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Fedora Docs Meeting Minutes
by Pete Travis 26 Aug '13

26 Aug '13

==================================================================================================== #fedora-meeting: Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings ==================================================================================================== Meeting started by randomuser` at 13:59:29 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-08-26/fedora_docs.2013… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (randomuser`, 13:59:29) * Follow up on last week's action items (10 minutes ) (randomuser`, 14:05:36) * Release Notes / Changes (randomuser`, 14:07:58) * Writers can create bugs for themselves to cover our part of the changes process at any time (randomuser`, 14:10:33) * ACTION: randomuser to announce open beats (randomuser`, 14:14:19) * ACTION: randomuser to start creating tracking bugs for Changes (randomuser`, 14:14:39) * Guide Status (randomuser`, 14:14:56) * LINK: https://badges.fedoraproject.org/user/1345 (jhradilek, 14:32:30) * Outstanding BZ tickets (randomuser`, 14:34:49) * LINK: http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84 (randomuser`, 14:35:03) * Open Floor (randomuser`, 14:43:51) Meeting ended at 14:59:55 UTC. Action Items ------------ * randomuser to announce open beats * randomuser to start creating tracking bugs for Changes Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * randomuser to announce open beats * randomuser to start creating tracking bugs for Changes People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * randomuser` (75) * lnovich (28) * Capesteve (15) * jhradilek (12) * jamielinux (10) * zoglesby (6) * croberts (6) * zodbot (5) * swflint (3) * jsmith (2) * jreznik (2) * pkovar (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- -- Pete Travis - Fedora Docs Project Leader - 'randomuser' on freenode - immanetize(a)fedoraproject.org

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Fedora Kernel Meeting Minutes 08-23-2013
by Josh Boyer 23 Aug '13

23 Aug '13

============================== #fedora-meeting: Fedora Kernel ============================== Meeting started by jwb at 18:09:42 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-08-23/fedora_kernel.20… . Meeting summary --------------- * init (jwb, 18:10:12) * F18 (jwb, 18:11:57) * F18/F19 (jwb, 18:12:31) * Currently on 3.10.9 (jwb, 18:13:34) * Updates to be filed with auto-karma off to ensure at least one day in updates-testing (jwb, 18:16:22) * Lots of testers have shown up all of a sudden. Yay badges? (jwb, 18:16:42) * F20/Rawhide (jwb, 18:22:27) * F20 and Rawhide are kept in sync for now. both at 3.11-rc6-gitX (jwb, 18:22:45) * F20 to be released with 3.11.y (jwb, 18:25:05) * next month (jwb, 18:26:03) * Justin and Josh at LPC (jwb, 18:32:26) * kernel test suite being packaged up (jwb, 18:32:37) * trinity and coverity scans (jwb, 18:32:53) * open floor (jwb, 18:33:16) Meeting ended at 18:37:18 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * jwb (64) * jforbes (16) * nirik (7) * threebean (4) * zodbot (3) * davej (2) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Fedora Chinese Meeting Minutes (2013-08-23)
by Alick Zhao 23 Aug '13

23 Aug '13

Hi all, The IRC meeting minutes tonight are available at the link [1]. Thanks everyone for attending the meeting. In the meeting we talked about Fedora 19 Release Party Beijing and FUDCon bid. Please review the proposed ideas and actions. The next IRC meeting will be held on next Friday (2013-08-30). Please come and join the discussion if you can! [1]: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2013-08-23/fedora-zh.2013-08-23-… ================== #fedora-zh Meeting ================== Meeting started by alick at 13:17:06 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2013-08-23/fedora-zh.2013-08-23-… . Meeting summary --------------- * Fedora 19 Release Party Beijing (alick, 13:17:24) * the relparty has been successfully head (alick, 13:17:56) * the relparty has been successfully held (alick, 13:18:32) * LINK: https://wp-awesome.rhcloud.com/2013/08/22/f19-relparty-beijing-report/ (alick, 13:18:38) * LINK: https://wp-awesome.rhcloud.com/2013/08/22/f19-relparty-beijing-report-chn/ (alick, 13:18:45) * LINK: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/H7R3PCL (alick, 13:19:42) * ACTION: alick to send a reminder about the ddl of survey (Aug 31) (alick, 13:20:52) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flock (gbraad, 13:37:46) * ACTION: alick send an email to the list about small gather up (alick, 13:54:21) Meeting ended at 14:01:15 UTC. Action Items ------------ * alick to send a reminder about the ddl of survey (Aug 31) * alick send an email to the list about small gather up Action Items, by person ----------------------- * alick * alick to send a reminder about the ddl of survey (Aug 31) * alick send an email to the list about small gather up * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * gbraad (51) * alick (40) * BadGirl (5) * zsun_symbian (3) * zodbot (3) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2013-08-22)
by Kevin Fenzi 22 Aug '13

