Notification time stamped 2018-09-25 14:11:10 UTC
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#fedora-meeting: Fedora Marketing Meeting (2018-09-25)
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Meeting started by bt0 at 13:11:28 UTC. The full logs are available at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2018-09-25/fedora_marketin…
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Meeting summary
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* Agenda (bt0, 13:12:34)
* (1) Roll call / Q&A (bt0, 13:12:48)
* (2) Announcements (bt0, 13:12:48)
* (3) Action items from last meeting (bt0, 13:12:48)
* (4) Tickets (bt0, 13:12:48)
* (5) Open floor (bt0, 13:12:48)
* Roll call / Q&A (bt0, 13:13:44)
* Eduard Lucena; UTC-3; Marketing, Magazine, Ambassadors and stuff
(x3mboy, 13:14:32)
* Name; Timezone; Sub-projects/Interest Areas (bt0, 13:14:36)
* Ben Cotton; UTC-4; FPgM (bcotton, 13:14:43)
* Alberto Rodriguez S; UTC-5;CommOps (Metrics, Community engagement),
DotNet (Testing), Infrastructure(Apprentice), Marketing (Member),
Ambassadors (Member), Join,Cats (lover) (bt0, 13:15:22)
* Community announcements (bt0, 13:17:46)
* Test Day: Java 8,10,11 (bt0, 13:19:22)
* LINK: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/test-day-java-81011/
(bt0, 13:19:36)
* FPgM report: 2018–38 (bt0, 13:19:54)
* LINK: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fpgm-report-2018-38/
(bt0, 13:20:05)
* Changes to the packaging guidelines (bt0, 13:20:31)
* LINK:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@lists.fedorapr…
(bt0, 13:20:41)
* Fedora 29 Status (bt0, 13:21:12)
* Beta RC5 is GO for release on 2018-09-25 (bt0, 13:21:28)
* Tasks from past meeting (bt0, 13:27:28)
* Minutes from previous meeting are here:
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/marketing/marketing.2018-09-18-13.0…
(bt0, 13:27:55)
* bt0 will take content from developer.fp.o to generate some content
for the infographic due 2018-09-22, reassigning (bt0, 13:29:28)
* ACTION: bt0 will take content from developer.fp.o to generate some
content for the infographic due 2018-09-30 (bt0, 13:29:56)
* ACTION: bt0 will promote the use of fedocal in regional ambassadors
meetings due 2018-09-30 (bt0, 13:30:18)
* x3mboy will work on a strategy to work in videos (bt0, 13:30:39)
* ACTION: x3mboy will work on a strategy to work in videos (bt0,
13:31:36)
* ACTION: x3mboy will write a fedocal's guide in commblog (bt0,
13:31:56)
* [Completed] bcotton to add call for help on release announcement to
FPgM update this week (bt0, 13:32:26)
* Tickets (bt0, 13:33:58)
* LINK:
https://pagure.io/fedora-marketing/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting
(bt0, 13:34:41)
* Ticket #263 Fedora events page for the general public (bt0, 13:35:56)
* LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-marketing/issue/263 (bt0, 13:36:13)
* Ticket #277 [Suggestion] Weekly Content for Social Media (bt0,
13:37:50)
* LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-marketing/issue/277 (bt0, 13:38:18)
* LINK: https://pagure.io/design/issue/614 (bt0, 13:39:43)
* LINK: https://podman.io/ (cverna, 13:40:39)
* AGREED: bt0 will update the design ticket with podman content (bt0,
13:45:08)
* ACTION: bt0 will update the design ticket with podman content (bt0,
13:45:20)
* Ticket #281 F29 Talking Points (bt0, 13:47:05)
* LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-marketing/issue/281 (bt0, 13:47:10)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_29_talking_points
(bt0, 13:49:20)
Meeting ended at 14:11:10 UTC.
