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2013-03-18 - Fedora QA Meeting - recap
by Adam Williamson 22 Mar '13

22 Mar '13

As always, minutes and IRC transcript available on the wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20130318 Next meeting is scheduled for 2013-03-25 at 1500 UTC in #fedora-meeting. If you have topics you think we should bring up at the meeting, please add them to the Wiki page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20130325 . Thanks! TOPIC: Previous meeting follow-up ======================================================================= * jreznik to ink in the proposed image schedule, and add a Test Day entry - this was done: QA[1], release engineering[2] TOPIC: Fedora 19 Alpha status ======================================================================= * We discussed the current state of F19 test images: potential issues in image compose, dracut, selinux and gnome-initial-setup, adamw and anaconda team investigating * We noted that both TC1 and GNOME Test Day images were required soon TOPIC: Criteria re-design ======================================================================= * There was general agreement to give adamw's revised Alpha[3] and Beta[4] criteria a try for F19 TOPIC: Test Days ======================================================================= * We agreed to look at a fallback plan of building GNOME 3.8 images on Fedora 18 if workable Fedora 19 images were not possible for the GNOME Test Day TOPIC: Open floor ======================================================================= * tflink would be AFK at Pycon much of the week ACTION ITEMS ======================================================================= * adamw to work with developers on getting F19 images to bootable state * adamw to work out a fallback plan with desktop team if we cannot get working images by Wednesday 1. http://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-19/f-19-quality-tasks.html 2. http://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-19/f-19-releng-tasks.html 3. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2013-March/114198.html 4. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2013-March/114305.html -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net

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Fedora Chinese Meeting Minutes (2013-03-22)
by Alick Zhao 22 Mar '13

22 Mar '13

Hi all, The IRC meeting minutes tonight are available at the link [1]. Thanks everyone for attending the meeting. In the meeting we mainly talked about tomorrow's offline gather up in Beijing, FUDCon APAC 2014 bid. We also voted the beginning time of IRC meetings from now on and decided to move it to 21:00(UTC+8). The next IRC meeting will be held on next Friday (2013-03-29). Please come and join the discussion if you can! Note the change of the beginning time! 1. http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2013-03-22/fedora-zh.2013-03-22-… ================== #fedora-zh Meeting ================== Meeting started by alick at 12:00:31 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2013-03-22/fedora-zh.2013-03-22-… . Meeting summary --------------- * 点名 (alick, 12:01:22) * FUDCON APAC 2014 举办申请 (alick, 12:08:30) * IDEA: 大家对各个申办地的观点都是很客观的，但每个城市都有不同的优缺点，所以找不出完美的选择 (endle, 12:25:15) * IDEA: 我建议先总结下影响申办的主要因素 (zsun, 12:25:27) * IDEA: 不妨有共识的人组成一个小组（比如北京组，上海组），然后总结一个自己支持的城市书面的评价。在此基础上再进行下一步的讨论 (endle, 12:26:57) * IDEA: 我们应该想应该哪里举办，而不是哪里不应该举办。 (alick, 12:28:24) * IDEA: 对申办城市选择意见相同的人自发组成小组 (endle, 12:31:38) * 三月线下活动（BJGUG 社区联合活动） (alick, 12:32:51) * 北京GNOME用户组三月活动之开源社区大联盟 (alick, 12:33:37) * LINK: http://www.bjgug.org/node/692 (alick, 12:34:14) * 时间： 2013年3月23日周六 14:00~17:00 (alick, 12:34:26) * 地点：北京图灵文化发展有限公司，北京市朝阳区北苑路13号院1号楼领地 OFFICE C座603室 (alick, 12:34:35) * 地图：http://lisp.org.cn/wiki/_media/lisp/event/tuling- address.jpg?cache= (alick, 12:34:52) * gbraad 可能也去呀 (alick, 12:37:23) * 日程：14:45-15:30 Fedora社区 (alick, 12:39:05) * 关于 IRC 会议起始时间的投票 (alick, 12:41:07) * IDEA: 把时间推迟半小时， 8:30-9:30能不能好一点？ (endle, 12:45:56) * 投票今后的IRC会议起始时间点：1)20:00 2)20:30 3)21:00 (alick, 12:54:03) * 投票结果：1) 0 票 2) 3 票 3) 5 票 (alick, 13:12:01) * 今后的IRC会议起始时间点定为 21:00 (alick, 13:13:17) * ACTION: alick to notify the change in ML (alick, 13:13:48) Meeting ended at 13:16:31 UTC. Action Items ------------ * alick to notify the change in ML Action Items, by person ----------------------- * alick * alick to notify the change in ML * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * alick (124) * endle (34) * zsun (33) * microcai (15) * zodbot (13) * liangsuilong (6) * Robin_cheese_Lee (6) * diseng (6) * endle___ (6) * BadGirl (3) * kaio (3) * fracting (2) * gfrog (1) * kingheaven (1) * CyrusYzGTt (0) * cswiii (0) * gbraad (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- Alick Fedora 18 (Spherical Cow) user https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick

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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2013-03-21)
by Kevin Fenzi 21 Mar '13