22 Aug '13

============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2013-08-22) ============================================ Meeting started by nirik at 19:00:08 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-08-22/infrastructure.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * welcome y'all (nirik, 19:00:08) * New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. (nirik, 19:02:53) * Applications status / discussion (nirik, 19:07:05) * LINK: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~libravatar/libravatar/trunk/files/head:/libra… (threebean, 19:18:08) * LINK: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~libravatar/libravatar/trunk/view/head:/INSTALL… (nirik, 19:18:40) * Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 19:20:37) * apply updates next wed all around (stg first and test with rube) (nirik, 19:22:24) * rdiff backups are up and running. everything in backup_clients ansible group (nirik, 19:24:49) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5721 (we expose tags now? could we also expose icons and descriptions there? ) (nirik, 19:36:23) * Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 19:39:03) * LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/ (nirik, 19:39:03) * Open Floor (nirik, 19:39:57) Meeting ended at 19:51:11 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (108) * threebean (53) * smooge (19) * lmacken (18) * frankieonuonga (17) * abadger1999 (10) * Xeladem (8) * besser82 (5) * zodbot (4) * oddshocks (4) * ianweller (1) * cyberworm541 (1) * puiterwijk (0) * mdomsch (0) * pingou (0) * relrod (0) * dgilmore (0) -- 19:00:08 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2013-08-22) 19:00:08 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Aug 22 19:00:08 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:08 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:08 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 19:00:08 <nirik> #topic welcome y'all 19:00:08 <nirik> #chair smooge relrod nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean pingou puiterwijk 19:00:08 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 19:00:08 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik pingou puiterwijk relrod smooge threebean 19:00:12 * lmacken 19:00:17 * threebean is here 19:00:22 * oddshocks present 19:01:28 <smooge> here 19:02:44 <nirik> ok, lets go ahead and get started. 19:02:53 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. 19:03:21 <nirik> any new folks or apprentices with questions? 19:03:55 <frankieonuonga> hi guys. 19:03:58 <frankieonuonga> i am kind of new here 19:04:06 <frankieonuonga> i am i think now about two weeks old 19:04:24 <frankieonuonga> still trying to get cultured but nirik has been kind enough to show me around 19:04:41 <nirik> Happy to help out. 19:04:43 <threebean> hi frankieonuonga :) 19:04:51 <frankieonuonga> i do not know what you guys might want to know about me...but ask away and feel free to throw me some tasks to teach me something 19:04:55 <frankieonuonga> threebeen: hi 19:05:17 <Xeladem> Hi everyone,nice to meet you i am new too and hi frankie:) 19:05:28 * oddshocks waves 19:05:31 <nirik> welcome Xeladem 19:05:41 <nirik> Xeladem: are you more interested in sysadmin tasks or application development? 19:05:50 <Xeladem> both :p 19:05:58 * cyberworm541 is here 19:05:59 <nirik> cool. 19:06:18 <nirik> Xeladem: see me after the meeting in #fedora-admin or #fedora-apps and we can point you in the right direction 19:06:32 <Xeladem> Okay cool thx 19:06:34 <Xeladem> :D 19:06:52 <Xeladem> Sorry for my poor english ^^ 19:06:58 <nirik> excellent. well, do chime in with questions and comments anytime. 19:07:05 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 19:07:15 <nirik> any applications news/plans upcoming? 19:07:22 <nirik> badges continues to roll on. 19:08:06 <threebean> yeah, I gotta check on them now.. but I sent an email to the infra list asking for any help with code review on a few pull requests for that. 19:08:26 <nirik> abadger1999: we still waiting on a python-fedora with flask_fas_openid? 19:08:43 <threebean> I guess, if no one has time, I'd really like to merge them and get them out tomorrow. 19:08:57 <lmacken> threebean: I can have a look later this evening if no one gets to them first 19:09:08 <threebean> lmacken: thanks :) 19:09:20 <nirik> I need to ping abompard and see about moving hyperkitty along. 19:09:28 <abadger1999> Hmm.. 19:09:29 <lmacken> threebean: when is the supybot sparklines getting deployed? ;) 19:09:44 <oddshocks> School starts up for me on Monday so I'll be giving my projects more love by then 19:09:44 <abadger1999> The new pythono-fedora isn't released upstream but we have fedora nad epel packages with the relevant backport. 19:10:00 <abadger1999> nirik: when we install that we need to be sure to take out the hotfix in puppet. 19:10:04 <abadger1999> it won't be compatible 19:10:06 <threebean> lmacken: I was going to leave that to ianweller to merge and deploy since its kind of his? 19:10:10 <nirik> abadger1999: right. 19:10:46 <threebean> oddshocks: cool; welcome back :) 19:11:20 <nirik> any other applications updates landing soon? 19:11:27 <threebean> hm, two things: 19:11:57 <threebean> 1) fun stuff -- libravatar trac integration got accepted upstream. there's an epel-testing rpm on the way. 19:12:05 <threebean> so, we can get that in for testing soon. 19:12:11 <nirik> I was thinking of just landing that today or tomorrow... 19:12:20 <nirik> get it done. 19:12:20 <threebean> +1 19:12:38 <threebean> 2) not fun stuff -- there's a python-requests/python-urllib3 update on the way 19:12:45 <threebean> historically, that has caused pain for python-fedora :( 19:12:47 <lmacken> oh boy 19:12:59 <lmacken> I really wish python-urllib3 didn't log.info for each connection :\ 19:13:05 <nirik> Question: should we at some point look at running a libravatar instance? (not sure whats involved, but would be a nice way to give back to them and help spread use) 19:13:24 <nirik> threebean: :( yeah, we should update stg and test as much as we can first. 