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F18 Final Blocker Bug Review #7 Minutes
by Tim Flink 21 Dec '12

21 Dec '12

============================================= #fedora-bugzappers: f18final-blocker-review-7 ============================================= This was an unscheduled meeting, so there was no announcement - we just needed to get through some of these and enough people were around to do a meeting. Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-12-21/f18final-bloc… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-12-21/f18final-bloc… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-12-21/f18final-bloc… Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (tflink, 18:33:08) * Introduction (tflink, 18:37:56) * Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. (tflink, 18:38:03) * We'll be following the process outlined at: (tflink, 18:38:11) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting (tflink, 18:38:11) * The bugs currently proposed as blocker or NTH are available at: (tflink, 18:38:56) * LINK: http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current (tflink, 18:38:56) * The bugs currently queued for discussion are listed at: (tflink, 18:39:39) * LINK: http://tflink.fedorapeople.org/blockerbugs/sorted/blocker_bugs.html (tflink, 18:39:39) * LINK: http://tflink.fedorapeople.org/blockerbugs/sorted/nth_bugs.html (tflink, 18:39:42) * The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at: (tflink, 18:39:46) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Alpha_Release_Criteria (tflink, 18:39:46) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Beta_Release_Criteria (tflink, 18:39:46) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Final_Release_Criteria (tflink, 18:39:46) * At the moment, the total number of blocker/nth bugs is: (tflink, 18:40:03) * 14 Proposed Blockers (tflink, 18:40:10) * 13 Accepted Blockers (tflink, 18:40:10) * 12 Proposed NTH (tflink, 18:40:10) * 27 Accepted NTH (tflink, 18:40:10) * Queued for discussion today are: (tflink, 18:40:25) * 8 Proposed Blockers (tflink, 18:42:57) * 10 Proposed NTH (tflink, 18:42:57) * (889101) AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'removeMember' (tflink, 18:43:56) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=889101 (tflink, 18:43:59) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, ASSIGNED (tflink, 18:44:01) * AGREED: 889101 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 final release criterion: "The installer must be able to create and install to any workable partition layout using any file system offered in a default installer configuration, LVM, software, hardware or BIOS RAID, or combination of the above" (tflink, 18:49:13) * (873468) F18 Beta TC7: sometimes when booting netinst, hub comes up showing 'Nothing selected' for Installation Source and Software Selection (tflink, 18:49:18) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=873468 (tflink, 18:49:21) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, ASSIGNED (tflink, 18:49:24) * AGREED: 873468 - RejectedBlocker AcceptedNTH - This doesn't happen all the time and seems to be limited to slower than expected dhcp with ipv6, not enough to justify blocking release over. However, it can't be fixed with an update and a tested fix would be considered past freeze. Should be at least documented as commonbugs if not fixed before release (tflink, 18:53:42) * (889330) crash when reclaiming space from disk containing member of incomplete md raid0 (tflink, 18:53:52) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=889330 (tflink, 18:53:55) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, ASSIGNED (tflink, 18:53:57) * AGREED: 889330 - AcceptedBlocker - Violation of the following F18 beta release criterion: "The installer's custom partitioning mode must be capable of the following: Creating, destroying and assigning mount points to partitions of any specified size using most commonly-used filesystem types ..." (tflink, 18:57:26) * (886314) MDRaidError: md_node_from_name failed: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/dev/md/root' (tflink, 18:57:31) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=886314 (tflink, 18:57:34) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 18:57:37) * AGREED: 886314 - RejectedBlocker - It sounds like this issue is not reproducable on more recent versions and therefore rejected as a blocker for F18 final. Please re-propose if a reproducing case is discovered. (tflink, 19:05:47) * (887539) FormatDestroyError: error wiping old signatures from /dev/sdb2: 1 (tflink, 19:05:56) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=887539 (tflink, 19:06:00) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 19:06:02) * AGREED: 887539 - RejectedBlocker RejectedNTH - While nasty, this seems like too much of a corner case to block the release of F18. It also seems too much of a corner case to take as NTH for F18 - workaround should be documented (use different hostnames, wipe disks before install) (tflink, 19:18:26) * (860022) AttributeError: preconf (tflink, 19:18:31) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=860022 (tflink, 19:18:34) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 19:18:36) * LINK: http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/18/final/buglist (jreznik, 19:26:59) * AGREED: 860022 - RejectedBlocker - This doesn't seem to be common enough to justify blocking the release of F18. It is already accepted as NTH and a tested fix would be considered past freeze. (tflink, 19:29:45) * (859867) Keyboard not set in minimal install (tflink, 19:30:37) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=859867 (tflink, 19:30:38) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, ASSIGNED (tflink, 19:30:38) * the original report appears to be fixed and somewhat confused with other unrelated keymap issues. The bug will be closed but can be reopened if the original issue still exists (tflink, 19:38:15) * (889044) need to disable updates-testing for final (tflink, 19:40:59) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=889044 (tflink, 19:40:59) * AGREED: 889044 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 final release criterion: "A fedora-release package containing the correct names, information and repository configuration for a final Fedora release (as opposed to a pre-release) must be present on ISO media while the appropriately versioned generic-release package must be available in the online release repository" (tflink, 19:51:20) * (881624) After Update using fedup default system keyboard changes to US (tflink, 19:51:41) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=881624 (tflink, 19:51:44) * Proposed Blocker, fedup, NEW (tflink, 19:51:46) * AGREED: 881624 - Waiting for testing to confirm suspicions about this bug. If it turns out that the keymap is not correctly set after upgrade, this would be a blocker. If the systemd update fixes the issue to the point where passwords work with a non en-US keymap, it will be rejected as a blocker (tflink, 20:15:50) * (889109) missing dependencies for imsettings (tflink, 20:16:01) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=889109 (tflink, 20:16:02) * Proposed Blocker, imsettings, ON_QA (tflink, 20:16:02) * AGREED: 889109 - RejectedBlocker - This is a dep issue which was contained in updates-testing, has already been fixed and wouldn't affect the release of F18. (tflink, 20:18:12) * (881670) Provide fedup hook to add x-systemd.device-timeout=0 to mount options for encrypted file systems that need a passphrase from the user (tflink, 20:18:17) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=881670 (tflink, 20:18:20) * Proposed Blocker, systemd, ASSIGNED (tflink, 20:18:23) * AGREED: 881670 - RejectedBlocker AcceptedNTH - This doesn't seem severe enough to justify blocking the release of F18 but a tested fix would be considered after freeze. (tflink, 20:24:07) * (889562) Console keymap set to "us" if you install with a keymap not provided by systemd-localed (tflink, 20:24:16) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=889562 (tflink, 20:24:19) * Proposed Blocker, systemd, NEW (tflink, 20:24:22) * AGREED: 889562 - AcceptedBlocker AcceptedNTH - We're missing some data here but from what we do know, this seems to affect enough locales to justify blocking release of F18 final. If it turns out to be less severe than it currently appears, it would be rejected as a blocker for F18 final (tflink, 20:53:26) * (882212) localectl set-x11-keymap: variant settings does not work (tflink, 20:53:46) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=882212 (tflink, 20:53:49) * Proposed Blocker, systemd, ON_QA (tflink, 20:53:51) * AGREED: 882212 - We don't understand this nearly enough to make a call on whether this should block release - it is already accepted as NTH and might be fixed. Will revisit if it continues to be an issue (tflink, 21:09:58) * (889352) [i18n] translated string not displayed in Welcome dialog: "Set keyboard to default layout for selected language." (tflink, 21:12:43) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=889352 (tflink, 21:12:46) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 21:12:49) * AGREED: 889352 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 final release criterion: "All critical path actions on release-blocking desktop environments should correctly display all sufficiently complete translations available for use" (tflink, 21:14:47) * (889585) should not offer to change boot disk from within custom storage spoke (tflink, 21:14:52) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=889585 (tflink, 21:14:55) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, POST (tflink, 21:14:58) * AGREED: 889585 - AcceptedNTH - Functionality to select the boot disk should work - since there is no code to do so in the custom partition spoke and the option exists elsewhere, removing it seems like a good option. A tested fix would be accepted past freeze. (tflink, 21:24:11) * (888030) [i18n] some package set descriptions not translated (tflink, 21:24:20) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=888030 (tflink, 21:24:20) * Proposed Blocker, comps, NEW (tflink, 21:24:20) * AGREED: 888030 - RejectedBlocker AcceptedNTH - This doesn't seem severe enough to block release but a tested fix would be considered past freeze. Since comps changes go through without packages, this bug can be closed. (tflink, 21:27:53) * (873103) Chinese input does not work after installation (tflink, 21:36:50) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=873103 (tflink, 21:36:51) * Proposed NTH, anaconda, ON_QA (tflink, 21:36:51) * AGREED: 873103 - AcceptedNTH - Not a release blocking bug since it only affects one language but it can't be fixed with an update and there are lots of users who use the Chinese locales. (tflink, 21:39:12) * (889366) "Don\'t install the latest available software updates. Install the default versions provided by the install source above." checkbox does nothing, media installs don\'t default to installing updates (tflink, 21:39:16) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=889366 (tflink, 21:39:20) * Proposed NTH, anaconda, POST (tflink, 21:39:23) * AGREED: 889366 - AcceptedNTH - This doesn't violate any F18 release criteria but features should work if they are displayed as available. (tflink, 21:41:28) * (889570) Add help / instruction text for custom spoke (tflink, 21:41:40) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=889570 (tflink, 21:41:41) * Proposed NTH, anaconda, POST (tflink, 21:41:41) * AGREED: 889570 - AcceptedNTH - This doesn't violate any F18 release criteria but useful help messages for custom partitioning would hopefully help reduce confusion when doing custom layouts. (tflink, 21:44:10) * (872851) [abrt] rhythmbox-2.98-4.fc18: Process /usr/bin/rhythmbox was killed by signal 11 (SIGSEGV) (tflink, 21:44:14) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=872851 (tflink, 21:44:17) * Proposed NTH, pygobject3, ON_QA (tflink, 21:44:20) * LINK: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=690514 (adamw, 21:49:02) * LINK: http://bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=231935 (adamw, 21:49:11) * LINK: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-20814/pygobject3-3.4.2-… (nirik, 21:49:39) * LINK: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=656312 (nirik, 21:50:36) * LINK: http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/pygobject3.git/commit/?h=f18&id=14e44ae5… (nirik, 21:55:02) * AGREED: 872851 - RejectedNTH - While this bug would affect live images, the problematic plugin isn't enabled by default and the needed change is in pygobject which seems a little too risky to be changing so late. (tflink, 21:59:47) * Open Floor (tflink, 22:03:23) * No date set for the next blocker review meeting, will more than likely be after 2013-01-01 (tflink, 22:05:07) Meeting ended at 22:05:27 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tflink (310) * adamw (275) * nirik (124) * jreznik (50) * bcl (32) * buggbot (27) * dlehman (14) * zodbot (11) * jreznik_n9 (10) * nanonyme (7) * Martix_N9 (5) * jsmith (3) * fenrus02 (2) * satellit_e (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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EMEA ambassadors meeting 2012-12-19 minutes
by Christoph Wickert 19 Dec '12

