00:00:02 < knurd> | Meeting ping dgilmore, knurd, mmcgrath, nirik, stahnma, quaid and everyone interested in EPEL -- EPEL meeting in #fedora-meeting now! 00:00:02 < knurd> | Hi everybody; who's around? 00:00:02 --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Sig meeting -- Meeting rules at http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/Schedule/MeetingGuidelines -- Init process 00:00:02 * | knurd likes to remind people that the schedule and the topic list for todays meeting can be found on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Schedule 00:00:28 * | dgilmore is kinda here 00:00:28 --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Meeting – broken deps – nirik 00:00:37 < knurd> | any process in that area? 00:00:39 --> | stahnma (Michael Stahnke) has joined #fedora-meeting 00:00:48 < Jeff_S> | knurd: can you add my name to your 'ping' so my client beeps at me when I'm not paying attention? :) 00:01:08 < nirik> | knurd: I posted a EL-4 broken deps report... haven't done much else. ;( 00:01:25 < knurd> | Jeff_S, you can add yourself :) see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Schedule 00:01:40 < nirik> | I think we need to spam maintainers... then I would be happy to try and bug personally people who still have broken deps after a while... 00:01:52 < Jeff_S> | I've meant to run repoclosure or something to verify nirik's results on my EPEL mirror, but somehow haven't got to it yet 00:02:40 < knurd> | well, someone needs to poke maintainers 00:02:43 < nirik> | I finally have local kvm centos4/centos5 virtuals on my laptop, so I should be able to test things and run repoclosure anytime someone wants. 00:02:55 < knurd> | seems otherwise stuff won't get fixed afaics 00:03:05 < knurd> | any volunteers? 00:03:17 < Jeff_S> | yes, I don't have any access to RHEL, but I can run it against CentOS 00:03:38 < knurd> | Jeff_S, that should be enough for the start afaics 00:03:46 * | mmcgrath is looking at spam-o-matic right now actually. 00:04:02 < knurd> | Jeff_S, I'll asign that job to you then? it was nirik's until now 00:04:02 < nirik> | I think most people don't realize they have broken deps... spamming them should help a lot. 00:04:14 --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Meeting – spam o magic script – mmcgrath 00:04:18 < Jeff_S> | knurd: either way 00:04:20 < knurd> | mmcgrath, any progress? 00:04:31 * | mmcgrath is looking at it right now actually. I'll commit to having this done by the next meeting. 00:04:43 < knurd> | mmcgrath, k, thx 00:04:46 < nirik> | I'd be happy to help, but have been very very busy of late... so might be better if Jeff_S takes charge of it and I can help? 00:04:54 < Jeff_S> | nirik: OK 00:04:57 < knurd> | nirik, Jeff_S, some manual poking will probably thee best 00:05:11 < knurd> | nirik, k, I#ll note that on the schedule 00:05:17 < nirik> | sure, but if we can spam and wait a week I think we will have a LOT less of them... 00:05:24 < knurd> | anything else regarding this? 00:05:26 < knurd> | nirik, +1 00:05:45 < Jeff_S> | I agree, spam, spam, spam, eggs and spam 00:06:01 < knurd> | :-) 00:06:06 < nirik> | could we start running a repoclosure before push and not push anything with new broken deps? 00:06:25 < nirik> | I realize that makes it take longer, but we don't want to add to the problem. 00:06:27 < knurd> | nirik, we'd need to modify the push script to do that 00:06:28 < dgilmore> | nirik: no 00:06:50 < dgilmore> | nirik: the scripts are not very smart 00:06:59 < knurd> | nirik, and it takes some time to run, so it would likely take to long 00:07:12 < nirik> | ok, bummer. ;( 00:07:17 < dgilmore> | each time you find a problem they need to be re ran 00:08:08 < knurd> | I'd assume most problems currently happended due to new packages hitting the repo with missing deps 00:08:14 < knurd> | bodhi should help in the long run 00:08:20 < dgilmore> | seems to be the case 00:08:29 < knurd> | I#d say we wait and see for now and watch it