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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2013-11-07)
by Kevin Fenzi 07 Nov '13

07 Nov '13

============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2013-11-07) ============================================ Meeting started by nirik at 19:00:22 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-11-07/infrastructure.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * welcome y'all (nirik, 19:00:23) * New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. (nirik, 19:02:04) * Applications status / discussion (nirik, 19:09:09) * coprs is announced. Work will be ongoing to move it to a more standard application setup (nirik, 19:11:48) * we are go for release next tuesday of F20beta (nirik, 19:21:01) * our next freeze will start on 2013-11-26 (nirik, 19:21:37) * Sysadmin tasks/Discussion (nirik, 19:23:33) * Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 19:26:18) * LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/ (nirik, 19:26:18) * Open Floor (nirik, 19:30:05) Meeting ended at 19:34:08 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (71) * mirek (21) * anshprat (14) * frankieonuonga (13) * abadger1999 (11) * zodbot (4) * croberts (4) * ausmarton (3) * edgar_ (2) * smooge (1) * robyduck (1) * relrod (1) * puiterwijk (0) * lmacken (0) * threebean (0) * mdomsch (0) * pingou (0) * dgilmore (0) -- 19:00:22 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2013-11-07) 19:00:22 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Nov 7 19:00:22 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:22 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:23 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 19:00:23 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 19:00:23 <nirik> #topic welcome y'all 19:00:23 <nirik> #chair smooge relrod nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean pingou puiterwijk 19:00:23 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik pingou puiterwijk relrod smooge threebean 19:00:34 * frankieonuonga is here 19:00:46 * relrod here 19:01:00 * mirek here 19:01:12 * ausmarton here 19:01:13 * abadger1999 here 19:01:24 * anshprat here 19:01:57 <nirik> morning everyone. 19:02:04 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. 19:02:09 <frankieonuonga> morning to you 19:02:17 <nirik> any new folks? or apprentices with questions or comments? 19:02:22 <frankieonuonga> it is however night time for me in nbi 19:02:31 <nirik> I'll note that I have been slow to send out the monthly apprentice email. Will send later today. 19:02:44 <anshprat> I am done with askbot stg , now working on packaging . Its done and tested on epel 19:02:53 <anshprat> need to do it on fedora / rawhide 19:03:11 <mirek> I have question, can I do something as apprentice in cloud? 19:03:27 <anshprat> I am kinda hardpressed for time these days, so any apprentice help would be great.. 19:03:33 <nirik> anshprat: cool. thanks for working on it. ;) 19:03:43 <mirek> I have openstack workshop done, so I thought that I can do some small task in cloud 19:03:44 <nirik> mirek: not sure what you mean? what sort of thing? 19:03:52 <nirik> ah, work on the cloud itself? 19:04:07 <mirek> yes 19:04:17 <ausmarton> I need help in picking a task. 19:04:47 <anshprat> ausmarton: wanna help me out? :D 19:05:15 <ausmarton> yeah, I think I can. 19:05:23 <anshprat> maybe we should do something like pair programming in apprenticeship as well :) 19:05:35 <anshprat> ausmarton: great, thanks, ping you after meeting in #fedora-apps 19:05:35 <nirik> mirek: well, I need to figure out how to setup access better. There's several people interested in helping with cloud stuff. Also, not clear what tasks we need done right now, but we could try and make a list. ;) so, yes, help welcome, just need to organize it more. 19:07:02 <mirek> nirik: I definitelly should be able to add and remove volumes, which otherwise you have to do :) 19:07:34 <nirik> mirek: yeah, the way we have things setup thats a task done by root on lockbox01 tho... 19:07:48 <nirik> so we need to figure out how to setup access better 19:08:19 <nirik> but I can try and work on that... 19:08:29 <mirek> nirik: no problem, no rush. I can file tickets as well. But if you figure somthing I can off load some work from you. 19:08:47 <nirik> yeah, thanks much. 19:09:09 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 19:09:18 <nirik> any applications news/status/plans? 