While I am unable to sleep despite taking a sleeping pill, I might as well give the status update about gaim in Fedora Core.
Late Wednesday night gaim-0.82 was released which resolves various security and crashing issues. It was a very good release, but unfortunately upstream discovered a nasty crash that would lead to 3 weeks of annoying duplicate reports and complaints. In an admittedly unwise move 18 hours later they replaced the gaim-0.82 tarball silently fixing that one issue. But I think they said it wasn't entirely fixed correctly.
This of course can lead to all kinds of confusion for us distributors, as Fedora and other Linux distributions had already issued updates with the original 0.82. So we requested a 0.82.1 release which happened late Thursday.
Rawhide now has 0.82.1-1 which should work very well. gaim-0.82-0.FCX released in updates has only one crash in the corner case of the user having open windows with buddy icons while they change the button display preferences. Most users will probably never run into this problem. In any case, I do not consider this issue to be reason enough to issue the already too frequent gaim updates.
In the future I am hoping to help gaim upstream establish a better formalized testing procedure, perhaps with release candidates with automated distribution of binaries to an army of eager testers. It will take something like this in order to avoid many regressions that are always discovered after each gaim release.
We the Fedora community are well equiped to provide valuable feedback. I will probably be announcing a more rapidly changing gaim side-repository along with testing/reporting methodology documents later in the next upstream gaim development cycle.
I am also especially interested in hearing any suggestions from Fedora developers about ways to further integrate gaim into other desktop components, to provide a more smooth & cohesive desktop experience.
One example that needs help is in gaim + evolution integration. Currently the plugin is included in rawhide gaim, but disabled by default since it has been unstable in my limited testing. Volunteer help is needed there to try it, and communicate with both gaim & evolution upstream to figure out how it can be fixed/improved.
Ok... might be able to actually sleep now...
Warren Togami wtogami@redhat.com
On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 02:10 -1000, Warren Togami wrote:
While I am unable to sleep despite taking a sleeping pill, I might as well give the status update about gaim in Fedora Core.
Hi Warren, thanks for the updates!
About sleeping, please read this article, it has useful advices http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/07/29/1714236&tid=191&tid=... including not staying in front of computer before going to bed.
Marius Andreiana wrote:
On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 02:10 -1000, Warren Togami wrote:
While I am unable to sleep despite taking a sleeping pill, I might as well give the status update about gaim in Fedora Core.
Hi Warren, thanks for the updates!
About sleeping, please read this article, it has useful advices http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/07/29/1714236&tid=191&tid=... including not staying in front of computer before going to bed.
There was a time when I thought sleep was an addicition I could somehow break.. in the end, getting a good amount of sleep is important though I am not sure Red Hat's schedules agree. It is very easy at Red Hat to see how much work is to be done and never think you can get it all done.. and so an extra hour here or there is just a sacrifice for the big cause of the company/team/Linux in general.
However after a couple of times starting to hallucinate after 90 hours of awakeness.. getting at least 6 hours a night is important. What I found to be useful on getting sleep done was:
1) Turn off the computers. 2) Put away the computer books. 3) Put away the interesting spycatcher/murder-mystery 4) Take a half-hour->hour walk [having a toddler helps immensely here] 5) Drink a nice glass of warm fluids (non-caffeinated.) Warm water doesnt seem to cut it. 6) Relax for a bit before getting into bed. Meditation, prayer, or just quiet time [hard with a toddler, but possible ;)] 7) Goto bed. 8) If you find out that you cant sleep after 80 minutes because your brain is whirring about bugs, security problems, webserver issues, state of Fedora.us, lack of public CVS, etc... go back to step 4 but increase the time for walking. [getting an exercise bike/walker helps here.]
That helped me the most after I left Red Hat. I wish I had thought of it when I had been there :).
Stephen J Smoogen wrote :
What I found to be useful on getting sleep done was:
- Turn off the computers.
- Put away the computer books.
- Put away the interesting spycatcher/murder-mystery
- Take a half-hour->hour walk [having a toddler helps immensely here]
- Drink a nice glass of warm fluids (non-caffeinated.) Warm water
doesnt seem to cut it. 6) Relax for a bit before getting into bed. Meditation, prayer, or just quiet time [hard with a toddler, but possible ;)] 7) Goto bed. 8) If you find out that you cant sleep after 80 minutes because your brain is whirring about bugs, security problems, webserver issues, state of Fedora.us, lack of public CVS, etc... go back to step 4 but increase the time for walking. [getting an exercise bike/walker helps here.]
That helped me the most after I left Red Hat. I wish I had thought of it when I had been there :).
