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Re: APAC Bi-Weekly meeting Minutes= Saturday, November 24th, 2012 at 04:00 UTC
by Suresh Packiyarajah 23 Nov '12

23 Nov '12

Dear All, Thanks to everyone who came to the meetings today! Meeting summary --------------- * Roll call (Suresh, 04:21:02) * News from FAmSCo (Suresh, 04:22:33) * Review action items from last meeting (Suresh, 04:28:01) * APAC Events: plans, status, reports (Suresh, 04:32:01) * Release Party planning 13 Jan in Aceh, Indonesia. (Suresh, 04:36:38) * Trac tickets (Suresh, 04:58:14) * Miscellaneous (Suresh, 05:00:13) * Open Floor (Suresh, 05:02:14) Meeting ended at 05:06:26 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * Suresh (71) * azneita (20) * jurank_dankkal (14) * bckurera (13) * zodbot (11) * KageSenshi (11) * dan408 (5) * maktrix (4) * timc_ (2) * ekoikhyar (2) * Guest54809 (1) Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-11-24/apac_ambassadors… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-11-24/apac_ambassadors… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-11-24/apac_ambassadors… Thank You all. Look forwarding to the next meeting. Please have a nice weekend. Thanks & Regards, Suresh On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Suresh Packiyarajah <sureshp8(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Hi APAC Ambassadors, > > Kind reminder. > > -Suresh > > > > On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Truong Anh. Tuan <tuanta(a)iwayvietnam.com>wrote: > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "David Ramsey" <diamond_ramsey(a)hotmail.com> >> > To: "Fedora Ambassadors" <ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> >> > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 5:47:01 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] FYI, next weekly APAC meeting = Saturday, >> November 24th, 2012 at 04:00 UTC >> > >> > FYI, a friendly reminder, the next weekly APAC meeting = Saturday, >> > November 24th, 2012 at 04:00 UTC >> >> I will attend. >> >> > * Big topic FUDCon APAC 2013. :) >> >> Cool :) >> >> See you. >> >> <snipped> >> >> Kind regards, >> Tuan >> -- >> ambassadors mailing list >> ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors >> > >

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EMEA ambassadors meeting 2012-11-21 minutes
by Jiri Eischmann 21 Nov '12

21 Nov '12

Hi everyone, our today's meeting lasted 1 hour and 45 minutes and 8 EMEA ambassadors participated. If you missed it, read meeting minutes: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-11-21/emea_ambassadors… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-11-21/emea_ambassadors… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-11-21/emea_ambassadors… The next meeting will be at 21:00 UTC on Dec 5th. Meet you in two weeks! Jiri

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F18 Beta Blocker Bug Review #9 Minutes
by Tim Flink 21 Nov '12

21 Nov '12

==================================== #fedora-qa: f18beta-blocker-review-9 ==================================== Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-qa/2012-11-21/f18beta-blocker-revie… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-qa/2012-11-21/f18beta-blocker-revie… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-qa/2012-11-21/f18beta-blocker-revie… Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (tflink, 17:03:21) * Introduction (tflink, 17:13:01) * Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. (tflink, 17:13:50) * We'll be following the process outlined at: (tflink, 17:13:57) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting (tflink, 17:13:57) * The bugs up for review today are available at: (tflink, 17:14:02) * LINK: http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current (tflink, 17:14:03) * The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at: (tflink, 17:14:09) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Alpha_Release_Criteria (tflink, 17:14:10) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Beta_Release_Criteria (tflink, 17:14:10) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Final_Release_Criteria (tflink, 17:14:10) * Up for review today, there are: (tflink, 17:14:27) * 4 Proposed Blockers (tflink, 17:14:33) * 8 Accepted Blockers (tflink, 17:14:33) * 1 Proposed NTH (tflink, 17:14:33) * 22 Accepted NTH (tflink, 17:14:33) * (878225) unlock of VG w/ multiple encrypted PVs in custom leads to traceback (tflink, 17:15:50) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=878225 (tflink, 17:15:53) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, MODIFIED (tflink, 17:15:55) * AGREED: 878225 - RejectedBlocker (beta) - This doesn't clearly hit any of the F18 beta release criterion and seems to be outside the most common paths - this doesn't prevent installs on the machine and thus, rejected as blocker (tflink, 17:24:27) * (875942) KeyError: None (tflink, 17:25:32) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875942 (tflink, 17:25:33) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, MODIFIED (tflink, 17:25:33) * AGREED: 875942 - RejectedBlocker (beta) - This doesn't clearly hit any of the F18 beta release criteria and seems to be outside the most common paths - this doesn't prevent installs on affected machines and thus is rejected as a blocker for F18 beta. (tflink, 17:31:02) * (878967) Installation fails when selecting german language (tflink, 17:31:31) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=878967 (tflink, 17:31:31) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 17:31:31) * LINK: http://fpaste.org/UE5w (adamw, 17:34:09) * LINK: http://94.247.144.115/anaconda.png (tflink, 17:36:54) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=864622 seems to be a change related to man pages (drago01, 18:09:30) * may be related to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=569392 (tflink, 18:20:59) * LINK: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4713781 (drago01, 18:24:07) * AGREED: 878967 - This could be a blocker but it needs more triage to figure out exactly what's going on and if other languages are affected. Will re-visit once more information is available. (tflink, 18:32:15) * (877871) KeyError: None (tflink, 18:33:58) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=877871 (tflink, 18:33:58) * Proposed NTH, anaconda, ASSIGNED (tflink, 18:33:58) * AGREED: 877871 - RejectedNTH - This seems like a rather non-standard use case and avoidable enough to not take a fix past freeze. (tflink, 18:38:31) * (878959) firewall-config can't set permanent rule (tflink, 18:38:40) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=878959 (tflink, 18:38:40) * Proposed NTH, firewalld, MODIFIED (tflink, 18:38:41) * AGREED: 878959 - RejectedNTH - This could be fixed with an update and thus, does not need to be pulled in past freeze and does not qualify for NTH status. (tflink, 18:43:15) * (868755) rsync error handling - UEFI and live installs without enough space (tflink, 18:43:50) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=868755 (tflink, 18:43:54) * Accepted Blocker, anaconda, MODIFIED (tflink, 18:43:56) * this has been tested with RC1 and appears to have been fixed (tflink, 18:44:42) * move to VERIFIED (tflink, 18:44:48) * (872047) fedup-dracut builds do not exist in F18 (tflink, 18:45:10) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=872047 (tflink, 18:45:10) * Accepted Blocker, fedup-dracut, ON_QA (tflink, 18:45:10) * builds exist in updates-testing and were pulled into RC1 (tflink, 18:45:24) * builds need testing and karma (tflink, 18:45:32) * (873459) Upgraded system does not reboot if a kernel upgrade is part of the upgrade (tflink, 18:47:10) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=873459 (tflink, 18:47:13) * Accepted Blocker, fedup-dracut, ON_QA (tflink, 18:47:16) * this appears to have been fixed from limited testing (tflink, 18:48:30) * it will be moved to VERIFIED if more detailed/varied testing holds up (tflink, 18:48:45) * (876366) New kernel copies its args from the Upgrade System entry (tflink, 18:48:57) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=876366 (tflink, 18:48:57) * Accepted Blocker, fedup-dracut, MODIFIED (tflink, 18:48:57) * this appears to have been fixed in limited testing (tflink, 18:49:45) * will move to VERIFIED after a more detailed verification (tflink, 18:49:57) * (876655) Lorax does not support building initramfs for fedup (tflink, 18:50:25) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=876655 (tflink, 18:50:25) * Accepted Blocker, lorax, MODIFIED (tflink, 18:50:25) * RC1 does include upgrade.img built by lorax (tflink, 18:50:55) * this has been fixed, moving to VERIFIED (tflink, 18:51:43) * Open Floor (tflink, 18:53:52) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/975 (nirik, 18:54:07) * fesco has not yet decided whether secureboot functionality is a blocker for F18 beta (tflink, 18:54:50) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/975 (tflink, 18:55:00) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/974 also needs input. ;) (nirik, 18:58:14) * fesco is also deciding whether to loosen the "1 week slips only" policy (tflink, 18:59:40) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/974 (tflink, 18:59:51) * input to the decision process would (probably) be appreciated by fesco (tflink, 19:00:18) * The next blocker review meeting (if needed, pending go/no-go decision) will be on 2012-11-28 @ 17:00 UTC (tflink, 19:00:55) Meeting ended at 19:01:47 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tflink (203) * adamw (108) * kparal (54) * drago01 (43) * jreznik (20) * nirik (19) * jreznik_ (11) * akshayvyas (9) * zodbot (5) * robatino (2) * satellit_e (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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FAmNA Meeting (21 November 2012)
by Dan Mashal 20 Nov '12