Action Items
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* bt0 will take content from developer.fp.o to generate some content for
the infographic due 2018-09-30
* bt0 will promote the use of fedocal in regional ambassadors meetings
due 2018-09-30
* x3mboy will work on a strategy to work in videos
* x3mboy will write a fedocal's guide in commblog
* bt0 will update the design ticket with podman content
Action Items, by person
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* bt0
* bt0 will take content from developer.fp.o to generate some content
for the infographic due 2018-09-30
* bt0 will promote the use of fedocal in regional ambassadors meetings
due 2018-09-30
* bt0 will update the design ticket with podman content
* x3mboy
* x3mboy will work on a strategy to work in videos
* x3mboy will write a fedocal's guide in commblog
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
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* x3mboy (46)
* cverna (22)
* stickster (19)
* zodbot (16)
* bcotton (13)
* mboddu (6)
* nirik (2)
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* relrod (2)
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Notification time stamped 2018-09-24 18:44:28 UTC
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#fedora-blocker-review: F29-blocker-review
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Meeting started by adamw at 16:05:31 UTC. The full logs are available at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-blocker-review/2018-09-24/f29-bloc…
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Meeting summary
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* Roll Call (adamw, 16:05:31)
* Introduction (adamw, 16:14:43)
* Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and
nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor
the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have
bugs. (adamw, 16:14:43)
* We'll be following the process outlined at: (adamw, 16:14:43)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting
(adamw, 16:14:45)
* The bugs up for review today are available at: (adamw, 16:14:45)
* LINK: http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current (adamw,
16:14:47)
* The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at: (adamw,
16:14:49)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Basic_Release_Criteria
(adamw, 16:14:51)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_29_Beta_Release_Criteria
(adamw, 16:14:53)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_29_Final_Release_Criteria
(adamw, 16:14:57)
* 9 Proposed Blockers (adamw, 16:14:59)
* 8 Accepted Blockers (adamw, 16:15:01)
* 1 Accepted Previous Release Blockers (adamw, 16:15:03)
* 3 Proposed Freeze Exceptions (adamw, 16:15:05)
* coremodule will secretarialize (adamw, 16:15:16)
* starting with proposed Final blockers (adamw, 16:15:26)
* (1625645) selinux prevents loading of anything inside /etc/cron.d
(adamw, 16:15:30)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1625645 (adamw,
16:15:30)
* Proposed Blocker, cronie, ASSIGNED (adamw, 16:15:30)
* AGREED: 1625645 - punt (delay decision) - no criterion has yet been
proposed that would cover this, but we are still a bit concerned
about it and willing to give it another week for further
investigation and potential criteria proposals before rejecting
(adamw, 16:37:44)
* (1631002) gnome-control-center stuck and starts consume memory
abnormally if I try to change the background or lock screen image.