19 Dec '12

I just had the pleasure to host the biggest (25 ambassadors, 23 from EMEA!) and longest (2h) EMEA ambassadors meeting of all times. When I see that the ambassadors community is in a good shape, I think I must have done something right as FAmSCo chair and meeting host. Thanks everybody for coming, it means a lot to me! Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-12-19/emea_ambassadors… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-12-19/emea_ambassadors… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-12-19/emea_ambassadors… Meet you again on Wednesday, January 2nd (two weeks from now) at 20:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting! Till then: Merry Christmas and happy new year! Regards, Christoph ============================================ #fedora-meeting: EMEA Ambassadors 2012-12-19 ============================================ Meeting started by cwickert at 21:02:52 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-12-19/emea_ambassadors… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (cwickert, 21:03:10) * Announcements (cwickert, 21:05:45) * Fedora Ambassadors Day EMEA 2012 took place last week, you can find the results at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:FAD_EMEA_2012 (cwickert, 21:06:28) * new FAmSCo has met for the first time on Monday. tuanta has replaced dbruno (cwickert, 21:10:55) * sesivany is new FAmSCo chair, herlo is vice-chair (cwickert, 21:11:04) * we had 102 voters in the FAmSCo election. Next time, spread the word and try to have more people vote (cwickert, 21:12:26) * Ambassadors Schedule (cwickert, 21:14:58) * LINK: http://jreznik.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-18/f-18-ambassadors-tasks.html (cwickert, 21:15:03) * LINK: http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/18/final/buglist (jreznik, 21:17:51) * January 8th as release date for F18 is still doable, but we are not 100% sure. If you have a release event, please be careful with announcements and make sure to follow all updates about the schedule. (cwickert, 21:18:14) * if we get the RC composed next week, we are pretty much good to go (cwickert, 21:18:32) * updates will be available on common mailing lists - devel/test-announce (jreznik, 21:18:40) * It's not to late to submit a release event. Add your event at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F18_release_events#EMEA now, create a wiki page and file a ticket to request funding or swag (cwickert, 21:23:21) * Tickets (cwickert, 21:23:52) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OSAS (cwickert, 21:37:19) * ACTION: sesivany to talk to lh about accommodation at FOSDEM (sesivany, 21:39:01) * ACTION: rbergeron to talk to suehle, lh, quaid about updating the OSAS wiki page (rbergeron, 21:39:19) * ACTION: rbergeron to find somebody to fix https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OSAS (cwickert, 21:39:32) * AGREED: airfare from the ticket #196 approved. Decision about accommodation postponed. (sesivany, 21:42:20) * AGREED: airfare from the ticket #196 approved. Decision about accommodation postponed. (sesivany, 21:42:50) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/183 // https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/189 (netSys, 21:46:48) * ACTION: cwickert to add a 'Budget' column to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:FAD_EMEA_2012#Events_and_their_owners (cwickert, 21:58:03) * AGREED: Fedora will sponsor CLT NPO with 1k EUR (cwickert, 22:03:32) * Events (cwickert, 22:05:41) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events (cwickert, 22:05:55) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Greece_2013 (cmpahar, 22:08:12) * deadline for FOSDEM open source game developer devroom was extended to 2012-12-23. See the original announcement at https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2012-October/001634.html if you want to apply for a talk (cwickert, 22:12:12) * deadline for FOSDEM cross-desktop devroom was extended to 2012-12-21. See the original announcement at https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2012-October/001643.html if you want to apply for a talk (cwickert, 22:12:44) * ACTION: cwickert to ask biertie if he can arrange something for Friday afternoon before FOSDEM beer event (cwickert, 22:14:51) * LINK: http://goo.gl/lr017 - if anyone is interested (sesivany, 22:16:53) * preliminary schedule for devconf is at http://goo.gl/lr017 (cwickert, 22:17:34) * FAD EMEA 2012 Review (cwickert, 22:18:04) * ACTION: cwickert to move confirmed events from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:FAD_EMEA_2012#Events_and_their_owners over to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events (cwickert, 22:20:28) * ACTION: everybody look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:FAD_EMEA_2012#Events_and_their_owners and see which events you take over (cwickert, 22:21:50) * heffer confirmed he will take over FrOSCon (cwickert, 22:22:15) * delhage and rsc will (probably) take over FSCONS (cwickert, 22:22:35) * ACTION: everybody if you ran an event in 2011 or 2012, make sure it is in the wiki and in the "events" category. We really need to know where we were (cwickert, 22:23:28) * ACTION: twohot and frankice to look for events in Africa in 2013 (cwickert, 22:24:36) * mailga will try to take over LibreOffice conference 2013 (cwickert, 22:25:42) * ACTION: robyduck ask on the ML who is interested in Fedora cycling jerseys to see how many would order at least one (cwickert, 22:31:58) * ACTION: sesivany and gnokii to sort out media artwork (cwickert, 22:34:54) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MediaArt/F18 (gnokii, 22:35:20) * sesivany had 1000 buttons produced. Peer-approved in the ticket #195 (sesivany, 22:37:14) * ACTION: zoltanh7211 to make his event report public, like *really* public ;) (cwickert, 22:59:33) Meeting ended at 23:06:31 UTC. Action Items ------------ * sesivany to talk to lh about accommodation at FOSDEM * rbergeron to talk to suehle, lh, quaid about updating the OSAS wiki page * rbergeron to find somebody to fix https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OSAS * cwickert to add a 'Budget' column to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:FAD_EMEA_2012#Events_and_their_owners * cwickert to ask biertie if he can arrange something for Friday afternoon before FOSDEM beer event * cwickert to move confirmed events from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:FAD_EMEA_2012#Events_and_their_owners over to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events * everybody look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:FAD_EMEA_2012#Events_and_their_owners and see which events you take over * everybody if you ran an event in 2011 or 2012, make sure it is in the wiki and in the "events" category. We really need to know where we were * twohot and frankice to look for events in Africa in 2013 * robyduck ask on the ML who is interested in Fedora cycling jerseys to see how many would order at least one * sesivany and gnokii to sort out media artwork * zoltanh7211 to make his event report public, like *really* public ;) Action Items, by person ----------------------- * cwickert * cwickert to add a 'Budget' column to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:FAD_EMEA_2012#Events_and_their_owners * cwickert to ask biertie if he can arrange something for Friday afternoon before FOSDEM beer event * cwickert to move confirmed events from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:FAD_EMEA_2012#Events_and_their_owners over to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events * frankice * twohot and frankice to look for events in Africa in 2013 * gnokii * sesivany and gnokii to sort out media artwork * rbergeron * rbergeron to talk to suehle, lh, quaid about updating the OSAS wiki page * rbergeron to find somebody to fix https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OSAS * robyduck * robyduck ask on the ML who is interested in Fedora cycling jerseys to see how many would order at least one * sesivany * sesivany to talk to lh about accommodation at FOSDEM * sesivany and gnokii to sort out media artwork * twohot * twohot and frankice to look for events in Africa in 2013 * zoltanh7211 * zoltanh7211 to make his event report public, like *really* public ;) * **UNASSIGNED** * everybody look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:FAD_EMEA_2012#Events_and_their_owners and see which events you take over * everybody if you ran an event in 2011 or 2012, make sure it is in the wiki and in the "events" category. We really need to know where we were People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * cwickert (290) * sesivany (85) * mailga (32) * delhage (31) * zodbot (27) * ibancioiu (27) * robyduck (24) * thunderbirdtr (20) * netSys (16) * rbergeron (15) * zoltanh7211 (15) * jreznik (11) * comzeradd (11) * cmpahar (8) * gnokii (7) * frankice (4) * egyDev (2) * rgeri77 (2) * d3vnull (2) * twohot (2) * misaakidis (2) * AndChat-370944 (1) * giulivo (1) * rsc (1) * frafra (1) * dramsey (1) * Southern_Gentlem (1)

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EMEA ambassadors meeting 2012-XX-XX minutes
by Christoph Wickert 19 Dec '12

19 Dec '12

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F18 Final Blocker Bug Review #6 Minutes
by Tim Flink 19 Dec '12