19:13:33 * threebean nods 19:13:50 <threebean> yeah. its mostly python3 fixes, so its only relevant for fedora, not epel. 19:14:03 <threebean> but I'll leave them in updates-testing for an eon to make sure. 19:14:08 <lmacken> I'd rather hit bugs with that stack now, prior to it getting merged into stdlib ;P 19:14:18 * threebean facepalms 19:14:27 <abadger1999> lmacken: nah -- the stdlib will only get the api right? none of the code? 19:14:46 <abadger1999> that's what was discussed at the python language summit 19:15:00 <lmacken> abadger1999: not sure… I really hope they don't drag the code along with the API 19:15:31 <ianweller> threebean: really anybody can merge stuff for supybot-fedora, i'll see it eventually when i make the release tarball :) 19:15:53 <abadger1999> lmacken: lang summit was a long time ago now but it sounded like guido didn't like kenneth reitz implementation. and he wanted to try reimplementing it on top of his own async stack 9tulip) 19:16:06 <lmacken> abadger1999: ah, yeah tulip-based would be great. 19:16:12 <lmacken> ianweller: plz2merge sparklines ;) 19:16:19 * lmacken wants .quotes 19:16:21 <threebean> nirik: w.r.t. running our own libravatar, I would love for us to. Its just a question of who's stoked about it and has the extra time to do it and maintain it. ;) 19:16:24 * threebean wants .badges too :) 19:16:36 <nirik> threebean: yeah, I can add it to my list to look at someday. 19:16:52 <nirik> it may not be too hard. 19:16:58 <threebean> cool :) 19:17:00 <lmacken> php stack?///////// 19:17:10 <threebean> oh boy! 19:17:15 <nirik> it is? bleh 19:17:20 <lmacken> i don't know, I'm asking ;) 19:17:31 <lmacken> guessing, rather 19:17:46 <lmacken> ruby 19:17:58 <lmacken> oh, I'm looking at the wrong repo I think 19:18:08 <threebean> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~libravatar/libravatar/trunk/files/head:/libra… 19:18:10 <threebean> python :) 19:18:26 <nirik> Django 19:18:31 <lmacken> awesome, a launchpad site that points to a gitorious repo 19:18:40 <nirik> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~libravatar/libravatar/trunk/view/head:/INSTALL… 19:18:44 <threebean> djamn! 19:19:05 <nirik> heh 19:19:21 <nirik> anyhow, just a random thought, not a priority 19:19:27 <nirik> any other application side news? 19:19:57 <oddshocks> djamn++ 19:20:06 <lmacken> nothing exciting... going to do a bodhi1 bugfix release before I move next week 19:20:11 <lmacken> then I'll be off the grid for the first week of sept 19:20:29 <nirik> cool. ;) 19:20:37 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion 19:20:44 <nirik> lets see... on the sysadmin side... 19:20:57 <nirik> I think I want to do a roll up on updates next week before we head into alpha freeze. 19:21:05 <nirik> so far nothing needs reboot, just apply updates. 19:21:15 <threebean> cool :) 19:21:28 <threebean> may I suggest -> we update stg, do a rube run, then update prod? 19:21:38 <nirik> yep. Sounds great. 19:21:49 <nirik> probibly wed next week... 19:22:24 <nirik> #info apply updates next wed all around (stg first and test with rube) 19:22:52 <nirik> I've finished setting up rdiff-backups for us. :) It's on backup03 and sysadmin-main has access to them. 19:23:13 <nirik> It's backing up everything in the backup_clients ansible group 19:23:27 <nirik> if anyone can think of a machine not in there that has data we should backup, please let me know. 19:24:20 <nirik> It's been taking about 6hours to do all them in a mostly serial way. I might look at making it async to finish faster, but 6 hours isn't too bad. 19:24:45 <smooge> especially since it is competing with bacula at the same time 19:24:49 <nirik> #info rdiff backups are up and running. everything in backup_clients ansible group 19:25:15 <nirik> yeah, if things look good after another week or two, I am thinking of killing bacula and replacing it with a simple job that spools all the rdiff-backup ones to tape 19:25:24 <smooge> yay 19:25:35 <nirik> then we can not run bacula-client on all our machines. 19:26:12 <nirik> and speaking of running on all our machines... 19:26:21 <nirik> we have just 2 scripts running in cron that need func. 19:26:28 <threebean> ah, right 19:26:32 <nirik> if someone is interested in porting them to ansible, let me know. 19:26:39 <threebean> that's in cron on lockbox? 19:26:52 <nirik> yeah, they are puppet reporting scripts actually: 19:26:54 <nirik> ./modules/puppet/files/check_puppet_run.py 19:26:55 <nirik> ./modules/puppet/files/make_puppet_reports.py 19:27:01 <threebean> cool 19:27:05 <threebean> no promises here ;p 19:27:18 <nirik> once those are moved, we can not run funcd on all our machines. ;) 19:27:43 <nirik> lets see... 19:27:48 <threebean> lots of other ansible little ansible things made progress 19:27:53 <nirik> smooge: anything I am forgetting? oh... ssl certs... 19:28:00 <threebean> abadger1999: made some progress on the new hosts sop 19:28:09 <smooge> should have ssl done later today. 19:28:12 <nirik> yeah, kudos to misc for helping moving things to roles. I hope to do more too. 19:28:31 <smooge> I am trying to figure out what packages is using all the disk space.. but that is also requiring me to figure out where stuff is stuck on the system 19:28:31 <nirik> smooge: those were *.stg and *.id ? 19:28:35 <smooge> yes sir 19:28:40 <nirik> cool. 19:29:15 <nirik> ok, any other sysadmin side news? 19:29:15 <threebean> smooge: hm, have you checked in /var/cache/fedoracommunity ? 19:29:16 <abadger1999> threebean: aww -- I thought you were telling me you made some progress on that :-) 19:29:23 <threebean> abadger1999: sorry, no. ;) 19:29:28 <threebean> I was talking you up :) 19:29:35 <abadger1999> So yeah, the new-hosts sop is 1/3 to 1/2 done now. 19:30:00 <smooge> I am going trhough /srv/../git.fedoraproject.org at the meoment 19:30:01 <nirik> thanks for working on that abadger1999 19:30:11 <abadger1999> But there's some things about our ansilble vars orgnization that seems non-optimal so I have to clear up some time to look at that to document the next section. 19:30:34 <threebean> smooge: ah -- my bad. I think we're talking about different "packages". (I thought you were talking about the fedora-packages webapp) 19:30:35 <nirik> abadger1999: yeah, I think it's good to identify them and fix them now. Easier than it will be if we pile more on them. 19:30:52 <nirik> smooge: this is packages01.phx2 and packages02.phx2 right? 