20 Nov '12

====================== #fedora-meeting: FAmNA ====================== Meeting started by dan408_ at 02:00:29 UTC. The full logs are available athttp://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-11-21/fedora-meeting… . Meeting summary --------------- * roll call (dan408_, 02:01:04) * === Announcements === (dan408_, 02:04:37) * === Tickets === (dan408_, 02:06:19) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 (dan408_, 02:06:31) * Ticket #33 - 2012 Fedora Merchandise Order (dan408_, 02:06:49) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pchestek/TMGuidelinesDraft#Ambassador_Gi… (inode0, 02:11:58) * LINK: http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/27066_382294479570_6377340_n.jpg (rbergeron, 02:28:22) * ACTION: Dan to follow up with suehle about a conference room for FADNA (dan408_, 02:33:44) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassador_Day_North_America_2013 (dan408_, 02:34:04) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAMNA_Reimbursement_Guidelines (dan408_, 02:37:00) * Open Floor (dan408_, 02:39:42) Meeting ended at 02:41:39 UTC. Action Items ------------ * Dan to follow up with suehle about a conference room for FADNA Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * Dan to follow up with suehle about a conference room for FADNA People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * dan408_ (104) * chanchito (34) * inode0 (33) * masta (12) * rbergeron (12) * NiveusLuna (12) * zodbot (10) * graphite6 (5)

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Docs Meeting Summary -- 19 November 2012
by Ben Cotton 19 Nov '12

19 Nov '12

Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (bcotton, 14:00:21) * Reminder: participants are encouraged to make liberal use of #info #link and #help (bcotton, 14:05:15) * Follow up on last week's action items (bcotton, 14:05:44) * ACTION: bcotton to finish RN RPM (bcotton, 14:06:10) * ACTION: bcotton to add BZ 865922/875433 to Release Notes (bcotton, 14:06:19) * ACTION: randomuser and dan408 to improve MATE blurb in RNs (bcotton, 14:08:02) * Fedora 18 schedule (bcotton, 14:08:17) * LINK: http://jreznik.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-18/f-18-docs-tasks.html (bcotton, 14:08:26) * Beta is scheduled to be released 27 November (bcotton, 14:09:24) * F 18 final is scheduled for 8 Jan (bcotton, 14:09:30) * Release Notes (bcotton, 14:22:18) * Outstanding BZ Tickets (bcotton, 14:24:46) * LINK: http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84 (bcotton, 14:24:53) * Open floor discussion (bcotton, 14:26:57) Meeting ended at 14:30:45 UTC. Action Items ------------ * bcotton to finish RN RPM * bcotton to add BZ 865922/875433 to Release Notes * randomuser and dan408 to improve MATE blurb in RNs Action Items, by person ----------------------- * bcotton * bcotton to finish RN RPM * bcotton to add BZ 865922/875433 to Release Notes * randomuser * randomuser and dan408 to improve MATE blurb in RNs People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * bcotton (49) * lnovich (16) * Sparks (7) * jjmcd (6) * zodbot (4) * zoglesby (3) * Capesteve (2) Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-11-19/fedora_docs.2012… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-11-19/fedora_docs.2012… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-11-19/fedora_docs.2012… -- Ben Cotton Fedora Docs Leader

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Fedora Kernel Meeting Minutes for Nov 16, 2012
by Josh Boyer 19 Nov '12

19 Nov '12

The minutes below are fairly sparse in content. The meeting itself was very brief, so feel free to look in the full logs. A summary on F18 beta is "we're in fairly decent shape. Testing and karma for the kernels in updates-testing are always appreciated." ============================== #fedora-meeting: Fedora Kernel ============================== Meeting started by jwb at 19:00:03 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-11-16/fedora-meeting.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * init (jwb, 19:00:19) * F18 beta status (jwb, 19:02:10) * open floor (jwb, 19:10:56) * LINK: http://paste.stg.fedoraproject.org/1794/ (nirik, 19:31:07) Meeting ended at 19:35:50 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * jwb (56) * jforbes (21) * brunowolff (9) * nirik (9) * zodbot (2) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2012-11-15)
by Kevin Fenzi 15 Nov '12