19 Dec '12

============================================= #fedora-bugzappers: f18final-blocker-review-6 ============================================= Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-12-19/f18final-bloc… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-12-19/f18final-bloc… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-12-19/f18final-bloc… Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (tflink, 17:02:42) * Introduction (tflink, 17:12:21) * Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. (tflink, 17:12:36) * We'll be following the process outlined at: (tflink, 17:12:43) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting (tflink, 17:12:43) * The bugs up for review today are available at: (tflink, 17:12:49) * LINK: http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current (tflink, 17:12:49) * The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at: (tflink, 17:12:55) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Alpha_Release_Criteria (tflink, 17:12:55) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Beta_Release_Criteria (tflink, 17:12:56) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Final_Release_Criteria (tflink, 17:12:56) * the current number of blocker and NTH bugs is: (tflink, 17:13:36) * 17 Proposed Blockers (tflink, 17:13:46) * 18 Accepted Blockers (tflink, 17:13:46) * 31 Proposed NTH (tflink, 17:13:46) * 23 Accepted NTH (tflink, 17:13:46) * the number of bugs that are 'ready for discussion' today are: (tflink, 17:15:04) * 8 Proposed Blockers (tflink, 17:15:10) * 23 Proposed NTH (tflink, 17:15:10) * (877658) [i18n] some storage-related error messages not marked for translation: "Not enough free space on disks for automatic partitioning" (tflink, 17:17:56) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=877658 (tflink, 17:17:59) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 17:18:02) * AGREED: 877658 - AcceptedBlocker - Violation of the following F18 final release criterion: "All critical path actions on release-blocking desktop environments should correctly display all sufficiently complete translations available for use" (tflink, 17:21:57) * (883699) Changing LV name in custom partitioning crashes installer (TypeError: Argument 2 does not allow None as a value) (tflink, 17:22:08) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=883699 (tflink, 17:22:11) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, MODIFIED (tflink, 17:22:14) * AGREED: 883699 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 final release criterion when modifying any volume name in custom partitioning: " The installer must be able to create and install to any workable partition layout using any file system offered in a default installer configuration, LVM, software, hardware or BIOS RAID, or combination of the above" (tflink, 17:27:27) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=888089 (tflink, 17:28:14) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, POST (tflink, 17:28:14) * AGREED: 883699 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 beta release criterion: "The installer's custom partitioning mode must be capable of the following ... Rejecting obviously invalid operations without crashing" (tflink, 17:31:54) * (886061) 'fedora' or 'updates' repository error must be fatal, otherwise the upgraded system might be broken heavily (tflink, 17:32:02) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=886061 (tflink, 17:32:05) * Proposed Blocker, fedup, NEW (tflink, 17:32:07) * AGREED: 886061 - RejectedBlocker - With the changes in fedup coming for F18, this bug is no longer as serious as it was and thus, does not qualify for release blocking status for F18 final (tflink, 17:37:47) * (875846) [i18n] "ON" and "OFF" not translated in switches on DVD (gtk30.mo not on DVD) (tflink, 17:37:56) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875846 (tflink, 17:37:59) * Proposed Blocker, lorax, ASSIGNED (tflink, 17:38:01) * AGREED: 875846 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 final release criterion: "All critical path actions on release-blocking desktop environments should correctly display all sufficiently complete translations available for use" (tflink, 17:43:09) * (872851) [abrt] rhythmbox-2.98-4.fc18: Process /usr/bin/rhythmbox was killed by signal 11 (SIGSEGV) (tflink, 17:43:19) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=872851 (tflink, 17:43:22) * Proposed Blocker, rhythmbox, NEW (tflink, 17:43:24) * AGREED: 872851 - RejectedBlocker - While rhythmbox is a default application, this bug requires enabling of a non-default plugin and thus does not qualify for release blocking status for F18 final. (tflink, 17:46:52) * (861280) KDE Crashes or Hangs After Moving Konqueror Window Quickly (tflink, 17:47:00) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=861280 (tflink, 17:47:03) * Proposed Blocker, xorg-x11-drv-nouveau, NEW (tflink, 17:47:06) * AGREED: 861280 - RejectedBlocker - This is very HW limited and thus, does not qualify for release blocking status. (tflink, 17:49:59) * (860022) AttributeError: preconf (tflink, 17:50:06) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=860022 (tflink, 17:50:06) * Proposed Blocker, yum, NEW (tflink, 17:50:06) * AGREED: 860022 - AcceptedNTH - We need more information on how many repos are being used to trigger this and if the updates.img from comment#20 works before deciding on blocker status. However, this is bad enough to warrant NTH status - a tested fix would be considered past freeze. (tflink, 17:58:13) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=886647 (adamw, 17:59:38) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=860525 (adamw, 17:59:45) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=882212 (adamw, 17:59:53) * (860525) dracut-pre-pivot[272]: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs, (tflink, 18:02:32) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=860525 (tflink, 18:02:35) * Proposed Blocker, dracut, MODIFIED (tflink, 18:02:38) * AGREED: 860525 - It still isn't clear how this impacts NFS installs, need more information before deciding on blocker status (tflink, 18:11:13) * (882212) localectl set-x11-keymap: variant settings does not work (tflink, 18:11:17) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=882212 (tflink, 18:11:20) * Proposed Blocker, systemd, POST (tflink, 18:11:23) * AGREED: 882212 - AcceptedNTH - This does affect upgrades with yum which aren't recommended but aren't uncommon. A tested fix would be considered past freeze. (tflink, 18:17:49) * (886647) Anaconda throws exception trying to setup network if non-existing network --device is specified in kickstart (tflink, 18:18:05) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=886647 (tflink, 18:18:09) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, POST (tflink, 18:18:11) * AGREED: 886647 - RejectedBlocker AcceptedNTH - This is too much of a corner case to take as a blocker but it can't be fixed with an update and a non-trivial number of people could hit this. A tested fix would be considered past freeze. (tflink, 18:21:33) * (888107) Shell leaking memory with every interaction with the panel (tflink, 18:31:04) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=888107 (tflink, 18:31:07) * Proposed NTH, gnome-shell, NEW (tflink, 18:31:10) * AGREED: 888107 - AcceptedNTH - This isn't quite a blocker but causes problems for lives, especially in lower memory situations. A tested fix would be considered past freeze. (tflink, 18:35:11) * (830181) Logout/shutdown/restart should be inhibited while Apper is performing updates (tflink, 18:35:21) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=830181 (tflink, 18:35:24) * Proposed NTH, PackageKit, ASSIGNED (tflink, 18:35:26) * AGREED: 830181 - RejectedNTH - Taking PK fixes this close to release is unwise and since this bug wouldn't affect live images and thus could be fixed with an update - rejected as NTH for F18 final (tflink, 18:41:52) * (875567) anaconda doesnt set keyboard layout for LUKS password at reboot (tflink, 18:42:01) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875567 (tflink, 18:42:04) * Proposed NTH, anaconda, MODIFIED (tflink, 18:42:07) * AGREED: 875567 - AcceptedNTH - This is borderline blocker since LUKS passwords are affected but not all installations are affected by this. A tested fix would be considered past freeze. (tflink, 18:49:57) * (876916) anaconda claims I don't have enough free space when I have (tflink, 18:51:46) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=876916 (tflink, 18:51:49) * Proposed NTH, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 18:51:51) * AGREED: 876916 - AcceptedNTH - This isn't critical but it would be good to have effective minimum space detection and this can't be fixed with an update. A tested fix would be considered past freeze. (tflink, 18:56:55) * (882233) Chinese (Taiwan) shows Simplified Chinese instead of Traditional Chinese at left (native language view) side (tflink, 18:57:06) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=882233 (tflink, 18:57:09) * Proposed NTH, anaconda, ASSIGNED (tflink, 18:57:12) * AGREED: 882233 - We would like to have more information on how bugs like this have been handled in the past - there isn't a clear universal answer which all parties would like. Will revisit when there's more info. (tflink, 19:16:13) * (886463) Keyboard layout switching is confusing on LiveCD (tflink, 19:16:22) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=886463 (tflink, 19:16:22) * Proposed NTH, anaconda, MODIFIED (tflink, 19:16:22) * AGREED: 886463 - AcceptedNTH - Adding the warning message seems like a good idea without much risk. A tested fix would be considered past freeze. (tflink, 19:21:48) * (887112) Existing Windows 7 appears under \'Unknown\' in Manual Partitioning (tflink, 19:21:55) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=887112 (tflink, 19:21:58) * Proposed NTH, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 19:22:00) * AGREED: 887112 - RejectedNTH - While this might be a nice visual enhancement, it isn't a huge deal and represents a bit more risk than we'd like to see so late in the release. (tflink, 19:27:12) * (888112) Yellow error display bar is incapable of wrapping long errors, they are too wide and overflow the side of the screen (tflink, 19:27:20) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=888112 (tflink, 19:27:23) * Proposed NTH, anaconda, VERIFIED (tflink, 19:27:26) * AGREED: 888112 - AcceptedNTH - This is a very useful visual enhancement without much risk and can't be fixed with an update. A tested fix would be considered past freeze. (tflink, 19:31:14) * (888603) Custom partitioning shouldn't let you set /boot as btrfs (tflink, 19:31:24) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=888603 (tflink, 19:31:27) * Proposed NTH, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 19:31:29) * AGREED: 888603 - AcceptedNTH - This is a safety check to disallow a non-obviously invalid operation and is relatively low risk. A tested fix would be considered past freeze. (tflink, 19:33:30) * (886556) missing icons in yumex & apper (tflink, 19:33:43) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=886556 (tflink, 19:33:43) * Proposed NTH, comps-extras, NEW (tflink, 19:33:43) * AGREED: 886556 - RejectedNTH - While this is a polish issue that would be good to fix, it's late in the release and the risk of taking this fix so late is not clearly low (could affect PK, apper etc.). (tflink, 19:43:44) * (855697) No way to change the language on Live (tflink, 19:44:38) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=855697 (tflink, 19:44:38) * Proposed NTH, control-center, NEW (tflink, 19:44:38) * AGREED: 855697 - AcceptedNTH - While there are a couple ideas in the bug, there is an available fix upstream to add a logout button to the language/region applet - a tested fix would be considered past freeze but only if it is the fix from upstream - other fixes would need to be reproposed for NTH status (tflink, 19:51:27) * (873849) no keyboard shortcut for toggling keyboard layouts (tflink, 19:51:34) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=873849 (tflink, 19:51:34) * Proposed NTH, gnome-settings-daemon, NEW (tflink, 19:51:35) * AGREED: 873849 - It isn't completely clear what the fix for this might be or whether there is developer support for a fix. Will re-visit when more info is available (tflink, 19:59:59) * (886077) Custom shortcut super+'char' writes the char or does nothing instead of execute demanded action (tflink, 20:00:13) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=886077 (tflink, 20:00:16) * Proposed NTH, gnome-settings-daemon, NEW (tflink, 20:00:18) * AGREED: 886077 - RejectedNTH - While this is an inconvenience, it involves setting custom actions which is unlikely to affect live images and thus can be fixed with an update. (tflink, 20:08:43) * (888395) 3.6.11 update for kernel (tflink, 20:08:51) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=888395 (tflink, 20:08:51) * Proposed NTH, kernel, NEW (tflink, 20:08:51) * AGREED: 888395 - RejectedNTH - This would only fix media sourced upgrades for a very short time and would not affect network sourced upgrades. Since there are no other critical reasons to upgrade the released kernel, rejected as NTH for F18 final. (tflink, 20:12:14) * (872162) error creating partitions on LVM volume created with allocation=0 (tflink, 20:12:22) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=872162 (tflink, 20:12:25) * Proposed NTH, libvirt, ASSIGNED (tflink, 20:12:27) * AGREED: 872162 - RejectedNTH - This involves VM creation which is not likely to affect live images and isn't the default path for VM creation anyways. It could be fixed with an update and doesn't need to be pulled past freeze. (tflink, 20:16:10) * (884878) FirewallConfig in imgcreate/kickstart.py requires FirewallD (tflink, 20:16:18) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=884878 (tflink, 20:16:21) * Proposed NTH, livecd-tools, NEW (tflink, 20:16:24) * AGREED: 884878 - AcceptedNTH - Enabling spins to ship without firewalld is desirable as long as the fix isn't too bad. A tested fix would be considered past freeze. (tflink, 20:19:53) * (821221) ibus-setup language selection entries shadowed out (tflink, 20:20:01) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=821221 (tflink, 20:20:01) * Proposed NTH, oxygen-gtk3, NEW (tflink, 20:20:01) * AGREED: 821221 - RejectedNTH - There appear to be no extra IMEs on the KDE live media and thus, this would not affect lives and could be fixed with an update. (tflink, 20:35:58) * (875430) After installing unable to boot Fedora 18 with virtio-scsi after successfully installing using virtio-scsi driver (have to use virtio-blk to boot) (tflink, 20:36:08) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875430 (tflink, 20:36:11) * Proposed NTH, qemu, NEW (tflink, 20:36:14) * AGREED: 875430 - AcceptedNTH - Allowing non-primary storage drivers in a VM would be preferred and a relatively small, tested fix would be considered past freeze. (tflink, 20:41:29) * (886208) systemd should mount efivarfs by default on UEFI machines (tflink, 20:41:37) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=886208 (tflink, 20:41:40) * Proposed NTH, systemd, NEW (tflink, 20:41:43) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=886199 (tflink, 20:48:07) * AGREED: 886208 - RejectedNTH - This wouldn't affect the released version of F18 since it's for personal/private signing of shim and could be fixed with an update. (tflink, 20:52:16) * (879922) Fails to open from the Xfce menu. (tflink, 20:56:04) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=879922 (tflink, 20:56:04) * Proposed NTH, xfce4-panel, NEW (tflink, 20:56:04) * AGREED: 879922 - AcceptedNTH - Prevents system-config-date from working on XFCE which is the default date config mechanism for XFCE. (tflink, 21:02:52) * (849347) radeon driver cannot handle restarting xorg server sometimes (fails with: *ERROR* Failed to parse relocation -35!) (tflink, 21:03:01) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849347 (tflink, 21:03:04) * Proposed NTH, xorg-x11-drv-ati, NEW (tflink, 21:03:06) * AGREED: 849347 - RejectedNTH - This seems rather limited in the HW affected and doesn't happen all of the time - it's too late in the release process to be taking non-showstopper bugs for F18. (tflink, 21:07:10) * (816073, 820154, 816389, 884274) rdma and srptools for F18 (tflink, 21:10:00) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=816073 (tflink, 21:10:00) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=820154 (tflink, 21:10:00) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=816389 (tflink, 21:10:00) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=884274 (tflink, 21:10:00) * Proposed NTH, ON_QA (tflink, 21:10:06) * LINK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InfiniBand for idiot monkeys (adamw, 21:12:25) * AGREED: 816073, 820154, 816389, 884274 - AcceptedNTH - Due to the nature of these changes, they cannot be pushed post-release due to updates policy, are unlikely to break anything else and contain security fixes. Builds would be considered past freeze if they had enough karma. (tflink, 21:17:27) * next review meeting (tflink, 21:18:28) * the next blocker/nth review meeting will be scheduled as needed - maybe tomorrow or friday (tflink, 21:20:55) * (882976) Pixman/Cairo leaks like crazy (tflink, 21:22:00) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=882976 (tflink, 21:22:00) * Proposed NTH, pixman, MODIFIED (tflink, 21:22:00) * AGREED: 882976 - AcceptedNTH - Memory leaks are bad and this could affect live images, making it not possible to fix with an update in all cases. A tested fix would be considered past freeze. (tflink, 21:24:13) * Open Floor (tflink, 21:24:44) Meeting ended at 21:31:44 UTC. 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FAmNA Meeting (12/18/2012)
by Dan Mashal 18 Dec '12