19:31:21 <nirik> packages01.phx2 != pkgs01 19:31:23 <smooge> nirik, yes packages01/02 19:31:49 <smooge> I did pkgs01 last night :). 19:32:12 <nirik> smooge: ok, looking in /var/cache/fedoracommunity/ might be good... but I'm not sure what can be pruned there off hand. 19:32:32 <threebean> huh.. I didn't even realize there was a /srv/glusterfs/packages/packages/git.fedoraproject.org/ on packages0{1,2} (just found it) 19:32:45 <nirik> thats the raw brick? 19:32:52 <nirik> you shouldn't touch it. 19:32:55 <smooge> well when I do a df it says its on the disk 19:32:59 * threebean steps away 19:33:00 <nirik> unless gluster is off. 19:33:03 <smooge> so I am confused 19:33:32 <smooge> ok so /srv/glusterfs is the brick 19:33:36 <smooge> and not the store 19:33:49 <nirik> gluster has a 'brick' that stores the files, and then it exposes them via nfs or fuse... you operate on the fuse/nfs mount so it can sync to all the indicated bricks 19:33:53 <smooge> I thought the raw brick was a large file I couldn't look at :) 19:34:00 <nirik> nope, it's a tree... 19:34:05 <smooge> ahhhhhh 19:34:11 <smooge> well then I am in the wrong place 19:34:12 <nirik> with some extra acls/metadata 19:34:25 <threebean> a brick-tree. 19:34:40 <nirik> I can poke it after the meeting too... not a big deal, just want it to stop alerting. ;) 19:35:24 <nirik> if needed we could likely increase the size of those instances... 19:35:40 <nirik> oh, that reminds me, I had a packages/tagger question... 19:36:23 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5721 (we expose tags now? could we also expose icons and descriptions there? ) 19:36:50 <threebean> hm. 19:37:03 <nirik> because doing a script on compose seems horrible to me. 19:37:09 <threebean> they are... already exposed through the fedora-packages api? 19:37:18 <threebean> python-pkgwat-api has code to query for them. 19:37:25 <nirik> so, hurray? :) 19:37:38 <threebean> :) 19:38:00 <nirik> dunno about localized descriptions or even where those would be. 19:38:08 <threebean> oof.. yeah. 19:38:29 <nirik> so, if you could reply on ticket perhaps we could sort it, or catch him on irc. 19:38:33 * threebean nods 19:38:35 <threebean> will 19:38:40 <threebean> will see if it'll do what he needs. 19:38:41 <nirik> thanks mucho 19:38:49 <nirik> it seems like it might 19:39:03 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 19:39:03 <nirik> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/ 19:39:11 <nirik> I updated our calendar with freezes and such 19:39:18 <nirik> anything else folks want to schedule or note? 19:39:57 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 19:40:04 <nirik> any items for open floor? 19:40:36 <besser82> the fedorabugs-sponsors thing from yesterday's FESCo-meeting, I think :) 19:40:50 <frankieonuonga> just one thing...and I am not sure if i should even ask this..but the dev environ..that is the git used here..is there a guide on how to get on. 19:40:54 <frankieonuonga> sorry if this is silly 19:40:56 <nirik> oh yeah, I was meaning to reply to that on besser82 19:41:16 <nirik> besser82: so, is the main issue that it can be slow? 19:41:24 <nirik> frankieonuonga: not silly at all. 19:41:33 <nirik> anyone have a good getting started with git guide? 19:41:54 <frankieonuonga> like i can use git pretty well...but i dont know where this is for you guys 19:42:03 <frankieonuonga> like where exactly you store the code 19:42:23 <frankieonuonga> in terms of maybe githib.com or girorious...something like that and how to plug to that 19:42:24 <nirik> frankieonuonga: well, for puppet and ansible and infra-docs, etc... it's all git repos on lockbox01. 19:42:42 <nirik> for many of our applications it is github/fedora-infra/ 19:42:43 <besser82> nirik: the main issue here 1) it is slow (sometimes) 2) fedorabugs-group is abused 19:42:48 <frankieonuonga> nirik: you have lost me just a little. 19:43:00 <frankieonuonga> oh ok ok . 19:43:02 <frankieonuonga> got it. 19:43:27 <nirik> besser82: yeah, looks like tickets go direct to tibbs. We could change that to a pool of people. as for fedorabugs, yeah, but is it really worth making a new group just for that? 19:43:31 <threebean> frankieonuonga: if you have any questions about the stuff on github.com/fedora-infra.. the best place to ask is probably #fedora-apps, btw. 19:43:53 <frankieonuonga> i see...ok. 19:43:59 <frankieonuonga> thanks threebean 19:44:05 <besser82> nirik: no need for a new group if all of you are fine with usung fedorabugs :) 19:44:24 <nirik> besser82: the nice thing about fedorabugs is... when someone gets added to packager, they get added to fedorabugs anyhow. 19:44:33 <nirik> so, there's nothing to clean up. ;) 19:44:42 <threebean> frankieonuonga: one more link that might be of help -> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AppBestPractices 19:44:46 <besser82> nirik: makes sense :) 19:44:54 <threebean> frankieonuonga: its a collection of notes on development practices 19:45:06 <Xeladem> nice :) 19:45:11 <nirik> besser82: anyhow, we can look at fixing it up out of meeting. ;) 19:45:11 <Xeladem> thk 19:45:13 <Xeladem> thx 19:45:45 <besser82> nirik: the pool of people thing... Limited to who / how much? / kk, will you ping me then? 19:46:14 <nirik> besser82: sure, I can... and if I don't you can ping me. ;) Well, we could just make it 'fedorabugs-sponsor-members' for everyone who can sponsor in fedorabugs. ;) 19:47:05 <nirik> any other comments, questions, suggestions? 19:47:22 <threebean> oh, so.. my family is having another baby ;) due date is sept 27 -- This means I'll probably be.. scarce around then. :) 19:48:01 <nirik> congrats! 19:48:05 <threebean> thanks! 19:48:49 <nirik> Oh, I am also planning on being out toward the beginning of october. 19:49:03 <nirik> a week and a few days probibly. 19:49:28 <threebean> cool, cool. 19:49:55 <nirik> anyhow, if nothing else will close out in a min. 19:50:00 <smooge> oh going to Las Cruces? 19:50:07 <frankieonuonga> thanks threebean 19:50:18 <nirik> smooge: nope... fish camp, ca... outside of yosimite. ;) 19:50:26 <smooge> oh even better. No internet 19:50:33 <nirik> yeah, hiking and redwoods. 19:50:43 <smooge> say hi to Sam for me. And remember it is duck season. 19:51:03 <nirik> :) 19:51:09 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone! 19:51:11 <nirik> #endmeeting