21 Mar '13

============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2013-03-21) ============================================ Meeting started by nirik at 19:00:01 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-21/fedora_marketing… . Meeting summary --------------- * welcome y'all (nirik, 19:00:01) * New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. (nirik, 19:02:12) * Applications status / discussion (nirik, 19:07:52) * LINK: https://github.com/fedora-infra/rube (relrod, 19:08:42) * selenium test suite for stg hosts: https://github.com/fedora-infra/rube (nirik, 19:10:12) * blockbugs moving into staging (nirik, 19:10:19) * new fedora-tagger v2.0 work starting. (nirik, 19:10:29) * Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 19:21:08) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure_FedoraHosted_Version2_Notes (skvidal, 19:24:28) * Private Cloud status update / discussion (nirik, 19:39:41) * Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 19:40:13) * 2013-03-19 to 2013-03-26 - koji update (nirik, 19:40:25) * 2013-03-29 - spring holiday. (nirik, 19:40:25) * 2013-04-02 to 2013-04-16 ALPHA infrastructure freeze (nirik, 19:40:25) * 2013-04-15 - remove legacy-openid (nirik, 19:40:25) * 2013-04-16 F19 alpha release (nirik, 19:40:26) * 2013-05-07 to 2013-05-21 BETA infrastructure freeze (nirik, 19:40:27) * 2013-05-21 F19 beta release (nirik, 19:40:28) * 2013-05-31 end of 1st quarter (nirik, 19:40:30) * 2013-06-11 to 2013-06-25 FINAL infrastructure freeze. (nirik, 19:40:32) * 2013-06-25 F19 FINAL release (nirik, 19:40:33) * Open Floor (nirik, 19:41:12) Meeting ended at 19:52:23 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (124) * skvidal (76) * pingou (46) * biker (30) * zodbot (8) * relrod (8) * suehle (6) * jerzyr (6) * puiterwijk (3) * maayke (1) * smooge (1) * abadger1999 (0) * lmacken (0) * threebean (0) * ricky (0) * mdomsch (0) * dgilmore (0) * CodeBlock (0) -- 19:00:01 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2013-03-21) 19:00:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Mar 21 19:00:01 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:01 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 19:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 19:00:01 <nirik> #topic welcome y'all 19:00:01 <nirik> #chair smooge skvidal CodeBlock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean 19:00:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: CodeBlock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky skvidal smooge threebean 19:00:09 * skvidal is here 19:00:11 * relrod here 19:00:21 * maayke is here 19:00:25 * puiterwijk is around-ish (just don't expect too intelligent answers from me ;) ) 19:00:58 <smooge> sort of here 19:01:17 * nirik will another min for folks to wander in... 19:01:29 * pingou here 19:02:12 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. 19:02:28 <nirik> any new folks want to introduce themselves? or have questions? 19:02:40 * skvidal notes the infra team appears to be full of sick people 19:02:44 * skvidal moves away from all of them 19:02:51 <nirik> :) 19:03:04 <jerzyr> yes :) 19:03:39 <pingou> skvidal: sick ? 19:03:47 <nirik> hey jerzyr. Welcome. Care to send us a one line intro? 19:03:48 <skvidal> pingou: smooge and puiterwijk 19:03:55 <skvidal> pingou: both under the weather 19:03:58 <nirik> are you interested in sysadmin or application development? 19:03:58 <jerzyr> short bio: for 10 years, I teach students algorithms and data structures 19:04:10 <pingou> oh 19:04:16 <jerzyr> sorry :) 19:04:32 <skvidal> jerzyr: you're fine! 19:04:38 <jerzyr> ;) 19:04:46 <skvidal> jerzyr: so you were a teacher for 10yrs - now what do you do? 19:05:19 <jerzyr> I'm looking for practice as a consultant to developers 19:05:56 <zodbot> suehle: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. 19:05:59 <suehle> #meetingname Fedora Marketing 19:05:59 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_marketing' 19:06:00 <suehle> doh 19:06:04 <skvidal> suehle: no 19:06:06 <nirik> suehle: oops. 19:06:06 <skvidal> :) 19:06:11 <skvidal> suehle: are we overlapping? 19:06:20 <nirik> suehle: we didn't switch for DST, but you folks did? 19:06:22 <suehle> Yeah, but I doubt there's a swarm waiting. 19:06:28 <suehle> nirik, ooooh 19:06:46 <suehle> Well, if there's anyone here who actually wants to talk to me about marketing, I'll move over to #fedora-meeting-1 19:06:53 <skvidal> suehle: thank you 19:06:55 <suehle> nirik, it's entirely possible that didn't even occur to me :) 19:07:03 <nirik> jerzyr: welcome again. I can point you at sysadmin stuff after the meeting over in #fedora-admin... most of our app developer types are at pycon this week, but they hang out in #fedora-apps. 19:07:18 <nirik> suehle: yeah, we can move next week if you want us too... whatever works. ;) 19:07:52 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 19:07:59 <nirik> any app/devel news this week? 19:08:08 <nirik> (again, many folks are at pycon...) 19:08:40 <relrod> threebean started working on a selenium test suite for our staging infra, it's pretty neat 19:08:42 <relrod> https://github.com/fedora-infra/rube 19:08:43 <nirik> I've been working a bit on getting blockerbugs app moved into staging. 19:09:07 <nirik> but it needs db setup, and proxy setup and I've not had time to poke at it much 19:09:24 <pingou> I've pushed to github a new branch for fedora-tagger, basically the basis for fedora-tagger v2.0 19:09:51 <nirik> cool. 19:09:57 <pingou> it comes with its own API (that's what is there atm), handles tagging and rating, change a little bit the db scheme 19:10:12 <nirik> #info selenium test suite for stg hosts: https://github.com/fedora-infra/rube 19:10:15 <pingou> threebean wants to port the UI to it soonish 19:10:19 <nirik> #info blockbugs moving into staging 19:10:29 <nirik> #info new fedora-tagger v2.0 work starting. 19:10:39 <nirik> cool. 19:10:40 <pingou> and the idea would be to integrate this with the gnome-app store that rhughsie is working on 19:10:56 <nirik> ok. 19:11:05 * nirik keeps meaning to read up on that, but hasn't yet 19:11:05 <pingou> otherwise, more copr, more pkgdb2, a surprise for next week and fedocal is in stg :) 19:11:18 <skvidal> pingou: wait 19:11:20 <skvidal> hold on 19:11:22 <skvidal> a surprise? 19:11:25 <pingou> yes :) 19:11:29 * skvidal dislikes surprises 19:11:50 <pingou> it's kinda ready for a 1.0 but I'm waiting for threebean to be there to reveal it :) 19:11:55 <nirik> a good surprise I hope. ;) 19:12:03 <pingou> I don't think you will dislike it :) 19:12:22 <pingou> (well, I certainly hope so at least!) 19:12:23 <relrod> that's what they always say. ;) 19:12:37 <skvidal> yes... 19:12:39 <skvidal> I see 19:12:40 <pingou> suspens... :) 19:13:04 <skvidal> okay moving along 19:13:06 <nirik> relrod: random memory... what happened to that php auth thing we were going to try and use for wiki and gallery? did we just decide to look at moving to openid ? 19:13:24 * nirik feels bad we haven't gotten anything moving with gallery. 19:13:46 <skvidal> what is gallery _for_ again? 19:13:55 <relrod> nirik: Well I haven't done much with it recently (I might move it to the fedora-infra org and pick back up on it again) - but if we want to look at doing openid for Gallery instead, that's fine too 19:13:59 <nirik> pics at events. 19:14:04 <nirik> suehle and spot wanted it. 19:14:06 <skvidal> nirik: ah 19:14:26 <nirik> If we can, that might move us forward quicker and also just be nicer. 19:14:48 * nirik doesn't know the state of openid for wiki / gallery, but we can look. 19:15:09 <nirik> ok, any other application/devel news? 19:15:13 <relrod> nirik: There's no maintained/decent openid thing for Gallery, afaik - we can probably dep on another openid php library and write whatever it needs to link that library to gallery. 19:15:22 <nirik> ok. 19:15:31 <nirik> hopefully that wouldn't be _too_ much work 19:15:37 <relrod> indeed 19:15:39 <biker> what about using Persona? 19:15:51 <relrod> hah, that was just mentioned in -noc a few hours ago 19:15:56 <pingou> biker: w/ fas account ? 19:16:04 <biker> pingou, .fas rugebiker 19:16:06 <nirik> biker: we are looking into it... 19:16:21 <biker> .fas rugebiker 19:16:22 <nirik> biker: puiterwijk thinks it might be not too hard to add it... 19:16:23 <zodbot> biker: rugebiker 'Ruben Guerra Marin' <rguerra.marin(a)gmail.com> 19:16:45 <pingou> I don't follow ther 19:16:47 <pingou> +E 19:16:59 <nirik> pingou: mozilla is pushing a web auth thing called 'persona' 19:17:10 <nirik> we may be able to add support for it to our fas-openid... 19:17:21 <biker> pingou, https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/persona/ 19:17:23 <puiterwijk> nirik: fedora-idprovider ;) 19:17:39 <nirik> sorry, another similar service anyhow. ;) 19:17:43 <pingou> I know what is personna, but then it's no longer linked to FAS, no? 19:17:50 <puiterwijk> actually the same, but renamed :) 19:17:51 <biker> for what i have read, persona is going more serious than openid 19:18:22 <skvidal> 'more serious'? 19:18:24 <pingou> or do we want to run our own persona server and link it to FAS ? 19:18:25 * nirik shrugs. I don't know if it will take off, but if we can easily provide support for it, it might be handy for those sites that add support for it. 19:18:28 * skvidal has no idea what that means in this context 19:18:45 <nirik> pingou: yes, a provider, like our fas-openid provides openid based on fas 19:18:53 <pingou> ok 19:19:00 <pingou> now I get it :) 19:19:06 <biker> oo,., i dont know if we can make like our own persona server 19:19:07 <skvidal> lwn had an article on it today 19:19:07 <nirik> "publisher" I guess they call it 19:19:21 <skvidal> biker: that's the whole point 19:19:33 * nirik nods. 19:19:36 <pingou> +1 19:19:48 <skvidal> so we can use apps using persona for auth 19:19:59 <skvidal> it's why we have an openid provider 19:20:01 <nirik> so, the entire idea is that we provide a personal publisher, so you can login to any persona enabled site by using your @fedoraproject.org address. 19:20:04 <pingou> like hypertitty :) 19:20:24 <biker> sweet (: 19:20:27 <nirik> pingou: yep. 19:20:31 <pingou> your @fedoraproject.org address and your FAS password 19:20:38 <nirik> right. 19:20:53 <skvidal> pingou: s/ti/ki/ 19:21:02 <pingou> skvidal: indeed 19:21:02 <nirik> ok, shall we move on to exciting sysadmin news ? 19:21:08 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion 19:21:09 <skvidal> oh yes, lets 19:21:20 <nirik> so, the fun has been fedorahosted.org this week. 19:21:29 <skvidal> 'the fun' 19:21:47 <skvidal> I 'think' I will 'talk' in 'quotes' for the rest of the 'meeting' 19:21:48 <nirik> basically it's been having load issues and isn't happy. 19:21:53 <nirik> 'yes' 19:22:07 * nirik hears skvidal talking like william shatner. 19:22:09 <pingou> skvidal: just """ now and close them at the end ;) 19:22:21 <nirik> anyhow, we have done some things to get the load back down to usable. 