer of an oldish machine. I can't get it to boot from the DVD. It was originally a System 76, which came with Ubuntu. I had to get help to switch it to Fedora, but it's been OK till now. (I've been doing system upgrades with dnf; but that doesn't work any more. The first display on boot says American Megatrends, copyright 2015. This is the machine, discussed here in a thread beginning October 30, about a transaction test error. The conclusion was that I had allocated space badly in F 32, and might as well install F 33 from scratch. That's what I'm trying to do. I've been running Fedora since it came out; if I can get this thing to boot from the live DVD, I ought to be able to install it to the hard drive. But the boot options are innumerable -- most of them apparently not connected with the BIOS, if there still is one. Is there hope? What info do I need to post?? -- Beartooth Staffwright, Not Quite Clueless Remember I know little (precious little!) of where up is.

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New parallel port card won't work
by ToddAndMargo 09 Nov '20

09 Nov '20

Hi All, Here we go again. I now have a Siig JJ-E01211-S1 Single Parallel Port PCIe Card https://stage.siig.com/products/it-products/serial-parallel/parallel/pcie/s… System Requirements: ... Linux kernel 2.6 and later version Works with Linux but not supported And Printer Admin and CUPS do not find it. Troubleshooting: 1) connected a USB to Parallel converter card. Printer work fine 2) boot off of Fedora-Xfce-Live-x86_64-33-1.2.iso. Printer admin still can't find the card. 3) With # modprobe -r lp # modprobe -r parport_pc # modprobe parport_pc io=0x378 irq=11 # modprobe lp the card does show up and you can print to it, but the jobs instantly disappear and nothing shows on the printer's status screen What next? -T Here is some data on the card # udevadm info --attribute-walk /dev/lp0 Unknown device "/dev/lp0": No such device # lspci -nn | grep -i moschip 01:00.0 Parallel controller [0701]: MosChip Semiconductor Technology Ltd. MCS9900 Multi-I/O Controller [9710:9900] # lspci -vv -s 01:00.0 01:00.0 Parallel controller: MosChip Semiconductor Technology Ltd. MCS9900 Multi-I/O Controller (prog-if 03 [IEEE1284]) Subsystem: Device a000:2000 Control: I/O- Mem- BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx- Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx- Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 11 Region 0: I/O ports at e010 [disabled] [size=8] Region 1: I/O ports at e000 [disabled] [size=8] Region 2: Memory at ac001000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [disabled] [size=4K] Region 5: Memory at ac000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [disabled] [size=4K] Capabilities: [50] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+ Address: 0000000000000000 Data: 0000 Capabilities: [78] Power Management version 3 Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1- D2- AuxCurrent=375mA PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot+,D3cold+) Status: D0 NoSoftRst+ PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME- Capabilities: [80] Express (v1) Legacy Endpoint, MSI 00 DevCap: MaxPayload 512 bytes, PhantFunc 0, Latency L0s <1us, L1 <2us ExtTag- AttnBtn- AttnInd- PwrInd- RBE+ FLReset- DevCtl: CorrErr- NonFatalErr- FatalErr- UnsupReq- RlxdOrd+ ExtTag- PhantFunc- AuxPwr- NoSnoop+ MaxPayload 128 bytes, MaxReadReq 512 bytes DevSta: CorrErr+ NonFatalErr- FatalErr- UnsupReq+ AuxPwr- TransPend- LnkCap: Port #1, Speed 2.5GT/s, Width x1, ASPM L0s L1, Exit Latency L0s <64ns, L1 <1us ClockPM+ Surprise- LLActRep- BwNot- ASPMOptComp- LnkCtl: ASPM Disabled; RCB 64 bytes Disabled- CommClk- ExtSynch- ClockPM+ AutWidDis- BWInt- AutBWInt- LnkSta: Speed 2.5GT/s (ok), Width x1 (ok) TrErr- Train- SlotClk- DLActive- BWMgmt- ABWMgmt- Capabilities: [100 v1] Virtual Channel Caps: LPEVC=0 RefClk=100ns PATEntryBits=1 Arb: Fixed- WRR32- WRR64- WRR128- Ctrl: ArbSelect=Fixed Status: InProgress- VC0: Caps: PATOffset=00 MaxTimeSlots=1 RejSnoopTrans- Arb: Fixed- WRR32- WRR64- WRR128- TWRR128- WRR256- Ctrl: Enable+ ID=0 ArbSelect=Fixed TC/VC=ff Status: NegoPending- InProgress- VC1: Caps: PATOffset=00 MaxTimeSlots=1 RejSnoopTrans- Arb: Fixed- WRR32- WRR64- WRR128- TWRR128- WRR256- Ctrl: Enable- ID=0 ArbSelect=Fixed TC/VC=00 Status: NegoPending- InProgress- Capabilities: [800 v1] Advanced Error Reporting UESta: DLP- SDES- TLP- FCP- CmpltTO- CmpltAbrt- UnxCmplt- RxOF- MalfTLP- ECRC- UnsupReq- ACSViol- UEMsk: DLP- SDES- TLP- FCP- CmpltTO- CmpltAbrt- UnxCmplt- RxOF- MalfTLP- ECRC- UnsupReq- ACSViol- UESvrt: DLP+ SDES+ TLP- FCP+ CmpltTO- CmpltAbrt- UnxCmplt- RxOF+ MalfTLP+ ECRC- UnsupReq- ACSViol- CESta: RxErr- BadTLP- BadDLLP- Rollover- Timeout- AdvNonFatalErr+ CEMsk: RxErr- BadTLP- BadDLLP- Rollover- Timeout- AdvNonFatalErr+ AERCap: First Error Pointer: 00, ECRCGenCap- ECRCGenEn- ECRCChkCap- ECRCChkEn- MultHdrRecCap- MultHdrRecEn- TLPPfxPres- HdrLogCap- HeaderLog: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Any better gnome-system-monitor?
by ToddAndMargo 08 Nov '20