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Fedora Board Meeting Minutes :: 2013/08/22
by Josh Boyer 22 Aug '13

22 Aug '13

Meeting started by jwb at 18:00:08 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-08-22/fedora-meeting… . Meeting summary --------------- * #fedora-advisory-board is a thing! join in the fun. (jwb, 18:04:18) * Target audience & alignment with anticipated future directions (jwb, 18:06:43) * draft proposal on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora.next/boardproposal (misc, 18:08:31) * each working group (cloud, server, workstation) will be have its own charter and governance (misc, 18:24:59) * governance /charter still need board/Fesco supervision, current proposal is to have at least 1 FESCO member in the group governance (misc, 18:27:21) * IDEA: The Board reviews the proposal, comes up with a list of questions/suggestions (if any) and provides FESCo feedback before the next FESCo meeting (jwb, 18:46:18) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1158 (mattdm, 18:55:41) * The Board will review the proposal and communicate any questions/suggestions to FESCo by the next FESCo meeting, if not before. Questions are preferred ASAP (jwb, 18:56:29) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1158 (jwb, 18:57:46) * open floor (jwb, 19:00:37) * The Board wishes to thank the people working on Fedora Badges for their excellent efforts at contributor recognition (jwb, 19:03:40) * ACTION: Sparks to send F20 Naming vote announce email (jwb, 19:06:17) * LINK: http://www.fedoraproject.ro/vot-nume-f20 (inode0, 19:08:05) * IDEA: Extend the Release Name voting one week (Sparks, 19:09:51) * F20 Release Name Voting will be extended by 1 week (jwb, 19:11:19) * ACTION: Sparks contact abadger1999 to extend and send the announce (misc, 19:11:34) * IDEA: We make a "Policies and Procedures" guide for the Board that is marked up in DocBook and published similarly as our other official Guides to make it easier for people to find out how we get things done. (Sparks, 19:14:30) * ACTION: Sparks to open Board trac ticket to discuss documenation strategy of Board policies and proceedures (wiki vs. docbook) (jwb, 19:21:35) Meeting ended at 19:27:58 UTC. Action Items ------------ * Sparks to send F20 Naming vote announce email * Sparks contact abadger1999 to extend and send the announce * Sparks to open Board trac ticket to discuss documenation strategy of Board policies and proceedures (wiki vs. docbook) Action Items, by person ----------------------- * abadger1999 * Sparks contact abadger1999 to extend and send the announce * Sparks * Sparks to send F20 Naming vote announce email * Sparks contact abadger1999 to extend and send the announce * Sparks to open Board trac ticket to discuss documenation strategy of Board policies and proceedures (wiki vs. docbook) * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * jwb (124) * Sparks (72) * rbergeron (61) * sgallagh (52) * mattdm (45) * misc (33) * inode0 (30) * abadger1999 (18) * rdieter (16) * Viking-Ice (14) * zodbot (10) * mhayden (9) * jsmith (4) * tflink (3) * quaid (3) * nirik (2) * mjg59 (2) * ianweller (2) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Summary/Minutes from today's irc support sig meeting (2013-08-22)
by Kevin Fenzi 22 Aug '13

