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Fedora Release Engineering meeting summary for 2014-01-20
by Dennis Gilmore 20 Jan '14

20 Jan '14

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ========================= #fedora-meeting-1 Meeting ========================= Meeting started by dgilmore at 16:38:24 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-01-20/releng.2014-01… . Meeting summary - --------------- * whos here (dgilmore, 16:38:39) * tickets (dgilmore, 16:39:52) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/report/10 (dgilmore, 16:39:54) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/report/1 (dgilmore, 16:59:02) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5808 - seems to be done as far as I understand (tyll, 16:59:16) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/1501 (dgilmore, 17:01:54) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5362 needs analysis to see if it would break anything (dgilmore, 17:04:21) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5757 https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5761 are requests for f20 tags for gnome and kde - I assume the tickets can be closed as well (tyll, 17:05:22) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/3903 needs feedback from abadger1999 (dgilmore, 17:05:33) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Adding_Side_Build_Targets_SOP i guess we should add something there (dgilmore, 17:16:53) * followup from last week (dgilmore, 17:39:22) * open floor (dgilmore, 17:42:56) Meeting ended at 17:49:52 UTC. Action Items - ------------ Action Items, by person - ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) - --------------------------- * dgilmore (107) * tyll (23) * sharkcz (8) * dwa (7) * lmacken (6) * nirik (5) * abadger1999 (5) * zodbot (3) * masta (2) * janeznemanic (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJS3WKuAAoJEH7ltONmPFDR0j4QAMZw89JN8WR+lRJUB/kT+UoW KmRglt5AGEGehJpKEF8uSWuj9rwz5g3+idp/2TPYfBTs6XXOg7s7IolfslZPApvq GSQXX4dKvR5D1Kva3j+OIqEc1HPVMQZdDWIrxCXZ89FadUpCray0/8XtcTDw9fa9 yxhQqDJ03qnKHYhsQXwco0/buBjxJPAAqIgNJbe+xJVqJexio63NjpD9o+qV8vNZ t6nqmZEr0pefwx1oQyBmBzurtV9oGVMa0xh4LoUOI7vMELapVV/QLzew2R0ScjDr 4PhiUk4qMdS4pAKlC9LpiqsmDwqgVtYKyXo/Hi+A0JXuYiUPu8C6/d3DtbaQ0RHS IWf4hYnYom/YOwfKUDD70pbG4mVS9hnQEzJ2dS7y9pj9SEs2SGIjCNJ9lgQ+xKda r3PUsQOQXghSETvQd1SwLTvDRYvlYDd0tKrFLCDfs8vd4RK3oAttSlBVPKVTrWyK neQ0hP9qcgdOFzW3LzPohJCqHdEjp3ec9n7j5joSilOCDooOyqtkS6q414xpOIaG S+I6RKo9T51hhOjXRsNRABoBprfB38GiDRUyy+rnf4bVLHzozdaqDjhOmS6H8Mev w7SR5mIZ/pjEcQqtf13IpuMtCFIjHO+jZMUsOyxLYemTYIrqbJYegazakbGqsXnh BuwcP7DAgrdX7usJF54j =5ot/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Fedora Docs Meeting Minutes 20JAN2014
by Pete Travis 20 Jan '14

20 Jan '14

==================================================================================================== #fedora-meeting: Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings ==================================================================================================== Meeting started by randomuser at 14:02:10 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-01-20/fedora_docs.2014… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (randomuser, 14:02:10) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1222 and https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1224 (jreznik, 14:09:56) * jreznik's fedora.next jamboree (randomuser, 14:10:22) * Publican4/Publishing (randomuser, 14:19:27) * Koji is setup for accepting SRPMs but we're having problems getting Koji to actually build them. We continue to troubleshoot. (Sparks_too, 14:20:47) * The new backend server is operational and is awaiting packages from Koji to be setup completely. (Sparks_too, 14:21:26) * We'll be running Publican 4 on the backend and RPMs will be made available via the repos. (Sparks_too, 14:22:22) * ACTION: Sparks to update publishing documentation. (Sparks_too, 14:30:31) * Centos Docs (randomuser, 14:31:44) * LINK: http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs (randomuser, 14:34:28) * el7 and Fedora will have a lot in common, and centos has a docs group (randomuser, 14:34:57) * guides (randomuser, 14:39:32) * Sparks is reworking the Security Guide, talk to him if you want to help (randomuser, 14:52:53) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Docs_Project_tasks (randomuser, 14:55:41) * use the task table to ask for and find tasks (randomuser, 14:55:59) * Open Floor (randomuser, 14:57:53) * ACTION: randomuser to send email to docs list about FAD scheduling for weekend of 21MAR2014, give opportunity for protest (randomuser, 15:01:51) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_FAD_2014 (randomuser, 15:04:50) * ACTION: jhradilek to update docs FAD page for brno attendees (randomuser, 15:06:21) Meeting ended at 15:11:05 UTC. Action Items ------------ * Sparks to update publishing documentation. * randomuser to send email to docs list about FAD scheduling for weekend of 21MAR2014, give opportunity for protest * jhradilek to update docs FAD page for brno attendees Action Items, by person ----------------------- * jhradilek * jhradilek to update docs FAD page for brno attendees * randomuser * randomuser to send email to docs list about FAD scheduling for weekend of 21MAR2014, give opportunity for protest * Sparks * Sparks to update publishing documentation. * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * randomuser (93) * sgordon (26) * Sparks_too (21) * Sparks (19) * jreznik (15) * pbokoc (13) * jjmcd (8) * lnovich (8) * jhradilek (7) * Capesteve (7) * zodbot (6) * roshi (2) * ciupicri (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- -- Pete Travis - Fedora Docs Project Leader - 'randomuser' on freenode - immanetize(a)fedoraproject.org

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APAC meeting minutes 2014-01-18
by Truong Anh Tuan 17 Jan '14

17 Jan '14

Hi folks, We have a good meeting today with a lot of discussion on upcoming events: FOSSASIA and FUDCon APAC 2014. Please kindly check out the meeting logs for more information. Btw, it is time to plan the budget in FY2015. If you have any events or activities, please make it added to the APAC plan (otherwise, we can not have fund for them). <zodbot> Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-01-18/apac.2014-01-18-… <zodbot> Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-01-18/apac.2014-01-18-… <zodbot> Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-01-18/apac.2014-01-18-… ======================= #fedora-meeting Meeting ======================= Meeting started by tuanta at 04:02:08 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-01-18/apac.2014-01-18-… . Meeting summary --------------- * Rollcall (tuanta, 04:02:22) * Tickets (tuanta, 04:05:51) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/report/9 (tuanta, 04:06:01) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/111 (udinnet, 04:07:06) * AGREED: Approve udinnet's funding request to FOSSASIA (Trac ticket #111) (tuanta, 04:15:58) * ACTION: tuanta to modify the ticket #111 (tuanta, 04:16:23) * ACTION: tuanta to check with jsimon if FOSSASIA event owner can reimburse some attendees (tuanta, 04:18:51) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/112 -> ticket that we filed for this (FranciscoD, 04:23:08) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/112#comment:2 -> detailed explanation (FranciscoD, 04:26:20) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/115 (tuanta, 04:27:46) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Reimbursement#Travel_Subsid… (tuanta, 04:31:20) * ACTION: tuanta to discuss about "Funding other Fedora contributors (not ambassadors)" from regional budget in FAmSCo (tuanta, 04:37:34) * AGREED: Approve banas's funding request to FOSSASIA (Trac ticket #115) (tuanta, 04:41:04) * ACTION: tuanta to modify the ticket #115 (tuanta, 04:41:22) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/107 (tuanta, 04:41:57) * AGREED: Approve funding request to for accommodation in FOSSASIA (Trac ticket #107) (tuanta, 04:47:58) * ACTION: tuanta to modify the ticket #107 (tuanta, 04:48:16) * FUDCon APAC 2014 (tuanta, 04:50:01) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Beijing_2014 (tuanta, 04:50:20) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Beijing_2014#Transportation_t… (tuanta, 04:55:26) * ACTION: zsun to break down budget for travel and hotel separately of FUDCon Beijing Bidding (zsun, 04:59:13) * ACTION: zsun talk with the team on the travel budget for FUDCon Beijing Bidding (tuanta, 05:02:25) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Beijing_2014 (tuanta, 05:09:32) * ACTION: tuanta to send out a WhenIsGood to the mailing list arrange a special meeting for FUDCon APAC 2014 discussion (tuanta, 05:13:07) * ACTION: everyone to read the bidding wiki before that meeting (tuanta, 05:13:58) * Open floor (tuanta, 05:14:12) * LINK: http://www.oanda.com/currency/converter/ (tuanta, 05:19:43) Meeting ended at 05:22:55 UTC. Action Items ------------ * tuanta to modify the ticket #111 * tuanta to check with jsimon if FOSSASIA event owner can reimburse some attendees * tuanta to discuss about "Funding other Fedora contributors (not ambassadors)" from regional budget in FAmSCo * tuanta to modify the ticket #115 * tuanta to modify the ticket #107 * zsun to break down budget for travel and hotel separately of FUDCon Beijing Bidding * zsun talk with the team on the travel budget for FUDCon Beijing Bidding * tuanta to send out a WhenIsGood to the mailing list arrange a special meeting for FUDCon APAC 2014 discussion * everyone to read the bidding wiki before that meeting Action Items, by person ----------------------- * tuanta * tuanta to modify the ticket #111 * tuanta to check with jsimon if FOSSASIA event owner can reimburse some attendees * tuanta to discuss about "Funding other Fedora contributors (not ambassadors)" from regional budget in FAmSCo * tuanta to modify the ticket #115 * tuanta to modify the ticket #107 * tuanta to send out a WhenIsGood to the mailing list arrange a special meeting for FUDCon APAC 2014 discussion * zsun * zsun to break down budget for travel and hotel separately of FUDCon Beijing Bidding * zsun talk with the team on the travel budget for FUDCon Beijing Bidding * **UNASSIGNED** * everyone to read the bidding wiki before that meeting People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tuanta (131) * FranciscoD (60) * udinnet (40) * zsun (22) * zodbot (18) * MavJS (17) * banas (16) * gnokii (11) * MarioB (8) * dramsey (6) * hongphuc_ (4) * bochecha (1) * gnokii_ (1) * niteshnarayanlal (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot Kind regards, Tuan