19:10:11 <mirek> Copr is publicly announced, and open to everybody with FAS account. And officially supported. Well supported just by me. So I want to start worki 19:10:12 <mirek> ng on flipping it to standard infra component 19:10:37 <nirik> cool. How much uptake have you seen? I've seen builders being spawned. ;) 19:11:00 * robyduck late, sorry 19:11:23 <nirik> no worries. 19:11:32 <mirek> nirik: it is iddling right now 19:11:48 <nirik> #info coprs is announced. Work will be ongoing to move it to a more standard application setup 19:12:18 <mirek> but several projects and user has appear in last few hours, so I will watch the trend 19:12:21 <nirik> There's been some work on mailman3/hyperkitty... we remade the staging instance today, so hopefully we are close now to being able to do a prod instance. 19:12:43 <nirik> mirek: yeah, will be good to see how popular it is. Might also do a blog post or a devel-announce post on it? 19:13:01 <mirek> I want to ask - can I have postgresdb on standard fedora server? 19:13:35 <mirek> nirik: I sent it just to devel. I want to make bigger rush, once we accept it as part of infrastructure 19:14:12 <nirik> mirek: currently we have 1 large pgsql server that all the various applications use. We don't do db's on application servers usually. 19:14:16 <nirik> sounds reasonable. 19:14:36 <mirek> also I would like to have some nicer domain. probably cnamed to current one, is it possible 19:15:09 <mirek> copr have in db, just names of projects and small data for each build, so that db is quite small. and will be small. 19:15:11 <nirik> in infra we were trying to move apps to use 'apps.fedoraproject.org/appname' but some aren't yet 19:15:37 <nirik> and yeah we could do another domain (if it's available), but we have to go thru legal and such 19:16:18 <mirek> I meant somethin under fedoraproject.org. e.g. copr.fedoraproject.org 19:16:20 * nirik guesses most of the other application folks are not present today. :) 19:16:26 <mirek> but ok, I will try to move it to apps 19:16:27 <nirik> ah, yeah, we can do that... 19:16:41 <nirik> we never decided if it was going to be a hard rule or not. 19:16:57 <nirik> one advantage is that if you login one place you could share the auth cookie for another app 19:17:15 <anshprat> yeah, pretty quiet in here today! 19:17:23 <mirek> and db... from what I seen that db stuff is indepenent from application. all apps have cname for its db server, even if it is still same box 19:17:44 <mirek> so I assumed that we can move db in one step and app in another 19:17:44 <nirik> yep. we talked about splitting them out someday, but haven't. 19:18:05 <nirik> I still need to look at replication setups and see if we can do some replication. 19:18:48 <nirik> any other application news? 19:18:52 <abadger1999> yeah -- with openid, single sign on shouldn't depend on being under apps.fp.o anymore 19:18:57 <nirik> mirek: oh, is there any movement on koji integration yet? 19:19:03 <nirik> abadger1999: yeah. 19:19:46 <abadger1999> Sortof a non-news from me 19:19:58 <mirek> nirik: little - mclean and james are working on haveing namespaces in koji. I did not start working on my parts yet, as I have still lots of work on this phase 19:19:58 <abadger1999> I have a ton of non-infra/non-coding work right now 19:20:14 <abadger1999> scls and fesco and new env and stack working group. 19:20:16 <nirik> mirek: understandable. 19:20:27 <nirik> abadger1999: yeah. ;( 19:20:31 <abadger1999> If anyone wants to help out with python-fedora or such, just let me know. 19:20:47 <nirik> Oh, one thing to note... well, several related things: 19:20:54 <anshprat> abadger1999: what all things in there? 