closely 00:08:30 < nirik> | yeah, likely so... missing epel versions of packages that are needed by that package 00:08:31 < knurd> | that okay? 00:08:41 < Jeff_S> | knurd: yes, at the very least it'll let us catch things while still in testing/ 00:08:48 < knurd> | Jeff_S, yes 00:08:53 --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Meeting – move epel dirs on servers down below stable – knurd 00:09:00 < knurd> | dgilmore didn't like that 00:09:08 < dgilmore> | ------------------------------------------------------------100000000000000 00:09:16 < quaid> | wow, that's quite negative 00:09:17 < knurd> | see discussion in #epel from some hours ago 00:09:22 * | knurd still wants it 00:09:26 < stahnma> | it's so negative, it's like positive 00:09:29 < Jeff_S> | dgilmore just outvoted all of us I think 00:09:43 * | knurd still wants to have room on the server for other stuff in EPEL, whatever we might do in the long run 00:09:48 < nirik> | we can always do it later can't we? 00:09:54 < dgilmore> | we can do that 00:09:57 < knurd> | nirik, no, I#d say either now or never 00:10:07 < dgilmore> | we should not diverge from what fedora has done forever 00:10:08 < knurd> | such a move after annoucing EPEL would be confusing 00:10:11 < mmcgrath> | :) 00:10:17 < quaid> | well, in this caes, dgilmore actually should have more weight 00:10:36 < knurd> | where would we diverge from what fedora ? 00:10:39 < knurd> | I can't see that 00:10:47 < nirik> | knurd: true, but if we announce a 'rolling' version or something weird we can just call it 'epel-rolling' or something... 00:10:51 * | quaid was not making a "big guy to another big guy" joke 00:11:01 < knurd> | nirik, and it would be a mess on the servers 00:11:27 < nirik> | personally I like the plan we came up with for updates, but then that fits the use case I have. I don't think epel can be all things for all people, we just don't have enough resources to meet all needs. 00:11:40 < dgilmore> | knurd: fedora has never put anything into a stable/ dir stable has always been the main dir 00:11:58 < knurd> | dgilmore, I'm fine with giving it another name 00:12:13 < knurd> | dgilmore, and extras was below some others dirs as well 00:12:15 < mmcgrath> | nirik: very true 00:12:21 < knurd> | that just what I want 00:12:29 < knurd> | mmcgrath, I just want to leave path open 00:12:41 < knurd> | for whatever we want to do 00:12:47 < knurd> | in the future 00:13:04 < knurd> | it a easiy move now 00:13:13 < knurd> | and we can't do it later anymore without big trouble 00:13:17 < dgilmore> | nirik: extras was the product as is epel 00:13:24 < dgilmore> | knurd: ^^ 00:13:41 < knurd> | knurd, yeah, but extras was a product of epel 00:13:50 < knurd> | we are noe epel the repo from epel the sig 00:13:58 < knurd> | so epel/epel/ would be fine as well 00:14:07 < dgilmore> | knurd: no 00:14:14 < dgilmore> | knurd: epel is a product 00:14:19 < dgilmore> | extras was a product 00:14:31 < knurd> | I still want this subdir 00:14:34 < nirik> | knurd: what sort of thing are you seeing that might happen later? totally diffrent branches/repo with rolling release? 00:14:36 < dgilmore> | /epel/<release ver> is stable 00:14:43 < knurd> | nirik, yes 00:14:48 < dgilmore> | /epel/testing/<release ver> 00:14:57 < nirik> | couldn't that be under /epel/5-rolling/ or whatever? 00:14:58 < knurd> | nirik, some contrinutors indicated that they might want that 00:15:22 < knurd> | nirik, we could, but I'd prefer a more cleaner directory structure 00:15:29 < knurd> | and I'm gettign more and more frustrated 00:15:37 < nirik> | or /epel/rolling/5/ /epel/rolling/4/ etc. 00:15:52 < knurd> | nirik, yes, and /epel/stable/5 00:15:55 * | mmcgrath thinks anything with the word 'rolling' in it will confuse the heck out of a sysadmin that doesn't contribute to fedora. 