(adamw, 16:37:52)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1631002 (adamw,
16:37:52)
* Proposed Blocker, gnome-control-center, NEW (adamw, 16:37:52)
* AGREED: 1631002 - punt (delay decision) - this one is a bit marginal
as to whether it's bad enough to violate the default application or
panel criteria. we will delay the decision to allow time for some
more testing by other people to 'find the edges' (adamw, 17:00:20)
* (1625142) In Gnome Wayland, forward-key-event does not work well,
breaks space key completely (adamw, 17:00:29)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1625142 (adamw,
17:00:29)
* Proposed Blocker, gnome-shell, NEW (adamw, 17:00:29)
* AGREED: 1625142 - punt (delay decision) - we'd like some more
information on exactly when this happens, and particularly if
ibus-typing-booster is used by default for any language, before
making a decision (adamw, 17:14:23)
* (1629409) switching to tty2 then back to gdm results in hang, gdm must
be restarted (adamw, 17:14:29)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1629409 (adamw,
17:14:29)
* Proposed Blocker, gnome-shell, NEW (adamw, 17:14:29)
* AGREED: 1629409 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - we consider this to be
infringing "All applications that can be launched using the standard
graphical mechanism of a release-blocking desktop after a default
installation of that desktop must start successfully and withstand a
basic functionality test", with gdm treated as an 'application' and
"surviving a VT switch" as "basic functionality" (adamw, 17:27:53)
* (1630899) unmounting ISO in Nautilus crashes gnome-shell and kills a
wayland session (adamw, 17:28:09)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1630899 (adamw,
17:28:09)
* Proposed Blocker, gnome-shell, NEW (adamw, 17:28:09)
* AGREED: 1630899 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - this is accepted as a
violation of "All applications that can be launched using the
standard graphical mechanism of a release-blocking desktop after a
default installation of that desktop must start successfully and
withstand a basic functionality test", unmounting a device seems
like 'basic functionality' for nautilus (adamw, 17:34:54)
* (1630943) laptop with lid closed and external monitor can't log in to
wayland session (adamw, 17:35:06)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1630943 (adamw,
17:35:06)
* Proposed Blocker, gnome-shell, NEW (adamw, 17:35:06)
* AGREED: 1630943 - punt (delay decision) - we think this is
potentially a blocker, but would like some more data on how common
it is first (i.e. tests with other laptops and monitors) (adamw,
17:44:00)
* (1626862) Broken Fedora/Windows dualboot (adamw, 17:47:13)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1626862 (adamw,
17:47:13)
* Proposed Blocker, grub2, NEW (adamw, 17:47:13)
* AGREED: 1626862 - punt (delay decision) - as this bug seems to be
system-specific in some way, we need more information to make a
decision. we will ask pjones how frantisek can proceed from here to
figure out what the problem is (adamw, 17:55:48)
* (1631533) dnf and packagekitd can crash when libdnf swdb is locked by
another process (adamw, 17:55:57)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1631533 (adamw,
17:55:57)
* Proposed Blocker, libdnf, NEW (adamw, 17:55:57)
* AGREED: 1631533 - RejectedBlocker (Final) - for now, this doesn't
seem to actually cause any permanent problems or really impair the
system's ability to install software, it's just a transient ugly
error. if we find it can cause permanent issues we'll revisit
(adamw, 18:18:16)
* (1630367) gnome session crashes after a VT switch (on X11 with
multiple monitors) (adamw, 18:18:38)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1630367 (adamw,
18:18:38)
* Proposed Blocker, xorg-x11-server, NEW (adamw, 18:18:38)
* End of proposed Final blockers (adamw, 18:41:33)
* that's all the proposed Final blockers (adamw, 18:41:39)
* moving onto accepted blockers (adamw, 18:41:45)
* folks are out of time, so we will skip the accepted blocker review
for this week, adamw will look through them after the meeting
(adamw, 18:42:47)
* Open floor (adamw, 18:42:53)
Meeting ended at 18:44:28 UTC.
Action Items
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Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* cmurf (96)
* Southern_Gentlem (36)
* bcotton (36)
* sgallagh (18)
* mclasen (15)
* zodbot (11)
* coremodule (7)
* jlanda (6)
* kalev (5)
* mkolman (3)
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Notification time stamped 2018-09-24 16:07:59 UTC
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#fedora-meeting: Fedora QA Meeting
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Meeting started by adamw at 15:01:33 UTC. The full logs are available at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2018-09-24/fedora-qa.2018-…
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Meeting summary
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* Roll call (adamw, 15:01:41)
* Previous meeting follow-up (adamw, 15:14:00)
* no action items from previous meeting (adamw, 15:14:40)
* Fedora 29 status (adamw, 15:14:51)
* Beta was signed off and is shipping tomorrow (adamw, 15:14:58)
* folks have run into a variety of niggles with it, but nothing really
bad was discovered late, happily (adamw, 15:15:16)
* Common Bugs needs creating and writing, i'll do that today (adamw,
15:18:16)
* Final freeze starts 2018-10-09 (adamw, 15:20:58)
* Final go/no-go is scheduled for 2018-10-18 (adamw, 15:21:15)
* Proposed release criteria discussion (optical discs, printing, fwraid)
(adamw, 15:32:57)
* the current proposals were discussed, we don't have enough people
present to form a clear decision on accepting any particular
proposal, so we just talked through them for a while (adamw,
15:53:06)
* Test Day status (adamw, 15:53:52)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2018-09-20_Silverblue_Testday
-- saw fairly good amount of testing with about 70+ testers. We have
Java 8,10,11 test day coming up on 2018-09-26
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2018-09-26:java_8,_10_and_11_testday.