18 Dec '12

====================== #fedora-meeting: FAmNA ====================== Meeting started by dan408 at 02:02:31 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-12-19/fedora-meeting.20 12-12-19-02.02.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * === Announcements === (dan408, 02:05:27) * No FAmNA meeting on Christmas (inode0, 02:07:39) * Also no FAmNA meeting on New Year's Day (inode0, 02:09:21) * FUDCon hotel block ends on Friday and is almost full (suehle, 02:10:56) * === Open Floor === (dan408, 02:25:29) Meeting ended at 02:30:02 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * dan408 (57) * suehle (18) * inode0 (10) * zodbot (4) * nb (3) * kk4ewt (2) * lcameron (2) * rbergeron (0)

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F18 Final Blocker Bug Review #5 Minutes
by Tim Flink 17 Dec '12

17 Dec '12

============================================= #fedora-bugzappers: f18final-blocker-review-5 ============================================= The review today started as an extension of the QA meeting earlier and thus, didn't have an announcement beforehand. Since we're running out of time before F18 is supposed to be released, we're going to be having daily blocker review meetings (capped at 3 hours) until we get through the list. Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-12-17/f18final-bloc… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-12-17/f18final-bloc… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-12-17/f18final-bloc… 15:18 < zodbot> Please remember to CC: meetingminutes(a)lists.fedoraproject.org on your summary/minutes email. Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (tflink, 16:40:44) * Introduction (tflink, 16:46:53) * Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. (tflink, 16:46:58) * We'll be following the process outlined at: (tflink, 16:47:04) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting (tflink, 16:47:05) * The bugs up for review today are available at: (tflink, 16:47:10) * LINK: http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current (tflink, 16:47:10) * The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at: (tflink, 16:47:17) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Alpha_Release_Criteria (tflink, 16:47:17) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Beta_Release_Criteria (tflink, 16:47:17) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Final_Release_Criteria (tflink, 16:47:17) * 22 Proposed Blockers (tflink, 16:47:58) * 12 Accepted Blockers (tflink, 16:47:58) * 38 Proposed NTH (tflink, 16:47:58) * 9 Accepted NTH (tflink, 16:47:58) * 13 Proposed Blockers marked Ready for Discussion (tflink, 16:47:59) * (883075) fedup upgrading is too quiet (tflink, 16:49:38) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=883075 (tflink, 16:49:38) * Proposed Blocker, fedup-dracut, ASSIGNED (tflink, 16:49:38) * AGREED: 883075 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 final release criteria in spirit due to lack of user-facing progress information: "For each one of the release-blocking package sets, it must be possible to successfully complete an upgrade from a fully updated installation of the previous stable Fedora release with that package set installed, using all officially recommended upgrade mechanisms..." (tflink, 16:54:00) * (887236) UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe6 in position 3: ordinal not in range(128) (tflink, 16:54:06) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=887236 (tflink, 16:54:09) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 16:54:12) * AGREED: 887236 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 final release criterion for several well-used non-english languages: "The installer must be able to complete an installation using all supported interfaces" (tflink, 16:57:58) * (886502) create grub.cfg even when not installing bootloader (tflink, 16:58:02) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=886502 (tflink, 16:58:04) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 16:58:07) * AGREED: 886502 - RejectedBlocker AcceptedNTH - This doesn't clearly violate any F18 release criteria but it would help multibooters if we generate the config during install w/o bootloader and this can't be fixed with a post-release update. A tested fix would be considered past freeze. (tflink, 17:03:02) * (869841) attempts to resize ufs partitions (tflink, 17:03:08) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=869841 (tflink, 17:03:08) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, POST (tflink, 17:03:08) * LINK: http://www.fpaste.org/tRNH/raw/ (fenrus02, 17:07:47) * AGREED: 869841 - RejectedBlocker AcceptedNTH - While this is a technical violation of the release criteria, it seems to be a bit too much of a corner case to justify blocking release for. However, it can't be fixed with an update post-release and a tested fix would be considered past freeze (tflink, 17:30:39) * (875944) Shrink function in 'Reclaim space' dialog does not allow user to specify target size, automatically picks smallest possible size (tflink, 17:30:52) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875944 (tflink, 17:30:55) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 17:36:28) * AGREED: 875944 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 final release criteria by making other installed OSs so small, they are practically unusable after a relatively short time: "The installer must be able to install into free space alongside an existing clean single-partition Windows installation and either install a bootloader which can boot into the Windows installation, or leave the Windows bootloader untouched and working" (tflink, 17:37:49) * (885385) Strange race in livecd creation (tflink, 17:40:28) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=885385 (tflink, 17:40:28) * Proposed Blocker, livecd-tools, ON_QA (tflink, 17:40:28) * AGREED: 885385 - RejectedBlocker AcceptedNTH - This doesn't cause compose failures every time and thus isn't enough to block release. However, getting reliable composes is important and a tested fix would be considered past freeze. (tflink, 17:46:58) * (886647) Anaconda throws exception trying to setup network (tflink, 17:47:02) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=886647 (tflink, 17:47:04) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 17:47:06) * AGREED: 886647 - While potentially serious, there is not currently enough information to make a decision on blocker status. Will revisit when more information is available. (tflink, 17:52:23) * (886061) core fedora repository error must be fatal, otherwise the upgraded system might be broken heavily (tflink, 17:52:32) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=886061 (tflink, 17:52:35) * Proposed Blocker, fedup, NEW (tflink, 17:52:37) * (886705) live cd should include qemu-guest-agent package (tflink, 18:13:20) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=886705 (tflink, 18:13:20) * Proposed Blocker, spin-kickstarts, NEW (tflink, 18:13:20) * AGREED: 886705 - RejectedBlocker AcceptedNTH - This doesn't clearly violate any of the F18 release criteria and thus is rejected as a blocker. However, the livecd cannot be updated post-release so a tested fix would be considered past freeze. (tflink, 18:26:46) * (887363) cloud-init 0.7.1 change prevents creation of ec2-user (tflink, 18:27:16) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=887363 (tflink, 18:27:16) * Proposed Blocker, cloud-init, ON_QA (tflink, 18:27:16) * LINK: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/cloud/2012-December/002038.html (nirik, 18:30:15) * AGREED: 887363 - AcceptedBlocker - Violation of the following F18 final release criterion for EC2 images: "The release must boot successfully as Xen DomU with releases providing a functional, supported Xen Dom0 and widely used cloud providers utilizing Xen. This does not include any issues limited to the release functioning as Xen Dom0" (tflink, 18:36:17) * (887539) FormatDestroyError: error wiping old signatures from /dev/sdb2: 1 (tflink, 18:36:24) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=887539 (tflink, 18:36:27) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 18:36:30) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=876789 is the other bug (adamw, 18:38:59) * AGREED: 887539 - We need more information on whether this is a dupe of #876789 before making a decision on blocker status. will re-visit later (tflink, 18:44:00) * (885912) Resize of NTFS partition results in partition smaller than the filesystem, broken Windows install (tflink, 18:44:11) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=885912 (tflink, 18:44:14) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 18:44:16) * AGREED: 885912 - AcceptedBlocker - Violation of the following F18 release criterion: "All known bugs that can cause corruption of user data must be fixed or documented at Common F18 bugs" (tflink, 18:52:18) * (887357) workaround for for appliance creation in koji (tflink, 18:52:28) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=887357 (tflink, 18:52:28) * Proposed Blocker, device-mapper-multipath, ASSIGNED (tflink, 18:52:28) * AGREED: 887357 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 final release criterion by blocking the creation of cloud images: "The release must boot successfully as Xen DomU with releases providing a functional, supported Xen Dom0 and widely used cloud providers utilizing Xen. This does not include any issues limited to the release functioning as Xen Dom0" (tflink, 18:55:46) * LINK: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-20266/marble-4.9.4-2.fc… (nirik, 19:00:25) * (886329) fedmsg-0.6.3 is a broken dependency. (tflink, 19:01:50) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=886329 (tflink, 19:01:50) * Proposed NTH, fedmsg, MODIFIED (tflink, 19:01:50) * AGREED: 886329 - AcceptedNTH - There is a desire to release a final frozen repo without dep issues, even if they don't affect the F18 media. A tested fix would be considered past freeze. (tflink, 19:09:01) * (887990) 1:python-marble-4.9.4-1.fc18.x86_64 requires sip-api(8) >= 0:8.1 (tflink, 19:10:31) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=887990 (tflink, 19:10:34) * Proposed NTH, marble, MODIFIED (tflink, 19:10:37) * AGREED: 887990 - AcceptedNTH - There is a desire to release a final frozen repo without dep issues, even if they don't affect the F18 media. A tested fix would be considered past freeze. (tflink, 19:11:07) * (874378) firewalld caused minimal install to grow substantially between Alpha and Beta TC7: firewalld deps are pretty heavy (tflink, 19:15:16) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=874378 (tflink, 19:15:20) * Proposed NTH, firewalld, ON_QA (tflink, 19:15:22) * AGREED: 874378 - AcceptedNTH - This reduces the dependencies on a minimal install so that cairo and X aren't pulled in for firewalld as requested by FESCo (tflink, 19:22:58) * (885541) Renew-Subscription spam in /var/log/cups/access_log (tflink, 19:23:11) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=885541 (tflink, 19:23:11) * Proposed NTH, kde-print-manager, ON_QA (tflink, 19:23:11) * AGREED: 885541 - AcceptedNTH - This is spamming logs on the KDE live image which could cause problems with overlays or ramdisks. A tested fix would be considered past freeze. (tflink, 19:26:34) * (886734) Obsolete subpackage system-config-printer-kde in the F18 repository (tflink, 19:26:43) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=886734 (tflink, 19:26:47) * Proposed NTH, kdeadmin, ON_QA (tflink, 19:26:49) * (872468) Thai font missing from installer environment (tflink, 19:30:13) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=872468 (tflink, 19:30:13) * Proposed NTH, lorax, ON_QA (tflink, 19:30:13) * AGREED: 872468 - AcceptedNTH - It's not good form to break a language in the installer. A tested fix would be considered past freeze. (tflink, 19:31:58) * (886733) live images built with livecd-creator 18.13 have major SELinux problems (SELinux is preventing /usr/libexec/colord from 'write' accesses on the directory colord.) (tflink, 19:32:06) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=886733 (tflink, 19:32:10) * Proposed NTH, selinux-policy, MODIFIED (tflink, 19:32:12) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=886187 is also proposed as NTH (adamw, 19:37:26) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=873355 relates to xen (adamw, 19:39:23) * AGREED: 886733 - AcceptedNTH - while not absolutely critical, it would make a positive difference in the livecds and is not entirely fixable post-release. A tested fix would be considered past freeze. (tflink, 19:39:39) * Oversize issues for secondary DE spins (tflink, 19:40:34) * Covers 887120 , 887991 , 853590 (tflink, 19:40:54) * AGREED: In principle, we agree that oversize issues for secondary DE spins are accepted as NTH without explicit discussion for F18 (tflink, 19:42:58) * (887996) liveinst fails in f18 Soas TC3 Could not open x display - no protocol specified (tflink, 19:44:16) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=887996 (tflink, 19:44:19) * Proposed NTH, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 19:44:21) * AGREED: 887996 - AcceptedNTH - This breaks install of SoaS which, as a secondary DE, is a NTH issue for F18 final. (tflink, 19:46:42) * (877128) Ocaml tries to allocate a ridiculous amount of memory (tflink, 19:51:56) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=877128 (tflink, 19:51:56) * ProposedNTH, ocaml, ON_QA (tflink, 19:51:56) * AGREED: 877128 - We're not quite sure why this has to be fixed before release, will re-visit when there is more justification available (tflink, 20:04:34) * Open Floor (tflink, 20:04:58) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=886963 (adamw, 20:05:54) * (886963) Update eucalyptus to 3.2 (tflink, 20:10:14) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=886963 (tflink, 20:10:14) * Proposed NTH, eucalyptus, ON_QA (tflink, 20:10:14) * AGREED: 886963 - RejectedNTH - While the packaging bug mentioned here would be enough for NTH, it would need to be separated out by itself instead of as part of a version upgrade for multiple components. Would re-consider for a separated out fix (tflink, 20:15:52) * Open Floor (tflink, 20:15:59) * Next blocker/NTH review meeting will be tomorrow, 2012-12-18 at 17:00 UTC (tflink, 20:17:18) Meeting ended at 20:18:45 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tflink (368) * adamw (260) * nirik (99) * cmurf (79) * kparal (71) * jreznik (60) * bugbot_ (33) * fenrus02 (23) * agrimm (14) * jsmith (11) * mkrizek (10) * zodbot (9) * nanonyme (5) * pschindl (3) * rdieter (1) * satellit (1) * satellit_e (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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FAmSco meeting 2012-12-17 minutes
by Christoph Wickert 17 Dec '12

17 Dec '12

Today the new FAmSCo had it's first meeting. Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2012-12-17/famsco.2012-12… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2012-12-17/famsco.2012-12… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2012-12-17/famsco.2012-12… The next regular meeting would take place on December 24th, but we will have it because of Christmas. We'll try to schedule at least one meeting during the holidays and will keep you updated about the exact date and time. Regards, Christoph ==================================== #fedora-meeting-2: FAmSCo 2012-12-17 ==================================== Meeting started by cwickert at 17:00:59 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2012-12-17/famsco.2012-12… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll call (cwickert, 17:01:21) * nb sents regrets, he's at the dentist (good luck ;)) (cwickert, 17:02:09) * present: aeperezt, bckurera, cwickert, herlo, sesivany and tuanta (cwickert, 17:03:11) * Announcements (cwickert, 17:04:49) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Eischmann/AmbHelp (sesivany, 17:14:45) * tickets - https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/report/9 (herlo, 17:24:20) * Elect new FAmSCo chairperson (cwickert, 17:27:21) * Ticket #338 (F18 media production for EMEA) (herlo, 17:28:47) * Elect new FAmSCo chairperson (cwickert, 17:31:27) * sesivany is new FAmSCo chair, herlo is vice-chair (cwickert, 17:50:23) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_meetings (cwickert, 17:52:27) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_meetings (sesivany, 17:52:47) * please remember to set the right meeting name with "#meetingname famsco" so the meeting logs will end up in FAmSCo's team directory at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/famsco/ (cwickert, 17:54:28) * Ticket #338 (sesivany, 17:56:30) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/338 (sesivany, 17:56:41) * AGREED: ticket #338 is approved (cwickert, 17:57:42) * Naming FAmSCo seats (cwickert, 17:57:57) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassadors_Steering_Committee (herlo, 18:02:29) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_members (herlo, 18:04:32) * AGREED: reject numbering seats as suggested in #339, instead add information how long people will serve to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_members (cwickert, 18:11:52) * Discuss Budget Allocation for FY2013 (cwickert, 18:12:38) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:FAD_EMEA_2012#Event_budget (cwickert, 18:14:27) * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassadors_Steering_Committee updated with 'commision expirations' for members (herlo, 18:15:16) * EMEA will need about USD 15400 for events (cwickert, 18:21:50) * ACTION: cwickert and sesivany to finish the EMEA budget and add it to ticket #279 (cwickert, 18:22:23) * ACTION: bckurera and tuanta to draft an APAC budget and add it to ticket #279 (cwickert, 18:23:19) * ACTION: aeperezt will try to draft a budget got LATAM (cwickert, 18:28:25) * ACTION: herlo and nb will make sure budget for NA gets added to ticket #279 (cwickert, 18:28:51) * January 14th is deadline for ticket #279. All regions to make sure they have submitted their budget by then. (cwickert, 18:32:19) * Open Floor (cwickert, 18:33:31) * ACTION: cwickert to fix https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_history (cwickert, 18:35:33) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Cusco_2013 (aeperezt, 18:36:37) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Managua_2013 (aeperezt, 18:36:48) Meeting ended at 18:51:08 UTC. Action Items ------------ * cwickert and sesivany to finish the EMEA budget and add it to ticket #279 * bckurera and tuanta to draft an APAC budget and add it to ticket #279 * aeperezt will try to draft a budget got LATAM * herlo and nb will make sure budget for NA gets added to ticket #279 * cwickert to fix https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_history Action Items, by person ----------------------- * aeperezt * aeperezt will try to draft a budget got LATAM * bckurera * bckurera and tuanta to draft an APAC budget and add it to ticket #279 * cwickert * cwickert and sesivany to finish the EMEA budget and add it to ticket #279 * cwickert to fix https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_history * herlo * herlo and nb will make sure budget for NA gets added to ticket #279 * nb * herlo and nb will make sure budget for NA gets added to ticket #279 * sesivany * cwickert and sesivany to finish the EMEA budget and add it to ticket #279 * tuanta * bckurera and tuanta to draft an APAC budget and add it to ticket #279 * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * cwickert (170) * herlo (141) * sesivany (75) * aeperezt (41) * tuanta (38) * bckurera (34) * zodbot (21) * mayorgalinux (10) * nb (6)