19:21:01 <nirik> #info we are go for release next tuesday of F20beta 19:21:02 <abadger1999> I'll make time to get you up to speed on making a release/outstanding issues so I'm not a single point of failure. 19:21:37 <nirik> #info our next freeze will start on 2013-11-26 19:21:49 <nirik> so, not much time unfrozen. 19:21:53 <edgar_> What need to be done in python-fedora? 19:21:57 <abadger1999> anshprat: For python-fedora right now, we have an outstanding issue about how to integrate otp support. 19:22:04 <nirik> would be good to get ready for the unfreeze and land things we want to. :) 19:22:30 <abadger1999> anshprat: we also have an outstanding issue about newer flask changing what can be stored in sessions. 19:22:42 <abadger1999> Those two things need to be solved and then a new release made. 19:22:55 <edgar_> ok 19:22:59 <abadger1999> Talk to me in #fedora-apps after the meeting and I'll link you to the existing bugs and such. 19:23:08 <anshprat> abadger1999: alright 19:23:24 <nirik> cool. ;) 19:23:33 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin tasks/Discussion 19:23:43 <nirik> Not too much on the sysadmin side... 19:23:54 <nirik> fixed our volume issues on the openstack cloud finally. 19:24:23 <nirik> Found out that when you remove a volume it also dd's /dev/zero to it... which caused some problems when I nuked a 200GB volume. 19:24:33 <mirek> :) 19:24:43 <nirik> Got our new blade server finally up and happy with iscsi... 19:24:58 <nirik> Built a buildvm on it and ran some benchmarks. 19:24:58 <mirek> where some problems = half of the cloud goes down 19:25:14 <nirik> mirek: yeah. apparently they made it a config option in newer openstack... 19:25:15 * croberts waves 19:25:20 <croberts> sorry im late 19:25:24 <nirik> no problems 19:25:55 <nirik> nothing else too exciting to report on the sysadmin side. The usual new mailing lists, hosted projects, etc etc. 19:26:18 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 19:26:18 <nirik> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/ 19:26:29 <nirik> anything upcoming folks would like to schedule or note? 19:27:00 <croberts> i am going to ask for updates and assign myself to the wiki tickets you listed nirik: so i apolgize up front for the mailing list spam 19:27:07 <croberts> reflecting those changes 19:27:15 <nirik> croberts: no problem. 19:27:31 * nirik gets also bcc'ed on any infrastructure tickets changes. I'm used to lots of emails. 19:28:08 <anshprat> nirik: which list gets *all* the infra tickets mail? I would like to get a daily digest I guess.. 19:28:28 <smooge> are we looking at another week of freeze? 19:28:31 <nirik> anshprat: there's not one. It depends on components where they go 19:28:43 <nirik> anshprat: if you want I can add you to bcc tho 19:28:51 <nirik> smooge: nope. Beta release on tuesday. 19:28:59 <anshprat> nirik: sure, that should be great, thanks 19:30:05 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 19:30:11 <nirik> anything anyone has for open floor? 19:30:19 <nirik> questions, comments, ideas, pie recipes? 19:30:43 <frankieonuonga> yeah…I am updating search wiki page and doing an email tomorrow 19:30:50 <nirik> great. 19:30:57 <frankieonuonga> have two guys helping so far which is great 19:31:04 <nirik> frankieonuonga: ping me after the wiki page update and I can give feedback. ;) 19:31:20 <frankieonuonga> nirik: thank you 19:31:23 <frankieonuonga> :-) 19:31:25 <frankieonuonga> i will 19:31:29 <nirik> great. 19:31:33 <anshprat> frankieonuonga: I should be able to pitch in from this month end onwards.. 19:31:53 <frankieonuonga> anshprat: thank you 19:31:57 <frankieonuonga> that would be great 19:32:06 <frankieonuonga> remember this is not mine..it is for all of us 19:32:11 <anshprat> :) 19:32:18 <frankieonuonga> no boss if you ask me 19:32:23 <frankieonuonga> :-) 19:32:57 <nirik> cool. 19:33:07 <nirik> anything else from anyone? if not will close out in a minute. 19:34:05 <nirik> Cool. Thanks for coming everyone! 19:34:08 <nirik> #endmeeting