I totally agree here, as I definitely feel a real difference between days when I don't do much physical efforts and those when I do. My sport addiction here, like quite a lot of other urban geeks I know, is rollerblading, which I practice 4 to 7 days a week :-D I _really_ recommend it, and depending on how tired you already are or want to be, it's very easy to dose the amount of effort you'll do for the day. I also go to my office and come back skating every day, and don't have an elevator in my building, both also help ;-), every little bit does! I really realise this when I spend hours non-stop behind a screen and feel tired "in my head" but not "in my body"... rest is then easily achievable, but sleep isn't... so I just go skating, take a nice relaxing shower when I get home and off to bed!
Nearly the end of this totally OT message, but here's the final : http://www.marmotte.net/roller/200406-slalom-thias2.avi
The greatest part is that skating is like packaging : Get involved in a community, share the knowledge, practise, and you can get quite far :-) And unsurprisingly, my favorite discipline is called "Free Ride" or "Free Skate", heh.
Matthias, off to the Friday Night Skate in a short while.
Hi !
While reading the Fedora Developer's Guide, I realized that it misses the BuildRequires tag into the template spec file :
http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/developers-guide/ch-rpm-building.html
Is it desired ? Is it a mistake ? Do we have to use BuildPrereq in the place of BuildRequires ?
Regards, Gilles
--On Monday, August 30, 2004 5:58 PM +0200 Gilles FABIO gilles.fabio@laposte.net wrote:
Do we have to use BuildPrereq in the place of BuildRequires ?
What's the difference between these two?
Kenneth Porter wrote:
--On Monday, August 30, 2004 5:58 PM +0200 Gilles FABIO gilles.fabio@laposte.net wrote:
Do we have to use BuildPrereq in the place of BuildRequires ?
What's the difference between these two?
Besides a couple of letters? (-: Not much.
I personally prefer BuildRequires
-- Rex
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:45:10 -0700, Kenneth Porter wrote:
--On Monday, August 30, 2004 5:58 PM +0200 Gilles FABIO gilles.fabio@laposte.xxx wrote:
Do we have to use BuildPrereq in the place of BuildRequires ?
What's the difference between these two?
None. Well, the name is different. But that's all.
On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 13:10, Warren Togami wrote:
While I am unable to sleep despite taking a sleeping pill, I might as well give the status update about gaim in Fedora Core.
Late Wednesday night gaim-0.82 was released which resolves various security and crashing issues. It was a very good release, but unfortunately upstream discovered a nasty crash that would lead to 3 weeks of annoying duplicate reports and complaints. In an admittedly unwise move 18 hours later they replaced the gaim-0.82 tarball silently fixing that one issue. But I think they said it wasn't entirely fixed correctly.
This of course can lead to all kinds of confusion for us distributors, as Fedora and other Linux distributions had already issued updates with the original 0.82. So we requested a 0.82.1 release which happened late Thursday.
Rawhide now has 0.82.1-1 which should work very well. gaim-0.82-0.FCX released in updates has only one crash in the corner case of the user having open windows with buddy icons while they change the button display preferences. Most users will probably never run into this problem. In any case, I do not consider this issue to be reason enough to issue the already too frequent gaim updates.
In the future I am hoping to help gaim upstream establish a better formalized testing procedure, perhaps with release candidates with automated distribution of binaries to an army of eager testers. It will take something like this in order to avoid many regressions that are always discovered after each gaim release.
We the Fedora community are well equiped to provide valuable feedback. I will probably be announcing a more rapidly changing gaim side-repository along with testing/reporting methodology documents later in the next upstream gaim development cycle.
I am also especially interested in hearing any suggestions from Fedora developers about ways to further integrate gaim into other desktop components, to provide a more smooth & cohesive desktop experience.
One example that needs help is in gaim + evolution integration. Currently the plugin is included in rawhide gaim, but disabled by default since it has been unstable in my limited testing. Volunteer help is needed there to try it, and communicate with both gaim & evolution upstream to figure out how it can be fixed/improved.
Ok... might be able to actually sleep now...
Warren Togami
wtogami@redhat.com
I am currently running the rawhide release rebuilt for FC1 and all is sweet so far. Not so long ago I queried on the gaim devel list if gaim prior to a release would issue RC's. This was declined by a senior gaim dev(s). gaim has their release way but it seems lately including the 0.82 release the dev responsible for the Fedora packages is taking a release, spinning the rpm's and releasing them without any in "rawhide" or even "testing" time. If gaim is unwilling to change we should slightly step back from upstream and have at least some test time before issuing updates.
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