19:22:22 <skvidal> but I need ironic emphasis 19:22:31 <nirik> it's not great, but it should be usable right now. 19:22:40 <skvidal> nirik: it'sa darn-sight better than it was 19:22:48 <skvidal> so here's what we did 19:22:58 <skvidal> we look in gluster volume top hosted read|write|etc 19:23:00 <nirik> we are syncing all the data off it, then are going to have an outage in the next few days to move it to using ext4 directly without gluster. 19:23:17 <skvidal> oh sure - if you want to say it all quickly :) 19:23:24 <pingou> splitting ? 19:23:47 <skvidal> pingou: ? 19:23:48 <skvidal> what do you mean? 19:24:13 <pingou> do we take advantage of this and start splitting some of the project to another instance? 19:24:22 <nirik> pingou: yeah, thats the next part. 19:24:25 <skvidal> so that brings up the PLANS 19:24:28 <skvidal> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure_FedoraHosted_Version2_Notes 19:25:04 <nirik> ideally the idea is that we get things seutp so we can split things by project. 19:25:15 <nirik> and have project1 and project2 on different machines, or the same... 19:25:28 <nirik> it's going to take some work to get there, but I think it's a good thing to do. 19:25:52 <skvidal> nirik: what about your other suggestion? 19:26:16 <nirik> Not sure. My other suggestion was more short term: just make a massive single instance and move everything to it. 19:26:24 <nirik> that doesn't help us scale at all 19:26:34 <nirik> but it would be simple, no changes... 19:26:48 <nirik> also, it would mean a spof for hosted. 19:26:56 <nirik> (which to be fair we currently have now too) 19:27:37 <nirik> I guess I'd like to try and finish the short term stuff and look at the list and then decide next week or so what we want to do 19:28:22 <nirik> thoughts? rants? 19:28:39 <skvidal> nirik: so I have a fear 19:28:46 <skvidal> on both things 19:29:08 <pingou> thought and rant ? 19:29:10 <skvidal> 1. if we don't move something around and stabilize it that next week we will have a NEW fire and all-hands on that 19:29:33 <nirik> well, I am hoping moving to the raw storage will help it a lot... 19:29:40 <skvidal> 2. that we're not changing things ENOUGH 19:29:41 <nirik> but I could be wrong. 19:29:42 <skvidal> in the v2 19:29:59 <pingou> skvidal: are you thinking cloud? 19:30:04 <nirik> yeah, that could be true. 19:30:09 <skvidal> pingou: no 19:30:14 <skvidal> pingou: I was actually thinking gitolite 19:30:18 <skvidal> or something like it 19:30:28 <skvidal> right now for commits we have local shell accounts 19:30:33 <skvidal> and normal unix groups 19:30:42 <skvidal> and that doesn't scale very well.. 19:30:45 <pingou> oh, I thought we were using gitolite 19:30:46 <nirik> One thing is that we have been approaching it I think (or at least I have) more from a 'this is what we have, how do we safely migrate this to split it out' instead of 'hey, how would I setup to host 100 git projects with trac' 19:31:16 <skvidal> but nirik made a good a point that we're not seeing a lot of new projects being added at hosted in the recent past 19:31:22 <nirik> yeah, our ssh wrapper is... arcane. 19:31:34 <nirik> gitolite would be much much much better 19:31:46 <skvidal> nirik: so... that's fair - my argument was that if we break things out to project.fh.o - that we can try new things on new projects 19:31:49 <skvidal> nirik: or on test projects 19:31:54 <skvidal> w/o ripping up a lot of the infra 19:32:14 <skvidal> so our ssh wrapper exists afaict 19:32:18 <skvidal> b/c we support non-git repos 19:32:25 <skvidal> svn, bzr, hg 19:32:27 <nirik> right. and to be fair we wanted to do this for a long time, but we got it working 'good enough' that we put it lower pri, and... never got to it. ;) 19:32:46 <nirik> also true... 19:33:04 <pingou> as a side note, we convinced our only bzr user to move away from bzr at the last FUDCon :) 19:33:13 <skvidal> pingou: there are still remaining projects 19:33:22 <skvidal> pingou: notably only to move him to github :) 19:33:41 <pingou> skvidal: yes, still not sure how I feel about that part :s 19:33:51 <skvidal> anyway - that's immaterial 19:33:57 <skvidal> we have a number of svn and hg repos, too 19:34:01 <skvidal> some of them active 19:34:09 <nirik> so, I dunno... I guess I'd like more time to ponder on it... there doesn't seem to be a clear winner in my mind. 19:34:11 <skvidal> though, to be fair, the hg repo looks like a project graveyard 19:34:20 <skvidal> nirik: what do you mean clear-winner? 19:34:26 <skvidal> nirik: winner in which discussion? 19:35:07 <skvidal> nirik: so - we do have the scm-named CNAMES - so we can always walk away from the ssh-wrapper that way 19:35:17 <nirik> well, between: just do enough to split projects but otherwise keep setup, or just make a bigger one and leave things exactly the same, or put more work in it and do gitolite, etc. 19:35:44 <skvidal> nirik: and to be fair - that may be the simplest way to break these up git.fedorahosted.org (one big instance) and others.fedorahosted.org (other instance -not-so-big) 19:35:55 <nirik> yeah, thats an option too. 19:36:16 <skvidal> nirik: so I really do think that if we don't change things NOW we'll get it 'working' and we will never have the time to go back to it 19:36:18 <skvidal> EVER 19:36:23 <nirik> then we could be more flexable on the git one. 19:36:23 <skvidal> it's not like we have any spare hours 19:36:31 <nirik> yep. That is very true. 19:36:49 <nirik> on the other hand, we do have lots of things to work on, so how much work on this is important... 19:36:49 <skvidal> and we still need to COMPLETE the clouds 19:36:58 <skvidal> nirik: agreed 19:36:58 <nirik> yeah 19:37:23 <skvidal> nirik: if you want to get this moving and re-approach it later that's fine 19:37:30 <skvidal> nirik: but make the call one way or the other 19:38:02 <nirik> sure. I'd just like to ponder on it possibly over weekend... been fighting the fire enough to not have had time to think about the big picture 19:38:19 <skvidal> fair enough 19:38:43 <nirik> and hopefully it will be stable enough to do that. ;) 19:39:20 <nirik> ok, any other sysadminy news? 19:39:41 <nirik> #topic Private Cloud status update / discussion 19:39:52 <nirik> I think we have done nothing really cloud wise this week. ;) 19:39:59 <nirik> see above hosted doom. 19:40:13 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 19:40:25 <nirik> #info 2013-03-19 to 2013-03-26 - koji update 19:40:25 <nirik> #info 2013-03-29 - spring holiday. 19:40:25 <nirik> #info 2013-04-02 to 2013-04-16 ALPHA infrastructure freeze 19:40:25 <nirik> #info 2013-04-15 - remove legacy-openid 19:40:26 <nirik> #info 2013-04-16 F19 alpha release 19:40:27 <nirik> #info 2013-05-07 to 2013-05-21 BETA infrastructure freeze 19:40:28 <nirik> #info 2013-05-21 F19 beta release 19:40:30 <nirik> #info 2013-05-31 end of 1st quarter 19:40:32 <nirik> #info 2013-06-11 to 2013-06-25 FINAL infrastructure freeze. 19:40:33 <nirik> #info 2013-06-25 F19 FINAL release 19:40:36 <nirik> anything anyone wants to schedule or note? 19:41:01 <biker> i wanna say something on the open floor (if there is one) :P 19:41:07 <nirik> yep... coming up. ;) 19:41:12 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 19:41:16 <nirik> go ahead. ;) 19:41:17 <pingou> 2013-06-30 pingou's end of work 19:41:20 <biker> hehe thanks :P 19:41:33 <nirik> pingou: ? 19:41:39 <biker> well ive been a fedora ambassador since last year,., but im also a student,., and i would like to participate on the google summer of code 19:41:55 <biker> and it would be great to help in the fedora infrastructure (: 19:42:01 <pingou> nirik: hopefully at that time I'll have my thesis submitted and I can start actually working 19:42:10 <nirik> pingou: ah ha. Cool. 19:42:17 <nirik> biker: ah. great. ;) 19:42:22 <pingou> biker: cool 19:42:33 <nirik> biker: there was talk on our list not long back about doing some kind of team mentoring... 19:42:34 <pingou> biker: any ideas on what you would like to do ? 19:42:45 <biker> so on the fedora wiki ideas,., there is this one: Implement a unit test framework for fedpkg and rpkg 19:43:21 <biker> that sound great (: but if someone has a better idea in that i could work,., .. (: 19:43:49 <pingou> unfortunately the contact disapeared for this subject apparently 19:44:08 <pingou> yeah, it was Jesse 19:44:17 <pingou> .whoowns fedpkg 19:44:17 <zodbot> pingou: ausil 19:44:42 <biker> damn hehe,., so any other projects or ideas you may have,., i can check them ( 19:44:42 <pingou> biker: you should contact ausil for this subject and see with him if he is still interested 19:44:43 <biker> (: 19:44:47 <nirik> yeah, dgilmore doesn't have time to mentor 19:45:06 <biker> pingou, okok thanks (: 19:45:09 <nirik> (at least I am pretty sure) 19:45:16 <nirik> anyhow, you could also ask on the list... 19:45:17 <biker> any other project that could be done? (: 19:45:24 <pingou> biker: what do you like ? 19:45:35 <pingou> I'm sure we can find a bunch of projects :D 19:46:28 <biker> pingou, i know python (and some django), C, QT, java, some php 19:46:59 <nirik> biker: you might ask over in #fedora-apps, (but probibly monday would be best) 19:47:03 <pingou> biker: and you like more web app dev, desktop application dev, CLI, library work ? 19:47:34 <biker> nirik, ,., thanks (: ill try then on monday. is there a meeting or monday or just more people? :P 19:47:46 <nirik> biker: many folks are gone to pycon this week. 19:47:51 <nirik> they should be back next week 19:47:57 <biker> nirik, o okok (: 19:48:06 <biker> pingou, humm well i dont like a lot web app dev :P 19:48:10 <nirik> hopefully we can find something interesting for you. ;) 19:48:12 <biker> but for the others i can try on (: 19:48:18 <biker> nirik, :D 19:48:37 <nirik> ok, anything else for open floor? 19:48:46 <biker> i havent done much coding for opensource, so i dont know if web app, or cli, or library :p 19:49:04 <pingou> fedocal in stg, testers welcome :) 19:49:12 <biker> im studying EE, so i also know a lot of microcontrollers, some hardware and stuff (: 19:49:20 <nirik> pingou: I've not had a chance to look at that redirect issue. ;( 19:49:37 <pingou> nirik: me neither :( 19:49:53 <pingou> nirik: but all the rest seems to work fine 19:49:55 <nirik> biker: we don't do too much direct hardware work. :) 19:50:23 <biker> nirik, yeah i know, but maybe i could try to do a driver or something (: though i still dont know how to make drivers :P 19:50:49 <nirik> biker: most of that work is done upstream in the kernel community... and we just use their hard work. 19:50:59 <biker> oo okok (: 19:51:29 <biker> so yeah,., ill ask next week on #fedora-apps,., 19:51:39 <nirik> great. :) Thanks for coming biker. 19:51:51 <biker> thanks to all (: 19:51:56 <biker> ill try to be here next meeting (: 19:51:57 <nirik> and welcome again jerzyr 19:52:03 <jerzyr> thx 19:52:07 <nirik> everyone welcome. :) 19:52:19 <nirik> lets continue over in #fedora-admin, #fedora-apps or #fedora-noc. ;) 19:52:23 <nirik> #endmeeting