22 Aug '13

============================================= #fedora-meeting: IRC Support SIG (2013-08-22) ============================================= Meeting started by nirik at 18:00:00 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-08-22/irc-support-sig.… . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (nirik, 18:00:01) * Week(s) in review (nirik, 18:01:55) * ticket #155 OP complaint - EvilBob (nirik, 18:04:20) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/155 (nirik, 18:04:23) * ticket #156 maltreatment and abuse of power in #fedora-social (nirik, 18:07:29) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/156 (nirik, 18:07:32) * ticket #157 Support for US Embargoed Nations (#fedora FAQ) (nirik, 18:16:32) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/157 (nirik, 18:16:39) * Open Floor (nirik, 18:44:40) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/107 (dcr226, 18:46:36) Meeting ended at 18:51:27 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (89) * EvilBob (47) * dcr226 (46) * DiscordianUK (24) * randomuser (15) * jsmith (6) * fenrus02 (5) * zodbot (3) -- 18:00:00 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2013-08-22) 18:00:00 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Aug 22 18:00:00 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:00 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig 18:00:01 <nirik> #topic init process 18:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig' 18:00:07 <nirik> morning everyone 18:00:13 * EvilBob 18:00:17 <DiscordianUK> Hello 18:00:51 * randomuser made it somehow 18:01:07 * nirik will wait a minute for more folks, then start in 18:01:17 <EvilBob> randomuser: You didn't use the teleporter again did you... 18:01:29 <EvilBob> ;) 18:01:55 <nirik> #topic Week(s) in review 18:01:59 <randomuser> if I had a teleporter, I'd be a much happier person 18:02:10 <nirik> anyone have trends or common issues we are seeing more of lately? 18:02:51 <nirik> I've not really noticed any new trends off hand. 18:03:00 <DiscordianUK> Nor me 18:03:46 <EvilBob> I've not been that active the past week or so. 18:03:49 <nirik> ok, shall we move on to tickets then? 18:04:02 <nirik> EvilBob: yeah, I've been pretty busy too... but try and keep an eye out when I can anyhow 18:04:20 <nirik> #topic ticket #155 OP complaint - EvilBob 18:04:23 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/155 18:04:56 <DiscordianUK> I believe EvilBob did the right thing 18:04:58 <nirik> so, nothing to do here. I don't understand why someone would get so upset about being warned. 18:05:20 <DiscordianUK> I've also had to admonish folks about -away recently 18:05:21 <nirik> no reply from them in ticket. 18:05:38 <nirik> proposal: close -> wontfix 18:05:43 <DiscordianUK> jnix is of course a resident in #rhel 18:05:43 <dcr226> user's major problem surrounds the incorrect assumption that nick-changes aren't present in the FAQ. They are. No response from OP, close the ticket 18:05:47 <DiscordianUK> +1 18:06:02 <dcr226> DiscordianUK, not relevant 18:06:05 <EvilBob> Just for the record... 18:06:35 <dcr226> nirik, +1 18:06:37 <EvilBob> The ticket was invalid from the start, I am not now nor have I ever been a channel op in #fedora 18:06:48 <nirik> EvilBob: also true. 18:06:53 <nirik> ok, shall we move on then? 18:06:55 <DiscordianUK> Indeed 18:07:08 <randomuser> +1 for self-policing communities, then 18:07:29 <nirik> #topic ticket #156 maltreatment and abuse of power in #fedora-social 18:07:32 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/156 18:08:00 <nirik> so, EvilBob and nix talked, this seems to be all taking offense at something someone said and getting all worked up 18:08:10 <DiscordianUK> I acted to stop someone who was just retreading the same ground repeatedly 18:08:21 <nirik> also some other random people have been jumping on the ticket who were not there or don't realize this was in social 18:08:21 <DiscordianUK> and quieted them 18:08:24 <EvilBob> I discussed this ticket, my part of it anyhow, with nix\(nixfas) and we left the discussion on positive terms 18:09:11 <DiscordianUK> In that case I suggest we close the ticket with no action required 18:09:47 <nirik> right, so my proposal is we ask everyone to try and relax and not take things so seriously, and if offense is taken to appologize when none is offered 18:10:05 <DiscordianUK> I'll go with that +1 18:11:18 <nirik> counter proposals? more discussion? 18:12:07 <EvilBob> I think it's OK to close at this time, if nix and fenrus02 want to get in to it deeper they can do so privately or re-open 18:12:09 <randomuser> I think sometimes a +q is needed to quell a contentious discussion; the person acted on isn't especially more or less to blame 18:12:27 <nirik> right. to reduce the 'heat' of the channel. 18:12:48 <EvilBob> randomuser: and sometimes sadly the person that gets the +q is not greater offender initially 18:13:11 <randomuser> so I'd suggest stating it that way - not taking sides, but making it clear that the goal is only to place a time out on the *topic* 18:13:16 <randomuser> EOF 18:13:19 * nirik nods. 18:13:41 <EvilBob> sometimes I have +q the less aggressive person just because I know that they will not fight more after and the more agressive party has no one to fight with at the time. 18:13:45 <DiscordianUK> That's a good view 18:14:21 <nirik> right. I think people misconstrue the quiets sometimes. 18:14:42 <EvilBob> I always try to explain when possible 18:14:51 <nirik> yep. 18:15:09 <nirik> ok, further discussion on this one, or move on? 18:15:36 <EvilBob> I think it's OK to close at this time, if nix and fenrus02 want to get in to it deeper they can do so privately or re-open 18:15:45 <nirik> yeah, thats fine with me. 18:15:58 <EvilBob> and by "private" I don't mean PM 18:16:16 <EvilBob> poor choice of words... "Off the list" 18:16:21 <nirik> right 18:16:29 <EvilBob> DEFAULT TO OPEN! 18:16:32 <nirik> #topic ticket #157 Support for US Embargoed Nations (#fedora FAQ) 18:16:39 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/157 18:16:43 <nirik> fun one. ;) 18:17:11 <nirik> I think replacing our embargoed entry with a more general one on help will make some people happy and also improves things... 18:17:17 <EvilBob> IMO this should stay as stated 18:17:28 <DiscordianUK> I am +1 with nirik's proposal 18:17:39 <jsmith> WORKSFORME 18:17:39 <EvilBob> This section of the FAQ was added for a reason 18:17:58 <nirik> EvilBob: how about this... we replace it with the general one, and mail legal asking them if there's a reason for the specific one that needs to be there. If they say yes, we re-add it? 18:18:11 <randomuser> rewording legalistic copy seems sensitive 18:18:16 <EvilBob> until we check the revision history, mailing list, trac tickets and IRC logs... it should stay. 18:18:16 <nirik> I tried to look at discussion around when it was added, but couldn't find it. 18:18:16 <jsmith> +1 to communicating with legal 18:18:27 <jsmith> (it's a sticky topic) 18:18:29 <nirik> no ticket leaped out, or irc meeting 18:18:55 <EvilBob> there was something that happened that lead to it being suggested. 18:18:57 <nirik> but I know it was discussed. Just can't recall the details. 18:19:10 <nirik> They say memory is the second thing to go... I forget what the first is. 18:19:16 <EvilBob> can we have 2 weeks to look in to the history deeper? 18:19:34 <EvilBob> if we can't find the specifics we can change it. 18:19:46 <DiscordianUK> I'd second two weeks 18:19:48 <dcr226> why does it matter? is there a major issue with nirik's revised copy? 18:19:57 <dcr226> if not..let it fly, and let people calm down 18:20:10 <nirik> dcr226: we are wondering if legal asked us to add that, in which case it might be bad to remove it. 18:20:10 <DiscordianUK> I am happy with nirik's draft 18:20:13 <fenrus02> does nirik's rewording somehow invalidate that you can refuse to assist a user from an embargo'd country? 18:20:14 <EvilBob> dcr226: Without looking for the reason it was added, we don't know 18:20:34 <dcr226> I see no point in antagonizing a situation over the wording of a sentence when very few people care about it 18:20:34 * nirik shrugs. I guess we can wait and try and gather more info 18:20:58 <EvilBob> people being "calm" about embargoes and assumed freedoms is never going to happen 18:21:10 <nirik> I'm also fine with changing it and asking for more info to put it back... 18:21:15 <dcr226> I can't remember why it was added either..just remember it being added 18:21:39 <EvilBob> 2 weeks should be enough time to be diligent in our actions 18:21:42 <randomuser> if one wanted to gloss over the issue, embargo status could be listed as one of many reasons that someone might not get helped; others might include "nobody available knows the answer" 18:22:20 <DiscordianUK> Or in the case of one recent case : because I don't use that 18:22:23 <nirik> randomuser: I started to list some things in my last draft, but I think that gets negative soon... or could... 