08 Nov '20

Hi All, I have been using gnome-system-monitor, but it does not show CPU usages when CPU's are tied up with system interrupts. htop does, but it is not GUI based. Anyone have a favorite GUI that will give me accurate CPU usage? Many thanks, -T

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Fonts wrong size and not displaying properly after upgrade to F33
by Stephen Morris 08 Nov '20

08 Nov '20

Hi, When Thunderbird highlights a mail line in, say, my inbox the bottom of the highlight bar is right on the bottom of the text making it look like the bottom of the text is chopped off. The same situation happens with icon labels on the desktop. Also the text in the taskbar entries for running applications is completely garbled and in konsole the cursor displays two to three characters past the end of the character being typed in. I'm using version 84.0a1 of Thunderbird. I'm using KDE in xorg. I haven't tried KDE in Wayland now have I tried any of the Gnome options as yet and I'm using gdm as my display manager. Has anybody seen this issue with F33 after an upgrade from F32, or know what I can look at to rectify the situation? regards, Steve

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XOrg does not start automatically after switching to KDE
by Sreyan Chakravarty 08 Nov '20

08 Nov '20

Hi, I just switched to KDE, but when I now start my laptop the KDE display manager does not automatically start with boot. It halts at : localhost login: I have to manually type in my user and password, then issue the command 'startx' then SDDM actually starts. How can I make it so that it starts on boot like GDM ? These are the commands I used to install and enable KDE, taken from here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KDE sudo dnf install @kde-desktop sudo dnf install switchdesk-gui (then selected Plasma) sudo dnf install system-switch-displaymanager (this did not work as there is no such component in the repos) Then I disabled to GDM and enabled SDDM via: sudo systemctl disable gdm sudo systemctl enable sddm So can someone help me ? Let me know if any other diagnostic info is needed. Where did I go wrong ? -- Regards, Sreyan Chakravarty

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Re: (fedora) Re: second ethernet device not "seen"
by Jouk Jansen 08 Nov '20

08 Nov '20

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote on 7-NOV-2020 14:26:28.21 >On Sat, 2020-11-07 at 09:45 +0100, Jouk Jansen wrote: >> > On 11/6/20 11:54 PM, Jouk Jansen wrote: >> > > I'm running Fedora 32. I have a Mobo with 2 internet connectors. >> > > However, >> > > the second one I do not "see" when I'm running Fedora 32. >Not an answer to your question, but why aren't your replies in the same >thread as the original post? Probably because my mail-client adds (if not present) "(fedora)" to the subject. Its makes it easy for me to sort them out. Jouk Pax, vel iniusta, utilior est quam iustissimum bellum. (free after Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 b.Chr.-46 b.Chr.) Epistularum ad Atticum 7.1.4.3) Touch not the cat bot a glove >------------------------------------------------------------------------------< Jouk Jansen joukj(a)hrem.nano.tudelft.nl Technische Universiteit Delft tttttttttt uu uu ddddddd Kavli Institute of Nanoscience tttttttttt uu uu dd dd Nationaal centrum voor HREM tt uu uu dd dd Lorentzweg 1 tt uu uu dd dd 2628 CJ Delft tt uu uu dd dd Nederland tt uu uu dd dd tel. 31-15-2782272 tt uuuuuuu ddddddd >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<

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Re: (fedora) Re: second ethernet device not "seen"
by Jouk Jansen 08 Nov '20

08 Nov '20

Samuel Sieb wrote on 8-NOV-2020 01:39:52.79 >On 11/7/20 5:03 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> Not an answer to your question, but why aren't your replies in the same >> thread as the original post? >The only clue being the "x-vms-to:" header, it appears to be coming from >a VMS mail system. I had no idea people still ran those operationally. Yes it is OpenVMS. But it is not the reason. That is a (automatic) modification I added in the mail-client to change the subject line, as I explained in an earlier reply. Regards Jouk Pax, vel iniusta, utilior est quam iustissimum bellum. (free after Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 b.Chr.-46 b.Chr.) Epistularum ad Atticum 7.1.4.3) Touch not the cat bot a glove >------------------------------------------------------------------------------< Jouk Jansen joukj(a)hrem.nano.tudelft.nl Technische Universiteit Delft tttttttttt uu uu ddddddd Kavli Institute of Nanoscience tttttttttt uu uu dd dd Nationaal centrum voor HREM tt uu uu dd dd Lorentzweg 1 tt uu uu dd dd 2628 CJ Delft tt uu uu dd dd Nederland tt uu uu dd dd tel. 31-15-2782272 tt uuuuuuu ddddddd >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<

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