00:16:05 < nirik> | don't get frustrated... just trying to figure out what you are trying to do... :) 00:16:06 < knurd> | mmcgrath, rolling is just a example 00:16:36 * | mmcgrath likes /epel/ 00:16:38 < knurd> | nirik, just "mkdir stable; mv * stable/" 00:16:40 < dgilmore> | /epel/5/ is stable 00:16:57 < knurd> | or /epel/epel/ 00:16:57 < dgilmore> | mmcgrath: thats how it should be 00:17:08 < knurd> | some subdirectory 00:17:18 < knurd> | so we can do other stuff later 00:17:20 < knurd> | if we want to 00:17:22 < dgilmore> | mmcgrath: that is consistent with the rest of fedora. it is where people will expect it 00:17:34 < knurd> | it does not hurt if we don't want to do other stuff alter 00:17:47 < knurd> | dgilmore, then it should be under fedora/ 00:18:07 < knurd> | but we only have this epel directory 00:18:20 < knurd> | we need that for everything we might want to do sooner or later 00:18:25 < knurd> | whatever that is 00:18:32 < dgilmore> | knurd: we a are fedora product regardless of where its located on the tree 00:18:50 < dgilmore> | knurd: you are over complicating this 00:18:55 < knurd> | dgilmore, you are 00:00:01 < knurd> | the move is a easy thing now 00:00:03 < knurd> | later it's not 00:00:15 < nirik> | knurd: would rolling (or whatever) also depend on stable? or be totally different? 00:00:17 < dgilmore> | by keeping things the same as fedora as users will expect 00:00:24 < knurd> | nirik, not sure 00:00:34 * | mmcgrath wonders how centos does it? 00:00:50 < nirik> | if it depends on stable, then I think it would make sense to have epel/rolling/ like epel/testing/ 00:00:56 < nirik> | and leave the current dirs. 00:01:00 < dgilmore> | mmcgrath: they work like fedora extras did AKAIK 00:01:04 < mmcgrath> | <nod> 00:01:16 < nirik> | but if it's seperate, then knurd's moving things would make sense... 00:01:32 < knurd> | nirik, I#d say it could be both at the same time 00:01:35 < nirik> | it's hard to plan for something like this if we don't know what it's going to be. 00:01:43 < knurd> | as I said; we don#t know what we'll do in one or two years from now 00:01:52 < knurd> | a subdir leaves room for other things 00:01:56 < knurd> | whatever they look like 00:21:04 < knurd> | and I#d like to leave that path open 00:21:12 < mmcgrath> | why does leaving a subdir out mean we can't do things? 00:21:27 < knurd> | mmcgrath, it looks confusing on the server 00:21:40 < dgilmore> | knurd: no it doesnt 00:22:03 < knurd> | I thin kit will 00:22:09 < nirik> | I think epel/epel/ would confuse people... epel/stable/ might not be too bad, but would as dgilmore says be different. 00:22:33 < quaid> | knurd: I'll point out that the EPEL guidelines are to be "just like Fedora" unless there is a good reason not to, then we document it, etc. 00:22:50 < dgilmore> | nirik: /epel/<release ver> for stable is the sanest approach 00:22:52 < quaid> | so this is adding more than just directory difference, it has to be recorded, taught, etc. 00:23:00 < knurd> | quaid, what has that to do with the guidlines and the directory on the server? 00:23:18 < dgilmore> | knurd: you are wanting to diverge for no good reason 00:23:21 < quaid> | knurd: it sounds like you are asking for something different than the way it is in the rest of Fedora, right? 00:23:25 < quaid> | dgilmore: well ... 00:23:28 < knurd> | quaid, no 00:23:28 < quaid> | dgilmore: he has a good reason 00:23:31 < dgilmore> | we can do what you want without diverging 00:23:34 < quaid> | dgilmore: but he needs to convince others :) 00:23:47 < dgilmore> | quaid: we can do what he wants without changing 00:23:54 < quaid> | ok 00:24:05 < knurd> | quaid, all I want is foo in the url http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/epel/foo/5/ 00:24:18 < quaid> | dgilmore: then what are you arguing against? If it's not changing from Fedora ... 