i18n May 2009

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Re: Clarification on the terminology for input...
by Jens-Ulrik Petersen 29 May '09

29 May '09

> 1. What do you call iBus, or SCIM or IIIMF? > A) Input Method > B) Input System > C) Input Engine > D) Input Method Engine > E) or something else I guess I call it an input method system. > 2. What do you call im-chooser? Well I think it is an input method configuration tool. > 3. What do you call Phonetic, Inscript, iTrans, Anthy, etc? > A) Keyboard Map > B) Keyboard Layout > C) or something else Well for the Indic maps I would call them input maps (for the m17n engine). Anthy is an input method engine (IME). > If we can standardize these > terminologies first and document it somewhere on the fedora i18n > pages, > there would be ease of communication while discussing the i18n input > issues. Yes it would be good to document on the wiki. I added some initial text on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/InputMethods#Terminology Maybe others can review and offer comments and clarification. Thanks for your questions. Jens

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Clarification on the terminology for input...
by Ankit Patel 28 May '09

28 May '09

Hi, I am bit confused on the terminology being used to communicate input system or method or engines or keyboard maps or keyboard layouts. I think, there are many others who has different set of terminologies for input related things. 1. What do you call iBus, or SCIM or IIIMF? A) Input Method B) Input System C) Input Engine D) Input Method Engine E) or something else 2. What do you call im-chooser? A) no idea what could it be called 3. What do you call Phonetic, Inscript, iTrans, Anthy, etc? A) Keyboard Map B) Keyboard Layout C) or something else I have above queries, because recently I have noticed that Inscript, iTrans, kind of keymaps being addressed by the word "Input Method". That has made my (and many others') iBus test results being understood in a different way than I wanted to. If we can standardize these terminologies first and document it somewhere on the fedora i18n pages, there would be ease of communication while discussing the i18n input issues. Thanks! -- Regards, Ankit Patel http://www.indianoss.org/

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IBus UI review
by Matthias Clasen 20 May '09

20 May '09

Not sure if this is the correct place to send this, but I'll send it here anyway (please tell me if there's a better place). I've recently installed ibus in order to get some impression of how our new im framework will integrate in the desktop. While playing with it, I took some notes, that I'd like to share. Matthias --- Status icon - The tooltip "IBus - Running" is pretty pointless less and should be removed until there is something useful to say - There is no way to switch back to "no input method" from the status icon. I have to press Ctrl-space to go back. Maybe add an "None" entry at the bottom of the menu ? Toolbar - Why do input methods seem to fancy these weird undecorated floating toolbars ? Does it add anything that is not already present in the status icon ? - If we can't drop it, can there at least be a way to turn it off ? - The toolbar seems useless if "focus-follows-mouse" is turned on, since it becomes inactive on focus out. This also affects the status icon. Menus - What is the plan, going forward, wrt to im-chooser ? I'd hate to have 2 input method related menuitems in the default install. My preference would be to not install the im-chooser by default, since it is only needed to switch back to 'legacy' frameworks. - It would be great if we could use the generic "Input Method" menuitem for the ibus preferences, and maybe rename im-chooser to "Input Method Framework" or something like that. - Alternatively, if we can't get rid of im-chooser by default, maybe ibus-setup should not have its own menu item (I notice that scim-setup doesn't have one either), since it is available via im-chooser. - There is a mismatch between the menuitem and the ibus-setup window, both the window title and icon don't match the menu, as they should. Preferences, General tab - "Aauto start IBus on session login" is very techno babble. Can we make that something like "Enable Input Methods" ? I don't think there is any need to talk about sessions and autostart here. - Keyboard shortcuts: I would love to see these moved to the keyboard shortcuts capplet, which has support for handling application-defined shortcuts. As a bonus, you get automatic conflict handling. The one restriction is that currently, only one key-combination per action is possible. If having multiple is essential, you could either split it into "Trigger", "Alternative Trigger", "Second Alternative Trigger", or file a bug and I'll look into enabling multiple shortcuts per action in the keybinding capplet - "UI" is a bad section label. How about "Fonts & Style" instead ? Even better would be to split it into two sections, a la Input Window Lookup table orientation: [Vertical] [ ] Use the system font Input Window Font: [Sans 10] Language Bar [ ] Show language bar [ ] Hide language bar when it is not needed Preferences, Engine tab - "Engine" is a technical term that is not really helpful here. How about "Languages" instead ? - There are some icons missing in the combo box, e.g Telugu-apple, Telugu-rts, Marathi-phonetic, Marathi-itrans... - The main list needs to repeat the language name (like the status icon menu already does) otherwise it is not clear if "phonetic" is Oriya or Marathi. Preferences, About tab This should not be done as a tab, it is very much against the style of our preference tools. There is already an About menu item on the status icon. If you absolutely want to have an "About" in the preferences, it should be a left-aligned "About" button in the action area that brings up an about dialog. But I'd really just get rid of it.

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by sergio.puas＠hotmail.com 19 May '09

19 May '09

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Tested: ibus-anthy
by UTUMI Hirosi 18 May '09

18 May '09

Hi, I got the mail from Adam Williamson, // Hi, guys - hope you don't mind me mailing you about this :) Fedora's running a Test Day this Thursday (er, think U.S. time, roughly...) for iBus, the new input system intended to replace SCIM. // so I've tested ibus on testday-20090512-x86_64.iso. [Results] User: utumi Keyboard: jp Desktop: GNOME Desktop Language: en Activation: OK Input method: anthy Application: abiword (OK) firefox (OK) gedit (OK) gnome-terminal (OK) [Notes] fedora live cd doesn't include qt3/qt4 apps, so I didn't test them. I don't want to send "Telephone Number" and "Postal Address" only for editing fedora wiki, so I post this mail to fedora-i18n-ml. :-) [fedora's anthy package] (This is not a bug of ibus.) Tagoh-san added extra dictionaries to anthy, but he removed some special numbers. Mandriva: anthy-mandriva.png (see the attached files) Fedora: anthy-fedora.png I think some users need them. Regards, Hirosi -------------------------------------- Power up the Internet with Yahoo! Toolbar. http://pr.mail.yahoo.co.jp/toolbar/

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by sergio.puas＠hotmail.com 13 May '09

13 May '09

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2009-05-14 - Fedora Test Day - IBus input method
by James Laska 12 May '09

12 May '09

Greetings folks, You may have already seen the announcement on fedora-{test,devel}-list (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-May/msg00444.html). In case you missed it, I'd like to invite you to join #fedora-qa this Thursday, May 14, 2009 to help test the iBus input method. More details available on the wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-05-14_iBus. Hope to see you there! Thanks, James

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