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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2014-01-16)
by Kevin Fenzi 16 Jan '14

16 Jan '14

============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2014-01-16) ============================================ Meeting started by nirik at 19:00:13 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-01-16/infrastructure.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * welcome all planets of the solar federation (nirik, 19:00:13) * New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks (nirik, 19:02:30) * LINK: http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/csi/security-policy/en-US/html-sing… (willo, 19:08:01) * Applications status / discussion (nirik, 19:15:00) * LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/datagrepper (threebean, 19:16:22) * LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages (threebean, 19:16:28) * new packages app ( epel bugs and enhancements) and datagrepper (new frontpage and fixes) rolled out last week. (nirik, 19:25:26) * new askbot in stg is almost working. need to fix email sending then we can schedule prod upgrade (nirik, 19:25:51) * hyperkitty roll out moving forward. Will make prod instances soon and start figuring out forwarding setup. (nirik, 19:26:23) * ACTION: nirik to write up a infra list post about how mailing lists are setup now, so we can decide how to add in mailman3/hyperkitty. (nirik, 19:31:03) * new coprs rolled out today (nirik, 19:31:24) * Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 19:34:32) * Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 19:43:47) * LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/ (nirik, 19:43:47) * goal: finish round 1 of development and deploy fmn to production by the end of January. (threebean, 19:44:50) * Open Floor (nirik, 19:45:43) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Jenkins@infra (nirik, 19:46:51) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Architecture there is a high overview (zemmiph0bia, 19:48:12) * LINK: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/nagios/ (nirik, 19:49:51) Meeting ended at 19:59:30 UTC. Action Items ------------ * nirik to write up a infra list post about how mailing lists are setup now, so we can decide how to add in mailman3/hyperkitty. Action Items, by person ----------------------- * nirik * nirik to write up a infra list post about how mailing lists are setup now, so we can decide how to add in mailman3/hyperkitty. * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (120) * willo (36) * threebean (28) * johe_ (11) * abompard (10) * adimania (9) * zemmiph0bia (8) * danofsatx (8) * relrod (6) * zodbot (4) * kamina1 (4) * smooge (4) * dgilmore (4) * janeznemanic (3) * jlar (3) * tflink (1) * jsmith (1) * lmacken (1) * LoKoMurdoK (1) * mdomsch (0) * puiterwijk (0) * abadger1999 (0) * pingou (0) -- 19:00:13 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2014-01-16) 19:00:13 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jan 16 19:00:13 2014 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:13 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:13 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 19:00:13 <nirik> #topic welcome all planets of the solar federation 19:00:13 <nirik> #chair smooge relrod nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean pingou puiterwijk 19:00:13 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 19:00:13 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik pingou puiterwijk relrod smooge threebean 19:00:26 * relrod waves 19:00:42 * lmacken 19:00:44 * abompard is here 19:00:46 * threebean is here 19:00:50 * adimania is here 19:01:04 * johe_ (new one) is here 19:01:36 * jsmith is lurking 19:01:37 <dgilmore> hola 19:01:42 * jlar is new here 19:01:47 <zemmiph0bia> morning :) (New) 19:01:50 * willo is here 19:02:16 * tflink is lurking 19:02:16 <nirik> cool. Nice crowd today. ;) 19:02:30 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks 19:02:46 <nirik> any new folks like to give a short bio/intro? or apprentices with questions or comments? 19:02:54 * nirik sees a number of new folks today 19:03:04 <johe_> okay 19:03:39 <johe_> i introduced already to the list, so hi again, i am a 34 year old systemadministrator and would like to help 19:03:47 <johe_> :-) 19:03:57 <zemmiph0bia> I'm Elizabeta, developer on ratticdb and recovering sysadmin. Wanting to get added to the fi-apprentice fas group. 19:04:11 <nirik> welcome johe_ and zemmiph0bia! 19:04:19 * threebean waves "hello" 19:04:29 <adimania> Hi. I am Aditya. I graduated to sysadmin-badges a few months ago but had to take a break. 19:04:38 <nirik> happy to add you folks to our apprentice group... just see me in #fedora-admin after the meeting. 19:04:39 <threebean> adimania: welcome back :) 19:04:45 <adimania> Will get back in action and start contributing again. :) 19:04:51 <nirik> hey adimania. :) Welcome back 19:05:08 <adimania> threebean, nirik, thanks :) 19:05:25 <jlar> Hi, I'm Jon, I'm looking to keep my skills sharp as my current job doesn't have me doing a lot of linux stuff. I want to help out any way I can. 19:05:30 <nirik> johe_: you are more interested in sysadmin tasks? or application development? or both? 19:05:42 <nirik> zemmiph0bia: you are more interested in sysadmin I guess? 19:05:49 <nirik> welcome jlar. 19:05:58 <smooge> hwelcome 19:06:01 <johe_> nirik, well, the syadmin tasks would fit my skills i guess, as i am doing it every day :-) 19:06:24 <johe_> but i could/would like to take a look on development also 19:06:26 <zemmiph0bia> nirik, both. sysadmin is certainly what I'm better with but I'd like to get more into the development 19:06:35 <nirik> jlar: great. See me also after the meeting in #fedora-admin and we can help get you started. ;) 19:06:40 <nirik> zemmiph0bia: excellent. 19:06:50 <jlar> nirik: sounds good! 19:07:13 <nirik> #fedora-admin is our main channel, we also have #fedora-apps for development related stuff and #fedora-noc for sysadmin/outages/etc 19:07:34 <willo> nirik: I've got a Q when the intros are done 19:07:48 <nirik> willo: fire away. 19:07:57 <willo> I found a link to this page: 19:07:58 <nirik> any other new folks? 19:08:01 <willo> http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/csi/security-policy/en-US/html-sing… 19:08:15 <willo> from the wiki. Can't recall exactly where it was. 19:08:37 <willo> There's an associated fedora hosted project - CSI 19:08:46 <nirik> indeed there is. ;) 19:09:08 <nirik> also, we folded it into the main docs too: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Community_Services_Infrastructure/1/htm… 19:09:18 <willo> Is this current policy on how the servers should be setup? 19:09:41 <willo> Or any other guidance on the SHOULD's, SHALL's and MUST's? 19:09:41 <nirik> in theory. It's something I've really not had time to keep current... 19:10:06 <nirik> if there's people interested in working on it again we could revive it somewhat 19:10:56 <nirik> there's good info in there (although probibly dated now) about how to setup your client machine as an admin... and how to handle security incidents, etc. 19:11:00 <johe_> nirik, i would join in :-) 19:12:32 * nirik ponders the best place to discuss changes there... I guess we could just use the main infra list at least to start. 19:13:03 <johe_> +1 19:13:22 <willo> I droped from channel for last 2 mins 19:13:25 <nirik> so, yeah, read thu and propose changes. ;) it would be great to get it updated. 19:13:27 <nirik> willo: oops. ;( 19:13:31 <nirik> let me repeat: 19:13:39 <nirik> in theory. It's something I've really not had time to keep current... 19:13:44 <nirik> if there's people interested in working on it again we could revive it somewhat 19:13:48 <nirik> there's good info in there (although probibly dated now) about how to setup your client machine as an admin... and how to handle security incidents, etc. 19:14:16 <willo> Cool, great. 19:14:37 <nirik> great topic. Thanks for bringing it up willo 19:15:00 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 19:15:06 <willo> I was thinking that I could wrte some SCAP contentbased on tat 19:15:11 <nirik> any applications news or plans? 19:15:25 <threebean> willo: that would be pretty sweet 19:15:30 <nirik> willo: I think there was some talk about SCAP recently... perhaps ask Sparks when he's around? 19:15:39 <willo> will do 19:16:17 <threebean> on applications new, a new datagrepper and a new fedora-packages got deployed at the end of last week 19:16:22 <threebean> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/datagrepper 19:16:28 <threebean> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages 19:16:35 <nirik> I have one bit of application news. :) I've been trying to get the new version of askbot working in our staging setup. 19:16:42 <nirik> threebean: any big changes? 19:16:58 <threebean> enhancements to both. charul's been working on datagrepper... 19:17:13 * LoKoMurdoK here 19:17:16 <threebean> she added that counter to the frontpage and a new html representation of messages if you look at queries in your browser. 19:17:34 <relrod> threebean: What is the goal date for deploying fmn to prod? Is there one? 19:17:55 <threebean> fedora-packages got a search bugfix - it accepts slashes correctly now. 19:18:02 <threebean> it also displays EPEL bugs in the bugs list (finally) 19:18:03 <nirik> currently: I have askbot working at https://ask.stg.fedoraproject.org/ except for the email sending. Need to figure that our and get it working, then we can repave it and redeploy and make sure it's still good and then look at updating production 19:18:11 <nirik> welcome LoKoMurdoK 19:18:24 <dgilmore> buenos dias LoKoMurdoK 19:18:42 <dgilmore> nirik: i got some emails yesterday 19:18:49 <threebean> relrod: no concrete goal date for fmn -- we never set one (although I think we just said "january") 19:19:13 <nirik> dgilmore: yeah, there was a flood of old ones. I wiped those, but it's not sending any new ones for answers, etc that I can see. ;( 19:19:19 <threebean> pkgdb2 depends on it, but it looks like pingou will be busy with other stuff before he can get around to the pkgdb2 deployment. 19:19:44 <willo> nirik: I was also looking around at askbot in stg. You saw sme of the results in fedora-noc channel. I'll try and avoid tripping the orbital defence lasers in the future. :) 19:20:26 <nirik> note to new folks: do feel free to ask questions about what things are or what someone means. ;) It's always good to explain in more detail if folks want... 19:20:35 <nirik> willo: :) no worries. 19:20:54 <willo> I saw trying to find out how my public key gets from the staging fas into my home dir's authkeys file. Apologies. 19:21:52 <nirik> willo: we can sort it out. I think it's all ok now, but if you still see any issues please let me know. 19:22:28 <relrod> heh 19:22:57 <nirik> oh, in other application news, abompard and I have been exchanging some emails on hyperkitty roll out. I'm likely going to make some production instances soon to start figuring out setup. 19:23:23 <nirik> the biggest problem is going to be setting up just single lists to forward to the new setup from the old... or otherwise make sure they don't interfere. 19:23:42 <nirik> for both web and smtp. 19:23:53 <smooge> cool 19:24:05 <threebean> abompard: how's the caching situation look these days? iirc, when we first imported messages from the old lists into the staging hyperkitty instance 19:24:09 <nirik> so, we may need folks to put on their thinking caps as to how to do that. 19:24:16 <willo> Dropped again, but just from meeting channel. No message, just gets quite and then all the nicks disappear. I'll read what I missed in the meeting notes. 