00:24:20 < knurd> | so we can do bar, baz, or whatever later 00:24:38 < knurd> | in one, two or fiver years from now 00:24:38 < mmcgrath> | knurd: why couldn't we do bar and baz later without foo? 00:24:48 < dgilmore> | quaid: moving stable elsewhere is diverging 00:25:02 < dgilmore> | there is no reason to do that 00:25:03 < mmcgrath> | even next week I don't see why /epel couldn't contain 4, 5, and testing/ 00:25:23 < knurd> | mmcgrath, if epele does foo, bar and baz, then you would expect them in different dirs 00:25:33 < mmcgrath> | and they are. 00:25:48 < knurd> | mmcgrath, it's like putting extras/ below core/ 00:25:53 < mmcgrath> | /epel/4 /epel/5 /epel/testing/4 /epel/testing/5 /epel/baz/4 /epel/baz/5 00:25:58 < knurd> | mmcgrath, that would be confusing, wound't it? 00:26:19 < quaid> | knurd: why not leave stable in epel/ and if we need a bar version later, do epel/bar/ ? 00:26:23 < knurd> | mmcgrath, it's like putting extras/ below core/ that would be confusing, wounld't it? 00:26:37 < knurd> | quaid, it's like putting extras/ below core/ that would be confusing, wounld't it? 00:26:39 < mmcgrath> | knurd: not to me but whatever. 00:26:47 < quaid> | not me either 00:27:01 < quaid> | I think it's all convention and habit more than anything 00:27:24 < mmcgrath> | knurd: look at this - http://fedora.mirror.iweb.ca/core/ 00:27:29 < dgilmore> | Lets move on because this is not going to get resolved. 00:27:39 < mmcgrath> | knurd: explain how that is confusing? 00:27:46 * | quaid suggests we take the contention to the list where it belongs :) 00:27:48 < dgilmore> | I will not make the proposed changes so someone else would have to do it and take over pushing 00:28:02 < knurd> | mmcgrath, imagine extras would be at http://fedora.mirror.iweb.ca/core/extras 00:28:23 < mmcgrath> | knurd: I'm not talking about extras or any other thing, core was a product, with versions. Epel is a product with versions. 00:28:37 < mmcgrath> | how is http://fedora.mirror.iweb.ca/core/ confusing to you? 00:28:37 < Jeff_S> | quaid: +1 00:28:37 --> | has joined #fedora-meeting 00:28:49 < knurd> | mmcgrath, but foo or bar just like core and extras might be differnet things ,standing for their ow 00:29:01 < knurd> | mising them in one dire would confuse people 00:29:09 < mmcgrath> | if its a different product, then it's not epel. 00:29:37 < nirik> | epel-hide! New packages every day. ;) 00:29:37 < knurd> | why do you guys suddenly don#t want to leave room for the future? 00:29:47 < knurd> | last week you wanted it 00:29:49 < mmcgrath> | http://fedora.mirror.iweb.ca/core/ 00:29:50 < mmcgrath> | http://fedora.mirror.iweb.ca/core/ 00:29:51 < mmcgrath> | http://fedora.mirror.iweb.ca/core/ 00:29:56 < mmcgrath> | Look at it there, seriously 00:30:02 < mmcgrath> | why couldn't epel look exactly like that? 00:30:02 < knurd> | mmcgrath, s 00:30:52 < mmcgrath> | its got development, test, updates. 00:30:57 < mmcgrath> | it could also have other things if it wanted. 00:31:06 < knurd> | mmcgrath, for me epel is like fedora; and core and extras get different dirs in fedora; epel stable and rolling get differnet dirs 00:31:15 < knurd> | mmcgrath, http://fedora.mirror.iweb.ca/extras/ 00:31:18 < knurd> | it's seperate 00:31:21 < mmcgrath> | for me epel is like core or extras. 00:31:41 < mmcgrath> | a fedora product. 00:32:10 --> | rastaman (purple) has joined #fedora-meeting 00:32:21 < rastaman> | irie bredas 00:32:37 < dgilmore> | mmcgrath: +1 00:32:38 < knurd> | k, so let's forget about it 00:32:45 * | knurd is very very disappointed 00:33:09 < knurd> | just one subdir to leave room for other things 00:33:15 < knurd> | what's so complicated about it? 00:33:20 < mmcgrath> | other things like testing, development and updates? 00:33:26 < knurd> | it doesn#t hurt anyone 00:33:36 < rastaman> | hi, this is rastaman 00:33:39 < mmcgrath> | lets move on. 00:33:45 --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Meeting – signers group – dgilmore 00:33:51 < rastaman> | how are u doing? 00:34:09 < mmcgrath> | rastaman: we're having an EPEL meeting right now, feel free to participate if you are interested in EPEL. 00:34:09 < knurd> | rastaman, this is a EPEL meeting, not a random chat channel ;-) 00:34:21 < knurd> | dgilmore ? 