15 Nov '12

============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2012-11-15) ============================================ Meeting started by nirik at 19:00:00 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-11-15/infrastructure.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Welcome starfighters! (nirik, 19:00:01) * New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks (nirik, 19:02:11) * Applications status / discussion (nirik, 19:03:53) * docs update for fedocal - pingou (nirik, 19:05:11) * coprs work is moving forward (nirik, 19:05:22) * LINK: https://fedocal.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ (pingou, 19:05:32) * lmacken pushed out a bodhi bugfix update. (nirik, 19:05:33) * LINK: http://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/copr.git (skvidal, 19:05:35) * zeromq3 will go to production after freeze. (nirik, 19:07:43) * cgit update today for security issue. (nirik, 19:08:33) * LINK: http://gnome.org/opw (lmacken, 19:11:00) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Outreach_Program_For_Women_2013?rd=Outreach_… (threebean, 19:11:20) * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Outreach_Program_For_Women_2013 program coming up. (nirik, 19:13:10) * Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 19:13:23) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedorahosted/ (threebean, 19:20:44) * LINK: https://github.com/CodeBlock/fedorahosted (pingou, 19:20:44) * Private Cloud status update (nirik, 19:23:01) * Security FAD update (nirik, 19:39:38) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Infrastructure_Security_2012/FAS_plan (nirik, 19:41:06) * skvidal to pick up folks from airport. (nirik, 19:47:49) * Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 19:53:47) * 2012-11-13 to 2012-11-27 F18 Beta Freeze (nirik, 19:54:06) * 2012-11-20 FY2014 budget due (nirik, 19:54:06) * 2012-11-27 F18 Beta release (nirik, 19:54:06) * 2012-11-22 to 2012-11-23 Thanksgiving holiday (nirik, 19:54:06) * 2012-11-26 to 2012-11-29 Security FAD (nirik, 19:54:06) * 2012-12-18 to 2013-01-08 F18 Final Freeze (nirik, 19:54:07) * 2012-11-30 end of 3nd quarter (nirik, 19:54:09) * 2012-12-01 nag fi-apprentices (nirik, 19:54:11) * 2012-12-24 to 2013-01-01 Red Hat Shutdown for holidays. (nirik, 19:54:13) * 2013-01-08 F18 release. (nirik, 19:54:15) * 2013-01-18 to 2013-01-20 FUDCON Lawrence (nirik, 19:54:17) * Open Floor (nirik, 19:58:35) Meeting ended at 20:00:59 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (115) * skvidal (93) * SmootherFrOgZ (22) * abadger1999 (21) * smooge (15) * pingou (14) * threebean (9) * lmacken (8) * relrod_school (8) * zodbot (5) * jds2001 (2) * miguelcnf (1) * marcdeop (1) * samkottler (1) * LoKoMurdoK (1) * herlo (1) * frankly3d (1) * ricky (0) * mdomsch (0) * relrod (0) * dgilmore (0) -- 19:00:00 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2012-11-15) 19:00:00 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Nov 15 19:00:00 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:00 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 19:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 19:00:01 <nirik> #topic Welcome starfighters! 19:00:01 <nirik> #chair smooge skvidal relrod ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean 19:00:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik relrod ricky skvidal smooge threebean 19:00:10 * skvidal is here 19:00:14 <smooge> here 19:00:21 * pingou 19:00:36 * SmootherFrOgZ waves 19:01:14 * miguelcnf yeallow 19:01:17 * relrod_school here 19:01:43 <frankly3d> lurking 19:01:50 * lmacken 19:02:09 <nirik> ok, cool. lets go ahead and get started. 19:02:11 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks 19:02:26 <nirik> any new folks like to introduce themselves, or any apprentices want to discuss anything? 19:02:49 <threebean> (here) 19:03:07 * samkottler is here 19:03:11 <abadger1999> óla 19:03:47 <nirik> ok, lets move along then... ;) 19:03:53 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 19:04:03 <nirik> Any application/devel news this week or upcoming? 19:04:13 <pingou> I wrote some docs for fedocal 19:04:20 <skvidal> coprs work is moving along 19:04:25 <lmacken> I pushed a new bodhi bugfix release out this week. 19:04:33 <skvidal> we have code in the git repo now and I'm doing tests on the backend in euca now 19:04:50 <skvidal> hopefully slavek will have some good stuff for us next week for the front end, he's been sick :( 19:05:11 <nirik> #info docs update for fedocal - pingou 19:05:21 * relrod_school is still working on php-fas though this week has been pretty hectic school-wise, and I've been offline more than I'd like. 19:05:22 <nirik> #info coprs work is moving forward 19:05:32 <pingou> https://fedocal.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ 19:05:33 <nirik> #info lmacken pushed out a bodhi bugfix update. 19:05:35 <skvidal> http://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/copr.git 19:05:53 <nirik> skvidal: whats the frontend in? flask? 19:05:53 * jds2001 here 19:06:02 <skvidal> nirik: yep and its on openshift atm 19:06:17 <nirik> ah, ok. 19:06:17 <SmootherFrOgZ> I did work on couple defect task from FAS preparing a new release but I don't think it will hit prod before security FAD 19:06:38 <SmootherFrOgZ> there are some already pushed to master, etc 19:06:46 <nirik> SmootherFrOgZ: will you be able to help out remote on the 2 factor fas work at the fad? 19:07:07 <SmootherFrOgZ> sure, I be there remotely 19:07:11 <SmootherFrOgZ> will* 19:07:16 <nirik> excellent. 19:07:21 <threebean> I never got that zeromq3 stuff into production like I said I would last week. Gonna wait now until the freeze is up again. 19:07:30 <nirik> fair enough. 19:07:43 <nirik> #info zeromq3 will go to production after freeze. 19:07:57 <threebean> But i released fedmsg-0.6.0 today with a bunch of goodies. A fedmsg-announce command for admins, a fedmsg-twitter daemon, and some new authz stuff. 19:08:08 <nirik> FYI, I pushed a security update for cgit to all our cgit using hosts this morning. Thanks to lmacken for seeing it. ;) 19:08:09 <SmootherFrOgZ> ls 19:08:11 <threebean> gonna test it all out in stg in the coming weeks 19:08:33 <nirik> #info cgit update today for security issue. 19:09:01 <lmacken> .bug 870713 19:09:03 <zodbot> lmacken: Bug 870713 CVE-2012-4548 cgit: syntax-highlighting.sh command injection - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=870713 19:09:04 <lmacken> (for reference) 19:09:19 <nirik> ok, any other application / development news ? 19:10:12 <nirik> lmacken / threebean: You want to mention the outreach for women internship thing? Is that mostly devel tasks? 19:10:54 <threebean> oh right. 19:11:00 <lmacken> http://gnome.org/opw 19:11:09 <lmacken> some devel, some devops tasks 19:11:20 <threebean> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Outreach_Program_For_Women_2013?rd=Outreach_… 19:11:23 <nirik> cool. 19:11:32 * nirik hopes it gets some good uptake. 19:11:48 <threebean> Already got one person asking to volunteer on cleaning up the packages webapp 19:11:58 <lmacken> and fedbages 19:12:06 <threebean> cool 19:12:17 * marcdeop is sorry is late 19:12:18 <skvidal> what's a fedbage? 19:12:23 <skvidal> oh badge! 19:12:24 <skvidal> got it 19:12:25 <skvidal> sorry 19:12:36 <lmacken> sorry, tyop 19:12:52 <nirik> excellent. 19:13:10 <nirik> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Outreach_Program_For_Women_2013 program coming up. 19:13:17 * jds2001 buys lmacken some typing lessons :D 19:13:23 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion 19:13:33 <nirik> Any exciting sysadmin news this week or upcoming? 19:13:54 <pingou> cgit update you said :) 19:14:04 <nirik> I'm considering moving collab03 to collab01/02 pair on thanksgiving. ;) It takes about 10 hours to sync... 19:14:08 <smooge> budgets 19:14:14 <skvidal> nirik: umm. seriously? 19:14:14 <nirik> and really no one should be posting on thanksgiving to lists. ;) 19:14:21 <pingou> skvidal: exciting ? 19:14:23 <skvidal> nirik: you're going to move them during a holiday? 19:14:28 <pingou> err, I meant smooge 19:14:36 <skvidal> nirik: let me know in advance so I can turn off my phone 19:14:53 <nirik> skvidal: sure, since it should just be 'start rsync, go eat and relax, change dns, profit' ? 