19:24:25 <threebean> .. well, you were looking at caching stuff, no? 19:24:35 <abompard> Caching in hyperkitty is waaaay better now 19:24:41 <threebean> \ó/ 19:24:50 <nirik> staging instance: https://lists.stg.fedoraproject.org/archives/ 19:24:51 <abompard> I'm using memcached 19:25:02 <threebean> oh yeah. that's quick :) 19:25:26 <nirik> #info new packages app ( epel bugs and enhancements) and datagrepper (new frontpage and fixes) rolled out last week. 19:25:50 <abompard> threebean: actually the best improvement is when archive are imported 19:25:51 <nirik> #info new askbot in stg is almost working. need to fix email sending then we can schedule prod upgrade 19:26:23 <nirik> #info hyperkitty roll out moving forward. Will make prod instances soon and start figuring out forwarding setup. 19:26:27 <abompard> because I was using some tables as a cache, which needed rebuilding. Now the cache is populated ondemand, from the requests. 19:27:07 <abompard> well there are quite a few non-visible improvements these days. And nirik is rebuilding my test server, which will be useful 19:27:36 <nirik> abompard: lists-dev should be redone, just needs some tweaks on the ansible playbook to finish 19:27:44 <abompard> nirik: yeah, will do soon 19:28:03 <abompard> nirik: I just finish my big commit here, and I'll do that 19:28:23 <nirik> excellent. 19:28:29 <threebean> cool :) 19:29:05 <nirik> abompard: I know our schedules are different, but perhaps next week we could meet up and sort out production forwarding... or perhaps it would be good for me to write up for the list the way things are now so we can figure it there. 19:29:22 <abompard> nirik: sure 19:29:32 <nirik> let me try and do a list post and we can go from there. 19:29:43 <abompard> nirik: great 19:30:04 <nirik> I am sure we can get it working, just will be a matter of the best place to splice in the new one without messing with the old. 19:30:38 <nirik> ok, any other applications news? 19:31:03 <nirik> #action nirik to write up a infra list post about how mailing lists are setup now, so we can decide how to add in mailman3/hyperkitty. 19:31:15 <nirik> oh, another thing: 19:31:24 <nirik> #info new coprs rolled out today 19:31:41 <threebean> relrod: do you have a preference on an fmn deployment goal date? 19:31:58 <relrod> threebean: Not particularly 19:32:15 <threebean> ok, we'll sort it out in #fedora-apps then I guess. 19:32:19 <relrod> threebean: By the end of January works for me, if that is still your goal 19:32:58 <nirik> for new folks: http://copr.fedoraproject.org/ is copr... fmn is a messaging preference application, only in staging so far: https://apps.stg.fedoraproject.org/notifications 19:34:29 <nirik> ok, moving along then... 19:34:32 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion 19:34:39 <nirik> lets see... 19:35:07 <nirik> not too much going on right now. 19:35:14 <nirik> I need to finish the ansible cron job... 19:35:26 <nirik> It sounds like folks wanted it to just run --check --diff each day 19:35:46 <nirik> I might try and migrate some more things from puppet to ansible soon. 19:36:12 <nirik> we have setup for those mailman01/02 in production pending 19:36:17 * adimania thinks that is interesting 19:36:45 <nirik> I might file a ticket asking for a script to help you make new instances in ansible. 19:36:57 <nirik> it's just a matter of copying some templates and editing them... 19:37:28 <zemmiph0bia> Are there tickets for the remaining stuff that's left in puppet that needs to get migrated? 19:37:55 * willo was wondering the same thing 19:38:02 <nirik> zemmiph0bia: there's not. it's just been 'as we get to it'. I posted a thing to the list a few weeks ago about the plan moving forward... 19:38:05 <adimania> I'll give it a shot. I understand puppet but I have very basic understanding of ansible. 19:38:18 <zemmiph0bia> adimania, ansible is exceptionally easy. 19:38:21 <nirik> if folks want to help out migrating that would be lovely. 19:38:25 <smooge> I am going to order some hardware tonight (whether it gets approved is another matter). I am doing some certs for coprs and I am catching up with other stuff from extra long vacation/disease marathon 19:38:31 <zemmiph0bia> I'd be happy to help with that, help my partner write a book on it :p 19:38:42 <nirik> zemmiph0bia: awesome! 19:38:59 <nirik> smooge: any news on that hw order? or same old same ol? 19:39:05 <willo> I'm keen to assist in the migration 19:39:28 <willo> Ansible learning experience 19:39:28 <smooge> nirik, I have heard nothing so I am going to do it anyway. 19:39:52 <nirik> some things are pretty trivial to move, just takes a bit of time... some things (like our proxy setup thats in puppet) will likely require more brainpower. ;( 19:40:02 <nirik> smooge: :( 19:40:50 <willo> So, I'm guessing as things are migrated, they're moved out of puppet pretty quickly 19:40:51 <nirik> so folks interested in ansiblle migrations bug me and I can try and get you started. :) 19:41:01 <nirik> willo: yep. We are only adding new stuff to ansible... 19:41:09 <threebean> question -> we still don't have a release schedule for Fedora 21, correct? which means we don't have a foreseeable infrastructure freeze on the horizon, correct? 19:41:12 <nirik> but we had a lot in puppet, so it's not a quick process 19:41:26 * adimania will go through http://docs.ansible.com/intro_getting_started.html before bugging nirik 19:41:27 <willo> So, anything that I can see in puppet is a list of things that need to be migrated, correct 19:41:28 <nirik> threebean: correct. we are no freezes until we know more. 19:41:33 * threebean nods 19:41:44 <threebean> that's a good thing for the migration effort ;) 19:41:56 <nirik> willo: yep. although... there's also some old junk in puppet that wasn't properly removed when things were retired... 19:42:11 <nirik> for example, I think our asterisk server is still in there, even tho it went away about 5 years ago 19:42:41 <nirik> anyhow, we will get there i hope. ;) 19:42:41 <dgilmore> there is a ton of legacy things in puppet 19:42:48 <willo> :) just to keep it interesting 19:42:52 <nirik> dgilmore: yeah. just old stuff. 19:43:35 <nirik> I still do want to do a FAD sometime (Fedora activity day, where we get folks to gather in the same physical location and work on one problem). finishing ansible migration is one possible topic. 19:43:47 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 19:43:47 <nirik> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/ 19:43:55 <willo> nirik: will hit you up in fedora-admin later tonight or the weekend. 19:44:01 <nirik> Anyone have upcoming tasks or items they want to schedule or note? 19:44:05 <nirik> willo: sounds good. 19:44:49 <nirik> okey dokey. 19:44:50 <threebean> #info goal: finish round 1 of development and deploy fmn to production by the end of January. 19:44:59 <nirik> sounds good. ;) 19:45:43 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 19:45:48 <nirik> any items for open floor? 19:46:00 <nirik> questions, comments, ideas, youtube videos? 19:46:23 <janeznemanic> nirik: may I ask you what is the purpose of jenkins in our cloud 19:46:51 <nirik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Jenkins@infra 19:47:05 <nirik> see the 'what is' there. ;) 19:47:20 <janeznemanic> great 19:47:25 <willo> I'm a picture person. Are there currently any diagrams showing interactions between systems? 19:47:44 <willo> I understand that it would be complex, I suppose, I'm not sure just how complex 19:48:12 <zemmiph0bia> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Architecture there is a high overview 19:48:18 <nirik> well, there's: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Architecture talking about our proxy setup, but ti might be pretty out of date 19:48:24 <nirik> yeah. :) 19:48:26 <zemmiph0bia> :p 19:48:29 <willo> Yeah, saw that one 19:48:38 <willo> Would any more diagrams like this be useful? 19:48:48 <nirik> there was someone interested in making a network diagram a while back, but they just wandered off. 19:48:57 <willo> Or is it changing to quickly to keep up to date 19:48:59 <nirik> if someone would like to make one, it could be useful yeah 19:49:01 <threebean> heh, there's a fedmsg diagram -> http://www.fedmsg.com/en/latest/topology/ 19:49:05 <threebean> also somewhat out of date 19:49:12 <willo> :) 19:49:27 <danofsatx> Since Nagios is running, can't it spit out a diagram? 19:49:36 <willo> well network is defintely up my alley, I could start there 19:49:40 <nirik> danofsatx: it can yeah. 19:49:51 <nirik> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/nagios/ 19:50:15 <johe_> on nagios again? wasnt it zabbix? 19:50:42 <nirik> we were never fully on zabbix. There was an attempted migration, but it was scrapped. 19:50:43 <willo> Looked at nagios before and I got password prompt 19:50:56 <adimania> won't it depend on the parents which we defined? 19:50:58 <willo> guess fi-apprentice doesn't give me the power...:_ 19:51:14 <johe_> nirik, well i was on the noc team when they did the switch, was just a bit confused 19:51:35 <adimania> the map at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/nagios/ looks too cluttered :( 19:51:40 <nirik> willo: you should be able to use your fedora account login/pass there. 19:51:52 <willo> I think anything out of nagios is only as good as your service checks and dependancies 19:51:58 <nirik> adimania: yes, it's based on what nagios has... but I think it's actually reasonably accurate now. 19:52:12 <willo> Which can be hard to describe a lot of interactions about data flow 19:52:17 <nirik> johe_: yeah, that was before I was too involved... 19:53:28 <nirik> anyhow, does that answer the question? 19:54:03 <janeznemanic> it's complicated and big 19:54:19 <nirik> any other items for open floor? 19:54:23 <danofsatx> Since I'm here, I'd like to give a quick intro of myself to the infra team. I haven't sent the email to the list yet, though. 19:54:31 <willo> nirik: ah, ok cool. 19:54:36 <kamina1> Hi, I missed the introduction session. So, may I introduce myself? 19:54:36 <johe_> janeznemanic, true, but nagios cant display the relation, such maps are always huge 19:54:54 <nirik> danofsatx / kamina1: welcome. Please do. 19:54:59 <willo> Didn't try that after my mention in fedora-noc :) 19:55:24 <danofsatx> My name is dan, fas dmossor - I am a 20+ year veteran of the IT feild, and maintain three separate mixed CentOS/Fedora/Windows networks in my day job. 19:56:06 <kamina1> Thanks. I am Kamina. Currently, I live in Germany. I am fresh college grad, looking for improving my skills in coding and contribute to open source 19:56:17 <danofsatx> Technically, I am a Cisco certified network engineer, but I can work with anything 19:56:33 <nirik> excellent. Welcome to both of you. 19:56:38 <kamina1> Thanks 19:56:44 <nirik> are you more interested in sysadmin or application development ? or both? 19:56:50 <danofsatx> about the only thing I can't do in IT is coding - my job is to make sure the coders can do theirs. 19:57:04 <kamina1> I am interested in Application Dev 19:57:19 <danofsatx> and I in sysadmin/NOC work 19:57:24 <nirik> cool. 19:57:40 <willo> danofsatx: welcome from a fellow network engineer 19:57:52 <danofsatx> thanks willo ;) 19:58:01 <nirik> for sysadmin, see me after the meeting in #fedora-admin and we can get you added to the apprentice group, for applications, see #fedora-apps and we can get you pointed in the right direction. ;) 19:58:20 <nirik> ok, we are almost out of time... anything else before we close out the meeting? 19:58:33 <threebean> busy meeting today! 19:58:37 <threebean> good to see so many new people :) 19:58:39 <nirik> yeah, great stuff. 19:58:44 <nirik> always good seeing new folks... 19:58:49 <danofsatx> I'll tackle the diagram, in consultation with willo 19:59:14 <relrod> \o/ 19:59:16 <nirik> great. Happy to assist. 19:59:22 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone! 19:59:30 <nirik> #endmeeting