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i18n meeting summary (2013-03-21)
by Akira TAGOH 21 Mar '13

21 Mar '13

===================== #fedora-meeting: i18n ===================== Meeting started by tagoh_ at 06:03:03 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-21/i18n.2013-03-21-… . Meeting summary --------------- * agenda and roll call (tagoh_, 06:03:04) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2013-03-21 (tagoh_, 06:03:04) * Upcoming schedule (tagoh_, 06:08:10) * 0213-03-21 [[Test_Day:2013-03-21_Gnome_3.8]] (tagoh_, 06:08:10) * 2013-04-02 Branch Freeze (tagoh_, 06:08:10) * 2013-04-02 Software String Freeze (tagoh_, 06:08:10) * 2013-04-02 Alpha Change Deadline (tagoh_, 06:08:11) * 2013-04-11 [[Test_Day:2013-04-11_Translation_(l10n)]] (tagoh_, 06:08:11) * 2013-04-16 Alpha Release (tagoh_, 06:08:13) * Outstanding topics (tagoh_, 06:11:07) * #16: Improving testcases/matrix for i18n test day (tagoh) (tagoh_, 06:11:08) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/16 (tagoh_, 06:11:08) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-05-02_Localization_(i18n) (tagoh_, 06:11:18) * ACTION: all to check/update respective test cases which you are responsible (tagoh_, 06:27:42) * AGREED: update test cases by April 24 (tagoh_, 06:30:58) * #18: F19 i18n docbeats (tagoh) (tagoh_, 06:32:01) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/18 (tagoh_, 06:32:02) * LINK: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/tw (tagoh_, 06:55:55) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=885833 (dan408, 06:56:38) * LINK: http://i.imgur.com/JdQemp6.png (dan408, 07:01:49) * LINK: http://www.irongeek.com/alt-numpad-ascii-key-combos-and-chart.html (dan408, 07:02:04) * LINK: http://www.sput.nl/software/console-utf.html (dan408, 07:04:10) * Outstanding task (tagoh_, 07:06:39) * #15: F19 Feature: libkkc (ueno) (tagoh_, 07:06:39) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/15 (tagoh_, 07:06:40) * Open Floor (tagoh_, 07:10:13) Meeting ended at 07:15:02 UTC. Action Items ------------ * all to check/update respective test cases which you are responsible Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * all to check/update respective test cases which you are responsible People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tagoh_ (85) * juhp (57) * dan408 (39) * mfabian (10) * pravins (10) * epico (7) * paragan (4) * zodbot (3) * dramsey (1) * fujiwarat (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Fedora ARM weekly status meeting minutes 2013-03-20
by Paul Whalen 20 Mar '13

