http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/epel/2015-01-09/epel.2015-01-09-17.00.log.h...
17:00:44 <smooge> #startmeeting epel17:00:44 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Jan 9 17:00:44 2015 UTC. The chair is smooge. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00:44 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.17:00:52 <smooge> #meetingname epel17:00:52 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel'17:01:13 <smooge> #chairs smooge nirik dgilmore bstinson17:01:28 <smooge> Nirik I believe is going to be absent17:01:32 <smooge> Evolution is absent17:01:51 <smooge> and dgilmore might be on snowed in absense17:01:59 * nirik is actually here right now...17:02:04 <nirik> but I might have to leave early17:02:05 <smooge> #topic Roll Call17:02:12 <smooge> nirik, I expect this will be a short meeting17:02:17 <nirik> cool.17:02:32 <bstinson> hi all17:02:39 <smooge> hi bstinson17:03:04 <smooge> #topic Old Business17:03:30 <smooge> OK we don't have much old business from the last meeting because it was a couple of weeks ago17:03:45 <smooge> We had the orphaning and tyll found some bugs in his script that didn't show all the orphans17:03:52 <smooge> so we have another batch.17:04:23 * bstinson hasn't had a chance to look through the email yet, how bad is it looking?17:04:36 <smooge> nirik, bstinson do we want to have another orphan day or just have tyll do them when he has a chance?17:04:48 <smooge> bstinson, it isn't any better than it was before the last one :)17:04:54 * Jeff_S here a bit late17:05:16 <nirik> did we say 6 weeks or something? or has the timeout already expired.17:05:33 <smooge> nirik, most of these packages are over 6 weeks (some are 22)17:05:48 <nirik> perhaps one last warn email and do them next week?17:05:57 <bstinson> +117:06:06 <smooge> ok will send out an email and ask tyll to do them next week around Thursday?17:06:35 <smooge> alright anyone else have any other old business?17:07:06 <bstinson> none here17:07:17 <nirik> nada17:07:30 <smooge> ok next up17:07:35 <smooge> #topic New Business17:07:55 <smooge> we have a non-responsive maintainer issue with kanarip17:08:21 <Evolution> ack. sorry I'm late17:09:02 <nirik> well, last time I talked to him he was busy, but wanted to keep being co-maintainer.17:09:05 <smooge> ಠ_ಠ17:10:40 <smooge> nirik, did someone make Marriane the maintainer of the package?17:11:06 <nirik> hum? I'm not sure even what package we are talking about...17:11:09 <smooge> .whoowns perl-XML-TreePP17:11:10 <zodbot> smooge: kanarip17:11:39 * nirik looks17:11:46 <nirik> .branches perl-XML-TreePP17:11:48 <zodbot> nirik: el5 el6 epel7 f20 f21 master17:12:02 <smooge> the email was about the above which he is sole maintainer of. I don't mind keeping him but since he is busy making someone a comaintainer makes sense17:12:23 <nirik> they seem to own the epel7 branch17:12:32 <nirik> so, I think they went ahead as they should have.17:12:51 <nirik> You are supposed to ask the fedora maintainer, wait a week, if no answer:: drive on17:13:09 <smooge> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-December/205902.html17:... <nirik> so, I think it all got sorted17:13:50 <smooge> nirik, ah ok.. I did a whoowns which used to say something like epel7 (mmm)17:14:03 <smooge> and it just said kanarip so I thought it was still waiting17:14:05 <nirik> that might be cached.17:14:06 <smooge> my apologies17:14:13 <Jeff_S> So what was the problem? Did the bug just not have the right flag set to get attention?17:15:00 <nirik> I think they just were waiting forever, when the policy says wait a week and then just request it.17:15:10 <Jeff_S> ok17:15:21 <nirik> not sure how to make that any better. ;(17:15:31 <smooge> will put that in a blog list of how to do things in EPEL17:16:00 <smooge> ok any other new business?17:16:09 <Jeff_S> Yeah, I don't think that's a big deal unless it's happening to a lot of requests17:16:59 <nirik> more docs/blog posts on it should possibly help17:18:48 <smooge> I am working on a couple.. I hope to get some time this weekend to