19:15:04 <skvidal> nirik: what is the key word in your sentence there? 19:15:04 <nirik> skvidal: I'm open to ideas on how to make the sync shorter. 19:15:16 <skvidal> nirik: 'should' 19:15:17 <skvidal> :) 19:15:32 <nirik> it's 82GB of mail archives and exploded mail posts. 19:15:50 <skvidal> okie doke 19:15:57 <smooge> hmmm I wonder how long it would take to cut it to a USB key run the key to the other system and copy off :) 19:15:59 * SmootherFrOgZ notices some scripts we're using on hostedxx are not up-to-date. will take care of them 19:16:01 <nirik> sure. I guess I can do it some other time, I just thought it might be good to get out of the way then 19:16:34 <nirik> SmootherFrOgZ: oh? what scripts? 19:17:16 <SmootherFrOgZ> scripts to setup scm repo, hosted project. there are some obsolete links (such as gnome-git-mail-blalbla) 19:17:45 <nirik> smooge: yeah, I think we just keep plugging away on budgets. There's 2 outstanding things I think now... a) quote for a bc02 replacement and b) I need to talk to qa and find out how many machines they really need. 19:18:15 <nirik> SmootherFrOgZ: we never had a script to setup scm/project. ;) Or you mean the one that adds trac? relrod was working on a app to make hosted projects. 19:18:42 <SmootherFrOgZ> ha, cool then. 19:19:00 <SmootherFrOgZ> well, we did use script one time. 19:20:06 <nirik> a script/app would be great... if you want to check with relrod you can help work on it I'm sure. ;) 19:20:26 <SmootherFrOgZ> like, gitsetup.sh (kinda old) 19:20:42 <SmootherFrOgZ> sure thing. 19:20:44 <threebean> https://fedorahosted.org/fedorahosted/ 19:20:44 <pingou> https://github.com/CodeBlock/fedorahosted 19:21:00 <nirik> :) 19:21:21 <relrod_school> yep ^ that has both the flask app and the CLI to it. 19:22:07 <nirik> any other sysadmin news? We do have a few new machines on the way (hopefully)... a pair to replace sign-vault02 with (we have had hardware problems with it in the past), and a virthost. Also, at some point we will be getting some arm secondary arch stuff to add to the qa/community network. 19:22:36 * relrod_school sighs and just noticed a spam ticket on that fedorahosted/fedorahosted trac. 19:23:01 <nirik> #topic Private Cloud status update 19:23:17 <nirik> ok, so I decided to try cloudstack on our evens cloudlet this week... 19:23:17 <skvidal> euca cloudlet has a number of active instances on it 19:23:21 <skvidal> sorry 19:23:23 <skvidal> go ahead 19:23:45 <nirik> it's setup, but network is not working. I am exchanging emails with some cloudstack folks to try and track down the issue. 19:24:20 <nirik> I'll give it until next week, then probibly redo openstack on it... 19:24:28 <nirik> or just decide to drop it all into euca and get further on toward production. 19:24:35 <skvidal> nirik: so here's an idea 19:24:49 <skvidal> nirik: what if you setup euca on the evens cloudlet? 19:24:57 <skvidal> nirik: and compared the setup 19:25:06 <skvidal> nirik: also as a verification of what I setup on the odds? 19:25:06 <nirik> as a seperate instance/cloud? 19:25:13 <nirik> sure, could do that. 19:25:24 <skvidal> is there any thing in folsom 19:25:30 <skvidal> which is lacking for us to take that to production? 19:25:37 <skvidal> vlans? 19:25:46 <nirik> yeah, I need to mess with the new networking/vlans. 19:25:56 <skvidal> that's cinder, right? 19:26:04 <nirik> quantum. ;) 19:26:08 <skvidal> ah, sorry 19:26:10 <skvidal> what's cinder? 19:26:13 <nirik> cinder is the new storage thingie. 19:26:20 <skvidal> ah - sorry 19:26:28 <skvidal> I get the names confused 19:26:28 <nirik> no worries, there's too many codenames. ;) 19:27:01 <smooge> and they will change next release too 19:27:03 <skvidal> so if you'd rather not setup euca - then alternatively more openstack testing and enhancing for what we would need to do to make it production 19:27:17 <skvidal> the reason I was thinking of the euca setup 19:27:27 <skvidal> is to maybe spend more time on bfebs 19:27:30 <nirik> I kinda like the idea of diversity, and I think openstack will work for our production needs with some more work 19:27:38 <skvidal> sounds fair 19:28:00 <skvidal> speaking of production. 19:28:11 <skvidal> is there anyone who needs more instructions/help for using the euca cloudlet? 19:28:20 <skvidal> or for setting up an instance? 19:28:28 <skvidal> I know I have to reconnect with pingou 19:28:30 <skvidal> on the jenkins master 19:28:47 <skvidal> and to making fedocal a persistent ip 19:29:09 <nirik> I should make a persistent one just for grins to make sure, but I thought it looked pretty easy 19:29:09 * pingou likes 19:29:27 <SmootherFrOgZ> skvidal: we're using ansible to deal with new instance, right? 19:29:33 * herlo likes too 19:29:41 <nirik> so, do we want to discuss any of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure_private_cloud#Moving_to_.22pr… 19:29:42 <smooge> I still need to go through the instructions you put out. I have it at #5 on my todo list 19:29:54 <skvidal> SmootherFrOgZ: we are 19:30:14 <skvidal> SmootherFrOgZ: and I've written instructions on doing that on an adhoc basis in the ansible repo 19:30:25 <skvidal> if anyone wants a relatively trivial programming task 19:30:36 <skvidal> the cron-runner for ansible needs to be fleshed out 19:30:37 <abadger1999> skvidal: Are there instructions/do we have persistent storage for our euca cloud? 19:30:41 <skvidal> so it will handle playbooks nicely 19:30:41 <SmootherFrOgZ> nod. anyone from syadmin has acces to it or? 19:30:43 <skvidal> abadger1999: I believe so. 19:30:45 <SmootherFrOgZ> skvidal: awesome 19:30:47 <abadger1999> Cool. 19:30:52 <skvidal> abadger1999: let me verify 19:31:01 <SmootherFrOgZ> nirik: we can 19:31:07 <abadger1999> skvidal: I'll look for it later to setup an elections dev box for fchiulli 19:31:29 <pingou> abadger1999: I had flask elections running on the fedocal box at some point 19:31:34 <skvidal> abadger1999: so.... okay - the instructions are in the euca notes - but not in the ansible repo 19:31:46 <pingou> abadger1999: I can do that again (unless you want to play w/ ansible of course :)) 19:31:47 <skvidal> abadger1999: I will augment them with the proper sudo-ish ness etc 19:31:59 <skvidal> abadger1999: and an example of auto-attaching drives is in the copr-be playbook 19:32:07 <abadger1999> skvidal: Thanks! 19:32:19 <abadger1999> pingou: I want to play with ansible :-) 19:32:30 <pingou> abadger1999: fair enough :) 19:33:44 <nirik> skvidal: so, say I setup openstack again and get it to where euca2ools work against it nicely (which I already did have last time I set it up :) how do we determine which cloudlet we should run something on? random? based on capacity? 19:34:04 <skvidal> nirik: sure... 19:34:13 <skvidal> nirik: we could make any sort of arbitrary rule 19:34:25 <skvidal> we could make euca disposable-instances - using instance-backed 19:34:36 <skvidal> and openstack persistent instances - using volume-backed 19:34:43 <skvidal> or we could make them based on projects or users? 19:34:55 <skvidal> nirik: I'm open to whatever 19:34:58 <nirik> ok. just something to think about, we don't need to decide right away. 19:35:02 <skvidal> and if we decide we don't need diversity anymore 19:35:11 <skvidal> I'm also fine with just reducing us down to a single cloud software 19:35:25 <nirik> yeah, that also has some advantages sure. 19:35:31 <SmootherFrOgZ> +1 19:35:33 <skvidal> afaict the code I've written for ansible or the euca2ools is portable to both cloud instances 19:35:40 <skvidal> so it shouldn't require any porting 19:35:51 <skvidal> important words of note here 19:35:55 <skvidal> 'SHOULD NOT' 19:35:58 <skvidal> doesn't mean it won't ;) 19:36:14 <skvidal> but I've tried to be careful to not rely on any specific apis 19:36:24 <nirik> yeah, I think it should just be plug and play. 19:36:36 <nirik> but we will surely have to see what the world has in store for us 19:36:37 <skvidal> if, however, we opt to go to openstack wholey 19:36:46 <skvidal> then I'd think moving to nova-client and the api might be helpful 19:37:01 <skvidal> I've done some work against nova's client too - and it's not complicated to code against 19:37:38 <nirik> yeah, might give us better/different info. 19:37:49 <nirik> but we can burn that cloud when we come to it. 19:38:05 <nirik> any other cloud news/comments/ideas? 