00:34:24 < rastaman> | ok 00:34:31 < rastaman> | sorry,, see u later 00:34:35 < knurd> | rastaman, np 00:34:39 < knurd> | rastaman, tanks 00:34:46 < rastaman> | yourwellcome 00:34:55 <-- | rastaman has left #fedora-meeting ( ) 00:35:21 * | knurd sometime wonders if this channel should be named fedora-groupmeetings or something 00:35:41 < knurd> | seem dgilmore left 00:35:43 < nirik> | doubt it would matter. ;) 00:35:46 * | knurd moves on 00:35:55 --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Meeting – branch for EPEL if Fedora maintainer does not react – knurd, _blah_ 00:36:09 < knurd> | _blah_ saind in EPEL that he supports the idea 00:36:13 < knurd> | no other reasction 00:36:17 < knurd> | is the current proposal fine? 00:36:26 < mmcgrath> | seems to have had support 00:36:26 < knurd> | +1 for the current proposal 00:36:41 < dgilmore> | sorry wife came home 00:36:50 < knurd> | dgilmore, np, we can go back to that soon 00:36:59 < nirik> | looks ok to me... +1 here... 00:37:01 < knurd> | other +1 / -1 0 for this? 00:37:20 < knurd> | come on 00:37:23 < mmcgrath> | +1 00:37:25 < knurd> | I#d like to see 4 +1 please 00:37:42 < dgilmore> | im ok with it +1 00:37:48 < knurd> | k, settled then 00:37:48 * | nirik had to go read the last version. ;) 00:37:56 --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Meeting – signers group – dgilmore 00:38:05 < knurd> | dgilmore? 00:38:15 < knurd> | we had that on the list months ago, but it got forgotten 00:38:25 < knurd> | dgilmore, you are the only one with access to the keys atm? 00:38:32 * | mmcgrath notes notting and jesse are creating a whole signing server solution 00:38:42 < mmcgrath> | but it won't be ready for a while me thinks. 00:38:45 < knurd> | knurd, it#s not only signing, also pushing 00:38:52 < dgilmore> | knurd: mmcgrath has access 00:38:54 < mmcgrath> | ahh. 00:39:22 * | mmcgrath has access but hasn't actually pushed yet :) 00:39:24 < knurd> | dgilmore, well, is that enough or do we want/need more pushsigners 00:39:29 < knurd> | ? 00:39:35 < dgilmore> | knurd: right now its enough i think 00:39:37 * | nirik would be happy to help if someone described the procedure. 00:39:42 < knurd> | dgilmore, k 00:39:44 < mmcgrath> | dgilmore: how was extras done? Just with a few people or did we have a fedora account group? 00:39:57 < dgilmore> | mmcgrath: extras_signers group 00:40:06 < dgilmore> | mmcgrath: we have epel_signers 00:40:24 < mmcgrath> | got'cha 00:40:28 < dgilmore> | there is only 4 people that do extras i think 00:40:29 < mmcgrath> | its all coming back to me now :) 00:41:11 < knurd> | I#d remove it from the schedule then? 00:41:21 < knurd> | I remove this topic from the schedule then? 00:41:39 * | knurd takes silence as support 00:41:42 --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Meeting – finish the wiki docs and remove the warnings by end of may – quaid 00:41:50 < knurd> | quaid, everything ready? 00:42:36 < quaid> | well 00:42:41 < quaid> | probably, but I'll still make changes to some stuff 00:42:47 * | quaid looks to see if all the warnings are removed 00:42:54 < quaid> | heh, the top page one ... 00:43:03 < knurd> | leave the top page one until we annouce 00:43:08 < knurd> | but remove the others 00:43:26 < knurd> | or what do the others think about it? 00:43:28 < quaid> | sure, I was actually working the guidelines as the last one last night, so I'll remove it by the end of this meeting 00:43:51 < nirik> | knurd: +1. sounds good to me. 00:43:55 < stahnma> | yup 00:44:22 < knurd> | regarding annouce: 00:44:36 < knurd> | quaid, can you write a press relase and/or a announce mail? 00:44:41 < quaid> | hmm, ok 00:45:03 < quaid> | I'll float a draft by the list, ok/ 00:45:04 < quaid> | ? 00:45:09 < knurd> | quaid, yes, thanks 00:45:11 < knurd> | btw 00:45:24 < knurd> | I set "July 24" as date for the announcement 00:45:32 < mmcgrath> | sounds good to me 00:45:38 < knurd> | other opinions? 00:45:39 < quaid> | ok 00:45:50 < knurd> | do you guys think we are ready by then? 00:45:56 < knurd> | deps soleved, wiki ready? 