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On 09/16/2014 04:02 PM, Lukáš Tinkl wrote:
Dne 16.9.2014 v 17:29 Matthias Clasen napsal(a):
On Tue, 2014-09-16 at 16:21 +0200, Zdenek Kabelac wrote:
Has Fedora given up Unix ??
This thread has gone quite far out into the weeds. It started with a fairly concrete question: can we improve the offline update experience by requiring only a single reboot, instead of two ?
That's the core of the problem, while other systems have been trying for years to get rid of this nonsense (updates requiring reboots), we are moving the opposite direction. Technical reasons aside(*), this is NOT right for our users.
While that may be a wonderfully ideal state to reach (and certainly worth discussion), I agree with Matthias that this has gone far afield of my original question.
I'd like to try to tie this thread back to answering a single question: Without a fundamental redesign of the way things work, which would be a VERY large and long-term effort, can we improve the user experience for people *today* with fairly little effort?
If the answer to that question is "yes", is there anything fundamentally wrong with adding that workaround while we solve the situation in a more complete manner?
I think this is a great example of the adage "perfect is the enemy of the good". We have a situation that everyone seems to agree is less than ideal and we have two proposed solutions: one that probably requires only a few weeks of work and testing and one that probably requires a fundamental change to the way the system works and therefore could take years to accomplish.
Ask yourself this question: are you as a user patient enough to wait for a perfect solution or are you happy with incremental improvement?
(*) I agree offline updates are the safest way technically but that should be only regarded as a workaround for a more fundamental problem, lying deep below the desktop level.