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Summary/Minutes from today's FPC Meeting (2013-10-07 16:00 - 17:35 UTC) (unofficial pre-meeting started at 15:20 UTC)
by James Antill 07 Nov '13

07 Nov '13

====================== #fedora-meeting-1: fpc ====================== Meeting started by abadger1999 at 16:11:40 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-07/fedora-meeting… . Meeting summary --------------- * SCL Draft discussion (abadger1999, 16:11:50) * approve the Retirement section of the SCL Draft (abadger1999, 16:42:23) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Toshio/SCL_Guidelines_(draft)#SCL_Retir… (abadger1999, 16:42:32) * retirement section of SCL draft approved (+1:5, 0:0, -1:0) (abadger1999, 16:46:33) * filesystem location (abadger1999, 16:47:07) * LINK: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/packaging/2013-November/009728.ht… (abadger1999, 16:47:54) * dots in version portion (abadger1999, 16:52:28) * Agreed that the version portion of scl names must include dots. (+1:5, 0:1, -1:0) (abadger1999, 17:00:35) * #352 BLAS and LAPACK packaging (abadger1999, 17:01:27) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/352 (abadger1999, 17:01:32) * deferred BLAS LAPACK discussion waiting on spot's input (abadger1999, 17:04:29) * #355 How to package noarch packages which require a binary dependency which doesn't build on all archs? (abadger1999, 17:04:40) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/355 (abadger1999, 17:04:45) * ACTION: abadger1999 to write a draft based on the nodejs strategy that also accounts for BuildRequires (abadger1999, 17:17:03) * #357 time-api prior to openJDK8 (abadger1999, 17:22:28) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/248 (abadger1999, 17:25:36) * General Guideline allowing Reverse Bundling for backwards compat will finish voting in ticket (+1:4, 0:0, -1:0) (abadger1999, 17:39:47) * Open Floor (abadger1999, 17:40:40) Meeting ended at 18:36:19 UTC. Action Items ------------ * abadger1999 to write a draft based on the nodejs strategy that also accounts for BuildRequires Action Items, by person ----------------------- * abadger1999 * abadger1999 to write a draft based on the nodejs strategy that also accounts for BuildRequires * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * abadger1999 (198) * RemiFedora (70) * geppetto (65) * tibbs|w (23) * limburgher (13) * racor (8) * Rathann (6) * zodbot (5) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)
by Toshio Kuratomi 07 Nov '13