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Summary/Minutes from today's FPC Meeting (2014-01-16 17:00 - 19:00 UTC)
by James Antill 16 Jan '14

16 Jan '14

====================== #fedora-meeting-1: fpc ====================== Meeting started by abadger1999 at 17:03:12 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-01-16/fpc.2014-01-16… . Meeting summary --------------- * roll call (abadger1999, 17:03:23) * #339 software collections in Fedora (abadger1999, 17:06:52) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/339 (abadger1999, 17:07:01) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/379 (abadger1999, 17:12:07) * Proposal for language bindings to be named $language-$foo, *not* $foo-$language (old packages grandfathered but cleanups are welcomed) APPROVED (+1:7, 0:0, -1:0) (abadger1999, 18:08:46) * #380 code::blocks bundling (abadger1999, 18:11:00) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/381 (abadger1999, 18:14:06) * #383 Bundled library exception request for libgsystem (abadger1999, 18:21:28) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/383 (abadger1999, 18:21:33) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/382 (abadger1999, 18:29:29) * FPC members, please add problems you see with the golang guidelines to the ticket. We'll see if there's a way to address them afterwards (abadger1999, 19:02:43) Meeting ended at 19:09:29 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * abadger1999 (160) * tibbs|w (49) * limburgher (41) * geppetto (28) * RemiFedora (13) * racor (10) * zodbot (8) * Rathann (8) * SmootherFrOgZ (2) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Summary of yesterday's (1/15/2014) cloud WG meeting
by Sam Kottler 16 Jan '14