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Docs meeting summary -- 17 December 2012
by Ben Cotton 17 Dec '12

17 Dec '12

Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (bcotton, 14:00:57) * Participants are reminded to make liberal use of #info #link #help in order to make the minutes "more better" (bcotton, 14:06:19) * Follow up on last week's action items (bcotton, 14:06:34) * ACTION: randomuser to remove Liberation fonts from Release Notes (bcotton, 14:10:34) * Release Notes (bcotton, 14:12:00) * Commits have been made into the F18 branch of the RN (the workflow for RN is that all edits are made in master) (bcotton, 14:22:41) * ACTION: claneys to attempt a git merge (bcotton, 14:22:55) * ACTION: jjmcd to update the install directory for the Release Notes (bcotton, 14:25:59) * Schedule and Guides (bcotton, 14:43:34) * LINK: http://jreznik.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-18/f-18-docs-tasks.html (bcotton, 14:43:47) * GA announcement due 18 December (bcotton, 14:44:30) * Guide String Freeze deadline has passed (bcotton, 14:44:42) * GA release is 8 January (bcotton, 14:44:57) * Outstanding BZ tickets (bcotton, 14:48:28) * LINK: http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84 (bcotton, 14:48:33) * Open Floor discussion (bcotton, 14:49:44) * ACTION: bcotton to add FUDCon NA to the meeting agenda (bcotton, 14:54:19) * ACTION: bcotton to add /usr/share/help to meeting agenda for pkovar (bcotton, 14:56:12) Meeting ended at 14:57:13 UTC. Action Items ------------ * randomuser to remove Liberation fonts from Release Notes * claneys to attempt a git merge * jjmcd to update the install directory for the Release Notes * bcotton to add FUDCon NA to the meeting agenda * bcotton to add /usr/share/help to meeting agenda for pkovar Action Items, by person ----------------------- * bcotton * bcotton to add FUDCon NA to the meeting agenda * bcotton to add /usr/share/help to meeting agenda for pkovar * claneys * claneys to attempt a git merge * jjmcd * jjmcd to update the install directory for the Release Notes * pkovar * bcotton to add /usr/share/help to meeting agenda for pkovar * randomuser * randomuser to remove Liberation fonts from Release Notes * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * bcotton (41) * jjmcd (38) * pkovar (31) * zoglesby (19) * randomuser (12) * claneys (5) * zodbot (4) * lnovich (4) * Capesteve (1) Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-12-17/fedora_docs.2012… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-12-17/fedora_docs.2012… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-12-17/fedora_docs.2012… -- Ben Cotton Fedora Docs Leader

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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2012-12-13)
by Kevin Fenzi 13 Dec '12