19:38:09 <skvidal> nirik: :) 19:38:28 <skvidal> nirik: one more comment 19:38:47 <skvidal> a good reason to stick with ec2-compat api is that as of right now fedora/red hat doesn't have a rax account 19:38:55 <skvidal> so if we ever wanted to move to public cloud for any reason 19:39:01 <nirik> yeah, good point. 19:39:02 <skvidal> and we were bound up in openstack's api 19:39:07 <skvidal> it would be difficult 19:39:23 <skvidal> that's all I had 19:39:36 <nirik> ok. 19:39:38 <nirik> #topic Security FAD update 19:39:48 <nirik> FAD is coming up soonly. 19:39:57 <nirik> any more planning or prelim stuff we can get done before then? 19:40:13 <abadger1999> the fas prelim could definitely use more work. 19:40:35 <abadger1999> I haven't had time in the past week but I'll see if I can do something if no one else does. 19:40:51 <skvidal> abadger1999: what sort of prelim do we need? 19:41:06 <nirik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Infrastructure_Security_2012/FAS_plan 19:41:13 <abadger1999> Just making the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Infrastructure_Security_2012/FAS_plan more organized, broken down. 19:41:25 <skvidal> ah 19:41:35 <abadger1999> make some separate solid tasks that we can hand to different people independently. 19:41:37 <abadger1999> things like that. 19:41:38 <smooge> People going should start making blog posts about it starting next week 19:41:54 <smooge> I will be emailing reminders about that today 19:42:55 <nirik> yeah, I figure we get setup, we appoint/find someone to be IRC interface for remote folks, we do a bit of overview from mricon / others, we discuss policy decisions, then perhaps break into smaller teams... implement the pam side, the fas side, packaging if we need any, docs, etc. 19:43:09 <nirik> we can implement in stg first. 19:43:35 <nirik> also, beta release is scheduled for that morning, so we need to make sure we keep watch on that. 19:43:47 <smooge> I figure I could do those parts 19:43:52 <skvidal> abadger1999: are we planning on doing it against staging first - or do we want to dummy-up some systems in the cloudlets? 19:43:59 <smooge> an eye and IRC interface 19:44:02 <nirik> do we have idea on airport->hotel transport? 19:44:14 <abadger1999> I'd be fine doing it against staging. 19:44:22 <abadger1999> all te people that normally touch stg will be there I think. 19:44:32 <abadger1999> so it's okay if we make that environment unusable. 19:44:41 <smooge> nirik, as much as I would like ot believe we will be out of freeze that morning... I expect staging will be frozen 19:44:50 <nirik> well, threebean and lmacken won't be... but hopefully we will not disrupt them too much. 19:45:04 <nirik> smooge: staging is never frozen. ;) 19:45:04 <skvidal> nirik: it looks like it is only a few pickups 19:45:16 <nirik> but yeah, we could well slip again... 19:45:18 <abadger1999> dummying up systems always has the problem of "where do we get our fake data"? 19:45:21 <nirik> we will just see and handle it... 19:45:37 <abadger1999> since it's fas and we want to protect the production data a little better. 19:45:42 <skvidal> nirik: I'll be adding everyone's flight to my calendar and I'll see about making it all work :) 19:46:09 * skvidal wonders if nb went out of his way to find an inconvenient flight 19:46:14 <skvidal> 9:45am :( 19:46:16 <nirik> skvidal: cool. I think smooge will be there with car too? 19:46:20 <smooge> nirik, about travel.. I plan to drive up and be in RDU by noon on Monday to get my ID and such. 19:46:48 <nirik> oh, do we want to assign roomies? or just do it as people arrive/checkin? 19:46:49 <smooge> I can get there earlier if needed but it is a 4->5 hour drive from SC to RDU 19:47:03 <skvidal> herlo: when are you getting in? 19:47:28 <skvidal> nirik: I think I can just ferry people from the airport w/o too much trouble starting around 2 or so on monday 19:47:38 <nirik> skvidal: ok, great! 19:47:45 <abadger1999> I get in late so I should either room with a heavy sleeper or someone who plans on staying up late despite jet lag :-) 19:47:46 <skvidal> eunice won't need the car on monday anyway, I don't think 19:47:49 <nirik> #info skvidal to pick up folks from airport. 19:48:07 <skvidal> I'll just email everyone directly 19:48:14 <skvidal> and confirm times and if they are not planning on renting a car 19:48:16 <abadger1999> Will we need more cars on thursday to ferry people back to the airport? 19:48:32 <nirik> abadger1999: I'm a deep sleeper, but I snore... (or so I have been told, I'm asleep at the time) 19:48:33 <skvidal> which hotel is it again? 19:49:19 <nirik> Marriott ? 19:49:22 <skvidal> the Raleigh MArriott 19:49:25 * skvidal calls them 19:49:32 <SmootherFrOgZ> what's time should we jump in for remote people? 19:50:09 <abadger1999> I was going to rent a car on thursday... Could go in with the first airport trip and rent one if we need more vehicles.. otherwise I'll go in with the last trip and just leave town from RDU. 19:50:10 <nirik> SmootherFrOgZ: I'd say we can hang out in #fedora-fad anytime starting monday ? 19:51:02 <nirik> (not this coming monday, the one after) 19:51:08 <SmootherFrOgZ> k. 19:51:14 <SmootherFrOgZ> yeah, i know 19:51:17 <skvidal> so thursday will need to be orchestrated a bit 19:51:29 <skvidal> and I think some people will need to find their own way back to the airport 19:51:31 * SmootherFrOgZ will have time to do to gym :) 19:51:34 <SmootherFrOgZ> go* 19:52:47 <nirik> ok, I'm sure we will figure it out. ;) 19:52:54 <smooge> I figured I would be ferrying people on Thursday 19:52:55 <nirik> anything else on fad planning? 19:53:47 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 19:53:49 <relrod_school> abadger1999: poke me next week sometime and I'll help with organizing the FAS Plan 19:54:04 <nirik> infodump ahead: 19:54:06 <nirik> #info 2012-11-13 to 2012-11-27 F18 Beta Freeze 19:54:06 <nirik> #info 2012-11-20 FY2014 budget due 19:54:06 <nirik> #info 2012-11-27 F18 Beta release 19:54:06 <nirik> #info 2012-11-22 to 2012-11-23 Thanksgiving holiday 19:54:06 <nirik> #info 2012-11-26 to 2012-11-29 Security FAD 19:54:07 <nirik> #info 2012-12-18 to 2013-01-08 F18 Final Freeze 19:54:08 <abadger1999> relrod_school: Cool. Will do 19:54:09 <nirik> #info 2012-11-30 end of 3nd quarter 19:54:11 <nirik> #info 2012-12-01 nag fi-apprentices 19:54:13 <nirik> #info 2012-12-24 to 2013-01-01 Red Hat Shutdown for holidays. 19:54:15 <nirik> #info 2013-01-08 F18 release. 19:54:17 <nirik> #info 2013-01-18 to 2013-01-20 FUDCON Lawrence 19:54:19 <nirik> anything else we need to schedule or note? 19:54:29 <nirik> oh yeah, I need to add the phx2 outage on dec 15th 19:55:06 <nirik> they are saying it should be 5min or so now of outage. 19:55:22 <nirik> so, not a big deal, but we should have a longer window and be ready in case it goes long 19:56:00 <nirik> also, need to schedule the collab move if I am going to do that... 19:56:19 <relrod_school> should just be a matter of shut up nagios and pull phx from dns for that block of time, right? Or are there other things to do to prepare for that? 19:56:55 <nirik> relrod_school: yeah for a short outage... longer term we might need to copy off wiki data or setup a fas db somewhere or other more difficult things. 19:57:04 <smooge> well I would just shut up nagios. Pulling phx out of dns is not easy since everything kind of talks to it 19:57:18 <nirik> well, we can pull proxy01 out so it gets no direct hits. 19:57:28 <relrod_school> smooge: yeah, just from the roundrobin rotation 19:57:50 <nirik> anyhow, if it's just 5min it won't be too big a deal. 19:57:50 * LoKoMurdoK here 19:57:57 <relrod_school> cool. 19:58:26 <nirik> ok, any more scheduling stuff? 19:58:35 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 19:58:36 <smooge> not fo rme 19:58:42 <nirik> anything for lovely open floor? 19:58:43 * pingou will be there in Lawrence 19:58:51 <abadger1999> pingou: yay! 19:58:58 <pingou> abadger1999: yup :) 19:58:58 <nirik> excellent. :) 19:59:16 <pingou> SmootherFrOgZ: as well, but you already know him :) 20:00:43 <nirik> after holidays we should make sure there's no infra stuff we need to do for fudcon... ie, help with streaming or whatever 20:00:55 <nirik> anyhow, thanks for coming everyone! 20:00:59 <nirik> #endmeeting

