Hi all,
find below the list of topics that are likely to come up in the next EPEL SIG meeting that's scheduled for tomorrow, Wednesday at 17:00 UTC in #fedora-extras on irc.freenode.org.
Note: I added some new stuff and worked a bit on the Schedule page in the wiki http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Schedule I put some names behind some of the new tasks -- that's not binding for now and will be discussed in the meeting.
/topic EPEL Meeting – broken deps – nirik /topic EPEL Meeting – spam o magic script – mmcgrath /topic EPEL Meeting – signers group – dgilmore /topic EPEL Meeting – move epel dirs on servers down below stable – knurd /topic EPEL Meeting – branch for EPEL if Fedora maintainer does not react – knurd, _blah_ /topic EPEL Meeting – finish the wiki docs and remove the warnings by end of may – quaid /topic EPEL Meeting – new meeting time? – all (see also http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/NewMeetingTime ) /topic EPEL Meeting – Communication plan for enterprise customers/ISVs/IHVs – stahnma, quaid /topic EPEL Meeting – ExcludeArch TrackerBugs for EPEL – notting/knurd /topic EPEL Meeting – RHX and EPEL – quaid
You want something to be discussed? Send a note to the list in reply to this mail and I'll add it to the schedule (I can't promise we will get to it tomorrow, but we'll most likely will if we don't run out of time). You can also propose topics at the end of the meeting itself.
If your name/nick is on above list please give a update. That way all the interested parties know what up ahead of the meeting; that will avoid long delays and "status update monologues in the meeting.
Thanks!
CU thl
Once upon a time Tuesday 03 July 2007, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
Hi all,
find below the list of topics that are likely to come up in the next EPEL SIG meeting that's scheduled for tomorrow, Wednesday at 17:00 UTC in #fedora-extras on irc.freenode.org.
Note: I added some new stuff and worked a bit on the Schedule page in the wiki http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Schedule I put some names behind some of the new tasks -- that's not binding for now and will be discussed in the meeting.
/topic EPEL Meeting – broken deps – nirik /topic EPEL Meeting – spam o magic script – mmcgrath /topic EPEL Meeting – signers group – dgilmore /topic EPEL Meeting – move epel dirs on servers down below stable – knurd /topic EPEL Meeting – branch for EPEL if Fedora maintainer does not react – knurd, _blah_ /topic EPEL Meeting – finish the wiki docs and remove the warnings by end of may – quaid /topic EPEL Meeting – new meeting time? – all (see also http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/NewMeetingTime ) /topic EPEL Meeting – Communication plan for enterprise customers/ISVs/IHVs – stahnma, quaid /topic EPEL Meeting – ExcludeArch TrackerBugs for EPEL – notting/knurd /topic EPEL Meeting – RHX and EPEL – quaid
You want something to be discussed? Send a note to the list in reply to this mail and I'll add it to the schedule (I can't promise we will get to it tomorrow, but we'll most likely will if we don't run out of time). You can also propose topics at the end of the meeting itself.
If your name/nick is on above list please give a update. That way all the interested parties know what up ahead of the meeting; that will avoid long delays and "status update monologues in the meeting.
Since its a public holiday in the states im unlikely to be available. not sure if the other us based people will be either.
Dennis
On 04.07.2007 07:29, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
Once upon a time Tuesday 03 July 2007, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
Hi all,
find below the list of topics that are likely to come up in the next EPEL SIG meeting that's scheduled for tomorrow, Wednesday at 17:00 UTC in #fedora-extras on irc.freenode.org. [...]
Since its a public holiday in the states im unlikely to be available. not sure if the other us based people will be either.
Uhhhps -- I should have thought of this. Well, we'll see who's around and cancel the meeting if we are to few (with looks likely...).
CU thl
On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 06:51:31AM +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
Hi all,
find below the list of topics that are likely to come up in the next EPEL SIG meeting that's scheduled for tomorrow, Wednesday at 17:00 UTC in #fedora-extras on irc.freenode.org.
You want something to be discussed? Send a note to the list in reply to this mail and I'll add it to the schedule (I can't promise we will get to it tomorrow, but we'll most likely will if we don't run out of time). You can also propose topics at the end of the meeting itself.
I sent a mail about how to havev some infos about RHEL packages some time ago and didn't received any response, so (even though it is not completly obvious that it is in EPEL role), I add it here. Maybe it is relevant for EPEL anyway, if the silence reflects an issue in EPEL/RHEL relationship.
I am checking which package I'd like to put in EPEL and it appears that some informations are lacking, that I can find easily with rpmfind (for example), but I cannot for RHEL. Here is a list of things I would like to do, from a non Centos/RHEL box, or from another Centos/RHEL version, of course. Do you have guidance on how to do it? Keep in mind that I would like something easy, (like what rpmfind provides, for example) not something complicated (like download all the srpms and work out from the spec files):
* find whether a package is in RHEL or not * find whether a file is in RHEL or not, and in which package * find whether a provides is in RHEL or not, and provided by which package * find the list of files and provides of a package in RHEL
I'd like to add that, if there is to be a cooperation with other repos, it would be nice to have a place in the wiki for other repo representant to put this information (and also more information, like web site, contact people, download link, version control system link if any).