20 Mar '13

Thanks to those who were able to join us for the weekly status meeting today. For those that were unable, the minutes are posted below: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-03-20/fedora-meeting… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-03-20/fedora-meeting… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-03-20/fedora-meeting… Paul =================================================== #fedora-meeting-1: Fedora ARM weekly status meeting =================================================== Meeting started by pwhalen at 20:00:23 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-03-20/fedora-meeting… . Meeting summary --------------- * 0) Status of ACTION items from our previous meeting (pwhalen, 20:02:07) * - COMPLETE - ahs3 to do another package scan this evening for aarch64 patching, send to the list for review (pwhalen, 20:02:36) * - INPROGRESS - pbrobinson/dgilmore to provide feedback on aarch64 patches (pwhalen, 20:03:28) * bug is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922257 Alias is ARM64 (pbrobinson, 20:09:55) * 1) Problem Packages (pwhalen, 20:10:19) * java still outstanding- devs say it will be done by end of week (bconoboy, 20:11:38) * py-pillow is fixed (bconoboy, 20:11:47) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922770 (pbrobinson, 20:12:21) * LINK: tog-python is broken, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922770 (bconoboy, 20:12:43) * Other misc broken packages: (bconoboy, 20:13:01) * LINK: javasqlite: http://arm.koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1584679 (bconoboy, 20:13:04) * LINK: pure: http://arm.koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1498064 (bconoboy, 20:13:05) * LINK: OpenImageIO: http://arm.koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1606987 (bconoboy, 20:13:05) * If you know Ruby please ping pbrobinson (bconoboy, 20:14:32) * ACTION: pbrobinson to post a list of leaf packages to arm(a)lists.fp.o (bconoboy, 20:15:50) * 2) Aarch64 patching (pwhalen, 20:16:18) * 3) Creating test candidate images for F19 (pwhalen, 20:17:43) * livemedia-creator in f19 is broken meaning we cannot use it to make f19 images (bconoboy, 20:19:10) * Using fedora 18's livemedia-creator to make f19 images results in problems due to the emerging unified kernel (bconoboy, 20:19:46) * F19 kernel will be unified except for tegra (bconoboy, 20:25:13) * IDEA: Let's just use a unified kernel for F19 (bconoboy, 20:29:47) * IDEA: Anything not in unified is treated as a remix (bconoboy, 20:30:00) * agree on unified only f19 kernel (jonmasters, 20:30:09) * Unified kernel will minimally support omap, highbank, mvebu, vexpress (a9), possibly vexpress a15 (bconoboy, 20:35:05) * AGREED: The spins-kickstarts repo will be used to generate official f19 images- get your changes in! (bconoboy, 20:41:54) * 4) Open Floor (pwhalen, 20:44:11) * 3.8.x has gone out to stable. The vexpress version needs F19's qemu to boot. Some highbank issues in 3.8. (bconoboy, 20:46:51) * ACTION: pwhalen and mlangsdorf are working on the highbank issues- every reason to expect a speedy recovery (bconoboy, 20:47:22) * ACTION: pbrobinson will update 3.9 kernel config over weekend and spin out a new test build (bconoboy, 20:52:15) * AGREED: pbrobinson is a man of action (bconoboy, 20:53:05) * goal for new 3.9 test build is to resolve usb driver conflicts between omap and mvebu (bconoboy, 20:53:56) Meeting ended at 20:55:02 UTC. Action Items ------------ * pbrobinson to post a list of leaf packages to arm(a)lists.fp.o * pwhalen and mlangsdorf are working on the highbank issues- every reason to expect a speedy recovery * pbrobinson will update 3.9 kernel config over weekend and spin out a new test build Action Items, by person ----------------------- * mlangsdorf * pwhalen and mlangsdorf are working on the highbank issues- every reason to expect a speedy recovery * pbrobinson * pbrobinson to post a list of leaf packages to arm(a)lists.fp.o * pbrobinson will update 3.9 kernel config over weekend and spin out a new test build * pwhalen * pwhalen and mlangsdorf are working on the highbank issues- every reason to expect a speedy recovery * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * bconoboy (91) * pbrobinson (79) * pwhalen (30) * dgilmore (25) * j_dulaney (24) * jonmasters (23) * masta (18) * zodbot (14) * dmarlin (13) * ctyler (6) * jsmith (5) * mlangsdorf (4) * jcapik (4) * nirik (2) * ahs3 (2) * fossjon (1)

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Summary/Minutes from Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-03-20)
by Kevin Fenzi 20 Mar '13