16 Jan '14

Thanks everyone who was able to make it to the meeting yesterday! For those who weren't able to make it, here are few important links: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-01-15/fedora-meeting… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-01-15/fedora-meeting… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-01-15/fedora-meeting… Log (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-01-15/fedora-meeting… Here's a summary of the meeting (link to the HTML and text versions above): 17:01:57 <samkottler> #startmeeting cloud WG weekly meeting 17:01:57 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jan 15 17:01:57 2014 UTC. The chair is samkottler. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:01:57 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:02:08 <jzb> howdy 17:02:25 <samkottler> #chair rbergeron mattdm number80 geppetto jzb 17:02:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: geppetto jzb mattdm number80 rbergeron samkottler 17:02:45 <samkottler> welcome to 2014's first official meeting :-) 17:02:58 * samkottler wonders if special guest davidstrauss is gonna join us 17:03:30 <samkottler> #topic rollcall 17:03:45 <jzb> jzb is here 17:03:48 <samkottler> \o/ 17:03:53 <number80> .fasinfo hguemar 17:03:55 <zodbot> number80: User: hguemar, Name: HaÃ¯kel GuÃ©mar, email: karlthered(a)gmail.com, Creation: 2006-07-18, IRC Nick: number80, Timezone: Europe/Paris, Locale: en, GPG key ID: 41CF9CEA, Status: active 17:03:58 <zodbot> number80: Approved Groups: +packager cla_fedora cla_done fedorabugs ambassadors cla_fpca gitbeefymiracle 17:03:59 <samkottler> .hellowmynameis skottler 17:04:04 <samkottler> .hellomynameis skottler 17:04:06 <zodbot> samkottler: skottler 'Sam Kottler' <skottler(a)redhat.com> 17:04:11 * samkottler struggles 17:04:22 <jzb> .hellomynameis jzb 17:04:22 <mattdm> .fasinfo mattdm 17:04:27 <zodbot> jzb: jzb 'Joe Brockmeier' <jzb(a)zonker.net> 17:04:30 <zodbot> mattdm: User: mattdm, Name: Matthew Miller, email: mattdm(a)mattdm.org, Creation: 2005-04-13, IRC Nick: mattdm, Timezone: US/Eastern, Locale: en, GPG key ID: 72CF3A1B, Status: active 17:04:33 <zodbot> mattdm: Approved Groups: @gitdockerfiles gitspin-kickstarts +gitspins @gitcloud-image-service fi-apprentice gitcloud-kickstarts cla_done fedorabugs packager ambassadors cla_fedora cla_fpca 17:04:41 <jzb> hey! finally found a way to get it to limit to matching my username... 17:05:05 <number80> i didn't knew that command too :) 17:05:29 <rbergeron> .hellomynameis slim_shady 17:05:31 <zodbot> rbergeron: Sorry, but you don't exist 17:05:32 <geppetto> .hellomynameis geppetto 17:05:35 <rbergeron> darnit 17:05:37 <zodbot> geppetto: Sorry, but you don't exist 17:05:42 <geppetto> cool :) 17:05:44 <mattdm> lol 17:05:49 <sgallagh> geppetto: Has to be your FAS ID 17:06:04 <samkottler> this meeting has entered the land of meta 17:06:08 <sgallagh> .hellomynameis sgallagh 17:06:10 <zodbot> sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' <sgallagh(a)redhat.com> 17:06:19 <geppetto> .hellomynameis james 17:06:21 <zodbot> geppetto: james 'James Antill' <james.antill(a)redhat.com> 17:07:14 <samkottler> #topic PRD update and pending issues 17:07:23 <samkottler> it's due on the 20th 17:07:38 <mattdm> it's looking a lot better than it was a week ago! 17:07:39 <samkottler> and there are still some things we need to talk with the server WG about, sgallagh is here so maybe we should do that now? 17:07:55 <samkottler> yep, it's definitely shaping up 17:08:02 <samkottler> I've been trying to spend an hour or so per day on it 17:08:14 <mattdm> awesome. 17:08:42 <mattdm> I'm for starting with talking iwth sgallagh re server/cloud 17:08:48 * number80 gives a kudos to samkottler 17:08:51 <samkottler> we need to figure out the features we're gonna support 17:09:12 <samkottler> the use cases are mostly done, which was a big hurdle 17:10:01 <rbergeron> features to support or features to enable to enable the .. use cases 17:10:02 <mattdm> Do we want to try to hash out some specific thigns while we have everyone here 17:10:11 <mattdm> or should we look at some of the bigger picture things? 17:10:26 <samkottler> rbergeron: yes 17:10:35 <rbergeron> i'm not opposed, though it might be useful to know if any of those things are influenced by the server-ish stuff sgallagh is here for? 17:10:36 <samkottler> both 17:10:49 <samkottler> yeah, let's talk to sgallagh first :-) 17:10:55 <mattdm> sgallagh go! 17:10:57 * sgallagh feels honored 17:11:34 <number80> go sgallagh // right syntax 17:11:39 <sgallagh> The Server WG had its hopefully-final PRD meeting yesterday. We invited jzb and number80 to represent Cloud interests 17:11:59 * sgallagh really wants to make a Zork joke right now 17:12:46 <jzb> sgallagh: what's stopping you? 17:13:19 <sgallagh> I'm stuck in a maze of twisty cubicles, all alike... 17:13:51 <sgallagh> Ok, so there was a lot of discussion yesterday about where the dividing line is for things like OpenStack and OpenShift 17:15:15 <mattdm> I think that right now at least, cloud is focused on guest images and excludes openstack execution nodes 17:15:25 <sgallagh> that was our sense as well 17:15:39 <mattdm> that might change in the future, but leaves "runs in virt" as a common thread 17:15:58 <sgallagh> we proposed that OpenStack nodes should be a Server Role, possibly contributed by this group 17:16:17 <sgallagh> but "owned" by server 17:16:39 <samkottler> I think that's always been the assumption 17:16:48 <samkottler> the hypervisor'ish stuff would be owned by server 17:17:03 <mattdm> any dissent? speak now. :) 17:17:32 <sgallagh> That's been my assumption, but there was a lot of discussion about it yesterday 17:18:09 <sgallagh> It's also ambiguous where "managing an OpenShift deployment" belongs. 17:18:10 <jzb> sgallagh: more or less, though I sort of envisoned OpenStack nodes as closer to the server side than cloud side. 17:18:39 <sgallagh> jzb: I agree, but it's fair to say that the implementation will need to involve Cloud heavily 17:18:53 <jzb> sgallagh: indeed 17:19:15 <mattdm> I thik there's room to have some overlap. You can do e.g., a web server or web application in _either_ a cloud paradigm (<-bingo!) or the traditional server way. 17:19:22 <sgallagh> Why don't we turn the conversation around a bit. I had jzb and number80 in our meeting to answer our questions. Why don't you raise your own for us. 17:19:32 <jzb> yay! 17:19:38 * jzb tries to think of a stumper 17:20:05 <sgallagh> Where do you guys see ambiguity in our missions? 17:20:08 <rbergeron> ask something about configuration management or orchestration tools :) 17:20:19 <jzb> that is a good Q 17:20:28 <sgallagh> rbergeron: Config management is clearly in our laps 17:20:51 <sgallagh> "Orchestration tools" is a harder question 17:21:09 <rbergeron> I think the biggest source of ambiguity is that people equate "openstack" (and all the others) with cloud and i can see how that might be cause for misdirected questions. 17:21:09 <mattdm> sgallagh I think some of the ambiguity is that we're both doing "here's a base thing which can be adapted for different roles". 17:21:12 <samkottler> stuff like mesos blurs the lines 17:21:16 <sgallagh> We've got a use case for orchestration of containers, but that's not a complete answer 17:21:17 <mattdm> rbergeron that too 17:21:38 <mattdm> for server, it's the base platform plus application stacks 17:21:46 <mattdm> for cloud it's... well, possibly the same thing. 17:21:47 <sgallagh> "Server Roles" 17:22:26 <rbergeron> Logging? Things like checkpoint/restore? Storage (gluster or other cloud-ish storage)? Are we going to try and ... match up where we can on things? Or... "you can go your own wayyyyyyyyyyyy" 17:23:13 <sgallagh> logging is a much more complex question than a single word. 17:23:25 <samkottler> I think we can safely draw the line at 'do you need this thing on a physical machine' 17:23:32 <samkottler> logging is a yes and storage is a yes 17:23:35 <sgallagh> Checkpoint/restore is probably not all that useful to Cloud images, since you're aiming for mostly-disposable anyway, yes? 17:23:37 <samkottler> at least in my view 17:23:47 <mattdm> sgallagh right 17:23:50 <samkottler> yeah 17:24:01 <jzb> samkottler: if the users are doing it right 17:24:01 <mattdm> I think we want to keep the line more at cattle/pets than hw/virt 17:24:01 <rbergeron> sgallagh: processes running and such? i don't know 17:24:09 <samkottler> although people run stuff like...database servers in the cloud, too 17:24:10 <rbergeron> moving vm's and such 17:24:10 <jzb> sorry that was for sgallagh 17:24:26 <jzb> sgallagh: from working on CloudStack, I found a lot of questions around snapshotting/restore. 17:24:50 <samkottler> people do care about their instances being easy to restore 17:24:54 <number80> (sorry, got disturbed by coworkers) 17:24:59 <jzb> sgallagh: it's also used a lot to create a golden image. Spin one up, modify, then snapshot -> template 17:25:04 <samkottler> even just from a convenience perspective 17:25:13 <samkottler> jzb: :/ but yeah, common 17:25:34 <mattdm> but we expect the cloud env to hande that, right? 17:25:40 <jzb> in other words, ideally, no - we generally not care. In the real world, we do. 17:25:44 <jzb> mattdm: yes. 17:25:48 <samkottler> it's a hypervisor thing anyhow 17:26:09 <number80> yup 17:26:10 <jzb> samkottler: it's a hz thing except that the IaaS exposes the hz features. 