07 Nov '13

====================== #fedora-meeting: fesco ====================== Meeting started by abadger1999 at 18:02:39 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-11-06/fedora-meeting.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (abadger1999, 18:02:59) * #1185 Enable "-Werror=format-security" by default (abadger1999, 18:04:46) * Adding to gcc's -Wall as a local Fedora patch was rejected (abadger1999, 18:08:12) * Deferred another week awaiting results of mass rebuild (abadger1999, 18:08:45) * #1192 OpenH264 as an automatic download by firefox/Statement to the ietf WebRTC working group (abadger1999, 18:08:58) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1192#comment:8 (abadger1999, 18:12:45) * additional text from pjones approved (+1:7, 0:0, -1:0) (abadger1999, 18:39:05) * ACTION: abadger1999 to take care of sending the statement to the ietf. (abadger1999, 18:40:38) * #1191 Fedora 20 schedule adjustment (abadger1999, 18:42:00) * Move up the final freeze by one week passed (+1:7, 0:0, -1:1) (abadger1999, 18:51:11) * #1194 Ratify Server Working Group governance charter (abadger1999, 18:51:54) * Server working group governance charter approved (+1:8, 0:0, -1:0) (abadger1999, 18:55:37) * #1193 reboots for all updates -- are we ready for this? (abadger1999, 18:55:56) * Change owners are trusted to, _and dependent upon_, highlight all relevant changes. Not noting important changes (whether due to oversight or intentionally) breaks the Change process, and would sadly motivate FESCo to institute a more heavy-handed and higher-overhead process, which nobody wants to have. (mitr, 19:22:54) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1001335 (jreznik, 19:23:51) * mitr's proposal to update change policy passed (+1:5, 0:0, -1:1) (abadger1999, 19:40:45) * Proposal to Keep F20 behavior as-is (all offline updates for gnome). Update Change page to reflect current implementation, update docs and release notes to match. Passed (+1:5, 0:2, -1:0) (abadger1999, 19:43:30) * #1189 Stalled bug 758826 -- requesting intervention (abadger1999, 19:46:21) * twoerner working on an update. Will update the bug report. (abadger1999, 19:50:39) * Open floor (abadger1999, 19:50:45) * F21 Change Process (abadger1999, 19:51:20) * F21 Change Process is open for submissions (abadger1999, 19:52:15) * Elections (abadger1999, 19:52:23) * jreznik will send an announcement that we're seeking an Election Wrangler. (abadger1999, 19:53:56) * Next week's Chair (abadger1999, 19:54:05) * nirik to chair next week's meeting (abadger1999, 19:55:03) * Open Floor (abadger1999, 19:55:10) * Regarding the earlier discussion on OpenH264, if Fedora community members have a project in Fedora that is intending to use OpenH264 in some way, please talk to FESCo before integrating code to use it. (notting, 20:02:39) Meeting ended at 20:06:34 UTC. Action Items ------------ * abadger1999 to take care of sending the statement to the ietf. Action Items, by person ----------------------- * abadger1999 * abadger1999 to take care of sending the statement to the ietf. * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * abadger1999 (159) * nirik (70) * mattdm (60) * sgallagh (57) * pjones (48) * notting (47) * mitr (46) * adamw (38) * mclasen (33) * jreznik (24) * t8m (21) * drago01 (13) * zodbot (10) * twoerner (7) * jwb (7) * mmaslano (6) * jreznik2 (2) * masta (1) * Southern_Gentlem (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Fedora Ambassadors Latam Meeting Log / Registrs de la reunion de embajadores de Fedora latam 2013-11-06
by alejandro perez 06 Nov '13

06 Nov '13

Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-11-06/fedora_ambassado… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-11-06/fedora_ambassado… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-11-06/fedora_ambassado…

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Fedora Cloud WG weekly meeting minutes - 6 Nov 2013
by Sam Kottler 06 Nov '13

06 Nov '13

Thanks everyone who was able to make it to the meeting today! For those who weren't able to make it, here are few important links: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-06/fedora-meeting… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-06/fedora-meeting… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-06/fedora-meeting… Here's a summary of the meeting (link to the HTML version above): ========================================== #fedora-meeting-1: Cloud WG weekly meeting ========================================== Meeting started by samkottler at 17:00:29 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-06/fedora-meeting… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll call (samkottler, 17:04:35) * Announcements (samkottler, 17:05:53) * ACTION: frankieonuonga to bump his initial mail about roles + responsibilities (samkottler, 17:09:30) * rbergeron frankieonuonga stahnma samkottler to work on the PRD (samkottler, 17:19:19) * the goal for PRD completion is december 15th, the pace needed for that will be determined on the list (samkottler, 17:23:54) * AGREED: the goal for PRD completion is december 15th, the pace needed for that will be determined on the list (+5) (samkottler, 17:25:13) * pending tickets (samkottler, 17:25:55) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/1 (samkottler, 17:26:26) * LINK: https://git.fedorahosted.org/git/cloud-image-service.git (samkottler, 17:32:38) * frankieonuonga will work with dgilmore and others in rel-eng to communicate about WG plans and help automate different processes (samkottler, 17:33:49) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/2 (samkottler, 17:40:46) * ACTION: samkottler to do more research into the actual tools and their licenses that are required to build GCE images (samkottler, 17:48:18) * open floor (samkottler, 17:54:21) * hguemar looking to package gcutil (number80, 17:54:34) Meeting ended at 18:01:08 UTC. Action Items ------------ * frankieonuonga to bump his initial mail about roles + responsibilities * samkottler to do more research into the actual tools and their licenses that are required to build GCE images Action Items, by person ----------------------- * frankieonuonga * frankieonuonga to bump his initial mail about roles + responsibilities * samkottler * samkottler to do more research into the actual tools and their licenses that are required to build GCE images * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * samkottler (87) * frankieonuonga (73) * number80 (35) * dgilmore (32) * rbergeron (27) * stahnma (20) * nirik (5) * zodbot (5) * geppetto (5) * sgallagh (3) * mattdm (3)