18:22:49 <randomuser> yeah, it would be easy to get too wordy there. I like your draft nirik, fwiw 18:23:14 <nirik> also, when you add lists of things people assume it's just them... and there's more reasons than I can think of to stop helping someone. ;) 18:23:44 <randomuser> true, i withdraw the comment :) 18:24:07 <EvilBob> I may or may not agree with the embargo, the point is that we IMO have an obligation to protect Red Hat from unneeded scrutiny in exchange for their generous ownership of Fedora™ 18:25:10 <DiscordianUK> I'm still +1 with nirik's proposal 18:25:31 <EvilBob> On the other hand, perhaps the DOD and DOJ should be made aware that Red Hat does little to prevent "munitions" that they produce from getting in to the hands of the "enemy" 18:25:49 <dcr226> wow 18:25:54 <nirik> offtopic. 18:25:59 <EvilBob> That could potentially solve all the problems 18:26:22 <nirik> nope, I don't see how it ever could 18:26:40 <dcr226> IIRC, it was never demanded of the sig by Red Hat to ever include that line in the FAQ 18:26:42 <randomuser> we shouldn't get into policy debates at the project level or the international level; the question is one of presentation in the FAQ 18:26:59 <dcr226> that being said, a lot of hassle would be saved by simply deleting that line, and moving on with our lives 18:27:02 <fenrus02> leave it to fpl and or legal 18:27:06 <dcr226> ^^ 18:27:35 <DiscordianUK> ask Counsel if we can't agree here 18:27:48 <EvilBob> randomuser: we can't bury our heads in the sand and ignore the Facts 18:27:51 <nirik> ok, how about: 18:28:07 <EvilBob> 2 weeks is all I asked for to make sure we are not making a mistake 18:28:14 <nirik> add new general entry now, leave embargoed one for a week, ping legal, if they don't care about us having it, remove it then. 18:28:31 <randomuser> nirik, +1 18:28:36 <fenrus02> nirik, wfm. may want fpl's buy-in as well though 18:28:47 <fenrus02> nirik, because they are the ones going to be pinged about it in case of questions 18:28:47 <nirik> EvilBob: I don't look forward to 2 weeks of people piling on to the ticket. ;) 18:28:53 <DiscordianUK> Okay I'll support nirik's revised proposal 18:29:04 <dcr226> DiscordianUK, I think we can just assume you're with nirik 18:29:07 <dcr226> :) 18:29:14 <dcr226> fenrus02, is that still rbergeron ? 18:29:21 <EvilBob> nirik: close the ticket, stating it will be removed in 2 weeks pending further investigation 18:29:31 <nirik> EvilBob: compromise on 1 week? 18:29:37 <fenrus02> dcr226, sure! (not kept track of politics much, but i think it has not changed) 18:29:39 <dcr226> (relatively rhetorical, but a reasonable excuse to nick-highlight) :) 18:30:08 <EvilBob> nirik: I was hoping for some time AFTER the "Labor Day weekend" to make sure I have time and resources to check it out. 18:30:23 * nirik looks at calendar, is that coming up? 18:30:34 <EvilBob> nirik: I don't have access to all my logs until after the 2nd of Sept 18:31:02 <nirik> well, I would think we would get a reply in a week, if only a 'please stand by while we consider it' 18:31:03 <EvilBob> Sept 5th is "2 weeks" 18:31:26 <DiscordianUK> I'm against the irredentist (never help anyone from an embargoed country) mentality dcr226 18:31:56 <dcr226> I dont care what you are for, or against in honesty 18:32:27 * nirik sighs. I'd prefer to just deal with this, 2 weeks seems too long to me. 18:32:32 <dcr226> just noting that you were +1 to everything nirik uttered...and I was getting the idea 18:32:33 <dcr226> :) 18:32:55 * nirik comes up with some crazy proposal for DiscordianUK to agree with 18:32:59 <EvilBob> dcr226: He likes beans 18:33:02 <dcr226> nirik, ginger people 18:33:09 <dcr226> LOL 18:33:20 * nirik is one. ;) 18:33:34 <dcr226> a bean? 18:33:39 <dcr226> :) 18:33:56 <DiscordianUK> The longer the ticket stays open the more crud it will accumulate 18:33:58 <dcr226> isn't "delete the entry" a useful compromise? 18:34:13 <dcr226> on the grounds that the sig was never forced to actually add it in the first place? 18:34:20 <nirik> dcr226: well, we don't know, we can't recall. 18:34:36 <dcr226> Heh 18:34:53 <EvilBob> anyhow, I don't even the time and resources needed in 1 week to check this out, I would need 2 weeks. I really don't think that is asking too much even if every embargoed person comments on the ticket. 18:34:57 <nirik> if there is a reason for it to be there, I would think legal could tell us in 1 week. 18:35:19 <nirik> EvilBob: it's more legal looking into it, no? it doesn't need to be on you 18:35:30 <EvilBob> anyhow, I don't HAVE the time and resources needed in 1 week to check this out, I would need 2 weeks. I really don't think that is asking too much even if every embargoed person comments on the ticket. 18:35:50 <EvilBob> nirik: I may not be something that we need to bother them with 18:35:50 <nirik> you shouldn't need to. 18:36:08 <nirik> I don't think it's a big problem to send an email. 18:36:51 * nirik would be happy to send it off. wait a week and see. 18:37:02 <dcr226> here's a suggestion: 18:37:18 <randomuser> proposal: give EvilBob another week if legal does not reply authoritatively 18:37:43 <nirik> randomuser: sure, you mean if they don't reply in a week or don't say yes or no? 18:38:00 <dcr226> Close the ticket with "None of us are lawyers, but its sad that you guys are offended by the wording. We're going to contact legal straight away and ask for their help implementing a more comforably worded entry for you. Will have a reply ASAP and act accordingly" 18:38:15 <randomuser> i mean, if they don't reply - or do reply but not with directly actionable information 18:38:32 * EvilBob hates involving lawyers in anything 18:38:39 <nirik> dcr226: fine with me. 18:39:08 <EvilBob> ESPECIALLY when they have already been involved with it getting placed there originally 18:39:22 <nirik> randomuser: thats also fine with me. 18:39:22 <dcr226> EvilBob, I dont mind..if I'm not paying 18:39:50 <dcr226> :) 18:39:50 <nirik> so: close per dcr226's suggestion, mail legal, wait a week, if no reply add a week for EvilBob to dig more. 18:40:14 <EvilBob> No consensus... push it a week and then give me a week to look deeper in to it. 18:40:14 <DiscordianUK> Reluctantly +1 18:40:21 <EvilBob> ;) 18:40:54 <dcr226> I think there needs to be a "We're dealing with this, but its gonna take a little while" approach to the ticket to stop it getting out of hand 18:41:02 <nirik> dcr226: yes, I think thats a great idea. 18:41:13 <jsmith> dcr226: I agree 18:41:41 <DiscordianUK> okay yes 18:41:45 <jsmith> Let's send a provisional response saying "We're looking into this... please be patient while we get you a final answer" 18:41:57 <jsmith> while we dig a bit deeper, etc. 18:42:26 <nirik> right, and I'm fine with closing it, since there's no more action to take place in the ticket. 18:42:34 <dcr226> I'd be seriously tempted to close it from further comments, to stop it spiralling 18:42:46 <EvilBob> as I stated 15 minutes ago "<EvilBob> nirik: close the ticket, stating it will be removed in 2 weeks pending further investigation" 18:43:01 <nirik> right, is everyone ok with that plan then? 18:43:13 <dcr226> rock and roll! (+1) 18:43:38 <EvilBob> If I can't find it in my logs and stuff then... we have no reason to keep it. 18:43:48 <nirik> cool. 18:43:56 <nirik> any further discussion on this? or move on? 18:44:05 <EvilBob> move it 18:44:40 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 18:44:48 <nirik> dcr226: you had some old tickets for us to look at closing? 18:44:58 <dcr226> oops, yeah..moment 18:45:10 <dcr226> ok, this one first: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/147 18:45:27 <dcr226> " This was discussed at the 2013-05-16 meeting, calling for more discussion. " 18:45:35 <nirik> yeah, and nothing happened. 18:45:40 <dcr226> op doesn't seem to much care since (3 months ago), can we just kill it? 18:45:53 <DiscordianUK> Close it 18:45:54 <nirik> I'm fine with closing it with a note asking them to reopen if they have specific changes 18:45:54 <EvilBob> kill 'em all! 18:46:10 <dcr226> yeah, ideal 18:46:28 <dcr226> next one? 18:46:34 <nirik> next 18:46:36 <dcr226> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/107 18:46:55 <dcr226> I started this, didn't really work how I originally intended..don't think it needs to be alive anymore 18:47:14 <nirik> yeah, it was mostly done. 18:47:21 <EvilBob> dcr226: that one is so old it's maybe time to create a new one to cut the dead weight... 18:47:23 <EvilBob> ;) 18:47:25 <nirik> I think one or two were not cleaned up, but overall it's finished. 18:47:26 <randomuser> wait, there's a SIG membership list for validity of +1's here ? :P 18:47:37 <nirik> randomuser: in theory yeah 18:47:38 <dcr226> EvilBob, Hah 18:48:05 <dcr226> and the last one was https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/125 18:48:36 <dcr226> does anyone know if FranciscoD did anything with the wiki? or shall we just leave my comment in the wind for another week? 18:48:38 <nirik> That got done, but needs redone. ;) 18:48:45 <nirik> I'd say ping the ticket and ask him to update it? 18:48:50 <nirik> yeah 18:49:09 <dcr226> ok..so we can just leave that until he wakes..it was very recently that I made a change 18:49:22 <nirik> yeah, he's been around so hopefully he will chime in. 18:49:27 <nirik> any other items for open floor? 18:50:07 <dcr226> I'm spent 18:50:30 <nirik> heh. 18:50:40 <nirik> ok, would anyone like to close tickets this week? 18:50:47 <nirik> if not I can do it, but might not be for a bit. 18:51:06 <dcr226> I can do it in a sec 18:51:13 <nirik> dcr226: that would be lovely. thank you. 18:51:24 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone! 18:51:27 <nirik> #endmeeting

