Fedora 中文組郵件列表 December 2011

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[FZH] 2011 年 12 月 16 日會議記錄
by Caius Chance 16 Dec '11

16 Dec '11

<+zodbot> Meeting ended Fri Dec 16 14:10:51 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . [00:10] <+zodbot> Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2011-12-16/fedora-zh.2011-12-16-… [00:10] <+zodbot> Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2011-12-16/fedora-zh.2011-12-16-… [00:10] <+zodbot> Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2011-12-16/fedora-zh.2011-12-16-… -- *https://profiles.google.com/Caius.Chance*

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[FZH] fedoracommunity 索引頁
by Caius Chance 15 Dec '11

15 Dec '11

初版完成： http://zh.fedoracommunity.org （存放在我的 VPS 上）借用了 fedoracommunity.org 的 html 和 css，暫時的進度： {zh,cn,zht} 共用一頁，現時是在下的拙劣的翻譯，加上是繁體；個人覺得分成三項在維護上也許有困難，不過有待討論。要加入我們各種網上服務，例如：blog, microblog, bbs, Q&A, planet, 等等。我已盡力訂製，然而 img map 上有個問題：鼠標移到地區連結，該地區圖塊不能 hover 顯示高亮；我改了 img src 不過沒有成功，可能我漏了 js 的某行。請拍磚！ Caius Chance me(a)kaio.net

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[FZH] F16 gnome-shell 中 gvim 窗口大小不正常
by Alick Zhao 14 Dec '11

14 Dec '11

Hi all, 我发现在 Fedora 16 中默认桌面环境 gnome shell 里，在终端里输入命令 gvim 启动 GVim 时， gvim 的窗口大小不正常：终端是 80x24时，gvim 的窗口大小本该也是 80x24的，但我*经常* 得到 80x20 的。“经常”是说有时候大小又是对的 :(，我试过一次开多个 gvim 窗口，命令为： gvim; gvim; gvim 一般结果是有的80x24，有的80x20。这个问题我在 vim_use 列表问了，还没有收到解决方法。所以在这里问下诸位有无类似问题。那边的邮件见 [1]，里面有我的更多尝试说明。我的F16是几天前安装的（覆盖旧的F14，保留了旧的 /home）。gvim 是软件源里的 vim-X11 软件包提供的。之所以强调 gnome-shell，是因为我后来（编译）安装了 Fvwm 2.6.3，在里面用 gvim 启动这个我常用的编辑器时，窗口大小就总是正常的。 [1] http://groups.google.com/group/vim_use/browse_thread/thread/d62cc773244b280… -- alick Fedora 16 (Verne) user https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick

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Re: [FZH] [fedoracommunity.org] The filler pics didn't fill up the whole box.
by Caius Chance 13 Dec '11

13 Dec '11

On 13/12/2011, at 9:40 PM, Jared K. Smith wrote: > On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 6:33 AM, Kévin Raymond > <shaiton(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote: >> It could even be the country flag. > > Please, let's not use country flags. There's too much political > tension when we try to use country flags for just about anything in > Fedora. > > -- > Jared Smith > Fedora Project Leader I suggest to use the word of the main language used in the groups, in such language; created as picture form. For example, "French" for French (language) community, "France" for French (region) community. [1] If there are their own traditional calligraphies for the communities it may looks attractive. kaio [1] "中文'" for Chinese (language) community, "中国" for China (region) community, and so on.

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Re: [FZH] [fedoracommunity.org] The filler pics didn't fill up the whole box.
by Caius Chance 12 Dec '11

12 Dec '11

On 13/12/2011, at 2:04 PM, Sijis Aviles wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Máirín Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On Mon, 2011-12-12 at 21:17 -0600, Sijis Aviles wrote: > > > > The box on the left is intentional. I don't believe there was a > > 'purpose' for it other than look. Keeping up with homepage screenshot > > is too much effort. I do recall it should change when someone hovers > > over it though to a darker color. That doesn't seem to be implemented. > > > > Yeh, it was originally for screenshots but we never got code in place to > generate the screenshots. :( We could use it for the logos of each > community site, maybe. > > > Using logos would be a good alternative than homepage screenshots. Its less likely to be updated frequently. > > Sijis > > I support the idea of keeping logos. kaio >