00:46:01 * | mmcgrath thinks so 00:46:07 < nirik> | sounds ok, I wish we had koji/bodhi, but oh well, we will make due with what we have. 00:46:09 < stahnma> | I am worried about lack of actual packages 00:46:18 < quaid> | how about ... 00:46:25 < stahnma> | in my daily work, I still download and build a LOTS of srpms from extras 00:46:26 < quaid> | an early internal announcement 00:46:27 < stahnma> | for RHEL 00:46:40 < knurd> | stahnma, well, we need to poke maintainers 00:46:49 <-- | Jeff_S has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00:46:50 < knurd> | especially those with lots of packages 00:46:54 < nirik> | stahnma: yeah, I think there are some people who are waiting for offical open, or don't know about it. 00:46:57 < quaid> | we can do an announcement on 10 July 00:46:57 < stahnma> | can we do that for while before you officially open? 00:47:02 < nirik> | we are getting close to 1000 packages. 00:47:04 < quaid> | saying we're opening the doors on 24 July 00:47:13 * | stahnma would like all perl modules plz :) 00:47:30 < quaid> | the 10 July would go to maintainers, devel-announce 00:47:41 < knurd> | 10 July? 00:47:58 < knurd> | ohh, sorry, missed that line 00:48:17 < knurd> | quaid, yeah, sounds fine 00:48:35 < nirik> | that sounds ok, but will mean we will need to really get working on fixing broken deps... 00:48:39 < knurd> | we likely should adjust the push target to testing before 24 July 00:48:46 < quaid> | 07 July - early announce draft to epel-devel-l 00:48:46 < quaid> | 10 July - early announce to maintainers 00:48:46 < quaid> | 14 July - first draft of real announcement to e-d-l 00:48:46 < quaid> | 20 July - real announcement complete 00:48:47 < quaid> | 24 July - announcement 00:48:47 < knurd> | so the new stuff lands in testing 00:48:55 < quaid> | use that as a skel 00:48:57 < knurd> | quaid, +1 00:49:01 < quaid> | for when to fix stuff by 00:49:11 < stahnma> | +1 00:49:33 < dgilmore> | quaid: id like to announce on Jul 19 00:49:58 * | knurd is fine with that as well 00:50:17 < knurd> | dgilmore, just wondering: why? 00:50:56 < dgilmore> | knurd: its a thursday whihc matches fedora release policy and i think the 26th is too long 00:51:36 < knurd> | dgilmore, I thought Fedora only announces Tuesdays to Thursdays? 00:51:38 * | nirik doesn't much care, as long as we have a clean repo ready. :) 00:51:48 < knurd> | and hta maily due to mirrors be able to sync? 00:51:53 < knurd> | which is not important for us 00:52:35 < dgilmore> | knurd: only Thursdays 00:53:25 < dgilmore> | tuesday freeze for a release the following thursday 00:53:31 < dgilmore> | its cosmetic 00:53:40 < knurd> | dgilmore, FC6 was a tuesday 00:53:47 < quaid> | rockin', np 00:53:48 < knurd> | 20061024 00:53:55 < knurd> | btu whatever 00:54:00 * | quaid recalls there was a reason for that one 00:54:01 < knurd> | I'm fine with Thursday 00:54:04 < dgilmore> | knurd: yes but its been refined since then 00:54:05 < quaid> | but I don't remembe what :) 00:54:47 < knurd> | quaid, is 19 July fine for you as well? 00:55:15 < knurd> | quaid, I'd like to offload the annouce mail and press relase to you because you are a native english speaker 00:55:51 < quaid> | knurd: 19 July is fine, I just adjusted the dates 00:55:56 < knurd> | quaid, k 00:55:57 < quaid> | that means I'll send drafts this weekend to th elist 00:56:02 < quaid> | as for press release... 00:56:11 < quaid> | we really don't have that as part of Fedora stuff 00:56:26 < quaid> | that is, we don't have a way to e.g. release something on Business Wire 00:56:43 < knurd> | some kind of document somewhere would be neough I#d say 00:56:52 < quaid> | just curious if we wanted that level of attention 00:56:59 < knurd> | good question 00:57:00 < quaid> | and I don't think we can get it easily :) 00:57:24 < quaid> | one thing that we can do is write the announcement using the 'press-release' module, so it can easily be translated. 