(sumantro, 15:53:54)
* Silverblue Test Day had a good turnout with 70+ testers (adamw,
15:56:03)
* Java (09-26), Cloud/Atomic (10-01), DNF (10-03) and GNOME 3.30
(10-05) are all coming up (adamw, 15:56:29)
* Open floor (adamw, 15:59:38)
* ACTION: adamw to work on better meeting time management (adamw,
15:59:56)
* ACTION: adamw to make sure jlanda's PRs on fedora-qa get reviewed
(adamw, 16:06:14)
Meeting ended at 16:07:59 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* adamw to work on better meeting time management
* adamw to make sure jlanda's PRs on fedora-qa get reviewed
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* adamw
* adamw to work on better meeting time management
* adamw to make sure jlanda's PRs on fedora-qa get reviewed
* jlanda
* adamw to make sure jlanda's PRs on fedora-qa get reviewed
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* adamw (84)
* cmurf (36)
* Southern_Gentlem (15)
* jlanda (14)
* sumantro (10)
* zodbot (6)
* coremodule (6)
* bcotton (1)
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Notification time stamped 2018-09-24 15:05:58 UTC
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#fedora-meeting-1: FESCO (2018-09-24)
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Meeting started by zbyszek at 15:00:22 UTC. The full logs are available
at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2018-09-24/fesco.2018-09…
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Meeting summary
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* init process (zbyszek, 15:00:25)
* Next week's chair (zbyszek, 15:02:14)
* Open Floor (zbyszek, 15:02:21)
* ACTION: zbyszek will chair next meeting (zbyszek, 15:04:16)
Meeting ended at 15:05:58 UTC.
Action Items
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* zbyszek will chair next meeting
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* zbyszek
* zbyszek will chair next meeting
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* zbyszek (20)
* zodbot (13)
* contyk (4)
* sgallagh (3)
* nirik (3)
* bowlofeggs (3)
* maxamillion (2)
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Notification time stamped 2018-09-20 18:04:18 UTC
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#fedora-meeting-1: F29 Beta Go/No-Go meeting
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Meeting started by bcotton at 17:00:25 UTC. The full logs are available
at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2018-09-20/f29-beta-go_n…
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Meeting summary
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* Roll Call (bcotton, 17:00:36)
* Purpose of this meeting (bcotton, 17:03:40)
* Purpose of this meeting is to check whether or not F29 Beta is ready
for shipment, according to the release criteria. (bcotton,
17:03:48)
* This is determined in a few ways: (bcotton, 17:03:49)
* 1. No remaining blocker bugs (bcotton, 17:03:56)
* 2. Release candidate compose is available (bcotton, 17:03:57)
* 3. Test matrices for Beta are fully completed (bcotton, 17:03:59)
* LINK:
https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/29/beta/buglist
(bcotton, 17:04:08)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Fedora_29_Test_Results
(bcotton, 17:04:10)
* Current Status -- blocker bugs (bcotton, 17:04:26)
* LINK:
https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/29/beta/buglist
(bcotton, 17:04:31)
* 2 Proposed Blockers (bcotton, 17:05:34)
* 2 Accepted Blockers (bcotton, 17:05:35)
* (1630134) gnome-shell stuck when I move and drop favorite icon
(bcotton, 17:05:44)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1630134
(bcotton, 17:05:46)
* Proposed Blocker, gnome-shell, VERIFIED (bcotton, 17:05:47)