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[FZH] Fwd: Re: fedoracommunity 索引頁
by Tommy He 12 Dec '11

12 Dec '11

Forward replied email from bbbush which had probably been sent to me only. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Yuan Yijun" <bbbush.yuan(a)gmail.com> Date: Dec 12, 2011 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [FZH] fedoracommunity 索引頁 To: "lovenemesis" <lovenemesis(a)fedoraproject.org> 吵吵架而已，我不再回帖了。 2011/12/12 Tommy He <lovenemesis(a)fedoraproject.org>: > 不管口水战的事情，我的观点是 Fedora 中文社区面临竞争，需要变革，不前进就会死亡。 > > 和 FedoraChina.cn 合并我赞同，因为现实是 FedoraChina.cn 比 fzug > 在搜索引擎中更靠前，更多的新用户会走向它而不是我们。与其这般不断声明“我们这里贡献者更多，有更多官方支持” 云云，主动走向 > FedoraChina.cn 更现实。 > 我们大家都去看 LinuxToy 你发的每篇文章，请问 Fedora Project 是不是该走向 LT 呢。用 SEO 说事的话，为什么我搜索"Fedora 论坛"和"Fedora 无法启动"，都是 LinuxSir 在我们前面，请问 Fedora Project 是不是要走向 LinuxSir 呢。 https://www.google.com/search?q=fedora-zh.org 有 5,240,000 结果，搜索 bbs.fedora-zh.org 有 3,320,000 结果，搜索fedorachina.cn 只有 29,100 结果。 http://www.baidu.com/s?wd=bbs.fedora-zh.org 有 3,600 结果，搜索fedorachina.cn 只有 707 结果。怀疑 vBulletin 应对 SEO 的能力？cnblue可以给上堂课了。 BBS 的实际用户数量颇可怀疑，比如 FZUG 一个月内活跃用户不过 100 左右。我已经说得很客气了，kaio 你要 fedora-zh.org 的用户列表，我能给你；但是别指望 fedorachina.cn 会给你。你要 fedora-zh.org 所有的文章存档，我一样能给你，因为从开头我们就强调了 CC 授权；但是别指望 fedorachina.cn 会给你。 “许多资源链接指向 fedora-zh.org”，但是却在关键的字面内容上不提 FZUG 和 fedora-zh.org，这不叫盗链吗？若是按照商业网站的规则，这不是很可笑的事吗？ > > 现在已有的 Planet 不够理想，其中有抓取了不少跟 Fedora 或者开源技术无关的内容，必须要变化。Planet 的使用规则在 > Wiki 上也汉化了，希望每个准备加入的人能仔细阅读，大家共同监督规则的执行。 > 地址？我不记得谁会因为自己发了什么过分的帖子就被踢出 Fedora Project，连那位每天自拍的都没有。人生苦短，你不是PYTHONer吗？ -- bbbush ^_^

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[FZH] [fedoracommunity.org] The filler pics didn't fill up the whole box.
by Caius Chance 11 Dec '11

11 Dec '11

Hi, There are some problems on appearance in: http://fedoraommunity.org/apac (and all other 3 regions) The top box "Region-wide Resources" has the pale background filled nicely. However, for the boxes of "Community Site in this region", the filler pics only stayed on the left without filling up the whole box by extension or repeating itself just like the "Region-wide Resources". I have checked out the CSS which seems the top box used different method as the boxes below. Would you mind to have a look on that please? Thank you very much. Caius Chance (kaio) me(a)kaio.net

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[FZH] 如何判断 link 的指向？
by Zind 10 Dec '11

10 Dec '11

在 shell 脚本中，怎么样判断 link 的指向呢？就是说，判断它是不是指向某个特定的文件呢？ ls -l file_name 后，用 awk 提取输出可行…… 还有没有其它更好的方法呢？

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[FZH] 升级Fedora16 后的systemd和bash的histroy问题
by flyreach Lin 10 Dec '11