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F18 Beta Blocker Bug Review #8 Minutes
by Tim Flink 14 Nov '12

14 Nov '12

==================================== #fedora-qa: f18beta-blocker-review-8 ==================================== Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-qa/2012-11-14/f18beta-blocker-revie… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-qa/2012-11-14/f18beta-blocker-revie… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-qa/2012-11-14/f18beta-blocker-revie… Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (tflink, 17:00:23) * Introduction (tflink, 17:09:14) * Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. (tflink, 17:09:20) * We'll be following the process outlined at: (tflink, 17:09:29) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting (tflink, 17:09:30) * The bugs up for review today are available at: (tflink, 17:09:37) * LINK: http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current (tflink, 17:09:37) * The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at: (tflink, 17:09:42) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Alpha_Release_Criteria (tflink, 17:09:43) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Beta_Release_Criteria (tflink, 17:09:43) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Final_Release_Criteria (tflink, 17:09:43) * 6 Proposed Blockers (tflink, 17:10:32) * 7 Accepted Blockers (tflink, 17:10:32) * 6 Proposed NTH (tflink, 17:10:33) * 15 Accepted NTH (tflink, 17:10:33) * (875393) TypeError: _refresh_device_cfg() takes exactly 3 arguments (2 given) (tflink, 17:11:17) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875393 (tflink, 17:11:20) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, VERIFIED (tflink, 17:11:23) * AGREED: 875393 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion for machines without a working network connection at boot time: "The installer must boot and run on all primary architectures, with all system firmware types that are common on those architectures ..." (tflink, 17:16:19) * (876180) KeyError: None (tflink, 17:16:28) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=876180 (tflink, 17:16:28) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, ASSIGNED (tflink, 17:16:28) * AGREED: 876180 - RejectedBlocker AcceptedNTH - This doesn't clearly hit any release criteria for F18 beta but fixing installer crashes is preferred - a tested fix would be considered past freeze (tflink, 17:26:55) * (876366) New kernel copies its args from the Upgrade System entry (tflink, 17:27:04) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=876366 (tflink, 17:27:04) * Proposed Blocker, fedup-dracut, NEW (tflink, 17:27:04) * AGREED: 876366 - AcceptedBlocker - This is relatively common and not difficult to reproduce - violates the following F18 beta release criterion: "... it must be possible to successfully complete an upgrade from a fully updated installation of the previous stable Fedora release with that package set installed, using any officially recommended upgrade mechanisms. The upgraded system must meet all release criteria." (tflink, 17:34:24) * (876319) Unable to use analog speakers with Asus Xonar DX (tflink, 17:34:32) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=876319 (tflink, 17:34:32) * Proposed Blocker, kernel, NEW (tflink, 17:34:32) * AGREED: 876319 - RejectedBlocker, RejectedNTH - This doesn't violate any of the F18 beta release criterion and could be fixed by an update. (tflink, 17:37:12) * (876655) Lorax does not support building initramfs for fedup (tflink, 17:38:36) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=876655 (tflink, 17:38:36) * Proposed Blocker, lorax, NEW (tflink, 17:38:36) * AGREED: 876655 - AcceptedBlocker - This prevents fedup from doing network upgrades and violates the following F18 beta release criterion: "... it must be possible to successfully complete an upgrade from a fully updated installation of the previous stable Fedora release with that package set installed, using any officially recommended upgrade mechanisms. The upgraded system must meet all release criteria." (tflink, 17:44:38) * (875474) Regression: no graphical display after plymouth update (tflink, 17:48:21) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875474 (tflink, 17:48:21) * Proposed Blocker, plymouth, NEW (tflink, 17:48:21) * AGREED: 875474 - We need more information on whether or not rebuilding the initramfs fixes the issue described here before deciding on blocker status (tflink, 18:03:30) * (874265) Installation Options screen is too wide for 1024x768 display in German (tflink, 18:07:05) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=874265 (tflink, 18:07:08) * Proposed NTH, anaconda, VERIFIED (tflink, 18:07:10) * AGREED: 874265 - AcceptedNTH - This is a minor translation and display issue and leads to better usability - a tested fix would be considered past freeze (tflink, 18:11:04) * (874753) Can't change keyboard layout in GDM by default (tflink, 18:11:19) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=874753 (tflink, 18:11:19) * Proposed NTH, control-center, NEW (tflink, 18:11:19) * we were unable to come to a conclusion on this bug - stuck at +2/-2 NTH. Will revisit when more people are present (tflink, 18:35:52) * (874761) "Log Out" and "Switch User" unavailable after creating second user account in "User Accounts" (tflink, 18:36:01) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=874761 (tflink, 18:36:04) * Proposed NTH, gnome-shell, NEW (tflink, 18:36:07) * AGREED: 874761 - RejectedNTH - This doesn't hit any common use cases for live images, has a relatively simple workaround and could be fixed with an update - rejected as NTH for F18 beta. (tflink, 18:45:26) * (876258) mate files in updates-testing need to be NTH - MATE install does not work in DVD (tflink, 18:47:31) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=876258 (tflink, 18:47:34) * Proposed NTH, mate-desktop, NEW (tflink, 18:47:37) * AGREED: 876258 - RejectedNTH - MATE is not on the DVD and fixed packages are available in network repos. (tflink, 18:51:39) * (847479) Kernel 3.5.0-2 and 3.5.1-1 nouveau driver causes Xorg to abrt after resume from RAM (tflink, 18:51:46) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=847479 (tflink, 18:51:49) * Proposed NTH, xorg-x11-drv-nouveau, NEW (tflink, 18:51:52) * AGREED: 847479 - RejectedNTH - It isn't clear that this affects F18, is unlikely to affect live images and could be fixed with an update (tflink, 18:55:44) * (873762) [zh_CN] [zh_TW] installer hangs in Installation Summary when keyboard spoke clicked (tflink, 18:59:08) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=873762 (tflink, 18:59:11) * Accepted Blocker, anaconda, ON_QA (tflink, 18:59:13) * fix is available, waiting for new livecds for testing (tflink, 19:01:04) * should be testable in the next TC/RC (tflink, 19:01:14) * seems to be fixed on netinstall but needs testing on livecds (tflink, 19:02:30) * (875364) Both 18 Beta TC8 install DVDs are > 4.7 GB (tflink, 19:03:00) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875364 (tflink, 19:03:00) * Accepted Blocker, distribution, NEW (tflink, 19:03:00) * some movement on this, may be fixed (tflink, 19:03:43) * new smoke DVD or TC/RC needed to test (tflink, 19:03:59) * (872047) fedup-dracut builds do not exist in F18 (tflink, 19:06:13) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=872047 (tflink, 19:06:13) * Accepted Blocker, fedup-dracut, ON_QA (tflink, 19:06:13) * this is being worked on indirectly, waiting for another build before asking for karma to push fedup-dracut to stable (tflink, 19:07:55) * should have a new build in the next day or so that can be pushed to stable (tflink, 19:08:18) * (873459) Upgraded system does not reboot if a kernel upgrade is part of the upgrade (tflink, 19:08:28) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=873459 (tflink, 19:08:31) * Accepted Blocker, fedup-dracut, ASSIGNED (tflink, 19:08:34) * This is being worked on, most of the fixes for this are in upstream git (tflink, 19:08:45) * waiting on one last patch before new packages are built (tflink, 19:08:56) * should see new packages in the next day or so (tflink, 19:09:04) * (873576) mdmonitor-takeover.service not started on boot because lorax disables it, results in parted hanging trying to inspect newly-created Intel fwraid RAID-1 array (tflink, 19:09:36) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=873576 (tflink, 19:09:39) * Accepted Blocker, lorax, NEW (tflink, 19:09:41) * this bug is now mostly triaged (tflink, 19:10:54) * test boot.iso is available for testing (tflink, 19:11:01) * (875380) fileconflicts failure on 18 Beta TC8 DVDs (texlive) (tflink, 19:13:08) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875380 (tflink, 19:13:08) * Accepted Blocker, texlive, NEW (tflink, 19:13:08) * the packages in question should be removed now (tflink, 19:14:32) * this will need re-testing after the next TC/RC (tflink, 19:14:44) * Open Floor (tflink, 19:16:03) * next blocker review meeting will be 2012-11-21 @ 17:00 UTC (tflink, 19:16:44) Meeting ended at 19:19:29 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tflink (315) * kparal (144) * jreznik (44) * nirik (36) * Martix (35) * akshayvyas (32) * wwoods (25) * jreznik_ (17) * zodbot (13) * halfline (10) * spstarr (5) * dlehman (4) * Viking-Ice (4) * rdieter (1) * jreznik__ (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo Meeting (2012-11-14)
by Marcela Mašláňová 14 Nov '12