20 Mar '13

=================================== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2013-03-20) =================================== Meeting started by nirik at 18:00:01 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-20/fesco.2013-03-20… . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (nirik, 18:00:02) * #1095 Fedora 20 schedule proposal (nirik, 18:01:55) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1095 (nirik, 18:01:55) * AGREED: approve schedule aiming as 2013-11-12, with explicit dates listed as 'no earlier then', and start the announcement with "will be adjusted out based on changes submitted by deadline" (+6, -1, 0) (nirik, 18:08:50) * #1094 tomcat6 deprecation (fasttrack) (nirik, 18:09:25) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1094 (nirik, 18:09:26) * ACTION: nirik to close ticket out. (nirik, 18:10:27) * #1098 F19 Features - Progress on Feature Freeze (nirik, 18:10:34) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1098 (nirik, 18:10:34) * AGREED: drop ns-3 and kolab as features for F19. Suggest they target F20. (+6, 0) (nirik, 18:15:55) * rawhide inheritance (nirik, 18:16:38) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1005 (nirik, 18:16:46) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1099 (nirik, 18:16:48) * AGREED: proposal to Postpone inheritance cut-off to Alpha Freeze rejected (0,-6,0) (nirik, 18:24:06) * #1102 Release name issues (nirik, 18:24:14) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1102 (nirik, 18:24:15) * AGREED: leave name as is, fix issues as they arise (+6,0,0) (nirik, 18:31:36) * next weeks chair (nirik, 18:31:44) * ACTION: t8m to chair next week (nirik, 18:32:14) * Open Floor (nirik, 18:32:18) * LINK: http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/systemd.git/commit/?id=5457175a725720384… (Viking-Ice, 18:34:12) Meeting ended at 18:43:25 UTC. Action Items ------------ * nirik to close ticket out. * t8m to chair next week Action Items, by person ----------------------- * nirik * nirik to close ticket out. * t8m * t8m to chair next week * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (88) * jreznik (20) * mitr (19) * pjones (14) * notting (14) * abadger1999 (13) * Viking-Ice (12) * zodbot (10) * jwb (8) * adamw (4) * t8m (3) * drago01 (2) * mmaslano (0) * sgallagh (0) -- 18:00:01 <nirik> #startmeeting FESCO (2013-03-20) 18:00:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Mar 20 18:00:01 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:01 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:02 <nirik> #meetingname fesco 18:00:02 <nirik> #chair abadger1999 jwb mitr mmaslano notting nirik pjones t8m sgallagh 18:00:02 <nirik> #topic init process 18:00:02 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco' 18:00:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 jwb mitr mmaslano nirik notting pjones sgallagh t8m 18:00:09 <mitr> Hello all 18:00:20 * abadger1999 can pay attention every so often 18:00:27 <pjones> hello. 18:00:30 * notting is here 18:00:36 <jwb> hi 18:00:53 * jreznik lurks 18:01:22 <nirik> I think sgallagh and mmaslano are both out today. 18:01:47 <jreznik> nirik: yep, marcela is still out 18:01:47 <nirik> so, I guess lets go ahead and get started. 18:01:55 <nirik> #topic #1095 Fedora 20 schedule proposal 18:01:55 <nirik> .fesco 1095 18:01:55 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1095 18:02:03 <zodbot> nirik: #1095 (Fedora 20 schedule proposal) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1095 18:02:31 <nirik> so, did we come up with any brilliant plans on this since last meeting? 18:02:43 * jreznik thinks we are still stuck with not accepted proposal 18:03:08 <nirik> well, the issue is: do we make a schedule (even tenative) without knowing what will be in it. 18:03:10 <notting> nirik: only the ones to move our new unicode world from the release name to the release number. 18:03:41 * nirik proposes a feature for Fedora e^(i*pi) 18:04:11 <jreznik> nirik: chicken - egg - without saying how much time we will give to the teams... 18:04:25 <notting> nirik: nah. our release processes are already irrational, the number should be too 18:04:27 <mitr> nirik: Marcela is +1 in the ticket for a proposal that got +4 the last time... 18:04:34 * nirik looks 18:04:56 <nirik> mitr: that is a new proposal... 18:05:12 <jreznik> nirik: that's actually more "details provided" for the previous one 18:05:31 <nirik> oh I see... 18:05:32 <abadger1999> I'm worried that we'll slip into the holidays again with this schedule but I don't have a better idea if we want to do a regular full Fedora release. 18:05:38 <abadger1999> You can count me as a +1 18:05:40 <pjones> nirik: or maybe e^(i*pi)+1? 18:05:59 <nirik> pjones: I'd love to see what breaks with a fedora-0 ;) 18:06:28 <nirik> so, then I guess we pass that schedule... sorry pjones. You can tell us 'I told you so' now. 18:06:41 <pjones> abadger1999: the issue isn't so much worries about the dates themselves as worrying that by agreeing to them all now we're committing the same mistakes as we did for F18. 18:07:00 <nirik> so, that would be: 18:07:06 <nirik> approve schedule aiming as 2013-11-12, with explicit dates listed as 'no earlier then', and start the announcement with "will be adjusted out based on changes submitted by deadline" 18:07:11 <jreznik> or ubuntu-20 18:07:43 <jreznik> nirik: yep, I think it's a compromise similar to what we did with f19, just a little bit more clear 18:07:49 <nirik> assuming no one else wishes to change their votes? speak now. 18:08:03 <abadger1999> pjones: Well... yeah, I don't have an answer for that problem either. 18:08:36 <abadger1999> :-( 18:08:42 <notting> nirik: i can be +1 to that 18:08:50 <nirik> #agreed approve schedule aiming as 2013-11-12, with explicit dates listed as 'no earlier then', and start the announcement with "will be adjusted out based on changes submitted by deadline" (+6, -1, 0) 18:09:06 <nirik> anything else on this? or moving on... 18:09:25 <nirik> #topic #1094 tomcat6 deprecation (fasttrack) 18:09:26 <nirik> .fesco 1094 18:09:26 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1094 18:09:29 <zodbot> nirik: #1094 (tomcat6 deprecation (fasttrack)) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1094 18:09:36 <nirik> the submitter said this can be closed now. 18:09:46 <nirik> I will just do that unless anyone has any further issues here... 18:09:53 <abadger1999> mitr: btw, I think Marcela voted the last time (in ticket) 18:10:05 <notting> hooray for things that sort themselves out 18:10:16 <nirik> yeah, always nice. 18:10:18 <abadger1999> yay 18:10:23 <mitr> abadger1999: yes, but we changed the proposal 18:10:27 <nirik> #action nirik to close ticket out. 18:10:34 <nirik> #topic #1098 F19 Features - Progress on Feature Freeze 18:10:34 <nirik> .fesco 1098 18:10:34 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1098 18:10:36 <zodbot> nirik: #1098 (F19 Features - Progress on Feature Freeze) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1098 18:11:35 <nirik> so where are we here? 18:11:57 <jwb> we're at the point where we drop stuff 18:12:14 * nirik nods 18:12:30 <jwb> which is basically kolab and ns-3 at this point? 18:12:57 <jreznik> the list of postponed features is quite big 18:13:09 <nirik> jwb: looks like. 18:13:16 <jreznik> jwb: I have not received any update for ns-3 at all 18:13:18 <jwb> jreznik, they already moved them themselves. that's good. 18:13:40 <jwb> proposal: drop ns-3 and kolab as features for F19. Suggest they target F20. 18:13:40 <jreznik> jwb: well, I convinced them to do so :) to make it easier for fesco :) 18:13:45 <jwb> excellent 18:13:56 <nirik> jwb: +1 18:14:02 <jreznik> cwickert promised updates but... so I'm +1 18:14:06 <notting> jwb: +1 18:14:24 <notting> they're both leafy features, so if they come back tomorrow we *can* reconsider, but yeah - defer to f20 18:14:24 <mitr> +1. (We can perhaps reconsider later if they do make F19 and are expected to be sufficiently tested.) 18:14:43 <nirik> right, they can come back for an exception. 18:15:07 <nirik> other votes? 