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Summary/Minutes from today's FPC Meeting (2013-08-22 16:00 - 17:45 UTC)
by James Antill 22 Aug '13

22 Aug '13

====================== #fedora-meeting-1: fpc ====================== Meeting started by abadger1999 at 16:01:58 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-08-22/fpc.2013-08-22… . Meeting summary --------------- * https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/327 Python shebangs should not point to /usr/bin/python (abadger1999, 16:04:22) * LINK: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0394/#migration-notes (Rathann, 16:10:29) * passed a 3 part update to shebang lines. abadger1999 to modify the guidelines to implement the three changes. (abadger1999, 16:36:41) * #328 Soft-static uid/gid allocation for Performance Co-Pilot daemons (abadger1999, 16:36:59) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/328 (abadger1999, 16:39:05) * #329 Packaging Guideline: libtool should be regenerated in SPEC (abadger1999, 16:40:23) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/329 (abadger1999, 16:40:28) * #331 ruby guidelines requiring ruby(release) causes depsolving headache https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/331 (abadger1999, 17:23:52) Meeting ended at 17:46:40 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * abadger1999 (98) * geppetto (41) * Rathann (30) * racor (24) * limburgher (19) * samkottler (16) * tibbs|w (16) * sgallagh (8) * Smoother1rOgZ (8) * RemiFedora (7) * zodbot (5) * dgilmore (5) * tibbs (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Latam Meeting Minutes/ Registros de la reunion de embajadores Latam 2013-08-21
by alejandro perez 21 Aug '13

21 Aug '13

Latam Meeting Minutes/ Registros de la reunion de embajadores Latam 2013-08-21 Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-08-21/fedora_ambassado… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-08-21/fedora_ambassado… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-08-21/fedora_ambassado…

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2013-08-21 @ 16:00 UTC - F20 Alpha Blocker Bug Review #1 Minutes
by Tim Flink 21 Aug '13

21 Aug '13

================================================= #fedora-blocker-review: f20alpha-blocker-review-1 ================================================= Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-blocker-review/2013-08-21/f20alpha-… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-blocker-review/2013-08-21/f20alpha-… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-blocker-review/2013-08-21/f20alpha-… Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (tflink, 16:01:31) * Introduction (tflink, 16:06:59) * Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and freeze exception bugs. (tflink, 16:07:06) * We'll be following the process outlined at: (tflink, 16:07:11) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting (tflink, 16:07:11) * The bugs up for review today are available at: (tflink, 16:07:17) * LINK: http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current (tflink, 16:07:17) * The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at: (tflink, 16:07:25) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_20_Alpha_Release_Criteria (tflink, 16:07:25) * Up for review today, we have: (tflink, 16:07:30) * 5 Proposed Blockers (tflink, 16:07:58) * 0 Accepted Blockers (tflink, 16:07:58) * 0 Proposed Freeze Exceptions (tflink, 16:07:58) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 16:08:39) * (901917) rescue a fedora system mode doesn't recognize luks installation (tflink, 16:08:43) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=901917 (tflink, 16:08:46) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 16:08:49) * AGREED: 901917 - RejectedBlocker (alpha) AcceptedFreezeException (alpha) AcceptedBlocker (beta) - Violates the following F20 beta release criterion: "The rescue mode of the installer must be able to detect and mount any installation performed according to the applicable criteria, and provide a shell with access to utilities capable of performing typical recovery operations." (tflink, 16:12:02) * (997690) SizeNotPositiveError: bytes= param must be >=0 (tflink, 16:12:10) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=997690 (tflink, 16:12:10) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, POST (tflink, 16:12:10) * AGREED: 997690 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F20 alpha release criterion: "The installer must be able to complete an installation to a single disk using automatic partitioning." (tflink, 16:19:08) * (985342) illegal instructions with glibc-2.17.90 on armv7hl (tflink, 16:19:18) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=985342 (tflink, 16:19:21) * Proposed Blocker, glibc, ASSIGNED (tflink, 16:19:23) * AGREED: 985342 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F20 alpha release criterion for trimslice (and potentially others): "A system installed with a release-blocking desktop must boot to a log in screen where it is possible to log in to a working desktop using a user account created during installation or a 'first boot' utility." (tflink, 16:30:43) * (979174) initial-setup-text.service does not run on console (tflink, 16:30:53) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=979174 (tflink, 16:30:56) * Proposed Blocker, initial-setup, NEW (tflink, 16:30:59) * AGREED: 979174 - RejectedBlocker (alpha) AcceptedFreezeException (alpha) AcceptedBlocker (beta) - Violates the following F20 beta release criterion for many headless minimal arm installs: "The installer must be able to complete an installation using the serial console interface." (tflink, 16:53:46) * (997149) task systemd-udevd:757 blocked for more than 120 seconds. (tflink, 16:54:02) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=997149 (tflink, 16:54:05) * Proposed Blocker, kernel, MODIFIED (tflink, 16:54:07) * the blocker proposal was transferred to 997149 when 983319 was closed as a dupe - that bug has been re-opened and the proposal for release blocking status moved back (tflink, 17:00:58) * (983319) Install gets stuck returning from Installation Destination spoke (tflink, 17:02:11) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=983319 (tflink, 17:02:13) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, ASSIGNED (tflink, 17:02:16) * AGREED: 983319 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F20 alpha release criterion: "The installer must be able to complete an installation using any supported locally connected storage interface." (tflink, 17:07:23) * Open Floor (tflink, 17:08:15) Meeting ended at 17:16:52 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tflink (140) * adamw (98) * pwhalen (28) * kparal (24) * Viking-Ice (19) * dgilmore (18) * pschindl (10) * zodbot (6) * mkrizek (6) * jreznik (3) * nonamedotc (2) * nirik (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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FAmNA eeting (20 Aug 2013)
by Dan Mashal 20 Aug '13

20 Aug '13

====================== #fedora-meeting: FAmNA ====================== Meeting started by dan408 at 01:00:52 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-08-21/famna.2013-08-21… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (dan408, 01:01:51) * Tickets (dan408, 01:05:32) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 (dan408, 01:05:45) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Linuxcon (award3535, 01:15:47) * LINK: http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon-north-america (dan408, 01:16:04) * ACTION: linuxcon and OLF ambassadors to coordinate logistics (dan408, 01:17:10) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ohio_Linux_Fest_2013 (kk4ewt, 01:28:50) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ohio_Linux_Fest_2013 (kk4ewt, 01:29:29) * OLF (dan408, 01:29:40) * AGREED: $2500 for OLD Budget was approved (dan408, 01:47:42) * open floor (dan408, 01:48:14) * ACTION: dan408 to write up a plan (dan408, 02:00:32) Meeting ended at 02:03:31 UTC. Action Items ------------ * linuxcon and OLF ambassadors to coordinate logistics * dan408 to write up a plan Action Items, by person ----------------------- * dan408 * dan408 to write up a plan * **UNASSIGNED** * linuxcon and OLF ambassadors to coordinate logistics People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * dan408 (148) * kk4ewt (63) * award3535 (44) * masta (43) * inode0 (35) * zodbot (11) * StabbyMc_ (3) * nb (0) * rbergeron (0)

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