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EMEA ambassadors meeting minutes 2013-11-06
by Jiri Eischmann 06 Nov '13

06 Nov '13

Hi, we had another EMEA ambassadors meeting tonight. Although the meeting started 30 minutes late because I was travelling and arrived late 14 ambassadors attended and 56 minutes. If you'd like to know more, read the minutes: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-11-06/emea_ambassadors… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-11-06/emea_ambassadors… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-11-06/emea_ambassadors… The next meeting will be on Nov 20th. I'll be travelling and won't be able to attend it. Someone else will chair it. Most likely Affix. Jiri

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Fedora ARM Status Meeting Minutes 2013-11-06
by Paul Whalen 06 Nov '13

06 Nov '13

Thanks to those that were able to join us for the status meeting today, for those unable the minutes are posted below: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-06/fedora-meeting… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-06/fedora-meeting… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-06/fedora-meeting… #fedora-meeting-1: Fedora ARM status meeting ============================================ Meeting summary --------------- * 1) Kernel Status Update (pwhalen, 21:03:57) * LINK: Latest QE results http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/Quality_Assurance/Kernel_Te… (bconoboy, 21:13:58) * F20 beta supports versatile xpress, panda board, trimslice, highbank, midway, beagle xm (no network), beaglebone black, wandboard (bconoboy, 21:14:45) * graphics work on vexpress, trimslice (bconoboy, 21:15:25) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/Supported_Platforms for more platform limitations (bconoboy, 21:16:37) * Wandboard graphics may arrive in 3.12 (bconoboy, 21:18:48) * 2a) Aarch64 - Status Update (pwhalen, 21:19:16) * ACTION: pbrobinson / dgilmore / blc / masta to collude on aarch64 koji planning (bconoboy, 21:33:02) * 3) F20 Beta RC4 Testing Summary (pwhalen, 21:34:25) * LINK: Installation: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test (pwhalen, 21:34:33) * LINK: Base: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Base_Test (pwhalen, 21:34:38) * LINK: Desktop: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test (pwhalen, 21:34:43) * Install validation complete (pwhalen, 21:35:00) * Base validation complete (pwhalen, 21:35:00) * Need help testing Desktops - Pick your favourite (pwhalen, 21:35:00) * ACTION: masta will test xfce and mate images (bconoboy, 21:36:57) * 4) Open Floor (pwhalen, 21:40:28) * LINK: http://scotland.proximity.on.ca/raspberrypi/test-releases/pidora-19/ (agreene, 21:44:59) * ACTION: agreene to send email to the list with pidora-19-alpha pointer shortly (bconoboy, 21:44:59) * AGREED: happy birthday masta (bconoboy, 21:46:50) Meeting ended at 21:49:31 UTC. Action Items ------------ * pbrobinson / dgilmore / blc / masta to collude on aarch64 koji planning * masta will test xfce and mate images * agreene to send email to the list with pidora-19-alpha pointer shortly Action Items, by person ----------------------- * agreene * agreene to send email to the list with pidora-19-alpha pointer shortly * dgilmore * pbrobinson / dgilmore / blc / masta to collude on aarch64 koji planning * masta * pbrobinson / dgilmore / blc / masta to collude on aarch64 koji planning * masta will test xfce and mate images * pbrobinson * pbrobinson / dgilmore / blc / masta to collude on aarch64 koji planning * **UNASSIGNED** * (none)

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Meeting Summary / November 5, 2013
by Máirín Duffy 06 Nov '13