13 Dec '12

============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2012-12-13) ============================================ Meeting started by nirik at 19:00:05 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-12-13/infrastructure.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * welcome to the thunderdome (nirik, 19:00:06) * New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. (nirik, 19:03:58) * Applications status / discussion (nirik, 19:06:09) * LINK: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/collectd/bin/index.cgi?hostname=packages01&… (nirik, 19:19:10) * Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 19:22:25) * Private Cloud status update / discussion (nirik, 19:28:59) * Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 19:31:48) * 2012-12-11 to 2013-01-08 F18 Final Freeze (nirik, 19:31:48) * 2012-12-20 colorado RH holiday lunch (nirik, 19:31:49) * 2012-12-24 to 2013-01-01 Red Hat Shutdown for holidays. (nirik, 19:31:49) * 2012-01-05 PHX2 outage. (nirik, 19:31:49) * 2013-01-08 F18 release. (nirik, 19:31:50) * 2013-01-18 to 2013-01-20 FUDCON Lawrence (nirik, 19:31:51) * 2013-01-29 f19 feature submission deadline. (nirik, 19:31:53) * Open Floor (nirik, 19:34:24) Meeting ended at 19:45:55 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (101) * threebean (16) * mdomsch (14) * smooge (11) * abadger1999 (9) * lmacken (9) * SmootherFrOgZ (6) * maayke (4) * zodbot (4) * marcdeop (1) * samkottler (1) * skvidal (1) * ricky (0) * dgilmore (0) * CodeBlock (0) -- 19:00:05 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2012-12-13) 19:00:05 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Dec 13 19:00:05 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:05 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:06 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 19:00:06 <nirik> #topic welcome to the thunderdome 19:00:06 <nirik> #chair smooge skvidal CodeBlock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean 19:00:06 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 19:00:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: CodeBlock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky skvidal smooge threebean 19:00:13 <nirik> who all is around for meeting? 19:00:17 * threebean is here 19:00:19 * samkottler is here 19:00:20 * lmacken 19:01:01 <smooge> I am here 19:01:51 * nirik will wait a bit more for folks to wander in 19:02:02 * skvidal is here 19:02:05 * maayke is here 19:02:20 * marcdeop is here 19:02:55 * SmootherFrOgZ is around 19:03:50 <nirik> ok, lets go ahead and get started. 19:03:58 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. 19:03:58 * abadger1999 here 19:04:06 <nirik> any new folks, or apprentices with questions? 19:04:16 <maayke> hi guys, i'm new here. I'm Linux System Admin and i would like to help with some tasks. I've been using Linux: RedHat(on servers) and Fedora since 2006, and other for a few years before that. I'm interested in sysadmin tasks. 19:04:39 <nirik> excellent. welcome maayke. 19:04:51 <maayke> thanks 19:04:53 <nirik> please see me in #fedora-admin after the meeting and I can get you setup in our apprentice group. 19:05:06 <maayke> ok, thanks 19:05:22 <nirik> any other new folks? 19:06:07 <nirik> ok, lets move on then... please do chime in anytime with questions or comments. ;) 19:06:09 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 19:06:17 <nirik> any applications news this week or upcoming? 19:06:30 <nirik> we are in final freeze, but staging work is always open. ;) 19:07:25 <threebean> I've been trying to speed up the fedora-packages app and have some success with a new lib called dogpile.cache (python-dogpile-cache). 19:07:31 <nirik> I know threebean and lmacken have been working on the packages app and in particular it's bug handling page 19:07:36 * threebean nods 19:07:37 <nirik> jinx. ;) 19:08:01 <threebean> nirik: we applied it to the whole app; now everything's sped up, not just bugs. :) 19:08:06 <nirik> oh, I can share some info about askbot here... we are behind on versions, so I am trying to update it to the newest upstream. 19:08:13 <threebean> we'll probably deploy to stg soon so people can poke at it. 19:08:19 <SmootherFrOgZ> abadger1999: do you have things to add to fas otherwise I think we can start push 0.8.16 to stg 19:08:28 <nirik> sadly, the new version requires 2 new packages. One of them I just branched for epel and should be fine. 19:08:51 <nirik> the other even more sadly, has 0 license info. I mailed the author, but have had no response. 19:09:11 <nirik> threebean: cool! could this apply to some of our other apps too? 19:09:29 <threebean> nirik: definitely. 19:09:37 <abadger1999> SmootherFrOgZ: I'd like to get some changes in surrounding the openid problem we had yesterday. 19:09:39 <nirik> nice. 19:09:56 <abadger1999> SmootherFrOgZ: But I can finish those today if you want to work on getting new fas to stg tomorrow/this weekend. 19:10:52 <SmootherFrOgZ> abadger1999: nods. I can wait this weekend or even next week if needed. 19:10:53 <abadger1999> threebean: how outdated does the bugz cache get using dogpile? 19:11:09 <threebean> abadger1999: we can configure it from puppet, but I have it set to 300 seconds locally right now. 19:11:35 <abadger1999> threebean: thinking about the workflow of, open bugz, open a page per open bug. work on some set of bugs. Close. Refresh bugz page to see overview of what's left. 19:11:46 <abadger1999> threebean: sounds like that will work fine. 19:12:00 <threebean> cool 19:12:12 <nirik> should we add that it's cached to the page? 19:12:30 <threebean> nirik: good idea.. we can stick that in the footer. 19:12:33 <abadger1999> nirik: that would be a ggod idea. 19:12:40 <nirik> ie, 'this page is refreshed every 300 seconds' or something. 19:13:23 <nirik> also in app news, pingou had: "I hope to release fedocal 0.1.0 alpha this week-end :)" 19:13:34 <threebean> \o/ 19:14:35 <smooge> yay 19:14:52 <nirik> lmacken: you around? have you had any chance to get anywhere with bodhi 2 recently? I wonder if it it's in enough state we could setup a test instance for people to see it? (in sight, in mind and all that). :) 19:15:26 <nirik> just a thought. 19:15:33 * nirik looks for any other application side news. 19:16:19 <nirik> oh, we have a test instance setup for a gallery3. I've not gotten to doing anything on it... if there are folks with cycles that want to work on it, please let me know. 19:16:22 <lmacken> nirik: there's not much to see right now other than bare-bones grids and json apis, but I'll try and get something staging ready shortly 19:16:30 <nirik> I think we were waiting a bit for relrod to come up with a php fas plugin for it. 19:17:03 <nirik> lmacken: it would be cool if we had at least something ready for fudcon... and could get off the 'keep tweaking bodhi1' treadmill. ;) 19:17:12 <lmacken> nirik: yeah, exactly 19:17:59 <smooge> threebean, lmacken, the swap problem on packages... do we need to add more ram? 19:18:16 <lmacken> smooge: it doesn't seem like the swap is being used because it is out of memory 19:18:18 <nirik> I don't think that would help, it's consuming all memory+swap 19:18:24 <lmacken> someone suggested tweaking the swapiness 19:18:31 <nirik> I thought it was using it all. 19:18:51 <lmacken> nirik: it had a bunch free when I was poking at it yesterday 19:18:58 <lmacken> not sure... collectd would know? 19:18:58 <smooge> when I got onto the box memory was full and swap was full.. but there are probably multiple issues 19:18:59 <nirik> huh. 19:19:02 * nirik looks at collectd 19:19:10 <nirik> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/collectd/bin/index.cgi?hostname=packages01&… 19:19:59 <nirik> so I think it's def just leaking. 19:20:04 <nirik> or not freeing up things. 19:20:13 <nirik> is that wsgi? 19:20:23 <threebean> on packages01, it looks like it starts a midnight.. 19:20:27 <threebean> it that when the cronjob runs? 19:20:32 <threebean> cronjobs 19:21:14 <nirik> daily should be 4am 19:21:36 <nirik> anyhow, we should fix that... restarting it is anoying. ;) 19:21:47 <nirik> any other apps news? 19:22:25 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion 19:22:33 <nirik> ok, on sysadmin side of things... lets see. 19:22:47 <nirik> we have some new boxes coming in, but will need to get them racked before we can do much with them. 19:22:58 <lmacken> threebean: yeah, I think the cron jobs are probably pushing it over. 19:23:04 <lmacken> giving packages01 a little more ram couldn't hurt :) 19:23:21 <nirik> we still have 3 bits of storage to migrate. I am hoping to do that after f18 is final... 19:23:35 <nirik> our wiki attachments nfs (should be a very short downtime for wiki) 19:24:01 <nirik> and our 2 iscsi volumes (should be migrating 2 machines (shutdown, bring up, shutdown again, move back)) 19:24:29 <nirik> there's also a network outage scheduled for phx2 for early jan... (at least I think it still is, haven't heard) 19:24:37 <smooge> Jan 5 19:24:41 <nirik> yeah 19:24:42 <smooge> I believe 19:25:03 <nirik> thats the last I heard. 19:26:07 <nirik> I did some work on making trac faster. I found one nasty bottleneck. I need to adjust all the trac instances for that (it was syncing git repos on every page load) 19:26:34 <threebean> on every HTTP request? 19:26:43 <nirik> smooge: have you heard anything yet about the i2 download move stuff? 19:26:55 <smooge> no :/ 19:27:05 <smooge> sometime soon ish.. maybe 19:27:06 <nirik> threebean: every one to trac. It would sync the git repo, then process the sql or whatever for the page load... 19:27:19 <threebean> man. wow. 19:27:25 <nirik> yeah, crazy. 19:27:40 <nirik> I guess to keep it's source browser up to date... 19:27:49 <nirik> you can disable it with a simple ini add. 19:28:14 <nirik> makes things about 1/2 as much loading time. 19:28:18 * mdomsch lurks 19:28:47 <nirik> anything else sysadmin side? 19:28:59 <nirik> #topic Private Cloud status update / discussion 19:29:13 <nirik> we continue to work with the cloud setup and ansible repo... ;) 19:29:47 <nirik> I suspect we cna look at things at fudcon and see if we can knock out the rest to make them 'production' ready 19:30:28 <SmootherFrOgZ> nirik: sure thing ;) 19:30:38 <nirik> SmootherFrOgZ: you gonna make it to fudcon? 19:30:44 <SmootherFrOgZ> nirik: yep 19:30:47 <mdomsch> network outage 3 days before release? 19:30:47 <nirik> awesome. 19:30:47 <mdomsch> ugh 19:30:51 <mdomsch> lousy timing 19:30:54 <nirik> mdomsch: yeah, I am not happy about that. 19:31:02 <nirik> mdomsch: they claim it will be <15min for us 19:31:08 <mdomsch> k 19:31:17 <nirik> but you know how things go... 19:31:39 <nirik> ok, moving on to upcoming items: 19:31:48 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 19:31:48 <nirik> #info 2012-12-11 to 2013-01-08 F18 Final Freeze 19:31:49 <nirik> #info 2012-12-20 colorado RH holiday lunch 19:31:49 <nirik> #info 2012-12-24 to 2013-01-01 Red Hat Shutdown for holidays. 19:31:49 <nirik> #info 2012-01-05 PHX2 outage. 19:31:50 <nirik> #info 2013-01-08 F18 release. 19:31:51 <nirik> #info 2013-01-18 to 2013-01-20 FUDCON Lawrence 19:31:53 <nirik> #info 2013-01-29 f19 feature submission deadline. 19:31:56 <nirik> anything we need to note or schedule? 19:32:38 <mdomsch> oooh, I want in on the colorado lunch. :-) 19:32:41 * nirik notes the colorado rh lunch is on there because I will be away from keyboard for a while that day driving down to it and back. ;) 19:32:52 <nirik> mdomsch: you gonna be in co then? :) 19:33:02 * mdomsch passes through Denver 12/29 19:33:33 <nirik> I'll be around if you want to grab a beer somewhere. ;) 19:33:35 <mdomsch> how confident is rel-eng / QA on hitting 01/08 release? 19:33:55 <nirik> There's a lot of blockers right now, but they are knocking them out... hard to say 19:34:24 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 19:34:36 <nirik> anyone have anything for open floor? ideas? suggestions? rants? 19:35:07 <mdomsch> MM grew a new set of repository pointers this afternoon: https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=fedora-install-18&arch=x8… 19:35:11 <mdomsch> for fedup's use 19:35:23 <nirik> cool. ;) 19:35:24 <mdomsch> just DB items, no code changes, so it doesn't break freeze 19:35:46 <mdomsch> is there a list of stuff to accomplish at FUDCon? 19:36:04 <nirik> there's not, but perhaps we should make one. 19:36:27 * mdomsch also raises 3 cheers for the 2FA team 19:36:51 <nirik> yeah, I'm glad we have that in place now. 19:37:32 <nirik> and we will probibly want to discuss where we want to expand it to down the road. 19:37:39 <nirik> (if anywhere) 19:37:46 <abadger1999> <nod> 19:38:20 <abadger1999> Due to how well the fad worked, one thought was to use fudcon to plan for some fads that we should have over the course of hte year. 19:38:26 <smooge> RH lunch in CO? 19:38:36 <nirik> smooge: yep. You could drive up! :) 19:38:41 <smooge> next you will get an office!!! 19:38:57 <nirik> abadger1999: yeah, agreed... 19:39:16 <SmootherFrOgZ> abadger1999: +1 19:40:20 <nirik> where was that wiki page we had about things to do from the last fudcon? 19:40:28 <nirik> I wanted to make a new version of it for the next one. 19:41:09 <nirik> oh well, will just make a new page. 19:41:31 * mdomsch wants some real-world examples of using the new message bus, so I can hook MM up to it 19:41:58 <nirik> we can def provide that. 19:43:02 <nirik> anyhow, I will make a fudcon planning page of some kind and we can gather ideas and discuss them next week... hash out the big sessions we want to have. 19:43:45 <nirik> ok, anything else? or shall we call it a meeting ? 19:43:59 <nirik> mdomsch: drop by #fedora-apps and threebean can point you at docs for fedmsg 19:44:15 <threebean> mdomsch: I missed your comment. yeah, I can show you. :) 19:45:38 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone. 19:45:45 <smooge> okie dokie 19:45:49 <nirik> do continue in #fedora-admin, #fedora-noc and #fedora-apps! 19:45:55 <nirik> #endmeeting

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Summary/Minutes from today's irc support sig meeting (2012-12-13)
by Kevin Fenzi 13 Dec '12