18:15:08 <abadger1999> +1 18:15:18 <jreznik> there are more leaf features that could get exception later, for now it was easier and safer to postpone 18:15:41 * pjones reads 18:15:47 <pjones> jwb: +1 18:15:55 <nirik> #agreed drop ns-3 and kolab as features for F19. Suggest they target F20. (+6, 0) 18:16:36 <nirik> So, we had enough votes on this to decide in ticket, but I thought I would have a topic in case others wished to vote or had additional comments: 18:16:38 <nirik> #topic rawhide inheritance 18:16:46 <nirik> #1005 At f19 branching time, drop inheritance in rawhide 18:16:46 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1005 18:16:47 <nirik> .fesco 1005 18:16:47 <nirik> and 18:16:47 <nirik> #1099 Postpone inheritance cut-off to Alpha Freeze 18:16:48 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1099 18:16:50 <nirik> .fesco 1099 18:16:50 <zodbot> nirik: #1005 (At f19 branching time, drop inheritance in rawhide) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1005 18:16:53 <zodbot> nirik: #1099 (Postpone inheritance cut-off to Alpha Freeze) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1099 18:17:13 <nirik> so, any additional thoughts or comments? or are we all set here? 18:18:31 * nirik listens to the crickets chirp. ;) 18:18:36 <notting> i like the idea of later inheritance breaks because i'm lazy. 18:18:47 <jwb> i don't care either way 18:18:49 <notting> but i don't care enough that we should drastically change policy for it. 18:19:21 <nirik> I understand lazy... but I think this way is also nicer... I mean f19 and rawhide aren't really the same after branch... 18:19:51 <nirik> perhaps we revisit next cycle and see if we can do anything better. 18:19:53 <jreznik> nirik: +1 and I actually never used inheritance 18:20:04 <mitr> If anybody wanted to save work, a script that kicks of both builds and even reports a diff of the build.logs (potentially ignoring "f19"/"f20" differences) should be easy enough to write. 18:20:21 <nirik> mitr: yeah. 18:20:29 <nirik> ok, moving along then... 18:20:35 <mitr> Conceptually I strongly prefer having the build system and branches consistent 18:20:43 * nirik does too 18:20:58 <pjones> mitr: likewise 18:21:05 <mitr> Do we want a pro forma vote, or is that -4 in the ticket considered sufficient? 18:21:38 <nirik> mitr: theres -5 in ticket 1099... 18:21:52 <notting> I can be -1 too 18:22:18 <mitr> nirik: comment#4 if vondruch quoting abadger1999 18:22:37 <pjones> you meant "is", right? 18:22:40 <nirik> oh indeed. 18:22:47 <mitr> pjones: yes, sorry 18:22:52 <pjones> still, looks like we're at -6 now? 18:23:01 <nirik> so, with nottings -1 we are at -5... 18:23:09 * pjones was counting himself 18:23:15 <nirik> sorry, yeah, -6 18:24:06 <nirik> #agreed proposal to Postpone inheritance cut-off to Alpha Freeze rejected (0,-6,0) 18:24:14 <nirik> #topic #1102 Release name issues 18:24:14 <nirik> .fesco 1102 18:24:15 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1102 18:24:19 <zodbot> nirik: #1102 (Release name issues) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1102 18:25:02 <mitr> Do we have a reason to believe there will be many bugs? 18:25:17 <jwb> i think pjones fixed 3 yesterday 18:25:33 <pjones> jwb: which means we have reason to believe we won't have those 3. 18:25:40 <jreznik> abrt guys fixed abrt one 18:26:02 <pjones> still, the real question is: how many alpha blocker bugs will we have? 18:26:14 <nirik> indeed. 18:26:14 <jreznik> but it caused for example issue with pillow due to python unicode handling 18:26:23 <pjones> and I think it's starting to look like there was a quick rush of them, but they've mostly subsided. 18:26:36 <mitr> I don't see this as a reason to panic... yet 18:26:53 <pjones> yeah, I think it was just a scary change that caused some dramatic breakage up front, but wasn't actually too bad 18:26:58 <nirik> I don't think we will really know until we get further testing things. 18:27:06 <mitr> Perhaps we could stay with the current name for Alpha, and decide to revert at the change freeze time if it would look like it would affect the schedule? 18:27:20 <notting> the spec defines that os-release is in unicode, correct? 18:27:20 <abadger1999> jreznik: only sorta true -- it caused python3 to ftbfs 18:27:20 <nirik> mitr: yeah, that was my thought. 18:27:28 <nirik> notting: yep. 18:27:36 <nirik> well, if by 'spec' you man 'man os-release' 18:27:39 <mitr> 2 weeks should also be enough time to fix a few issues 18:27:43 <adamw> right now the state of pre-alpha images is that we don't have a non-live image which can complete an install, and basically only I have a live image which installs 18:27:44 <abadger1999> jreznik: and pillow needed python3 rebuilt to fix a different bug 18:27:50 <jreznik> abadger1999: ok 18:27:55 <adamw> and I have not tested that any further than 'it reaches the desktop' really 18:27:58 <adamw> so it's a hard question to answer. 18:28:19 <adamw> fixing the single quote _ought_ to reduce the possible number and severity of issues, though, so thanks pjones. 18:28:42 <abadger1999> notting: yep -- os-release is supposed to be utf-8. But os-release is also a different format (key-value vs a single string) 18:29:03 <jreznik> adamw: yep, I think the quote one is really the top one... 18:29:39 <jreznik> abadger1999: but makes sense to have same rule for os-release and fedora-release at least for encoding 18:29:46 <abadger1999> jreznik: +1 18:30:11 <nirik> hey t8m 18:30:29 <nirik> so, really I think we should keep trying to fix things and if it seems like thats causing massive pain, revisit. 18:30:32 <notting> proposal: leave name as is, fix issues as they arise 18:30:37 <pjones> notting: +1 18:30:40 <t8m> heya 18:30:48 <nirik> +1 18:30:52 <mitr> notting: +1 18:30:55 <notting> (as-is == with currently-in-tree apostrophe change, just for reference) 18:31:02 <abadger1999> +1 18:31:06 <t8m> +1 if it does not cause slippage 18:31:34 * notting is +1 (obviously) 18:31:36 <nirik> #agreed leave name as is, fix issues as they arise (+6,0,0) 18:31:44 <nirik> #topic next weeks chair 18:31:47 <nirik> who wants the fun? 18:31:54 <t8m> nirik, I can do 18:32:08 <nirik> cool. thanks. 18:32:14 <nirik> #action t8m to chair next week 18:32:18 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 18:32:21 <nirik> anything for open floor? 18:33:32 <Viking-Ice> what's the default logger now that journal persistancy has been enabled by default ? 18:33:38 <jreznik> nirik: just one thing related to schedule - I'd like to have a draft of "changes" template and process ready soon - to announce it together, hope for next meeting for you 18:34:12 <Viking-Ice> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/systemd.git/commit/?id=5457175a725720384… 18:34:32 <nirik> Viking-Ice: rsyslog is still enabled and default, if someone wants to propose a f20 feature to change that, feel free. 18:34:39 <nirik> jreznik: cool. 18:35:08 <Viking-Ice> nirik, I just want to fix things before rsyslog gets disable I wanted to start doing that a year ago hence my packaging proposal 18:35:16 <Viking-Ice> at that time 18:35:30 <Viking-Ice> trying to work ahead of the inevitable 18:35:35 <jreznik> nirik: sorry for delays, I'm trying to sync with docs, not many luck with marketing, I'll push harder 18:36:22 <nirik> no worries. 18:37:09 <nirik> ok, anything else? 18:37:41 <drago01> Viking-Ice: flip it in rawhide? 18:37:59 <drago01> Viking-Ice: enough time to work things out ... we already branched 18:38:12 * nirik would like to see a feature proposal with the changes and scope and such... 18:38:12 <Viking-Ice> drago01, need the fpc proposal approved it's on ice since journal is not the "default" 18:38:37 <Viking-Ice> in fact it makes no sense enable journal persistancy ( from my pov ) until it is 18:38:42 <nirik> and confirm all the issues folks noted last time it was proposed are handled in some way 18:39:18 <mitr> Viking-Ice: You can (rpm -e rsyslog) in F18 already and test that if you are interested 18:39:56 <Viking-Ice> mitr, I just want to start fixing packaging log files in the distribution 18:39:57 <mitr> (don't take that as a +1 to the change from me :) ) 18:40:13 <Viking-Ice> after all the affected components are around 600 18:40:18 <Viking-Ice> it takes time ;) 18:40:18 <mitr> Viking-Ice: I have no idea what that means, sorry 18:40:50 <Viking-Ice> mitr, as so many things packages are not depending on rsyslog 18:41:34 <mitr> Viking-Ice: All of 2 packages on F18 18:41:47 <nirik> anyhow, can we continue this out of meeting? 18:41:48 <Viking-Ice> mitr, there should be around 600 ;) 18:42:02 <mitr> nirik: yes. sorry 18:42:18 <nirik> if nothing else, will close in a minute then. 18:43:23 <nirik> thanks everyone. 18:43:25 <nirik> #endmeeting

