Simos Xenitellis wrote:
Στις 27/Ιούν/2005, ημέρα Δευτέρα και ώρα 14:33, ο/η P@draigBrady.com έγραψε:
On my fedora core 3 gnome desktop, I get a weird representation for U+FFFD. Here's what it looks like for you [�].
It's the "REPLACEMENT CHARACTER", and according to the following should be question mark enclosed in a solid diamond: http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/UFFF0.pdf I've been told that this is also the representation on windows and OSX.
However I'm getting a weird comma like thing, which Markus Kuhn _has_ made reference to here I think: http://www.w3.org/2001/06/utf-8-wrong/UTF-8-test.html In the gnome charmap applet it seems to be the nimbus and schoolbook (sans and serif) fallback fonts that have this weird representation. The (Misc) Fixed fonts do have the question mark as expected.
So why this weird representation? I'm writing an app where I would like to display characters that are invalid in the current encoding, and the comma like thing it totally confusing for users.
Hi, On my system (FC2), gucharmap says it's FreeSans. Doesn't FC3 have FreeSans/FreeSerif/FreeMono?
Right so bitstream-vera doesn't even have the FFFD char, and the fallback nimbus has this weird comma like thing.
I don't think freefont is part of fedora. I installed FreeSans manually and it has a beautiful question mark respresentation as described above. But that's not going to work for my app unless I install a font with it, but I really don't want to start that messing.
Ubuntu and other distributions come with "freefont" by default, covering a good range of the Unicode space. If FC4 does not install by default freefont, you should file a bug report.
Right, I'mm cc'ing fedora-devel as I've found no bugs mentioning dejavu or freefont etc. Extending bitstream was mentioned in this thread: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2003-December/msg00830.html Perhaps making freefont the default might be a better approach?
What do people think?
On Lun 27 juin 2005 17:38, P@draigBrady.com wrote:
Simos Xenitellis wrote:
ΣÏÎ¹Ï 27/ÎοÏν/2005, ημÎÏα ÎÎµÏ ÏÎÏα και ÏÏα 14:33, ο/η P@draigBrady.com ÎγÏαÏε:
On my fedora core 3 gnome desktop, I get a weird representation for U+FFFD. Here's what it looks like for you [�].
It's the "REPLACEMENT CHARACTER", and according to the following should be question mark enclosed in a solid diamond: http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/UFFF0.pdf I've been told that this is also the representation on windows and OSX.
However I'm getting a weird comma like thing, which Markus Kuhn _has_ made reference to here I think: http://www.w3.org/2001/06/utf-8-wrong/UTF-8-test.html In the gnome charmap applet it seems to be the nimbus and schoolbook (sans and serif) fallback fonts that have this weird representation. The (Misc) Fixed fonts do have the question mark as expected.
So why this weird representation? I'm writing an app where I would like to display characters that are invalid in the current encoding, and the comma like thing it totally confusing for users.
Hi, On my system (FC2), gucharmap says it's FreeSans. Doesn't FC3 have FreeSans/FreeSerif/FreeMono?
Right so bitstream-vera doesn't even have the FFFD char, and the fallback nimbus has this weird comma like thing.
I don't think freefont is part of fedora.
dejavu just made it in fedora extras. Does it have the same problem ? (if the answer is yes the dejavu people seem to fix their fonts pretty fast - just make them release a fixed version and I'll respin the dejavu package)
As for freefont I've never used it. If it's not a Vera derivative and is half decent I may be coaxed into packaging it for FE. Otherwise I've already decided dejavu is the only project that is trying hard to merge all the Vera variants in an open way so I won't push any other Vera-derivative in FE now.
Regards,
Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
I don't think freefont is part of fedora.
No it's not.
dejavu just made it in fedora extras. Does it have the same problem ? (if the answer is yes the dejavu people seem to fix their fonts pretty fast - just make them release a fixed version and I'll respin the dejavu package)
http://dejavu.sourceforge.net Cool. It still doesn't have the "standard" U+FFFD char (�) though :(
As for freefont I've never used it. If it's not a Vera derivative and is half decent I may be coaxed into packaging it for FE. Otherwise I've already decided dejavu is the only project that is trying hard to merge all the Vera variants in an open way so I won't push any other Vera-derivative in FE now.
http://www.nongnu.org/freefont/ It's not a vera derivative, and having used it for a week or so, I've noticed kerning issues especially at smaller font sizes. It might be a good fall back though, or as a base for merging into dejavu? It really covers a huge amount of unicode characters.
Le mercredi 06 juillet 2005 à 17:10 +0100, P@draigBrady.com a écrit :
Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
I don't think freefont is part of fedora.
No it's not.
dejavu just made it in fedora extras. Does it have the same problem ? (if the answer is yes the dejavu people seem to fix their fonts pretty fast - just make them release a fixed version and I'll respin the dejavu package)
http://dejavu.sourceforge.net Cool. It still doesn't have the "standard" U+FFFD char (�) though :(
As for freefont I've never used it. If it's not a Vera derivative and is half decent I may be coaxed into packaging it for FE. Otherwise I've already decided dejavu is the only project that is trying hard to merge all the Vera variants in an open way so I won't push any other Vera-derivative in FE now.
http://www.nongnu.org/freefont/ It's not a vera derivative, and having used it for a week or so, I've noticed kerning issues especially at smaller font sizes. It might be a good fall back though, or as a base for merging into dejavu? It really covers a huge amount of unicode characters.
Well, Fedora already has its share of ugly fonts with wide unicode coverage. As we're only talking about a single character here, that does not seem too difficult to create (just add a black diamond to a question mark), I'd suggest you just get it into dejavu and I'll get the new dejavu version into Fedora Extras.
If you're quick it'll be available for users by early august.
Regards,
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Pádraig Brady