get them out17:19:05 <smooge> ok any other business we need to deal with?17:19:19 <smooge> #topic Next Meeting Agenda Items17:19:46 <smooge> Ok please put in anything we want to have in the next meeting or thought about in coming meetings17:19:47 <nirik> there was another person asking about the epel-release permlink again17:19:58 <smooge> yeah.. another roundtuit I need to get on17:20:13 <Jeff_S> ++ :)17:20:34 <smooge> I hope to look at it next week17:20:47 <Jeff_S> Thanks17:21:05 <bstinson> should we brainstorm some topic ideas for the CentOS-EPEL meetup at fosdem?17:21:15 <Jeff_S> bstinson: sure, rub it in...17:22:31 * nirik notes he will not be there, but will be around on irc if needed.17:22:38 <Jeff_S> I've gotta run, thanks all17:22:47 <bstinson> was hoping we could live stream it :) but i'm not sure if that's possible17:23:23 <Evolution> yeah, sadly some of the key players won't be there17:23:28 <Evolution> nirik, smooge, etc.17:24:25 <smooge> yeah.. I think we are going to do better just having a public google hangout or something than try to do something at an event most can't get to17:24:51 <smooge> not that I have been any better with some of the EPEL meetings at Flock/FUDcon when CentOS people couldn't attend17:26:14 <smooge> so lets just say we need to come up with things for those who can make it to talk about and move on17:27:22 <smooge> bstinson, most of the topics I would want to talk about sort of need the rest of EPEL do'ers on to better converse. Otherwise it could end up like my EPIC proposal.. lots of good ideas but no buy-in17:29:08 <bstinson> that makes sense, it would be nice to do a hangout sometime17:29:35 <smooge> ok lets see if we can get that arranged.17:29:57 <smooge> anything else? I think we will lose nirik soon17:31:26 <smooge> #topic Open Flood17:31:36 <smooge> Ok last call on topics and things to talk about.17:31:38 <smooge> Last call17:31:51 <bstinson> nothing here17:31:57 * smooge wonders if Evolution will wake up to those words17:32:09 <Evolution> I'm here17:32:15 <Evolution> I have nothing to contribute, but I'm here.17:32:19 <dgilmore> sorry guys I slept in17:32:46 <smooge> oh man.. I had a whole bar closing thing typed in too17:32:51 <dgilmore> I should be at fosdem17:33:14 <smooge> dgilmore, can you make the EPEL-CentOS meetup?17:33:23 <dgilmore> smooge: should be able to yes17:34:38 <smooge> cool. that should help answer some of the questions about build systems that will come up17:34:59 <smooge> Evolution, do you know whats on kbsingh's mind for the meeting?17:35:17 <Evolution> I believe interoperability.17:35:47 <Evolution> packages that should be in epel coming from sigs, etc.17:36:09 <dgilmore> for me its interoperability and working on finding ways to enable people to contribute to epel via either CentOS or Fedora17:37:10 <smooge> ok I think then that if everything gets recorded we can get some stuff done then17:38:32 <smooge> dgilmore, anything you want in the next meeting?17:39:56 <dgilmore> smooge: we should look at the policy for branching packages from Fedora17:40:37 <smooge> dgilmore, yes I agree. It comes up a lot17:40:49 <dgilmore> It seems many people are not aware of it and quite a lot of people just go and request branches for packages. I had it happen to one of mine recently17:41:32 * nirik wonders if we can somehow automate it.17:41:56 <dgilmore> when emailing the person that branched my package they thought anyone was free to branch any package17:42:12 <dgilmore> nirik: we should find a way to do it17:42:40 <dgilmore> nirik: moving branching into pkgdb should give us a way to do so17:42:43 <nirik> yeah...17:44:02 <smooge> ok so something for me to put on next weeks agenda? Can pkdb fix all our problems?17:44:22 <dgilmore> smooge: its work that is underway17:45:08 <dgilmore> we probably should make sure we get all the policy right then palk to pingu and make sure we automate the checks17:45:33 <smooge> ok so I am not clear on how policy should be worded.. any examples and I can make a pass at something for EPEL?17:46:01 <dgilmore> i think the existing polic