Hello all,
My name is Justin and I mostly hang around with the Community Operations (CommOps) team. I was hoping to follow up on an old discussion started at the 2015-11-10 meeting about a minimal image being provided for Fedora.
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/serversig/serversig.2015-11-10-16.02...
According to the logs, it appears that the consensus was to focus on the server as its own platform, even if it was not the most minimal installation possible. Another Fedora contributor started drafting an article for this back in mid-November in the Fedora Community Blog, but it was never completed. I was hoping to do a little follow-up to see where that discussion was now and if anyone could provide me with information about if a minimal installation will be available in the future or if things will just continue like they always have.
It seems like this might still be a hot discussion topic, so if there have been any recent changes, I would like to publish an update about where things are on the Community Blog. Hopefully someone can share some new info with me about this. Thanks!
-- Cheers, Justin W. Flory jflory7@gmail.com
On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 9:57 PM, Justin W. Flory jflory7@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all,
My name is Justin and I mostly hang around with the Community Operations (CommOps) team. I was hoping to follow up on an old discussion started at the 2015-11-10 meeting about a minimal image being provided for Fedora.
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/serversig/serversig.2015-11-10-16.02.log.html
According to the logs, it appears that the consensus was to focus on the server as its own platform, even if it was not the most minimal installation possible. Another Fedora contributor started drafting an article for this back in mid-November in the Fedora Community Blog, but it was never completed. I was hoping to do a little follow-up to see where that discussion was now and if anyone could provide me with information about if a minimal installation will be available in the future or if things will just continue like they always have.
It seems like this might still be a hot discussion topic, so if there have been any recent changes, I would like to publish an update about where things are on the Community Blog. Hopefully someone can share some new info with me about this. Thanks!
Somewhat better than a tangent, Fedora Cloud Atomic might be what you're after. It's quite minimal. There are several images available for VM use, and an ISO using Anaconda for installation to baremetal (or VM). It's a different deployment/update model (uses rpm-ostree, not dnf or packagekit) though, and depends heavily on Docker containers to add functionality.
I actually would like to see either Fedora Cloud or Fedora Server offer an "atomic" (rpm-ostree) product that isn't as minimal as the current Cloud offering. On baremetal there's a lot of hardware related stuff that's not available and can be finicky to get it working in a container (hdparm, iotop, smartmontools, cryptsetup, firmware blobs, ability to run newer kernels than what's in the currently available tree, etc.) But that's approaching digression.
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On 01/17/2016 11:57 PM, Justin W. Flory wrote:
Hello all,
My name is Justin and I mostly hang around with the Community Operations (CommOps) team. I was hoping to follow up on an old discussion started at the 2015-11-10 meeting about a minimal image being provided for Fedora.
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/serversig/serversig.2015-11-10
- -16.02.log.html
According to the logs, it appears that the consensus was to focus on the server as its own platform, even if it was not the most minimal installation possible. Another Fedora contributor started drafting an article for this back in mid-November in the Fedora Community Blog, but it was never completed. I was hoping to do a little follow-up to see where that discussion was now and if anyone could provide me with information about if a minimal installation will be available in the future or if things will just continue like they always have.
It seems like this might still be a hot discussion topic, so if there have been any recent changes, I would like to publish an update about where things are on the Community Blog. Hopefully someone can share some new info with me about this. Thanks!
Can you make it to our Server SIG meeting tomorrow at 1600 UTC? We can put this on the agenda.
On Monday, January 18, 2016 04:57:27 AM Justin W. Flory wrote:
Hello all,
My name is Justin and I mostly hang around with the Community Operations (CommOps) team. I was hoping to follow up on an old discussion started at the 2015-11-10 meeting about a minimal image being provided for Fedora.
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/serversig/serversig.2015-11-10-16.0 2.log.html
According to the logs, it appears that the consensus was to focus on the server as its own platform, even if it was not the most minimal installation possible. Another Fedora contributor started drafting an article for this back in mid-November in the Fedora Community Blog, but it was never completed. I was hoping to do a little follow-up to see where that discussion was now and if anyone could provide me with information about if a minimal installation will be available in the future or if things will just continue like they always have.
It seems like this might still be a hot discussion topic, so if there have been any recent changes, I would like to publish an update about where things are on the Community Blog. Hopefully someone can share some new info with me about this. Thanks!
Not sure I have all the details or context here. But what would be different to the minimal dislk image we make for arm? Other than extending to x86 arches?
Dennis
On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 11:30 PM, Dennis Gilmore dennis@ausil.us wrote:
On Monday, January 18, 2016 04:57:27 AM Justin W. Flory wrote:
Hello all,
My name is Justin and I mostly hang around with the Community Operations (CommOps) team. I was hoping to follow up on an old discussion started at the 2015-11-10 meeting about a minimal image being provided for Fedora.
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/serversig/serversig.2015-11-10-16.0 2.log.html
According to the logs, it appears that the consensus was to focus on the server as its own platform, even if it was not the most minimal installation possible. Another Fedora contributor started drafting an article for this back in mid-November in the Fedora Community Blog, but it was never completed. I was hoping to do a little follow-up to see where that discussion was now and if anyone could provide me with information about if a minimal installation will be available in the future or if things will just continue like they always have.
It seems like this might still be a hot discussion topic, so if there have been any recent changes, I would like to publish an update about where things are on the Community Blog. Hopefully someone can share some new info with me about this. Thanks!
Not sure I have all the details or context here. But what would be different to the minimal dislk image we make for arm? Other than extending to x86 arches?