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F19 Alpha Blocker Bug Review #2 Minutes
by Tim Flink 20 Mar '13

20 Mar '13

================================================= #fedora-blocker-review: f19alpha-blocker-review-2 ================================================= Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-blocker-review/2013-03-20/f19alpha-… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-blocker-review/2013-03-20/f19alpha-… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-blocker-review/2013-03-20/f19alpha-… Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (tflink, 16:00:13) * Introduction (tflink, 16:06:52) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting (tflink, 16:07:47) * LINK: http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current (tflink, 16:08:18) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_19_Alpha_Release_Criteria (tflink, 16:08:36) * 11 Proposed Blockers (tflink, 16:08:59) * 1 Accepted Blockers (tflink, 16:08:59) * 2 Proposed Freeze Exceptions (tflink, 16:08:59) * 1 Accepted Freeze Exceptions (tflink, 16:08:59) * (922988) virtio modules (and possibly others?) missing from installed system's initramfs after a Fedora 19 live (pre-Alpha TC1) install (tflink, 16:10:34) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922988 (tflink, 16:10:37) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 16:10:40) * AGREED: 922988 - We're not 100% clear on the impact of this bug. Once we have more data on its impact, we can make a decision WRT its impact (tflink, 16:22:33) * (923459) F19 pre-Alpha TC1 network installs stop at "Starting package installation process" (anaconda is stuck in a loop between writev and recvfrom) (tflink, 16:23:56) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=923459 (tflink, 16:23:59) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 16:24:02) * AGREED: 923459 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F19 alpha release criteria for network sources "When using the dedicated installer images, the installer must be able to use either HTTP or FTP repositories (or both) as package sources." (tflink, 16:27:42) * (922991) dracut hook pre-pivot runs before mount hook (tflink, 16:27:54) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922991 (tflink, 16:27:54) * Proposed Blocker, dracut, MODIFIED (tflink, 16:27:54) * AGREED: 922991 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F19 alpha release criterion: "The installer must be able to download and use an installer update image from an HTTP server." (tflink, 16:31:41) * (921896) Single quote in f19 release name breaks grub2, probably other stuff (tflink, 16:32:04) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=921896 (tflink, 16:32:07) * Proposed Blocker, fedora-release, NEW (tflink, 16:32:09) * AGREED: 921896 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F19 alpha release criteria as soon as the kernel is updated post-install "After firstboot is completed and on subsequent boots, a graphical install must boot to a log in screen where it is possible to log in to a working desktop as the user created during firstboot." (tflink, 16:38:42) * (919374) /var/run not created with var_run_t leading to many boot avc's (tflink, 16:39:19) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=919374 (tflink, 16:39:22) * Proposed Blocker, filesystem, ASSIGNED (tflink, 16:39:25) * AGREED: 919374 - While this sounds like it could be a blocker, we want to wait until it has been reproduced by at least one other person before accepting it as a blocker for F19 alpha (tflink, 16:45:50) * (923501) gnome-initial-setup is not visible on first boot after install (tflink, 16:46:18) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=923501 (tflink, 16:46:21) * Proposed Blocker, gdm, NEW (tflink, 16:46:23) * the criteria need to be updated to cover both firstboot and gnome-initial-experience (tflink, 16:53:08) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922951 covers the other fail. (adamw, 16:53:55) * AGREED: 923501 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F19 alpha release criterion (substituting gnome-initial-experience for firstboot) A system installed with a graphical package set must boot to the 'firstboot' utility on the first boot after installation. (tflink, 16:56:51) * (922951) gnome-initial-setup is enabled by default (and presently crashes) (tflink, 16:57:23) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922951 (tflink, 16:57:26) * Proposed Blocker, gnome-initial-setup, NEW (tflink, 16:57:28) * AGREED: 922951 - While this seems as it it would be a blocker, we suspect that it has been fixed. If it isn't fixed already, will revisit at the next meeting (tflink, 17:03:55) * (922885) make sure gnome-initial-setup.service doesn't start on LiveCD (tflink, 17:04:14) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922885 (tflink, 17:04:17) * Proposed Blocker, gnome-initial-setup, POST (tflink, 17:04:19) * LINK: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-initial-setup/log/ (adamw, 17:06:15) * this has already been fixed, verified and will be closed (tflink, 17:07:46) * (922955) GNOME Shell fails to start if gnome-screensaver is not installed (it is not in our default groups) (tflink, 17:10:17) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922955 (tflink, 17:10:20) * Proposed Blocker, gnome-shell, NEW (tflink, 17:10:22) * this bug has been fixed and will be closed shortly (tflink, 17:16:50) * (917246) gdm-simple-slave crashes on login attempt (tflink, 17:17:05) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=917246 (tflink, 17:17:06) * Proposed Blocker, gnome-shell, NEW (tflink, 17:17:06) * AGREED: 917246 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F19 alpha release criterion: "After firstboot is completed and on subsequent boots, a graphical install must boot to a log in screen where it is possible to log in to a working desktop as the user created during firstboot." (tflink, 17:30:27) * (921914) Lorax should disable dracut's 'hostonly' mode when generating images (tflink, 17:30:46) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=921914 (tflink, 17:30:49) * Proposed Blocker, lorax, NEW (tflink, 17:30:52) * 921914 has been fixed and can be closed (tflink, 17:36:40) * (922335) enter not accepted in unlock screen anymore (tflink, 17:37:32) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922335 (tflink, 17:37:32) * Proposed Freeze Exceptions, gnome-shell, NEW (tflink, 17:37:32) * note that this has already been closed (tflink, 17:40:13) * (919935) enblend FTBFS due to doc/texinfo related issues (tflink, 17:43:08) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=919935 (tflink, 17:43:08) * Accepted Blocker, enblend, NEW (tflink, 17:43:08) * this is still being worked out, leaving out kipi-plugins from the TC1 build is an option (tflink, 17:46:56) * Open Floor (tflink, 17:50:47) * the next version of the blocker tracking app will be hitting fedora infra staging soon (hopefully this friday) (tflink, 17:51:25) Meeting ended at 18:02:38 UTC. 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FAmNA Meeting (20 March 2013)
by Jon 19 Mar '13

19 Mar '13

====================== #fedora-meeting: FAmNA ====================== Meeting started by masta at 01:00:17 UTC. The full logs are available athttp://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-20/famna.2013-03-… . Meeting summary --------------- * === FAmNA Roll Call === (masta, 01:00:17) * === Announcements === (masta, 01:03:49) * === Tickets === (masta, 01:04:46) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 (masta, 01:04:47) * Northeast LinuxFest 2013, March 16 - 17, Harvard (dan408, 01:13:12) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/49 (dan408, 01:15:45) * ticket #48 & #49 to be closed as soon as they have event reports (masta, 01:19:15) * ACTION: rbergeron to update ticket (dan408, 01:22:13) * == Who will be the next FAmNA meeting chair? == (masta, 01:23:49) * == Open Floor === (masta, 01:28:22) * ACTION: dan408 to have a time and date to vote on for a new official meeting time if not the same one (dan408, 01:51:27) Meeting ended at 02:00:08 UTC. Action Items ------------ * rbergeron to update ticket * dan408 to have a time and date to vote on for a new official meeting time if not the same one Action Items, by person ----------------------- * dan408 * dan408 to have a time and date to vote on for a new official meeting time if not the same one * rbergeron * rbergeron to update ticket * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * dan408 (157) * chanchito (55) * masta (46) * award3535 (38) * inode0 (22) * rbergeron (18) * davdunc (10) * zodbot (9) * dramsey (3) * nb (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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APAC ambassadors meeting minutes 2013-03-16
by Truong Anh Tuan 16 Mar '13

16 Mar '13

Hi, We have got only some attendees but a good meeting today. Here are the meeting minutes: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-16/apac.2013-03-16-… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-16/apac.2013-03-16-… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-16/apac.2013-03-16-… The next meeting will be on Saturday, March 30th, 2013 at 04:00 UTC with a new proposed agenda format [1] (I will have another thread to start a discussion on this new proposed format later) Meet you in two weeks! [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2013-03-30#Agenda Kind regards, Tuan

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Fedora Chinese Meeting Minutes (2013-03-15)
by Alick Zhao 15 Mar '13

15 Mar '13

Hi all, The IRC meeting minutes tonight are available at here [1]. Thanks everyone for attending the meeting. In the meeting we mainly talked about offline gather up in Beijing in March, translation task, FUDCON 2014 bid. The next IRC meeting will be held on next Friday (2013-03-22). Please come and join the discussion if you can! [1] http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2013-03-15/fedora-zh.2013-03-15-… ============================================= #fedora-zh: Fedora Chinese Meeting 2013-03-15 ============================================= Meeting started by alick at 12:01:01 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2013-03-15/fedora-zh.2013-03-15-… . Meeting summary --------------- * 点名 (alick, 12:01:48) * 翻译 (alick, 12:16:31) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Guide/zh-cn (alick, 12:16:47) * LINK: http://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-19/f-19-trans-tasks.html (alick, 12:21:06) * 目前主要任务还是翻译文档和维基页 (alick, 12:23:46) * ACTION: endle will check the l10n progress of UEFI Guide (alick, 12:34:11) * 三月线下活动（BJGUG 社区联合活动） (alick, 12:36:20) * LINK: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-cn-list/2013-March/msg00020.html (alick, 12:38:22) * 北京GNOME用户组三月活动之开源社区大联盟 (alick, 12:40:45) * 时间： 2013.3.23 13:00-17:00 (alick, 12:40:57) * 地点：朝阳区北苑路13号院1号楼领地OFFICE C座603室 (alick, 12:41:37) * FUDCON APAC 2014 申办 (alick, 12:51:45) * IDEA: contact kaio, gbraad, and RH Beijing about FUDCON bid (alick, 13:00:53) Meeting ended at 13:03:11 UTC. Action Items ------------ * endle will check the l10n progress of UEFI Guide Action Items, by person ----------------------- * endle * endle will check the l10n progress of UEFI Guide * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * alick (101) * liangsuilong (39) * zsun (22) * BinLi_i (17) * zodbot (14) * endle (13) * gfrog (10) * diseng (7) * microcai (6) * BinLi (5) * BadGirl (4) * qzhou (1) * AndChat|366225 (1) * CyrusYzGTt (0) * gbraad (0) * kingheaven (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- Alick Fedora 18 (Spherical Cow) user https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick

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