06 Nov '13

Hi folks! Below find a summary of yesterday's meeting. You can also read it in blog format at http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2013/11/05/fedora-server-working-group-nov-5-meet… . Below the summary, you'll find the meetbot links if you'd like to read the raw logs. Meeting Minutes =============== Here’s a run-down of today’s Server Working Group meeting: Agenda ====== * Finalizing the Governance Charter * Is Fedora Server One Product? Finalizing the Governance Charter ================================= We had a discussion about two pending issues with the governance charter and another issue regarding the use of the word 'quorum' in the document before ultimately approving it. Group Membership ---------------- Should the voting members of the server working group should be required to be members of other Fedora teams as specified by their seat/slot? We came to agreement after this discussion that it made sense to drop the group mappings for now, but to also be sure that we added a note to the membership section that we encourage involvement from all parts of Fedora. Term Length for Voting Members ------------------------------ Should membership as a voting member on the server working group be unlimited / at will or should there be terms and elections/votes inbetween? We agreed on a proposal that Nirik put forward that we would have indefinite terms with periodic (every 6 months) confirmations and that we would also revisit that decision in 6 months' time since we don't yet know "a) how long we exist, b) how many non voting active people there are in 6 months, c) if we need more fresh voting members or if as Viking-Ice notes the active people in the community would be enough for that.” Quorum ------ mitr pointed out that the charter said we must have a quorum of 5 people to vote, which means the majority of 5 people (which is 3) positive votes would be required to agree to something in a vote. The intention behind the statement was to require 5 positive votes, regardless of how many people were present at the meeting, so the verbiage was updated to reflect that and all agreed to it. Governance Charter is Finalized by Server WG -------------------------------------------- sgallagh will bring it to FESCo for review and approval. Is Fedora Server One Product? ============================= We didn't finish this discussion, so it will probably have to be brought back up next week. This was a very active and interwoven discussion, so here is my best attempt at summarizing it; I hope it's a fair summary: Terminology Trouble ------------------- We seem to have a lot of confusion about the term 'product' vs the term 'role' - if you eliminate both those terms and replace them with 'thingy' then we seem to agree on a lot more things than it appears on the surface. I don't think we came up with viable terminology that made sense to everybody, though. Shared Components ----------------- We all agree - whether the term 'product' or the term 'role' was used - that they will share kernel, booting, basic libraries, and choice of configuration/management/etc. Preferred/Featured Technology Choices ------------------------------------- It was proposed that we would make technology cohices about what is the single supported way to do something (e.g., postfix for mailservers) but users will not be precluding from installing alternatives (e.g., qmail for mailservers), they will just get less support for it. There was concern about the usage of the term 'support' and the term 'featured' was suggested, and I didn't see any other discussion about this. Multiple Roles Per Single Server -------------------------------- There was some disagreement about whether or not multiple roles/products could be installed on the same server and whether or not something like this was possible. I don't see much resolution to the conflict though, I think the discussion died off for lack of time to resolve it. Getting A PRD Started --------------------- There was a disagreement about whether or not we needed one PRD with all of the various roles/products in it, or whether we needed one PRD per role/product. Both sgallagh and nirik proposed that we put together a PRD with separate chapters with the option to split it up into different documents later if necessary. There was some discussion about what parts of a role/product PRD would be in the upstream's scope and what would be in our scope (modification and integration to meet our goals would be in our scope.) Then there was discussion over what a PRD is for. I think the conclusion there was that it was to describe 'a common base platform with feature application stacks built on top of it' to FESCo in order to get their approval. Meetbot Minutes --------------- Here is the official meetbot meeting minutes with links to the full raw log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-05/fedora-meeting… Full set of meetbot links: Meeting ended Tue Nov 5 18:03:12 2013 UTC. Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-05/fedora-meeting… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-05/fedora-meeting… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-05/fedora-meeting…

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Server WG meeting minutes 11-05-2013
by Truong Anh Tuan 06 Nov '13

