I should sit on #fedora-devel . I don't, for the very simple reason that the FreeNode server uses an authentication machanism for nicknames where my nick is "owned by someone else" , is "private" and there is no way apparently to get out of the situation except changing nick which I consider more than an annoyance. Can we find a way out: - have a contact to handle authentication conflict - drop the authentication mechanism - change server
Daniel
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Daniel Veillard wrote: | I should sit on #fedora-devel . I don't, for the very simple reason that | the FreeNode server uses an authentication machanism for nicknames where | my nick is "owned by someone else" , is "private" and there is no way | apparently to get out of the situation except changing nick which I | consider more than an annoyance. | Can we find a way out: | - have a contact to handle authentication conflict
/msg lilo
| - drop the authentication mechanism
Bots will punish you if you do.
| - change server
Uhm... why? It's as well run as any other network... or so it seems.
- -- Chuck Mead csm@redhat.com Instructor II (and resident Postfix bigot), GLS Disclaimer: "It's Thursday and my name is Locutus of B0rk!" Addendum: "Bwahahaha! Fire up the orbital mind-control lasers!"
On Thursday 26 August 2004 21:13, Daniel Veillard wrote:
- have a contact to handle authentication conflict
http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nickisgone http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#unusednick http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#registering
On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 10:08:54PM +0800, Jeff Pitman wrote:
On Thursday 26 August 2004 21:13, Daniel Veillard wrote:
- have a contact to handle authentication conflict
http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nickisgone http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#unusednick
"If you'll ask a staffer, we'll be happy to manually drop the expired nick you want so that you can re-register it. "
okay, how do I ask a staffer ?
which is back to the problem - have a contact to handle authentication conflict
Daniel
Hey
Daniel Veillard wrote:
"If you'll ask a staffer, we'll be happy to manually drop the expired nick you want so that you can re-register it. "
okay, how do I ask a staffer ?
which is back to the problem - have a contact to handle authentication conflict
http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp
HTH
Stuart Children wrote:
Hey
Daniel Veillard wrote:
"If you'll ask a staffer, we'll be happy to manually drop the expired nick you want so that you can re-register it. "
okay, how do I ask a staffer ?
which is back to the problem - have a contact to handle authentication conflict
I think Daniel is having a bad day... and needs to vent for a bit :).
HTH
On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 05:13:54PM -0600, Stephen J Smoogen wrote:
Stuart Children wrote:
I think Daniel is having a bad day... and needs to vent for a bit :).
Well, this IRC nick stuff kept me out of #fedora-devel for 6 months so it's not just a bad day think. You're right in the sense that I got second hand feedback that the problems with gamin-0.0.7 (fixed in 0.0.8 upgrade !) where discussed there and I could not participate, which I found extremely frustrating. When I think a tool sucks, I don't use it, if I'm forced to, don't expect the French to not complain ! Anyway jeremy happens to be an IRC sysop, is reading emails, and did the cleanup. So problem fixed, for me, for this time,
thanks,
Daniel
Hey,
On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 00:13, Stephen J Smoogen wrote:
Stuart Children wrote:
Hey
Daniel Veillard wrote:
"If you'll ask a staffer, we'll be happy to manually drop the expired nick you want so that you can re-register it. "
okay, how do I ask a staffer ?
which is back to the problem - have a contact to handle authentication conflict
I think Daniel is having a bad day... and needs to vent for a bit :).
Maybe, or maybe nickserv is a giant pain in the ass and we'd have more people using the channel if wasn't for it? Seriously ...
(And if bots are the reason we have nickserv, why does #xorg and #freedesktop get along happily on the same server without nickserv?)
Cheers, Mark.
Mark McLoughlin wrote:
Hey,
I think Daniel is having a bad day... and needs to vent for a bit :).
Maybe, or maybe nickserv is a giant pain in the ass and we'd have more people using the channel if wasn't for it? Seriously ...
(And if bots are the reason we have nickserv, why does #xorg and #freedesktop get along happily on the same server without nickserv?)
Hmmm maybe becasue they dont seem to attract the pure HATE that some people feel towards anything Red Hat touches?
There are too many sick people who have to casue others pain as the only way to justify their existance.
I have always opposed the use of nickserv as a simple convenience issue. However i do recognize that there are people out there with nothing better to do with their time than screw with an open IRC chan. As a result i have always defaulted to those in charge of the channel and their tolerance and willingness to administer the channel. If the nickserve severely decreases administration i can certainly understand its implementation and will grudgingly abide as usual. A second concern of mine however is that many newcomers to IRC/Linux DO select the fedora distro and i would argue that nickserv slightly raises the barrier to entry for those new folks. Like i said though if it helps maybe it is worth the cost.
-- Michael Favia
On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 01:07, Mark McLoughlin wrote:
Maybe, or maybe nickserv is a giant pain in the ass and we'd have more people using the channel if wasn't for it? Seriously ...
For the record, AFAIK, we are using nickserv because ONCE we had a problem. Once. It was a few weeks before the release of FC2, I believe, or around that time.
I also would agree that the NickServ requirement to talk in #fedora and #fedora-devel should go. We're a community, not a closed group.
We can kickban bots and lusers when necessary.
-Max
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