From my memory of the discussion it's more about marketing, IE what ships with the Server label. In the minimal ARM image we use the default fedora-release as opposed to a product specific one and also all the standard defaults there like ext4 filesystems rather than XFS.
Peter
On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 05:13:22 AM Peter Robinson wrote:
On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 11:30 PM, Dennis Gilmore dennis@ausil.us wrote:
On Monday, January 18, 2016 04:57:27 AM Justin W. Flory wrote:
Hello all,
My name is Justin and I mostly hang around with the Community Operations (CommOps) team. I was hoping to follow up on an old discussion started at the 2015-11-10 meeting about a minimal image being provided for Fedora.
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/serversig/serversig.2015-11-10-16 .0 2.log.html
According to the logs, it appears that the consensus was to focus on the server as its own platform, even if it was not the most minimal installation possible. Another Fedora contributor started drafting an article for this back in mid-November in the Fedora Community Blog, but it was never completed. I was hoping to do a little follow-up to see where that discussion was now and if anyone could provide me with information about if a minimal installation will be available in the future or if things will just continue like they always have.
It seems like this might still be a hot discussion topic, so if there have been any recent changes, I would like to publish an update about where things are on the Community Blog. Hopefully someone can share some new info with me about this. Thanks!
Not sure I have all the details or context here. But what would be different to the minimal dislk image we make for arm? Other than extending to x86 arches?
From my memory of the discussion it's more about marketing, IE what ships with the Server label. In the minimal ARM image we use the default fedora-release as opposed to a product specific one and also all the standard defaults there like ext4 filesystems rather than XFS.
The sever arm image has fedora-release-server, cockpit, xfs etc and is a minimal Fedora Server install, where the minimal image is a smaller install. I guess the whole thing is very vague. We could do a fedora server vagrant image, or minimal vagrant image, but the latter probably belongs more in the base WG space than the Server WG space
Dennis
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On 01/19/2016 02:07 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 05:13:22 AM Peter Robinson wrote:
On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 11:30 PM, Dennis Gilmore dennis@ausil.us wrote:
On Monday, January 18, 2016 04:57:27 AM Justin W. Flory wrote:
Hello all,
My name is Justin and I mostly hang around with the Community Operations (CommOps) team. I was hoping to follow up on an old discussion started at the 2015-11-10 meeting about a minimal image being provided for Fedora.
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/serversig/serversig.2015-11-10-16
.0
2.log.html
According to the logs, it appears that the consensus was to focus on the server as its own platform, even if it was not the most minimal installation possible. Another Fedora contributor started drafting an article for this back in mid-November in the Fedora Community Blog, but it was never completed. I was hoping to do a little follow-up to see where that discussion was now and if anyone could provide me with information about if a minimal installation will be available in the future or if things will just continue like they always have.
It seems like this might still be a hot discussion topic, so if there have been any recent changes, I would like to publish an update about where things are on the Community Blog. Hopefully someone can share some new info with me about this. Thanks!
Not sure I have all the details or context here. But what would be different to the minimal dislk image we make for arm? Other than extending to x86 arches?
From my memory of the discussion it's more about marketing, IE what ships with the Server label. In the minimal ARM image we use the default fedora-release as opposed to a product specific one and also all the standard defaults there like ext4 filesystems rather than XFS.
The sever arm image has fedora-release-server, cockpit, xfs etc and is a minimal Fedora Server install, where the minimal image is a smaller install. I guess the whole thing is very vague. We could do a fedora server vagrant image, or minimal vagrant image, but the latter probably belongs more in the base WG space than the Server WG space
Right, what the Server SIG decided was that we were going to draw a line in the sand and declare that we would only call something "Fedora Server" if it met certain minimum functionality (which includes Cockpit, rolekit, etc.)
A minimal image could still be produced by someone (Base WG, Minimal SIG, etc.) but would not be permitted to carry the name Fedora Server (and would not be the Server SIG's responsibility).
On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 02:15:41PM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
Right, what the Server SIG decided was that we were going to draw a line in the sand and declare that we would only call something "Fedora Server" if it met certain minimum functionality (which includes Cockpit, rolekit, etc.)
From a branding perspective, I wholeheartedly endorse this message.
On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 11:22:18PM +0100, Lars Seipel wrote:
On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 02:37:59PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
From a branding perspective, I wholeheartedly endorse this message.
Is there any other perspective these days? ☺
If by "these days" you mean since the invention of language, probably not. :)
On 01/18/2016 04:57 AM, Justin W. Flory wrote:
Hello all,
My name is Justin and I mostly hang around with the Community Operations (CommOps) team. I was hoping to follow up on an old discussion started at the 2015-11-10 meeting about a minimal image being provided for Fedora.
Where can I find information how this "Community Operations (CommOps)" ( New name for the infrastructure team ? ) came about and what role and purpose it's serves in the Fedora community?
JBG
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On 01/19/2016 04:45 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 01/18/2016 04:57 AM, Justin W. Flory wrote:
Hello all,
My name is Justin and I mostly hang around with the Community Operations (CommOps) team. I was hoping to follow up on an old discussion started at the 2015-11-10 meeting about a minimal image being provided for Fedora.
Where can I find information how this "Community Operations (CommOps)" ( New name for the infrastructure team ? ) came about and what role and purpose it's serves in the Fedora community?
For lack of a better term, it's our PR and recruitment team. They're more focused than Marketing was on increasing participation in the Fedora Project. They essentially exist to make people more aware of the *people* in the Fedora Project, not just the deliverables we produce .
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