17:26:17 <sgallagh> I'm not sure the PRDs need to be exhaustive either 17:26:26 <rbergeron> jzb: ah, that's a dandy point there 17:26:33 <sgallagh> It's probably worth noting that individual implementation goals can be solved through collaboration 17:27:04 <samkottler> jzb: like in the case where a guest requests a snapshot of itself? 17:27:14 <sgallagh> I'm not sure it's sensible or feasible to enumerate every possible aspect of the implementation. 17:27:30 * rbergeron needs to snapshot/restore her soda. where did it disappear to? ugh 17:27:39 <jzb> samkottler: I was thinking when a user uses the API or UI to create one. 17:27:53 <rbergeron> sgallagh: just trying to make sure we're not missing anything significant in overlap so just suggesting All The Things 17:27:54 <sgallagh> I view "ownership" of these areas as more of shepherding than dictating. 17:27:57 <samkottler> let's move on with the general understanding of were the line stands 17:27:59 <jzb> samkottler: again, I ran into a lot of users who basically used the IaaS as Advanced Virtualization 17:27:59 <mattdm> sgallagh +1 17:28:03 <number80> sgallagh: +1 17:28:06 <jzb> sgallagh: +1 17:28:45 <mattdm> If we can do it without confusion, I would like to steer users who are interested in IaaS-as-server-in-the-sky towards using Fedora Server rather than the cloud image 17:28:52 <sgallagh> I'm sure as hell not going to make a decision on a major change to hypervisor tech without consulting this team, for example. 17:28:52 <mattdm> but that might be hard to message. 17:28:57 <samkottler> do we want to do a vote on the line or just move forward with everyone in agreement? 17:29:21 <jzb> mattdm: I always looked at it as, they can start using the tool the wrong way and learn to do it right 17:29:21 <sgallagh> Just as one more aside: 17:29:36 <sgallagh> One thing that came up yesterday that I'd like to have buy-in from both sides is this: 17:29:38 <jzb> mattdm: so if they adopt OpenStack/CloudStack/Euca, it makes it easier to learn the right habits eventually. 17:30:09 <sgallagh> We need to share a "Universe" package repository, so that if someone installs the base cloud image, they will be able to "yum install fedora-server-release" and have any and all capabilities that Server offers (such as Roles) 17:30:46 <sgallagh> The subtext being: we are not producing disparate Fedora repositories (excepting the install media) 17:31:02 <mattdm> Okay, that's an interesting one. Maybe we should make that explicit in the PRD? 17:31:03 <number80> separate repositories would only make things worse (think RPM hell dependencies) 17:31:18 <mattdm> I mean, yes, I think there needs to be a universal repo 17:31:33 <mattdm> the question is: is going from cloud base -> server an expected normal path? 17:31:35 <geppetto> sgallagh: So is the intention that people can/will be able to install multiple *-release packages? 17:31:35 <jzb> sgallagh: as yesterday, agreed 17:31:52 <jzb> sgallagh: I think there may have been some accidental FUD that the idea of separate repos even surfaced. 17:31:53 <mattdm> what about the other way around? (I think it might be okay to define this as a one-way path) 17:31:55 <sgallagh> geppetto: I don't want to make a general statement on that. 17:32:14 <sgallagh> I'm fine with "Cloud can become Server" and not the reverse (or Server->Workstation, etc.) 17:32:14 <mattdm> you can adopt one of your cattle as a pet. but you can't really send your kitty out to live in the herd. 17:32:40 <sgallagh> mattdm: My parents told me they sent my dog to the farm. Are you telling me they lied? 17:33:24 <sgallagh> jzb: Right, but the separate repos is related, but not the whole statement I was just making. 17:33:36 <geppetto> sgallagh: Why not server => cloud? 17:33:56 <jzb> mattdm: my cats agree 17:34:11 <samkottler> server to cloud makes perfect sense IMO 17:34:12 <sgallagh> geppetto: I'm not ruling it out. But I don't know if I see obvious value there, unless I misunderstand your target 17:34:18 <rbergeron> i may be confused here - i sort thought people were like 17:34:20 <rbergeron> moving from the server 17:34:21 <rbergeron> to the cloud 17:34:34 <samkottler> rbergeron: well the intermediate is just taking a server and putting it on kvm/xen 17:34:43 <rbergeron> samkottler: right, babysteps 17:34:58 * samkottler thinks a server to cloud path is necessary 17:35:03 <sgallagh> My initial statement was merely this: You want to virtualize/containerize/stick in public IaaS some of your critical infra. 17:35:09 <samkottler> which basically involves virtio drivers, cloud-init, whatever else 17:35:25 <number80> sgallagh: you mean having a p2v like tool ? 17:35:29 <sgallagh> You can spin up the Amazon Fedora Cloud instance and then easily make that become a Server instance with the frameworks we provide 17:35:48 <sgallagh> number80: Really not talking that level of detail at the moment. 17:36:10 <number80> ok 17:36:14 <mattdm> this is traditional server -> server-in-the-sky. that's fine, but server-in-the-sky isn't necessarily Fedora Cloud 17:36:17 <mattdm> is my thinking. 17:36:18 <sgallagh> Merely that a machine (virtual or not) installed from the Cloud Image can *become* a "full" Server install simply through yum/dnf/packagekit 17:36:45 <mattdm> in order to really migrate to take advantage of cloud computing, you rearchitect. 17:37:01 <number80> my POV is that fedora-cloud is basically a trimmed-down image on which you can install whatever "role" you wish too 17:37:12 <sgallagh> mattdm: Well, no matter what, you'll still probably want a fairly traditional Domain Controller and DNS environment 17:37:18 <sgallagh> But that's a different discussion 17:37:47 <jzb> number80: agreed, but there may also be roles that make sense only in the cloud. 17:37:49 <mattdm> number80 and Fedora Cloud provides some cloud-computing-focused roles, and a way to go to fedora server for roles that aren't necessarily covered but still always useful 17:37:59 <number80> jzb: +1 17:38:29 <samkottler> so assuming here's a universe what makes so directly separating the roles necessary? 17:38:53 <samkottler> I guess my disconnect is why I wouldn't say...install freeipa on a cloud instance just like I would on a regular box in a DC 17:39:25 <sgallagh> samkottler: You can. But we're (Server) going to be doing some additional packaging work to make role deployment simpler 17:39:25 <mattdm> okay, so: do we want to tie this more closely together and share the roles? 17:39:38 <sgallagh> But it's going to require additional infrastructure that you may or may not want. 17:39:52 <samkottler> sgallagh: ah okay that makes more sense now 17:40:15 <samkottler> so it'd basically expose comps to you or something? 17:40:22 <samkottler> whatever, I get the point, no need to dive so deep 17:40:26 <rbergeron> what are the pieces of a "role" exactly? 17:40:32 <rbergeron> wait, i'm slower than samkottler 17:40:33 <sgallagh> samkottler: Things like interaction with the Cockpit Project so that you could deploy the role with minimal interaction (just answer three questions and go) 17:40:36 <rbergeron> (obviously) 17:40:59 <rbergeron> is a role == set of packages known to work in a specific way? 17:41:05 <rbergeron> together to do something? 17:41:11 <sgallagh> rbergeron: Essentially yes. 17:41:22 <sgallagh> Though our definition of "set of packages" is currently intentionally vague 17:41:42 <sgallagh> Because people get hung up on packaging==rpm 17:41:56 <rbergeron> how does it overlap with something like ... heat templates 17:42:07 <sgallagh> FYI: https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Server/Product_Requirements_Doc… 17:42:12 <jzb> sgallagh: role == software required for a specific task? 17:42:22 <sgallagh> jzb: That's a better description, yes 17:42:36 <rbergeron> or .. docker containers for various pieces of things 17:42:43 <samkottler> rbergeron: it wouldn't orchestrate across-server stuff 17:42:50 <samkottler> just on a single node 17:42:57 <sgallagh> rbergeron: docker containers is one possible packaging implementation (and is being considered) 17:43:58 <rbergeron> samkottler: yeah, but i am just wondering about how to make the "known templating things" out there - which are basically all defining roles of some sort, just implementing them in ways where they can (or can't) be auto-magically scaled 17:44:46 <rbergeron> the perennial wordpress example - do we want a wordpress role (if that's what we're sort of thinking) to look the same as a heat template for wordpress, etc 17:44:49 <samkottler> rbergeron: wouldn't that be closer to config management's realm? 17:44:51 <rbergeron> or not really concerned with that at that point 17:45:10 <rbergeron> samkottler: "best tool for the job" - people are gonna do it however they want :) 17:45:32 <samkottler> I guess separating cfg mgmt from one-time ops isn't really something that you do in say...docker land 17:45:40 <sgallagh> rbergeron: Wordpress is probably not the sort of Role we'd (Server) be most interested in. 17:46:09 <sgallagh> From the Use Cases section of our PRD: Examples may include: FreeIPA Domain Controller, BIND DNS, DHCP, Database server, iSCSI target, File/Storage server, OpenStack Hypervisor Node. 17:46:14 <rbergeron> sgallagh: i know, it's just a sample example . 