livecd October 2006

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Re: Fedora-livecd-list Digest, Vol 18, Issue 7
by Ahm ed 29 Oct '06

29 Oct '06

Excellent point Jdog( I assume that's the name) I must add that the Fedora Live cd put out by Fedora-Unity has consistently failed to properly detect my video card as well as the one on my parents computer. It seems there is no dynamic generation of the xorg.conf file. Rather the vesa driver is enabled which sadly does not work for many cards. This is a problem I hope will be resolved. Good luck. If you need any help please as and if I or other members can't do it we can hopefully direct the proper people to come and provided assistance.

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Kadischi - GUI
by J. Hartline 28 Oct '06

28 Oct '06

Chitlesh Goorah Is there a possibility you can host the latest of your Kadischi PyQT or GTK GUI code so others can work on it? J. Hartline

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Re: goals/status?
by Jane Dogalt 28 Oct '06

28 Oct '06

Ok, I should probably reply to the thread I started. So it sounds like the basic agreement is that the key 'missing' feature is an installable livecd, with the install-from-livecd method being so useful it could potentially replace the standard installation method. My thoughts on this are- - I'm personally a little more concerned with the generic robustness of the livecd as a livecd. I can see why fedora, playing catchup in the livecd space, might be tempted to pursue the livecd-installer feature, but I would remind people that the evolution of other great livecds started with a robust livecd, and then added the livecd installer later. Personally I'd like to see a robust fc6 livecd, without installer, that gets widely used, just as a livecd first. I think there is a lot of development and testing/quality-assurance infrastructure that needs to be layed down to achieve that. I think there is a lot you can do to make a livecd popular that you can't do if you are trying to make it be the holy-grail installer replacement from the beginning. I.e. putting so much emphasis on the installer feature will bog the project down, because it will take so much work on so many corner cases to actually make it replace the age-old standard install method. (not that it can't be done, but I think it should be done incrementally, i.e. a robust livecd first, then beta installer that evolves to installer-replacement quality). - regarding the actual implementation of the install-from-livecd, I think that all methods described so far are useful, valid, and should all be available in the ideal output. I.e. the livecd generator should be able to include: a) a version of anaconda that talks to network repos, and basically behaves more or less just like anaconda does now on the standard install cd(it is technically a livecd already...). I.e. upgrades matter, full flexibility matters*** ***tangent) one thing that has always bugged me (and many others) about fedora and other linux distros, is that it is not trivial and obvious how to reconfigure the things configured during install. I.e. I think there should be a post install system-config-* for every aspect of configuration during the install, and that the interface should look similar enough that users realize it's the same thing. I.e. the whole gparted not as good as anaconda partitioning, or the long time it took to see most of the system-config-* tools which are finally approaching this ideal. b) the version of anaconda in (a) should also be able to talk to local repo, if the livecd generator was told to include a local repo. Optionally the local repo could be dynamically generated by repacking livecd files, to save space (i.e. keep enough info in the livecd filesystem to reconstruct the rpms on the fly). c) an installer that just installs the same system as on the livecd should exist, which requires no extra repos. Possibly via rebootless method I previously outlined, or a simple tarcopy from the mounted livecd fs, along with partitioning tool and bootloader install tool (e.g. pilgrim(?)). Then, the livecd installed system, should be one which is (a) locked down and smartly configured as a 'base' system (b) trivially post-install reconfigurable via the system-config-* tools (or GUI control-panel-alike) into any kind of system that could have been configured via the traditional installer/configurator(i.e. anaconda). Anyway, in conclusion, I plan to work on the above sorts of things. Much more so in 2 months when my school workload drops by about a factor of 3. And hopefully there isn't some radical aspect of this installer debate which I'm oblivious to because I haven't yet played with the latest RHEL beta. later... -dmc/jdog ____________________________________________________________________________________ Low, Low, Low Rates! Check out Yahoo! Messenger's cheap PC-to-Phone call rates (http://voice.yahoo.com)

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Anaconda installer issue
by Ahm ed 25 Oct '06

25 Oct '06

I too had the idea of using anaconda to install from the live-cd, the idea was to first use a dvd, then eventually find a way to narrow the package list down, to allow for the use of a cd. I think however this may not ALWAYS be the best method. I don't mind having the basic setup on the cd copied directly to the disk, in that manner I don't have to use up a dvd, instead I will only need to download and burn a CD. So long as we get something like ubuntu's reconstructer to allow each person to EASILY reconfigure the cd to their tastes and their needs. Both ideas are necessary, an all inclusive dvd and a basic cd. It would seem the use of anaconda on the dvd would be a good idea since for the most part people won't want to have ALL that software installed and anaconda allows for that customization.

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goals/status?
by Jane Dogalt 23 Oct '06

23 Oct '06

While I have my own projects and goals, I was wondering what the general status is regarding this list - "fedora live cd". Specifically, I'm curious as to what the top 3 unfinished goals are for this project. And what the current plan for achieving those goals is, and where the output will be hosted for testing that meets those goals (when that happens). It seems to me, that there should be a checklist/bugzilla of features, that describe what we are aiming for, such that if someone uses kadischi or pilgrim or some other tool to generate a prototype, that beta testers can refer to and evaluate said prototype. Obviously there are many desired features, but what I'd like to see, is maybe a weekly/monthly listing of the top 3 "todo items", so that we can start knocking them off, and seeing things progress. So, to clarify/reiterate- 1) where are the alhpa/beta prototypes (give me urls/torrents that work) and 2) what are the top (3) priority features that are missing. One of the key things I've been working on in my own project, and mentioning here for some time now, is that I'd like to see a completely automated livecd generation system. Such that a cvs tree of extra files/configuration might get nightly/weekly built into a testable .iso. I think if we had that infrastructure, it would drastically increase the rate of progress on the project. It would be like "hey, feature XYZ on build fedora-livecd-20061020a.iso is broken", or "this build just got this feature, please test." agree/disagree? -dmc/jdog __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Kadischi - graphical frontend
by J. Hartline 20 Oct '06

20 Oct '06

Hello. Chitlesh Goorah, I am curious if I can get the latest version of your GUI frontend for Kadischi. I have some time available and would like to toss around with the GUI a bit. It looked good last time I saw it. Thans. J. Hartline

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USB-Disk Bootable Fedora Core 5?
by George Nincehelser 02 Oct '06

02 Oct '06

I know this is somewhat tangential to the list, but I was wondering if anyone has had success making a bootable Fedora (preferably Core 5) on an external USB hard drive? (Not a flash drive, but an actual notebook hard drive connected to a USB adapter) I've gotten to the point where Fedora is installed on the HD, a new mkinitrd is built to include the necessary USB modules, Grub configured, etc. However, when Fedora starts to boot, it eventually panics because it can't find the volumes. I've tried it without LVM, but that didn't help. It just panics on trying to mount the partitions instead. I've gotten DSL running from a flash drive, but I'd really rather have a Fedora install on a USB hard drive that I could run anywhere. Any insight would be appreciated! Thanks George

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