* BZ 1630134 is fixed in RC5 (bcotton, 17:06:54)
* AGREED: 1630134 - RejectedBlocker (Beta) AcceptedFreezeException
(Beta) - this is rejected as a blocker as it does not violate any
beta criteria, but it is an easily-encounterable GNOME crasher so
accepted as an FE (adamw, 17:14:41)
* (1628495) In UEFI mode, Fedora 29 cannot be installed in Safe Graphics
Mode (bcotton, 17:14:56)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1628495
(bcotton, 17:14:57)
* Proposed Blocker, xorg-x11-server, NEW (bcotton, 17:14:59)
* AGREED: 1628495 - RejectedBlocker (Beta) AcceptedFreezeException
(Beta) - this seems to be limited in impact and has not yet been
demonstrated to render any real system incapable of reaching the
installer. also it may not technically violate the criterion, as the
boot menu does function as intended. It is accepted as an FE issue
as improving the success rate of basic mode would at least possibly
be helpful (adamw, 17:24:59)
* (1629378) Trying to start dnfdragora causes an error in dnfdaemon and
the program cannot continue (bcotton, 17:25:31)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1629378
(bcotton, 17:25:33)
* Accepted Blocker, dnfdaemon, VERIFIED (bcotton, 17:25:34)
* Fixed in RC4 (bcotton, 17:28:40)
* (1629340) PackageKit update crashes at end of transaction with
"TransactionItem state is not set: grub2-tools-1:2.02-57.fc29.x86_64"
(bcotton, 17:30:55)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1629340
(bcotton, 17:30:56)
* Accepted Blocker, libdnf, ON_QA (bcotton, 17:30:58)
* Fixed in RC4 (bcotton, 17:31:41)
* Current status - Release candidate compose is available (bcotton,
17:32:30)
* RC4 and RC5 are available as options (bcotton, 17:34:26)
* neither has outstanding blockers (adamw, 17:34:40)
* RC5 includes a Silverblue installer image, RC4 does not (adamw,
17:35:20)
* RC5 includes fixes for several GNOME bugs that RC4 does not (adamw,
17:36:15)
* RC5 fixes https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1628462,
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1631068 and
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1630134 (mboddu,
17:36:26)
* LINK:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org/…
has a list of the bugs fixed (adamw, 17:37:40)
* Current status - Test coverage (bcotton, 17:40:05)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Fedora_29_Test_Results
(bcotton, 17:40:13)
* LINK: https://www.happyassassin.net/testcase_stats/29/ (bcotton,
17:40:46)
* test coverage between RC4 and RC5 is effectively complete (one
upgrade test is from RC3 with a known bug that is rejected as
blocker, AD join tests are from RC1, we are happy that these have
not changed in RC4/RC5) (adamw, 17:50:23)
* RC5 test coverage seems sufficient to be quite confident it has no
unexpected regressions compared to RC4 (adamw, 17:50:44)
* Go/No-Go decision (bcotton, 17:52:06)
* AGREED: Fedora 29 Beta is GO with RC5 (bcotton, 17:55:43)
* Fedora 29 Beta will release on 2018-09-25 (bcotton, 17:56:10)
* ACTION: bcotton to announce decision (bcotton, 17:56:24)
* Open floor (bcotton, 17:56:30)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_29_talking_points
(x3mboy, 17:57:35)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_29_talking_points
(bcotton, 17:57:40)
Meeting ended at 18:04:18 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* bcotton to announce decision
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* bcotton
* bcotton to announce decision
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* cmurf (30)
* lruzicka (29)
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* sgallagh (22)
* x3mboy (20)
* contyk (18)
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* nirik (12)
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