00:57:39 < quaid> | ok, I'm good from here, just being semantic :) 00:57:47 < knurd> | wk 00:57:48 < knurd> | k 00:57:57 <-- | No5251 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:58:02 --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Meeting – RHX and EPEL – quaid 00:58:13 < knurd> | quaid, f13 said you know about that stuff? 00:58:25 * | knurd sill does not fully understand RHX 00:58:54 < mmcgrath> | knurd: I'm not sure anyone fully understands it yet :) 00:58:59 < knurd> | :-) 00:59:17 < mmcgrath> | knurd: I think the point is trying to get those RHX applications that could be in EPEL space, in EPEL space. 00:59:22 < knurd> | but I tend to say tha apps that are in RHX should be able to be in EPEL as well 00:59:23 < dgilmore> | knurd: its a place for people to make there software available for rhel with paid support 00:59:38 < quaid> | sorry, back 00:59:38 < knurd> | mmcgrath, +1 00:59:52 < quaid> | ok, here's the status ... 00:59:56 < mmcgrath> | Its mostly just that some of those groups will want to release software somehow and we already have systems in place to do it. 01:00:02 < dgilmore> | we should try to work it so that Free and open source software in RHX is available in EPEL with community support 01:00:14 * | quaid reads opinions 01:00:20 < nirik> | dgilmore: +1 01:00:29 < stahnma> | +1 01:00:35 < knurd> | dgilmore, +1 01:00:42 < quaid> | I doubt we'll have any problem with that idea 01:01:00 < quaid> | I think the RHX folks feel the same; they have no need to duplicate what we do for no reason, and lose the gain of the community 01:01:16 < quaid> | it's going to be a few weeks until we can get a formal set of guidelines between the two groups 01:01:48 < quaid> | mainly it's about the messaging, making sure that it's easy to know the difference between a package from EPEL and one from RHX 01:02:06 < quaid> | I made the point that ISVs can control that best if the ... actually own the package in Fedora :) 01:02:13 < knurd> | :-) 01:02:15 < quaid> | so, I think it's all mainly details 01:02:20 < knurd> | quaid, I just leave it on the schedule 01:02:27 < quaid> | cool 01:02:31 < knurd> | quaid, should we discuss it on the list? 01:02:35 < knurd> | or was this discussion enough? 01:02:46 * | mmcgrath thinks the list would be good so we have something to point isv's at when they come around. 01:02:50 < quaid> | I'll update next week, but it will be a few until we have guidelines 01:02:51 < knurd> | mmcgrath, +1 01:02:52 < mmcgrath> | some might be around now and just not speaking up :) 01:03:05 < quaid> | ok, I can send an update to the list at some point soon 01:03:09 < knurd> | quaid, thx 01:03:18 --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Meeting -- Free discussion around EPEL 01:03:22 < mmcgrath> | quaid: are you in a position where you could contact the RHX ISV's and ask them to join th eepel list? 01:03:24 < knurd> | it's getting late 01:03:36 < knurd> | anything else that can't wait till next week? 01:03:46 * | stahnma needs to leave 01:03:48 * | mmcgrath has nothing 01:03:49 < quaid> | mmcgrath: that's for Huff to do, ultimately 01:03:58 * | dgilmore has to travel for work July 16-26 any probably wont be available much during that time 01:04:04 < quaid> | mmcgrath: but also, I am going to hook up with the ISV partner marketing people, so we are hitting them from all angles 01:04:20 < quaid> | I expect actual ISV communication to be slow and trickly 01:04:29 < quaid> | we might want to make a wishlist of who to talk to first 01:04:33 < mmcgrath> | cool 01:04:34 < quaid> | I know dgilmore wants Zimbra :) 01:04:40 < dgilmore> | quaid: zimbra :) 01:04:56 < mmcgrath> | heh 01:04:56 --> | llaumgui (LLaumgui) has joined #fedora-meeting 01:04:57 * | quaid has Alfresco on his wishlist 01:05:14 * | knurd will close the meeting in 30 01:05:29 * | knurd will close the meeting in 15 01:05:44 < knurd> | -- MARK -- Meeting end
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