is fine17:46:26 <dgilmore> we need to reaffirm it and make sure its visable and people are aware of it17:47:04 <dgilmore> automated enforcement would help with making people aware17:47:31 <smooge> And the exisitng policy is the one you listed in the email yesterday?17:47:51 <dgilmore> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Getting_a_Fedora_package_in_EPEL17:47:53 <dgilmore> correct17:48:13 <dgilmore> packagers can opt out of epel17:48:37 <dgilmore> in which case people can freely request a branch17:49:18 <smooge> and from what nirik said earlier.. if the packager doesn't respond in a week they can branch anyway?17:49:49 <dgilmore> yep17:50:25 <dgilmore> the one thing i think we could add is that sometimes a package really doesnt make sense in epel17:50:35 <dgilmore> and there should be a way to say so17:50:48 <smooge> yeah17:51:20 <smooge> ok I will ponder how to do that and come back next meeting on it17:51:29 <dgilmore> cool17:51:34 <dgilmore> i have nothing else17:51:41 <smooge> ok me either..17:51:47 <smooge> my dog says I need to walk her17:51:51 <smooge> so ..17:51:54 <smooge> #endmeeting
On 01/09/15 12:04, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/epel/2015-01-09/epel.2015-01-09-17.00.log.h... 17:03:30 <smooge> OK we don't have much old business from the last meeting because it was a couple of weeks ago 17:03:45 <smooge> We had the orphaning and tyll found some bugs in his script that didn't show all the orphans 17:03:52 <smooge> so we have another batch. 17:04:23* bstinson hasn't had a chance to look through the email yet, how bad is it looking? 17:04:36 <smooge> nirik, bstinson do we want to have another orphan day or just have tyll do them when he has a chance? 17:04:48 <smooge> bstinson, it isn't any better than it was before the last one :) 17:04:54* Jeff_S here a bit late 17:05:16 <nirik> did we say 6 weeks or something? or has the timeout already expired. 17:05:33 <smooge> nirik, most of these packages are over 6 weeks (some are 22) 17:05:48 <nirik> perhaps one last warn email and do them next week? 17:05:57 <bstinson> +1 17:06:06 <smooge> ok will send out an email and ask tyll to do them next week around Thursday?
Hi, Are the orphan purges going to be batched in the future, or will they be automatic once a package hits that 6-week mark? What kind of advance warning can users expect before these packages (and their dependents) get removed? -Mat
On 9 January 2015 at 13:04, Mátyás Selmeci matyas@cs.wisc.edu wrote:
On 01/09/15 12:04, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/epel/2015-01-09/epel.2015-01-09-17.00.log.h...
17:03:30 <smooge> OK we don't have much old business from the last meeting because it was a couple of weeks ago17:03:45 <smooge> We had the orphaning and tyll found some bugs in his script that didn't show all the orphans17:03:52 <smooge> so we have another batch.17:04:23 * bstinson hasn't had a chance to look through the email yet, how bad is it looking?17:04:36 <smooge> nirik, bstinson do we want to have another orphan day or just have tyll do them when he has a chance?17:04:48 <smooge> bstinson, it isn't any better than it was before the last one :)17:04:54 * Jeff_S here a bit late17:05:16 <nirik> did we say 6 weeks or something? or has the timeout already expired.17:05:33 <smooge> nirik, most of these packages are over 6 weeks (some are 22)17:05:48 <nirik> perhaps one last warn email and do them next week?17:05:57 <bstinson> +117:06:06 <smooge> ok will send out an email and ask tyll to do them next week around Thursday?
Hi, Are the orphan purges going to be batched in the future, or will they be automatic once a package hits that 6-week mark? What kind of advance warning can users expect before these packages (and their dependents) get removed? -Mat
As far as I understand it is not possible to automate this. Thus it will always be sort of batched. There is a weekly email which covers what packages are currently orphaned. People should watch for those if they are interested.
Does that answer the question? [Sorry headache so words not working well.]