14 Nov '12

=================================== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2012-11-14) =================================== Meeting started by mmaslano at 18:01:05 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-11-14/fesco.2012-11-14… . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (mmaslano, 18:01:23) * #963 change of names of configuration files (mmaslano, 18:03:20) * AGREED: defer for now and see if mjg59 can get them access to the info they seek (+8,-0) (mmaslano, 18:12:34) * #971 Freezing for Fedora 18 Beta (mmaslano, 18:12:55) * Fedora 18 was already frozen (mmaslano, 18:13:52) * #969 libexecdir guideline conflicts with extant packages (mmaslano, 18:16:16) * AGREED: defer the decision (until Java rulling comes down) (+9,-0) (mmaslano, 18:29:11) * #970 F19 Feature: RPM 4.11 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RPM4.11 (mmaslano, 18:34:14) * AGREED: rpm was accepted as f19 feature (+9,-0) (mmaslano, 18:35:15) * Next week's chair (mmaslano, 18:35:29) * nirik will be the chairman next week (mmaslano, 18:36:19) * Open Floor (mmaslano, 18:36:30) Meeting ended at 18:44:15 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (38) * mmaslano (36) * mjg59 (25) * mitr (17) * notting (15) * jwb (12) * zodbot (10) * pjones (9) * limburgher (9) * t8m (7) * gholms (5) * jreznik (4) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot 18:01:05 <mmaslano> #startmeeting FESCO (2012-11-14) 18:01:05 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Nov 14 18:01:05 2012 UTC. The chair is mmaslano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:01:05 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:01:10 <mjg59> Hi 18:01:10 <mmaslano> #meetingname fesco 18:01:10 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco' 18:01:16 <jwb> hello 18:01:19 <nirik> morning 18:01:19 <mmaslano> #chair notting nirik mjg59 mmaslano t8m pjones mitr limburgher jwb 18:01:20 <zodbot> Current chairs: jwb limburgher mitr mjg59 mmaslano nirik notting pjones t8m 18:01:23 <mmaslano> #topic init process 18:01:33 <pjones> morning. 18:01:51 * limburgher here 18:02:02 <mitr> Hello 18:02:28 * notting is here 18:02:37 * jreznik is lurking 18:02:47 <mmaslano> let' start 18:03:10 <mmaslano> .fesco #963 18:03:10 <zodbot> mmaslano: Error: '#963' is not a valid integer. 18:03:20 <mmaslano> #topic #963 change of names of configuration files 18:03:30 <pjones> .fesco 963 18:03:30 <mmaslano> .fesco 963 18:03:31 <zodbot> pjones: #963 (change of names of configuration files) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/963 18:03:34 <zodbot> mmaslano: #963 (change of names of configuration files) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/963 18:03:42 <mmaslano> mjg59: could you help michal or Kay? 18:03:45 <mjg59> Yeah 18:03:52 <mjg59> Sorry, hadn't really been online much for the past week 18:03:58 <mjg59> I'll follow up on that 18:03:58 <mmaslano> sure, thanks 18:04:21 <mitr> They could just unpack/analyze rawhide themselves I'd expect.. 18:05:50 <mmaslano> any proposal? I would be fine with mjg's help 18:06:07 <mitr> if mjg59 wants to help, I'm completely fine 18:06:11 <nirik> proposal: defer for now and see if mjg59 can get them access to the info they seek 18:06:13 <mmaslano> but it should be done before freeze if there are broken packages 18:06:43 <mitr> mmaslano: We already froze for Beta 18:06:50 <mmaslano> yes 18:07:05 <notting> well, packages have been 'broken' inasmuch as there were two configuration files for two releases already. what is the plan if the work mjg59 is helping kay with does not happen? 18:07:20 <nirik> if there are pending fixes we could pass them thru the freeze as a NTH... or wait until after. 18:07:41 <t8m> As the breakage is not critical I think that the fixes can be done in updates 18:08:03 <mmaslano> so for now I agree with nirik's proposal 18:08:22 <mitr> notting: We are not currently equipped to handle that question AFAICT. (We do need to be, but that's for another time.) 18:08:57 * nirik shrugs. I don't think I would block on it. 18:08:58 <t8m> nirik, +1 18:09:09 <nirik> it would be very nice ot fix before release tho... 18:10:20 <mjg59> Sure, where possible that clearly ought to happen 18:10:39 <mmaslano> more votes on nirik's proposal? 18:10:41 <limburgher> +1 nirik 18:10:56 <mitr> +1 I think 18:11:40 * nirik is for his own proposal too oddly enough. 18:11:46 * mmaslano too 18:11:56 <notting> +1 for lack of an alternative 18:12:01 <pjones> +1 I guess. 18:12:09 <jwb> sure 18:12:34 <mmaslano> #agreed defer for now and see if mjg59 can get them access to the info they seek (+8,-0) 18:12:34 <pjones> I mean, that's the process anyway if we /don't/ vote on it.... 18:12:55 <mmaslano> #topic #971 Freezing for Fedora 18 Beta 18:13:00 <mmaslano> .fesco 971 18:13:02 <zodbot> mmaslano: #971 (Freezing for Fedora 18 Beta) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/971 18:13:13 <nirik> I took that to be 'no great objection to freeze' 18:13:19 <jwb> we're already frozen 18:13:25 <nirik> so, close this, freeze happened. ;) 18:13:31 <mmaslano> great 18:13:40 <jwb> jreznik, who is "RH's SB manager" 18:13:52 <mmaslano> #info Fedora 18 was already frozen 18:14:18 <notting> jwb: in as much as 'guy running the meetings', jack 18:14:18 <jreznik> jwb: the person responsible for SB as far as I know 18:14:33 <jwb> jreznik, i'm looking for a name, not a role definition 18:14:58 * nirik wonders what SB expands to.... oh, secure boot? 18:15:06 <jreznik> nirik: yep 18:15:07 <pjones> jreznik: he wants to know who you were referring to 18:15:21 <jreznik> pjones: notting answered 18:15:39 <pjones> okay 18:15:46 <jwb> that is the most obtuse way of answering my question, ever. 18:15:53 <jwb> whatever. move on 18:16:16 <mmaslano> #topic #969 libexecdir guideline conflicts with extant packages 18:16:24 <mmaslano> .fesco 969 18:16:25 <nirik> so, I have some info here. 18:16:26 <zodbot> mmaslano: #969 (libexecdir guideline conflicts with extant packages) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/969 18:16:37 <nirik> FPC is currently discussing a very similar case of this related to java. 18:16:55 <nirik> it's not been decided either way, but it's very similar to this issue. 18:17:15 <mitr> nirik: Something different than the multilib exception for java that we voted on recently? 18:17:19 <nirik> so, I propose we defer this, ask FPC to consider it with java and wait for them to rule on that before we do anything. 18:17:59 <nirik> mitr: it's related. The question then becomes can non multilib things just use lib (like java and systemd do) 18:18:24 <nirik> (at least my quick understanding of it. Didn't read the full FPC meeting) 18:18:59 <notting> if they want to tackle it first, i'm ok with it. w.r.t. the ticket, i'd be proposing 1) and 2) listed there anyway 18:19:42 <nirik> see also: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/packaging/2012-November/008757.html 18:20:53 <mjg59> I wasn't quite clear from the ticket 18:20:58 <mitr> So at this point I would suggest 18:21:00 <mitr> proposal: formally vote to confirm that As a general matter, Fedora policies trump upstream intentions and preferences (although they can be considered). Rationale: the only way to make Fedora a consistent distribution. 18:21:02 <mitr> And I'd support a deferral of the ticket for a specific resolution re:systemd (unfortunately I haven't had enough time to form an opinion) 18:21:03 <mjg59> Is it /usr/lib, or is it /usr/%(libdir)? 18:21:26 <t8m> mjg59, /usr/lib 18:21:32 <nirik> it's %{prefix}/lib/ on all arches. 18:21:35 <notting> mjg59: the complaint is about x86_64 packages using /usr/lib instead of /usr/%(libdir) or /usr/libexec 18:21:50 <mjg59> notting: Ok from the ticket it sounded like it was primarily about libexec 18:22:15 * gholms is here 18:22:28 <mitr> s/can be considered/can and should be considered/ above 18:22:39 <t8m> gholms, why FPC rejected to allow /usr/lib for non-multilib packages in the systemd case? 18:22:43 <mjg59> mitr: I'm -1 to that as written 18:23:06 <mjg59> mitr: Or, rather, not as written. I agree with the statement, but I don't know that it's the appropriate statement to make in this case 18:23:30 <mjg59> mitr: Where our policies are incompatible with the behaviour of many upstreams, we should reconsider whether our policies are actually helping or harming 18:23:37 <nirik> well, I agree with it, but it's kinda a given isn't it? 18:23:38 <gholms> t8m: I wasn't involved in that discussion, but I can try to find out if necessary. 18:23:58 <nirik> we shouldn't recklessly trump upstream. Only in cases we really must for good reasons. 18:24:04 <mitr> mjg59: I don't know how that applies to systemd in this case. But we have systemd maintainers thinking otherwise, and I don't want the opposite to become a widely accepted oinion. 18:24:05 <gholms> t8m: The decision itself is here, along with some justifiction in the comentary: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/158 18:25:40 <mitr> mjg59: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/158#comment:6 sums the situation up. 18:25:41 * nirik nods. based on the info at the time... 18:25:50 <nirik> anyhow, any votes on my proposal? ;) 18:26:17 <mjg59> Ok. What's the benefit of requiring libdir rather than /usr/lib for this case? 18:26:26 <mitr> nirik: +1 to deferral. 18:26:58 <gholms> nirik: That's for deferring until fpc decides upon the java stuff, right? 18:27:03 <nirik> mjg59: consistency I guess? 18:27:12 <mitr> mjg59: e.g. ability to run an automated test for misplaced 64-bit binaries 18:27:19 <pjones> yeah, I'm +1 to deferral until the java ruling comes down. 18:27:19 <nirik> gholms: yes, and ask them to think about this too at the same time. 18:27:25 <t8m> +1 to deferral 18:27:27 * notting is +1 for deferral 18:27:39 <mmaslano> +1 18:27:49 <limburgher> +1 18:27:49 <mjg59> I'm +1 to deferral, but the rationale presented for the policy so far seems weak 18:28:13 <jwb> DEFER 18:29:11 <mmaslano> #agreed defer the decision (until Java rulling comes down) (+9,-0) 18:29:13 <mjg59> Are there any cases where you could simultaneously have a 32-bit version of an executable binary in /lib and a 64-bit version in /lib64 18:29:16 <mjg59> ? 18:29:37 <mitr> mjg59: yes 18:29:43 <notting> mjg59: helpers executed by a library, yes 18:29:46 <nirik> sure 18:30:01 * nirik looks. systemd is multiarch? 18:30:14 <nirik> ah, but uses -libs. ok. 18:30:24 <notting> nirik: not the things in /lib/systemd, no 18:30:36 <mjg59> So the objection to using /usr/lib is just that a package might accidentally drop a 64-bit binary there despite supporting simultaneous 32 and 64-bit installation? 18:30:59 <mjg59> And forcing the use of libdir means that we can automatically check for that? 18:32:38 <notting> kind of, yes. if you're putting 64-bit binaries in /usr/lib, you need to 'know your package is never intended to be installed as multilib and will not accidentally be installed that way' 18:32:42 <mjg59> Ok 18:32:46 <notting> which is hard to clearly check against the guideline 18:33:04 <nirik> also lsb says: http://www.linuxbase.org/betaspecs/fhs/fhs.html#usrlibexec 18:33:18 <jwb> you just killed a cat. 18:33:21 <mjg59> nirik: Yeah but the LSB is failing to describe reality in this case 18:33:24 <nirik> yeah, true. 18:33:35 <nirik> anyhow, I'll stop now. 18:33:48 <nirik> we have an agreed and are wasting time. ;) 18:33:50 <mmaslano> next topic? 18:33:53 <mjg59> notting: It seems like we could solve that easily enough by just permitting packages to ship a list of "I really meant to do this" 18:34:06 <nirik> (or just drop 32bit. ;) 18:34:09 <t8m> mmaslano, please 18:34:14 <mmaslano> #topic #970 F19 Feature: RPM 4.11 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RPM4.11 18:34:17 <jwb> nirik, or multilib 18:34:17 <mjg59> It's unclear to me that this policy buys us anything other than divergence from upstreams 18:34:23 <mmaslano> .fesco 970 18:34:23 <mjg59> Anyway 18:34:25 <zodbot> mmaslano: #970 (F19 Feature: RPM 4.11 - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RPM4.11) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/970 18:34:26 <mjg59> +1 to rpm 18:34:30 <limburgher> +1! 18:34:35 <nirik> +1 make it so. 18:34:36 <mmaslano> +1 18:34:36 <jwb> +1 18:34:37 <mitr> +1 18:34:40 <pjones> big +1 18:34:41 <nirik> I'd love more f19 features now. ;) 18:34:45 <limburgher> We'll have the 411! 18:34:52 <notting> sure 18:34:53 <notting> +1 18:34:55 <t8m> +1 sure 18:35:15 <mmaslano> #agreed rpm was accepted as f19 feature (+9,-0) 18:35:26 <mmaslano> that's it 18:35:29 <mmaslano> #topic Next week's chair 18:35:52 <jwb> i will be out next week 18:36:01 <nirik> I can do it I suppose... 18:36:19 <mmaslano> #info nirik will be the chairman next week 18:36:30 <mmaslano> #topic Open Floor 18:36:44 <mjg59> It's the day before thanksgiving next week? 18:36:48 <limburgher> Yup. 18:36:52 <nirik> yep 18:36:56 <mjg59> Not that it matters in my case 18:37:08 <nirik> I expect many folks will be gone thursday/friday. 18:37:14 <limburgher> I will. 18:37:16 <pjones> yeah 18:37:17 <notting> yeah, I may or may not be here. will comment in tickets in any case 18:37:18 <nirik> I hope we can get to a beta before next wed. 18:37:33 <limburgher> From your IRC client to $_DEITY's ears. 18:38:13 <mmaslano> I'll close meeting in 5 minutes! 18:39:07 <notting> just want to thank those who threw their name in the hat for the FESCo elections 18:39:54 <limburgher> And Ankur for wrangling. 18:40:06 * gholms concurs 18:40:23 * nirik nods. 18:44:15 <mmaslano> #endmeeting