-- Pat
On 04.07.2007 09:48, Patrice Dumas wrote:
[...] I am checking which package I'd like to put in EPEL and it appears that some informations are lacking, that I can find easily with rpmfind (for example), but I cannot for RHEL. Here is a list of things I would like to do, from a non Centos/RHEL box, or from another Centos/RHEL version, of course. Do you have guidance on how to do it?
mock + chroot? Or install CentOS in a VM?
Keep in mind that I would like something easy, (like what rpmfind provides, for example) not something complicated (like download all the srpms and work out from the spec files):
- find whether a package is in RHEL or not
Simply look at the CentOS dir like?
http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/centos/5/os/x86_64/CentOS/
- find whether a file is in RHEL or not, and in which package
- find whether a provides is in RHEL or not, and provided by which package
- find the list of files and provides of a package in RHEL
I've never used rpmfind, but if it can serve you this information for Fedora it might be able to serve it for CentOS as well (which "aims to be 100% binary compatible").
CU thl
On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 10:05:03AM +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
On 04.07.2007 09:48, Patrice Dumas wrote:
[...] I am checking which package I'd like to put in EPEL and it appears that some informations are lacking, that I can find easily with rpmfind (for example), but I cannot for RHEL. Here is a list of things I would like to do, from a non Centos/RHEL box, or from another Centos/RHEL version, of course. Do you have guidance on how to do it?
mock + chroot? Or install CentOS in a VM?
Indeed mock and chroot may be very usefull for testing package functionnality and build, but it is not exactly what I am looking for.
As a side note I cannot find a mock config for centos to be used for mock builds of epel, looking through the wiki (although they are reference to such a thing existing, for example http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/FAQ#head-f9e8c36dc22934ebff5e9c6ec537f767... and I remember seeing a reference to those files on a list).
Keep in mind that I would like something easy, (like what rpmfind provides, for example) not something complicated (like download all the srpms and work out from the spec files):
- find whether a package is in RHEL or not
Simply look at the CentOS dir like?
http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/centos/5/os/x86_64/CentOS/
It is really the same than: ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/4/en/ with all the subdirectories? (well is http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/centos/4/os/ the same ?)
- find whether a file is in RHEL or not, and in which package
- find whether a provides is in RHEL or not, and provided by which package
- find the list of files and provides of a package in RHEL
I've never used rpmfind, but if it can serve you this information for Fedora it might be able to serve it for CentOS as well (which "aims to be 100% binary compatible").
Ok, this clarifies things a lot. I hadn't understood that Centos was interchangeable for RHEL for EPEL.
-- Pat
On 04.07.2007 11:02, Patrice Dumas wrote:
On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 10:05:03AM +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
On 04.07.2007 09:48, Patrice Dumas wrote:
[...]
[...] As a side note I cannot find a mock config for centos to be used for mock builds of epel, [...]
$ repoquery --whatprovide /etc/mock/fedora-5-i386-epel.cfg /etc/mock/fedora-5-i386-epel.cfg [...] mock-0:0.7.2-1.fc7.x86_64 mock-0:0.7.2-1.fc7.x86_64
This is on F7 -- the EPEL files where added around two weeks ago iirc. Maybe it would be good to add them to the wiki as well; can't hurt.
Keep in mind that I would like something easy, (like what rpmfind provides, for example) not something complicated (like download all the srpms and work out from the spec files):
- find whether a package is in RHEL or not
Simply look at the CentOS dir like? http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/centos/5/os/x86_64/CentOS/
It is really the same than: ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/4/en/ with all the subdirectories? (well is http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/centos/4/os/ the same ?)
CentOS (round about) takes the SRPMs, strips/replaces some stuff that is protected (trademarks for example) and rebuilds the SRPMs. Thus the package names and the content should be the same (especially as they are afaik aiming for compatibility in this regard).
There are some small differences; CentOS has everything in one repo while in RHEL there are some packages only part of the Client or the Server (for RHEL5 for example; it's similar in RHEL4 afaik).
The bottom part of this section http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/FAQ#head-f1c2fc524be33cdc730200379a3814c3... lists some of those differences. But they are not that important in most cases.
HTH
CU thl
Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
On 04.07.2007 11:02, Patrice Dumas wrote:
On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 10:05:03AM +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
On 04.07.2007 09:48, Patrice Dumas wrote:
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CentOS (round about) takes the SRPMs, strips/replaces some stuff that is protected (trademarks for example) and rebuilds the SRPMs. Thus the package names and the content should be the same (especially as they are afaik aiming for compatibility in this regard).
There are some small differences; CentOS has everything in one repo while in RHEL there are some packages only part of the Client or the Server (for RHEL5 for example; it's similar in RHEL4 afaik).
Also, there are a couple differences (in CentOS-5 we have stripped out the rhn* RPMS that do RHN things to/for yum / purit) ... and redhat-release is named centos-release.
Any files that are edited by CentOS for content are ".el5.centos" in the name ... whereas all the files that are built unmodified are labeled exactly as they are in RHEL.
For CentOS-3 and CentOS-4 ... files modified by CentOS may have .c3, .c4, .centos3, .centos4, .el3.centos, or .el4.centos.
In any event they will have .c3., .c4., or .centos in the name.
The bottom part of this section http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/FAQ#head-f1c2fc524be33cdc730200379a3814c3... lists some of those differences. But they are not that important in most cases.
Thanks, Johnny Hughes
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