17:46:36 <sgallagh> I'm pretty much entirely disinterested in treating specific applications as Server Roles 17:46:51 <sgallagh> (others on the WG may have a different opinion on that matter) 17:46:54 <rbergeron> i'm not going to be cruel and bring up triple-o :) 17:47:18 * sgallagh looks forward to quintuple-o. It's the next logical step, right? 17:47:20 <samkottler> rbergeron: SCORN 17:47:30 <rbergeron> okay, i think i get the picture 17:47:32 <rbergeron> sorry to be all questiony 17:47:44 <sgallagh> Questions now are more useful than questions in six months. 17:47:45 * mattdm thinks questiony is very helpful 17:48:37 <mattdm> here's an idea: what if we make server-in-the-sky one of the fedora cloud spins? 17:48:59 <mattdm> right now, we (tentatively) have a generic base, docker, and big data 17:49:00 * rbergeron was going to bring up load balancing but i think we can skip-it 17:49:08 <rbergeron> hmm 17:49:23 <samkottler> but what do you run on the server in the sky? 17:49:28 <mattdm> we could also have one that's basically got the server role-enablement stuff in place. 17:49:30 <samkottler> is it a db server or a IPA server or what 17:49:37 <sgallagh> mattdm: We were probably going to request help implementing this. It's one of our preferred delivery mechanisms. 17:49:52 <sgallagh> samkottler: "Yes" 17:50:12 <number80> how server and server-in-the-sky roles will be different ? 17:50:13 <mattdm> samkottler it's still also a base, but a base tailored for running the Fedora Server roles. 17:50:13 <samkottler> I guess the other issue is that one of the things we might have is a custom kernel build so it might just be bloated 17:50:56 * samkottler will have to think more about what it'd actually look like 17:51:11 <number80> samkottler: didn't the kernel team said that maintaining multiples kernels would be a PITA for them ? 17:51:32 <samkottler> in the meantime we can force people to to ephemeralize data by having jwb remove fsync from our kernel build 17:52:04 <jwb> done 17:52:19 <sgallagh> number80: Yes, they did. I think they were okay with breaking up the module subpackages, but not actual custom kernels. jwb? 17:52:36 <jwb> yeah. i'm already working on splitting up the packaging 17:52:42 <jwb> i have kernel-core and kernel-drivers 17:52:57 <jwb> kernel-core is what you guys keep saying should be the small thing, without actually telling me what you need in it. 17:53:13 <jwb> so right now, it literally just has the contents the kernel RPM puts in /boot. 17:53:21 <jwb> which... won't really work for anyone 17:53:28 <jwb> so. discuss. then inform. 17:53:53 <samkottler> we should probably include a general list of kernel requirements in the PRD 17:54:00 <jwb> \o/ 17:54:26 <samkottler> I think most of the requirements will be 'rip out this giant pile of drivers' 17:54:32 <jwb> (small caveat: it's not actually working perfectly yet, but i am workign on it at least) 17:54:37 <samkottler> so core won't be affected 17:54:43 * number80 gotta go or he'll be ear-raped by the office alarm 17:54:46 <rbergeron> should those kernel requirements inc. networking/ovs-type stuff? 17:54:49 <mattdm> jwb I can help make that more specific. Is there a bug or other place to help track what should actually be in there? 17:54:56 * rbergeron doesn't know that she's seeen networky-stuff anywhere really 17:55:16 <samkottler> rbergeron: I think ovs is in the server realm? 17:56:00 <jwb> mattdm, no bug. we could create one, or just use the kernel list. i have a new copr project i'm going to use to get people to test builds. 17:56:12 <jwb> rbergeron, ovs? 17:56:18 <jwb> oh, open-vswitch? 17:56:18 <samkottler> jwb: openvswitch 17:56:38 <jwb> yeah, we build that. i figured that and the virtio stuff would be good things to have in -core, but beyond that... 17:57:08 <jwb> and if this grows beyond "core", we can call it "base" instead 17:57:25 <mattdm> jwb hah 17:57:32 <rbergeron> samkottler: i do'nt know what's actually needed to be enabled where, but ... i'm pretty sure you would use it to manage gusests / connect them to each other in various ways? 17:58:04 <jwb> mattdm, i wasn't intending a dig. but it would be hard to say e.g. ovs is really "core" functionality 17:59:07 <jwb> and if you get to "do we want a firewall?" then you just grabbed a ton of netfilter drivers, etc 17:59:19 <jwb> which is why i would like you to tell me what you want :) 17:59:35 <jwb> because if it winds up being most of what we already have... then the exercise is rather pointless 17:59:39 <rbergeron> samkottler: http://www.itworld.com/virtualization/335244/rhev-upgrade-saga-rhel-kvm-and… 17:59:40 <samkottler> mattdm: I can work with you on kernel requirements 18:00:00 <mattdm> sounds good. 18:00:37 <rbergeron> anyway: i don't know my head from my ass on this but if it hasn't been thought about at all it might be worth thinking about . or consulting with someone 18:00:57 <rbergeron> who is more in-depth in ovs/neutron/open daylight land 18:01:04 <rbergeron> (mestery, cdub, etc) 18:01:53 * rbergeron shuts up 18:02:05 <mattdm> e.g. also not me. :) 18:02:17 <jwb> you cloud people have names that are amazing at not describing wtf they do 18:02:20 <mattdm> oh look. fesco time! i will keep this window open 18:02:24 * samkottler doesn't know enough about SDN to actually make decisions 18:02:27 <mattdm> jwb openstack is the WORST 18:02:36 <mattdm> it's got some sort of horrible name virus 18:02:52 <rbergeron> lol 18:03:01 <samkottler> jwb: openvswitch is the most descriptive 18:03:04 <samkottler> and it's still crap 18:03:09 <jwb> samkottler, was just going to say that 18:03:21 <jwb> need magic cloud decoder ring 18:03:40 <jwb> anyway, i'm awaiting further direction/discussion 18:03:49 <jwb> and i'd be happy to start spitting out copr builds 18:03:51 <samkottler> jwb: it's simple really...hook your heat up to your nova to route with your neutron to connect to cinder 18:04:02 <samkottler> welp, computers are bad 18:04:11 <jwb> at least they all have something to do with temperature! 18:04:30 * rbergeron notes that heat makes clouds rise (deploy, whatever), but i may have been involved with that naming 18:04:49 <rbergeron> ANYWAY 18:05:02 <samkottler> rbergeron: heat makes it rain 18:05:04 * rbergeron notes the time and things in the interest of decision making or otherwise 18:05:19 <samkottler> okay yeah let's keep it moving 18:05:36 <samkottler> any more PRD stuff that's pressing? 18:05:47 <samkottler> #action mattdm and samkottler to work on getting kernel requirements together for the PRD 18:07:17 <samkottler> bueller? 18:08:03 <samkottler> #topic open floor 18:08:24 <jzb> Nothing here. 18:08:28 <samkottler> so with the centos news and such, there is going to be a cloud SIG for centos 18:08:37 <samkottler> do we want to have some representation with them? 18:08:45 <jzb> samkottler: yes, I think we do. 18:08:57 <samkottler> jzb: twas kind of a loaded question 18:09:15 <samkottler> I've seen the idea of a shared cloud SIG between fedora and centos 18:09:18 <samkottler> what do people think of that? 18:10:01 <jzb> samkottler: would the scope be similar? 18:10:05 <rbergeron> that sounds epic. 18:10:07 <rbergeron> oh, sorry 18:10:09 <rbergeron> LOL 18:10:25 <samkottler> rbergeron++ 18:10:31 <samkottler> jzb: yeah I believe so 18:10:32 <jzb> rbergeron: I see what you did there. 18:10:39 <samkottler> centos might have some good guidance for us 18:10:45 <samkottler> they already build lots of divergent kernels and stuff 18:10:55 <jzb> true true 18:11:23 <jzb> samkottler: what do we need to do to make that happen? 18:11:37 <jwb> samkottler, actually, not lots 18:11:43 <jwb> i've been poking at them 18:11:46 <samkottler> jzb: I guess the big thing is just for people to be looking for convos on centos-devel 18:11:51 <samkottler> and make sure you're subscribed 18:12:15 <jzb> OK 18:12:28 <jwb> at least in my initial conversations, most of their kernels are still based on RHEL with the xen one being the only one i've found that actually diverged at a base kernel level (3.10 iirc) 18:12:36 <jwb> and their reasons were decent 18:12:41 * jwb shuts up 18:13:09 <samkottler> jwb: they have someone from citrix who manages the 3.10 builds? 18:13:17 <samkottler> the core team doesn't do it 18:13:34 <jwb> samkottler, yep 18:13:57 <samkottler> gotcha 18:14:02 <samkottler> well that's all I've got for the open floor 18:14:14 <samkottler> more PRD work to be done, but we're getting closer 18:14:27 <samkottler> jzb: rbergeron: mattdm: number80: geppetto: anything else? 18:14:38 <geppetto> nope 18:14:57 <jzb> samkottler: nope 18:15:09 <samkottler> #endmeeting ========================================== #fedora-meeting-1: cloud WG weekly meeting ========================================== Meeting started by samkottler at 17:01:57 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-01-15/fedora-meeting… . Meeting summary --------------- * rollcall (samkottler, 17:03:30) * PRD update and pending issues (samkottler, 17:07:14) * ACTION: mattdm and samkottler to work on getting kernel requirements together for the PRD (samkottler, 18:05:47) * open floor (samkottler, 18:08:03) Meeting ended at 18:15:09 UTC. 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Meeting minutes Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2014-01-14)
by Marcela Mašláňová 15 Jan '14