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FAmNA Meeting (14 November 2012)
by Jon 13 Nov '12

13 Nov '12

====================== #fedora-meeting: FAmNA ====================== Meeting started by masta at 02:03:32 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-11-14/famna.2012-11-14… . Meeting summary --------------- * === Roll Call === (masta, 02:03:33) * === Announcements === (masta, 02:06:54) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_nominations (inode0, 02:08:40) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_nominations (masta, 02:09:05) * === Tickets === (masta, 02:10:57) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 (masta, 02:11:02) * Ticket #33 - 2012 Fedora Merchandise Order (masta, 02:11:23) * AGREED: - We pre-approve ~200 hats to ensure budget is available (masta, 02:21:40) * ACTION: nb to update famna ticket #33 to include the 200 hats @ $3.80 per (masta, 02:24:27) * - Get well Suehle - we will talk playing cards with you next meeting - need to know the cost, and based on that we will then agree how many we want to order. (masta, 02:29:29) * ACTION: Dan is going to get the cards blessed through spot, and get the cost from Suehle (masta, 02:33:57) * Ticket #36 - Fedora Ambassador Day North America (FADNA) (masta, 02:35:42) * LINK: http://i.imgur.com/Wg00Q.jpg <-- cards (dan408_, 02:36:33) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassador_Day_North_America_2012 (dan408_, 02:38:11) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassador_Day_North_America_2013 (dan408_, 02:39:40) * Please add your names to the above wiki page if you're going to FADNA (masta, 02:41:36) * Ticket #45 - Discuss FAmNA Reimbursement Guidelines (masta, 02:58:25) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAMNA_Reimbursement_Guidelines (masta, 02:59:13) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAMNA_Reimbursement_Guidelines (masta, 02:59:40) * == Who will be the next FAmNA meeting chair? == (masta, 03:02:34) * Dan will be the meeting lead next week, masta is 2nd in line (masta, 03:07:38) * == Open Floor === (masta, 03:08:14) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassador_Day_North_America_2013 (dan408_, 03:08:35) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassador_Day_North_America_2013 (dan408_, 03:10:05) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassador_Day_North_America_2010 (dan408_, 03:10:11) Meeting ended at 03:12:41 UTC. Action Items ------------ * nb to update famna ticket #33 to include the 200 hats @ $3.80 per * Dan is going to get the cards blessed through spot, and get the cost from Suehle Action Items, by person ----------------------- * nb * nb to update famna ticket #33 to include the 200 hats @ $3.80 per * **UNASSIGNED** * Dan is going to get the cards blessed through spot, and get the cost from Suehle People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * masta (97) * dan408_ (88) * inode0 (65) * herlo (29) * nb (23) * rbergeron (18) * award3535 (14) * zodbot (11) * kk4ewt (7) * wrnash1 (5) * Evil_Sonar_Chick (3) * gentt (1) -- -Jon

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