06 Nov '13

Hi everyone, I think it's worth to send the meeting minutes to the list, especially for people who missed it. Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-05/fedora-meeting… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-05/fedora-meeting… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-05/fedora-meeting… ====================================================== #fedora-meeting-1: Server Working Group Weekly Meeting ====================================================== Meeting started by mizmo at 16:02:30 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-05/fedora-meeting… . Meeting summary --------------- * roll call (mizmo, 16:02:39) * agenda (mizmo, 16:05:11) * LINK: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/server/2013-November/000425.html (mizmo, 16:05:38) * Finalizing the Governance Charter (mizmo, 16:06:58) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server/Governance_Charter (mizmo, 16:07:13) * AGREED: In the governance charter, we will drop group mappings, with a note saying we'd love involvement from any parts of the project. (mizmo, 16:23:41) * Finalizing the Governance Charter: Term Limits (mizmo, 16:23:58) * AGREED: We'll add a section to the governance charter setting 6-month membership confirmation periods, but we will also revisit that decision in 6 months time based on the community activity, how long we intend to exist, etc. (mizmo, 16:51:49) * AGREED: 'Quorum' for our purposes is at least 5 '+1' votes, and is not proportional to the number of members attending the meeting where the vote takes place. (mizmo, 16:56:31) * AGREED: (revision) The number of votes required to pass a vote is at least 5 '+1' votes, and is not proportional to the number of members attending the meeting where the vote takes place. (mizmo, 16:58:10) * ACTION: mizmo to take agreed points and edit the governance charter (mizmo, 17:00:08) * AGREED: We'll stay and work through more items on the agenda (mizmo, 17:02:39) * Is Fedora Server One Product? (mizmo, 17:03:04) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server/Product_Requirements_Document (mizmo, 17:09:18) * ACTION: mizmo to set up short term / long term goals document on wiki (mizmo, 17:45:40) * AGREED: Fedora Sevrer is a common base platform with 'featured application stacks' built on top of it. We commit to produce, test and distribute these application stacks. (mizmo, 17:45:51) * AGREED: Our primary deliverable for January should be the definition of how we're going to prepare the platform and the requirements for an application stack to be promoted to first-tier inclusion. (mizmo, 18:00:40) * AGREED: (revised) Our primary deliverable for January should be the definition of how we're going to prepare the platform and the requirements for an application stack to be promoted to featured status. (mizmo, 18:02:02) Meeting ended at 18:03:12 UTC. Action Items ------------ * mizmo to take agreed points and edit the governance charter * mizmo to set up short term / long term goals document on wiki Action Items, by person ----------------------- * mizmo * mizmo to take agreed points and edit the governance charter * mizmo to set up short term / long term goals document on wiki * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * mizmo (190) * Viking-Ice (156) * nirik (112) * sgallagh (63) * mitr (59) * tuanta (23) * Evolution (7) * zodbot (6) * kde_tony (4) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot Kind regards, Tuan

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FAmNA meeting minutes
by Jon 05 Nov '13

05 Nov '13

====================== #fedora-meeting: FAmNA ====================== Meeting started by masta at 02:00:04 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-11-06/famna.2013-11-06… . Meeting summary --------------- * === FAmNA Roll Call === (masta, 02:00:04) * === Announcements === (masta, 02:03:20) * === Tickets === (masta, 02:05:54) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 (masta, 02:05:54) * == Open Floor === (masta, 02:09:04) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora.next (sgallagh, 02:16:08) * Server WG would like Ambassadors to talk to the community about Fedora.Next (masta, 02:22:35) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora.next (masta, 02:22:43) * get ideas about what the community thinks about the new changes, and have constructive talk to bring back to the WG's (masta, 02:23:20) Meeting ended at 02:40:43 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * masta (48) * sgallagh (28) * kk4ewt (10) * zodbot (6) * ParadoxGuitarist (5) * dramsey (4) * Award3535 (2) * inode0 (2) Thanks -Jon Disnard irc: masta fas: parasense

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