13 Dec '12

============================================= #fedora-meeting: IRC Support SIG (2012-12-13) ============================================= Meeting started by nirik at 17:00:05 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-12-13/irc-support-sig.… . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (nirik, 17:00:06) * Week in review (nirik, 17:04:23) * LINK: http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html (nirik, 17:04:23) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedUp (nirik, 17:14:10) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA%3AFedora_18_Upgrade_Testing (nirik, 17:14:24) * test fedup, get folks to report bugs. (nirik, 17:16:55) * ticket #132 Sick of "you want me to support someone, pay me" attitude in #fedora (nirik, 17:19:31) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/132 (nirik, 17:19:31) * ticket #131 Uncalled-for behaviour on #fedora (nirik, 17:27:45) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/131 (nirik, 17:27:46) * Open Floor (nirik, 17:29:00) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/133 (BobJensen, 17:29:34) * ticket #133 Kudos to BobJensen for helping out in #fedora (nirik, 17:30:02) * Open Floor again (nirik, 17:30:53) * no meeting on 2012-12-27 (nirik, 17:38:46) * please send topics to the list and/or file tickets. (nirik, 17:40:47) Meeting ended at 17:41:16 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (71) * BobJensen (52) * wwoods (16) * dcr226 (16) * zodbot (3) * digitalknight (3) * underscores (1) * pingou (1) -- 17:00:05 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2012-12-13) 17:00:05 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Dec 13 17:00:05 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:05 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:06 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig 17:00:06 <nirik> #topic init process 17:00:06 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig' 17:00:17 <nirik> who all is around for irc sig meeting? 17:00:56 * dcr226 skips gayly around the channel 17:02:45 <nirik> ha 17:02:55 * BobJensen 17:04:16 <nirik> ok, I guess we should go ahead... probibly a short meeting. 17:04:23 <nirik> #topic Week in review 17:04:23 <nirik> http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html 17:04:36 <nirik> anyone have anything to note from the previous week? 17:04:39 <nirik> trends, etc? 17:05:40 <nirik> more folks on f18... but I haven't seen all that much common issues, etc yet. 17:05:42 <BobJensen> underscores: It's about time you showed up 17:05:48 <dcr226> Bob @ #2...hardcore 17:05:57 <nirik> it will be interesting to see how well fedup works for people. 17:06:15 <BobJensen> dcr226: it's hard work keeping up with the SMS crowd 17:06:43 <dcr226> BobJensen, SMS crowd? 17:06:47 <BobJensen> Yeah, I was hoping to give fedup a run yesterday 17:07:01 <BobJensen> But I played Bingo instead 17:07:02 * nirik is optomistic that it will be a nice step up from preupgrade. 17:07:27 <BobJensen> the devs of fedup want our input as things come up 17:07:58 <BobJensen> wwoods, and... damn I forgot the other nick 17:08:15 <wwoods> nope, just me 17:08:17 <nirik> tflink has been working on it from the qa side. ;) 17:08:29 <nirik> but yeah, just wwoods, uberhacker. ;) 17:08:29 <BobJensen> nirik: that is the nick 17:08:59 <wwoods> bug creator AND bug fixer 17:09:15 <BobJensen> If we see something lets get them the info so we can make it a viable tool, a better user experience than preFAILupgrade was. 17:09:19 <wwoods> gatekeeper AND keymaster 17:09:19 <nirik> brewer, patriot? ;) 17:09:32 <wwoods> don't forget gentleman and scholar 17:09:50 <nirik> :) 17:10:16 <wwoods> anyway I should put up some pictures of the in-progress UI for review 17:10:17 <nirik> wwoods: so, standard drill, get folks to file bugs, etc? 17:10:37 <BobJensen> wwoods: I'll try getting a run at an upgrade of a cloned system here, on hardware for you today or tomorrow. 17:10:39 <wwoods> well, yeah, but familiarize yourselves with known bugs / common problems first 17:11:10 <pingou> wwoods: there are ? three machine with fedup and 0 problem for me :] 17:11:12 <wwoods> getting a lot of CLOSED NOTABUG reports that turn out to be things like "user had a power outage during the install that he somehow didn't notice" 17:11:34 <wwoods> or "user is running virtualbox and the drivers are out of date so the system seems to hang on reboot" 17:12:13 <nirik> always fun. 17:12:26 <wwoods> the missing plymouth progress screen is the most obvious thing right now - patch is upstream, needs a new plymouth build and rebuilt upgrade.img to fix 17:12:46 <wwoods> so 'til then, "plymouth.splash=fedup" is a good idea 17:13:02 <wwoods> I guess I could patch the F17 package to add that, for now 17:13:21 <BobJensen> wwoods: Links for known issues and general instructions? 17:13:28 <nirik> right now the upgrade.img from beta is getting used? 17:13:38 <wwoods> nirik: yeah 17:13:52 <wwoods> general instructions, um. I know there's tflink's testing instructions/notes somewhere 17:14:00 * nirik has some links, just a sec. 17:14:10 <nirik> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedUp 17:14:24 <nirik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA%3AFedora_18_Upgrade_Testing 17:14:49 <wwoods> yeah, the first link has the right info 17:14:57 <nirik> so, we will still be using the beta img until after f18 release I guess. ;( so yeah, a f17 package with the splash might be good. 17:15:02 <wwoods> and --instrepo won't be required once mirrormanager changes happen 17:15:08 <digitalknight> hello all,when do we expect the meeting to start? 17:15:36 <BobJensen> digitalknight: Depending on what meeting... 15 minutes ago 17:15:51 <nirik> digitalknight: the irc support sig meeting is on right now. if you mean the infra meeting thats not for a few hours. 17:16:45 <BobJensen> wwoods: Thanks for the input Will 17:16:46 <nirik> anyhow, we will see how things go. ;) 17:16:55 <nirik> #info test fedup, get folks to report bugs. 17:17:30 <nirik> anything else on fedup or for week in review? 17:18:05 <wwoods> also keep track of when it works *right* so I don't feel so bad (ps thanks pingou! :D) 17:18:08 <digitalknight> oh sorry :) 17:18:13 <digitalknight> I am here for infra meeting 17:19:04 <BobJensen> Moving on? 17:19:25 <nirik> yeah... we have two tickets. we discussed them a bit last week, but there was only 2 folks here, so I didn't want to close them yet. 17:19:31 <nirik> #topic ticket #132 Sick of "you want me to support someone, pay me" attitude in #fedora 17:19:31 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/132 17:19:56 <BobJensen> I have to speak up about this ticket. 17:20:25 * nirik personally doesn't understand what the issue is... it doesn't make sense to me. 17:20:33 <BobJensen> It is nothing more than a rambling vent. It takes discussions between other parties out of context. 17:20:47 <dcr226> nirik, too much student beer 17:21:21 <nirik> dunno. IMHO there are completely valid reasons to disengage and stop helping someone... 17:21:32 <BobJensen> I was helping a user, I let the user know that I would not be able to continue. 17:22:10 <nirik> you have to go, you get called away, you think someone else could help better, you see the user getting frustrated and think a break would help you both, you are getting frustrated and don't want to say anything bad to the user, and so on... 17:22:25 <BobJensen> A third party questioned my desire to stop helping them, implied that I "had to continue" I told them that they could pay me to support someone if they wanted. 17:22:52 <BobJensen> and I stand by that. 17:23:06 * dcr226 would like to note he'll undercut Bob's hourly rate...just sayin' 17:23:09 <nirik> perhaps the objection was about the pay comment? ie, if someone did pay you they would feel bad that you were the only one being paid to provide support? 17:23:35 <BobJensen> If we are going to be required to help EVERYONE with EVERYTHING no matter what... then get the money rolling because that sounds like a job to me. 17:23:35 <nirik> anyhow, proposal: close with 'if you have concrete changes to propose, please do. Thanks for the discussion" 17:24:13 <dcr226> nirik, +1 17:24:40 <nirik> I mean I agree we should be polite when bowing out... "sorry, I can't help you further right now, good luck" 17:24:52 <BobJensen> As for my stance on SElinux, if a user disables SElinux for NO reason, NO errors, they are making a poor choice IMO and I will not help them. 17:24:53 <nirik> but I haven't really seen anyone being otherwise that I recall. 17:25:33 <nirik> sure, all thats personal decision... like if you wish to help folks from embargoed countries, or if you will help people install non free software. 17:25:41 <dcr226> BobJensen, doesn't matter. Your reason can be "you have blue eyes", its volunteer work..you don't need to justify your reason for not helping 17:25:49 * nirik nods. 17:26:03 <BobJensen> I will commonly encourage them to get things back in order and help them, BUT not when it is going to derail what they are trying to solve at that time. 17:26:14 <nirik> someone could be too picky to be useful in a community... but I think we are very far from that. 17:26:16 <dcr226> personally I'll refuse to help anyone with smelly feet. If they own up to it in the channel, I'm out 17:26:43 <BobJensen> The user in this case has since enabled SElinux and has no errors involved IIRC 17:27:07 <nirik> right... if someone in this sig said "I refuse to help people who use Fedora" I think we would have to ask them to go somewhere else... ;) 17:27:17 <dcr226> :) 17:27:18 <nirik> anyhow, we are beating a dead horse. ;) 17:27:19 * BobJensen nods 17:27:25 <nirik> next ticket? 17:27:37 <BobJensen> Bring it... 17:27:39 <BobJensen> ;) 17:27:45 <nirik> #topic ticket #131 Uncalled-for behaviour on #fedora 17:27:46 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/131 17:27:55 <nirik> proposal: close this with "thanks for the feedback" 17:28:05 <nirik> I don't actually see any bad behavior. 17:28:20 <BobJensen> proposal: close this with "Piss Off" 17:28:24 <BobJensen> ;) 17:28:26 <dcr226> HAHAHAHA 17:28:47 <nirik> heh. 17:29:00 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 17:29:09 <BobJensen> Hey 17:29:10 <nirik> anything for open floor? suggestions? comments? 17:29:16 <BobJensen> What about my other ticket 17:29:23 <nirik> hum? 17:29:25 * nirik looks 17:29:34 <BobJensen> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/133 17:29:36 <dcr226> he wants a pat on the back 17:29:40 <dcr226> BobJensen++ 17:29:42 <dcr226> ;-P 17:29:48 <nirik> oh oops. ;) 17:29:53 <BobJensen> Stroke me a little after the beating 17:29:56 <BobJensen> ;) 17:30:02 <nirik> #topic ticket #133 Kudos to BobJensen for helping out in #fedora 17:30:07 <nirik> kudos to BobJensen 17:30:08 <nirik> :) 17:30:08 <dcr226> :-) 17:30:19 <BobJensen> Was a simple fix in the end 17:30:26 * dcr226 hometime, later 17:30:32 <dcr226> s/hometime/nachotime 17:30:41 <BobJensen> Not a lot of damage done and was able to help clean their system up. 17:30:47 <nirik> nice. ;) 17:30:53 <nirik> #topic Open Floor again 17:31:09 <nirik> does someone want to close tickets? or I guess I can. 17:31:23 <BobJensen> New users getting bad advice from who knows where 17:31:59 <nirik> there's a lot of it out there. ;( 17:32:18 <BobJensen> We see this with every release cycle, as in the case of Ticket 133 an untrusted repo with history, that shall not be named. 17:32:49 * nirik nods. 17:32:56 <BobJensen> Lately these have been easy to clean up and have not required a clean install as they did in the past. 17:33:31 <BobJensen> I urge you all to TRY to help clean them up, or send them to me, before getting drastic. 17:33:48 <nirik> I think it's less overlapping than in the past 17:34:16 <BobJensen> The user will appreciate it in the end and they also get the chance to learn somehting from their mistakes 17:34:40 <BobJensen> nirik: the big thing is "yum update" fails rather than replacing core packages/files 17:35:09 <BobJensen> Or has been seen to fail more often 17:35:31 <underscores> BobJensen: do you mean by untrusted repos. repos from 3rd party providers that are neither livna nor rpmfusion? (which usually work) 17:36:01 <BobJensen> underscores: Correct, there is a repo out there that has a long history of being... less friendly 17:36:24 <BobJensen> underscores: does not integrate well with Fedora and RPM Fusion 17:36:47 <nirik> anyhow, anything further? or shall we call it a meeting? 17:37:12 <BobJensen> I admit that I have used it in the past, but you had to be incredibly careful. 17:38:15 <BobJensen> nirik: can we cancel the holiday week meeting now? 17:38:28 <nirik> sure... the 27th? 17:38:31 <BobJensen> nirik: No meeting on Dec 27 17:38:35 <BobJensen> right 17:38:37 <nirik> sounds good to me. 17:38:46 <nirik> #info no meeting on 2012-12-27 17:39:40 <BobJensen> also, I want to urge people to speak up if they have somethign they want to cover and we might otherwise cancel our meeting 17:40:04 <BobJensen> a lot of times we have been canceling because we have no tickets 17:40:23 <BobJensen> send something to the list if it comes to mind 17:40:25 <nirik> yep. very true 17:40:41 <BobJensen> that's it from me. 17:40:47 <nirik> #info please send topics to the list and/or file tickets. 17:41:13 <nirik> thanks for coming everyone! 17:41:16 <nirik> #endmeeting

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meetingminutes December 2012