On 01/09/15 15:44, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On 9 January 2015 at 13:04, Mátyás Selmeci <matyas@cs.wisc.edu mailto:matyas@cs.wisc.edu> wrote:
On 01/09/15 12:04, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/epel/2015-01-09/epel.2015-01-09-17.00.log.html 17:03:30 <smooge> OK we don't have much old business from the last meeting because it was a couple of weeks ago 17:03:45 <smooge> We had the orphaning and tyll found some bugs in his script that didn't show all the orphans 17:03:52 <smooge> so we have another batch. 17:04:23* bstinson hasn't had a chance to look through the email yet, how bad is it looking? 17:04:36 <smooge> nirik, bstinson do we want to have another orphan day or just have tyll do them when he has a chance? 17:04:48 <smooge> bstinson, it isn't any better than it was before the last one :) 17:04:54* Jeff_S here a bit late 17:05:16 <nirik> did we say 6 weeks or something? or has the timeout already expired. 17:05:33 <smooge> nirik, most of these packages are over 6 weeks (some are 22) 17:05:48 <nirik> perhaps one last warn email and do them next week? 17:05:57 <bstinson> +1 17:06:06 <smooge> ok will send out an email and ask tyll to do them next week around Thursday?Hi, Are the orphan purges going to be batched in the future, or will they be automatic once a package hits that 6-week mark? What kind of advance warning can users expect before these packages (and their dependents) get removed? -MatAs far as I understand it is not possible to automate this. Thus it will always be sort of batched. There is a weekly email which covers what packages are currently orphaned. People should watch for those if they are interested.
Does that answer the question? [Sorry headache so words not working well.]
-- Stephen J Smoogen.
Yes, thank you. Will you continue to give advance notification of the purge dates? -Mat
On 9 January 2015 at 15:20, Mátyás Selmeci matyas@cs.wisc.edu wrote:
On 01/09/15 15:44, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On 9 January 2015 at 13:04, Mátyás Selmeci matyas@cs.wisc.edu wrote:
On 01/09/15 12:04, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/epel/2015-01-09/epel.2015-01-09-17.00.log.h...
17:03:30 <smooge> OK we don't have much old business from the last meeting because it was a couple of weeks ago17:03:45 <smooge> We had the orphaning and tyll found some bugs in his script that didn't show all the orphans17:03:52 <smooge> so we have another batch.17:04:23 * bstinson hasn't had a chance to look through the email yet, how bad is it looking?17:04:36 <smooge> nirik, bstinson do we want to have another orphan day or just have tyll do them when he has a chance?17:04:48 <smooge> bstinson, it isn't any better than it was before the last one :)17:04:54 * Jeff_S here a bit late17:05:16 <nirik> did we say 6 weeks or something? or has the timeout already expired.17:05:33 <smooge> nirik, most of these packages are over 6 weeks (some are 22)17:05:48 <nirik> perhaps one last warn email and do them next week?17:05:57 <bstinson> +117:06:06 <smooge> ok will send out an email and ask tyll to do them next week around Thursday?
Hi, Are the orphan purges going to be batched in the future, or will they be automatic once a package hits that 6-week mark? What kind of advance warning can users expect before these packages (and their dependents) get removed? -Mat
As far as I understand it is not possible to automate this. Thus it will always be sort of batched. There is a weekly email which covers what packages are currently orphaned. People should watch for those if they are interested.
Does that answer the question? [Sorry headache so words not working well.]
-- Stephen J Smoogen.
Yes, thank you. Will you continue to give advance notification of the purge dates? -Mat
I hope to. I have some emails to send this weekend for next weeks purge, but I need to work with Tyll on works best with his schedule.
On Fri, Jan 09, 2015 at 04:20:29PM -0600, Mátyás Selmeci wrote:
On 9 January 2015 at 13:04, Mátyás Selmeci <matyas@cs.wisc.edu mailto:matyas@cs.wisc.edu> wrote:
Are the orphan purges going to be batched in the future, or will they be automatic once a package hits that 6-week mark? What kind of advance warning can users expect before these packages (and their dependents) get removed? -Mat
There will be weekly warnings, like there are now to notify everyone about orphaned packages. But this is here on the devel list. What kind of warnings would you like to have for users?
Usually they should already are if a package is orphaned, because it means it is probably not maintained properly anymore.
Yes, thank you. Will you continue to give advance notification of the purge dates?
Why is this helpful? If a package is orphaned and someone wants to adopt it, this should be done now and not at late as possible.
Regards Till
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