15 Jan '14

=============================================== #fedora-meeting: env and stacks wg (2014-01-14) =============================================== Meeting started by mmaslano at 16:04:30 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-01-14/env_and_stacks.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (mmaslano, 16:08:53) * AGREED: add tjanez vission and mission statement (+7,-0,0) (mmaslano, 16:21:13) * ACTION: tjanez will add section about vision and mission statement (mmaslano, 16:22:00) * schedule will contain dates, not the actual PRD (mmaslano, 16:37:52) * ACTION: abadger1999 to send out RFC about the SCL direction (abadger1999, 17:36:26) Meeting ended at 17:47:34 UTC. Action Items ------------ * tjanez will add section about vision and mission statement * abadger1999 to send out RFC about the SCL direction Action Items, by person ----------------------- * abadger1999 * abadger1999 to send out RFC about the SCL direction * tjanez * tjanez will add section about vision and mission statement * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * abadger1999 (48) * tjanez (48) * mmaslano (33) * hhorak (23) * pkovar (15) * drieden (15) * jwb (8) * zodbot (6) * samkottler (3) * pkovar1 (1) * pingou (1) * bkabrda (0) * juhp (0) * handsome_pirate (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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FAmNA Jan 14th 2014
by Jon 14 Jan '14

14 Jan '14

====================== #fedora-meeting: FAmNA ====================== Meeting started by masta at 02:02:00 UTC. The full logs are available athttp://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-01-15/famna.2014-01-… . Meeting summary --------------- * === FAmNA Roll Call === (masta, 02:02:00) * === Announcements === (masta, 02:05:37) * === Tickets === (masta, 02:09:39) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 (masta, 02:09:40) * Ticket #68 - FAmNA Meeting Organization (masta, 02:10:31) * === New swag ideas === (masta, 02:13:35) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Swag_vendors (inode0, 02:39:06) * ACTION: masta to engage on the t-shirts (masta, 02:48:17) * === open floor === (masta, 02:52:48) Meeting ended at 03:04:08 UTC. Action Items ------------ * masta to engage on the t-shirts Action Items, by person ----------------------- * masta * masta to engage on the t-shirts * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * masta (73) * inode0 (57) * award3535 (34) * kk4ewt (9) * zodbot (8) * wrnash1 (6) * nb (5) --Jon Disnard irc: masta fas: parasense

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Re: [Ambassadors] REMINDER French Fedora Meeting Today #fedora-meeting-1
by Emmanuel Seyman 14 Jan '14

14 Jan '14

* Reminder [14/01/2014 08:30] : > > Ce mail est un rappel pour la réunion de la communauté francophone, > qui aura lieu ce mardi (14 janvier) à 21h00 heure de Paris sur > IRC (freenode) #fedora-meeting-1 . Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-01-14/fedora-fr.2014… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-01-14/fedora-fr.2014… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-01-14/fedora-fr.2014… Emmanuel

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Server WG Meeting Minutes (2014-01-14)
by Stephen Gallagher 14 Jan '14

14 Jan '14

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 =================================================================== #fedora-meeting-1: Server Working Group Weekly Meeting (2014-01-14) =================================================================== Meeting started by sgallagh at 15:59:51 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-01-14/fedora-meeting… . Meeting summary - --------------- * roll call (sgallagh, 16:00:00) * PRD Draft (sgallagh, 16:06:04) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Server/Product_Requirements_Doc… (sgallagh, 16:07:13) * Positioning relative to Fedora Cloud (sgallagh, 16:08:33) * AGREED: remove use-case 7, move OpenStack Hypervisor Node reference to proposed Roles list (sgallagh, 16:55:00) * AGREED: Use case 8 remains as written (sgallagh, 17:08:38) * Use Case 6: Env/Stacks and deployment of frameworks (sgallagh, 17:09:14) * AGREED: drop "easy deployment of a framework" from our charter (sgallagh, 17:20:05) * FIXME for headless operation (sgallagh, 17:20:30) * AGREED: New use-case: "10. The user must be able to install and manage Fedora Server in a headless mode where the display framework is inactive." (sgallagh, 17:31:29) * Open Floor (sgallagh, 17:31:51) Meeting ended at 17:42:38 UTC. Action Items - ------------ Action Items, by person - ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) - --------------------------- * sgallagh (146) * simo (95) * davidstrauss (54) * mitr (52) * jzb (37) * mizmo (37) * nirik (35) * adamw (12) * tuanta (10) * zodbot (9) * number80 (4) * Evolution (3) * danofsatx (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlLVd3IACgkQeiVVYja6o6OI3gCeJ7+P7P6HhMfqflZpgYudwZNW iwYAnRmdMkq3BDv6uXXt8Et3V2aU06Zl =7f+Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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