10 Dec '11

看了 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SysVinit_to_Systemd_Cheatsheet/zh后大致明白了init和… 可是用起来还是遇到问题了。我用sudo ln -s/lib/systemd/system/runlevel5.target /etc/systemd/system/default.target 后启动图形界面就没有多用户了，就是ctrl+alt+F*无效了 runlevel3和以前的init 3一致如何让systemd既有图形又有多用户？还有，以前可以在grub中加single进入单用户现在一定要启动后才能修改下次进入单用户模式如果出现忘记所有用户密码等情况，不是就没办法了(livecd等手段除外）还有一个问题就是bash的命令记录，以前bash几乎可以记录无限的历史命令，现在一关机，甚至一关掉terminal，history就全部没了这样就很不方便，无法用up,down前后看看了。。。有解决办法么？

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[FZH] F16升级后的几个问题，主要是声音
by flyreach Lin 09 Dec '11

09 Dec '11

大家好，我从fedora15升级到fedora16后遇到了几个问题，DVD.iso优盘升级安装，google和baidu后都没得到解决，麻烦大家看看一、声音问题刚从F15升到16的时候声音没问题，前2天yum upgrade一下，升级了kernel，gnome3下的程序如mpg123、mplayer就没声音了 gnome3的设置中都找不到声卡 kde下的程序如juk，amarok和konqueror都能播放音频，也能找到声卡,yum reinstall pulseaudio无效 alsaminer：ALSA lib pulse.c:229:(pulse_connect) PulseAudio: Unable to connect: 拒绝连接 cannot open mixer: 拒绝连接 alsaminer -c 0 正常而且在tty2下，也就是纯命令行模式下会看到： 1308.084261] ALSA sound/usb/clock.c:227 3:3:3: cannot set freq 16000 to ep 0x86 [ 1309.085166] ALSA sound/usb/clock.c:227 3:3:3: cannot set freq 16000 to ep 0x86 [ 1310.085202] ALSA sound/usb/clock.c:227 3:3:3: cannot set freq 16000 to ep 0x86 [ 1311.086250] ALSA sound/usb/clock.c:227 3:3:3: cannot set freq 16000 to ep 0x86 [ 1312.087269] ALSA sound/usb/clock.c:227 3:3:3: cannot set freq 16000 to ep 0x86 的错误输出 ]$ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel HDA Intel at 0xefffc000 irq 45 ]$ /sbin/lsmod | grep -c snd 14 ]$ lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML and 945GT Express Memory Controller Hub (rev 03) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML and 945GT Express PCI Express Root Port (rev 03) 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family PCI Express Port 1 (rev 01) 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family PCI Express Port 2 (rev 01) 00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family PCI Express Port 4 (rev 01) 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 01) 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 01) 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 01) 00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 01) 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 01) 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev e1) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801GBM (ICH7-M) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 01) 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801GBM/GHM (ICH7 Family) SATA IDE Controller (rev 01) 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family SMBus Controller (rev 01) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G72M [GeForce Go 7400] (rev a1) 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX (rev 02) 03:01.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller 03:01.1 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter (rev 19) 03:01.2 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C592 Memory Stick Bus Host Adapter (rev 0a) 03:01.3 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd xD-Picture Card Controller (rev 05) 0c:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02) 我的本是Dell xps M1210,带罗技的摄像头，我怀疑是摄像头的音频设备和声卡音频冲突了这个问题出现之前摄像头程序可以使用，之后就提示找不到摄像头了还有就是在fedora15的时候我就发现mpg123等程序播放音频明显爆音，而kde程序不会，amarok（xine和gstreamer后端）音质非常好，上网搜索得知mpg123的口碑非常好，所以应该不是mpg的问题，我怀疑还是硬件识别的问题，不知道有了解这个问题的没有。二、grub升级到grub2的问题在grub的时候要想开机不进入Xwindows只要在kernel /vmliuz。。。后面加3就好，升级到grub2后这个不行了，我试过在grub.cfg中加text和修改 /etc/default/grub中GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="quiet rhgb text" 后grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg都不行三、gnome-shell问题 fedora15的时候就存在，用开源驱动能进入gnome-shell，yum install kmod-nvidia或yum install akmod-nvidia后就只能进入备用模式三种驱动都能识别显卡，nv go 7400 在gnome-shell下使用search就马上崩溃。。。四、ibus-pinyin ibus-pinyin无法使用ibus-sunpinyin正常几个问题麻烦大家了，e文不好没法在FedoraForum.org上发。。。谢谢了。。。

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