Fedora 中文組郵件列表 January 2015

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[FZH] [Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Chinese
by Alick Zhao 16 Jan '15

16 Jan '15

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Chinese on 2015-01-16 from 21:00:00 to 22:00:00 Asia/Shanghai At fedora-zh(a)irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: Weekly meeting to discuss issues and planning for the [Fedora Chinese User Group (FZUG)](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zh ). Please refer to [previous meetings](http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/ ) for meeting agenda and add your own topic by posting to the [Fedora Chinese mailing list](https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese ). [Fedora 中文用户组 (FZUG)](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zh ) 每周 IRC 会议，讨论社区当下事务以及未来规划。请参阅[历史会议记录](http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/ )以了解常规的会议议程。您可以通过向 [Fedora 中文邮件列表](https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese )发送邮件添加会议话题. Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar//meeting/470/

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[FZH] 招募 copr 运维与运营
by Robin Lee 13 Jan '15

13 Jan '15

Hi 现在我们想在中国大陆搭建一个 copr，如果您对以下技术有所涉猎或感兴趣，那希望可以帮助我们： 1. Python 2. Ansible 3. PostgreSQL 4. 各种 httpd 5. 安全与审计 6. rpm 打包与 Fedora 打包规范对于中文 copr，我想至少能有以下三个定位： 1. 提供一个打包练习场，以最低的门槛让更多中文用户参与打包 2. 提供中文用户有需要的、但无法进入 Fedora 官方源的包 3. 提供平台让中文用户维护感兴趣但没有进入 Fedora 官方构建集群的架构，如龙芯 -robin

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Re: [FZH] 招募 copr 运维与运营 (Robin Lee)
by 姚洪 13 Jan '15

13 Jan '15

I think i have the ability to do this. Now i am working in Red Hat as a system engineer. BR, Hong At 2015-01-12 20:00:01, chinese-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: >Send Chinese mailing list submissions to > chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > chinese-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > chinese-owner(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Chinese digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. 招募 copr 运维与运营 (Robin Lee) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 19:58:33 +0800 >From: Robin Lee <robinlee.sysu(a)gmail.com> >To: Fedora Chinese <chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> >Subject: [FZH] 招募 copr 运维与运营 >Message-ID: > <CAG8B0OzjhXkV=_B6Bs3iYoixv_GLQCC=QksjEb+SHPE03RGeWA(a)mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >Hi > >现在我们想在中国大陆搭建一个 copr，如果您对以下技术有所涉猎或感兴趣，那希望可以帮助我们： >1. Python >2. Ansible >3. PostgreSQL >4. 各种 httpd >5. 安全与审计 >6. rpm 打包与 Fedora 打包规范 > >对于中文 copr，我想至少能有以下三个定位： >1. 提供一个打包练习场，以最低的门槛让更多中文用户参与打包 >2. 提供中文用户有需要的、但无法进入 Fedora 官方源的包 >3. 提供平台让中文用户维护感兴趣但没有进入 Fedora 官方构建集群的架构，如龙芯 > >-robin > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Chinese mailing list >Chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese > > >End of Chinese Digest, Vol 1131, Issue 1 >****************************************

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[FZH] [Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Chinese
by Alick Zhao 09 Jan '15

09 Jan '15

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Chinese on 2015-01-09 from 21:00:00 to 22:00:00 Asia/Shanghai At fedora-zh(a)irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: Weekly meeting to discuss issues and planning for the [Fedora Chinese User Group (FZUG)](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zh ). Please refer to [previous meetings](http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/ ) for meeting agenda and add your own topic by posting to the [Fedora Chinese mailing list](https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese ). [Fedora 中文用户组 (FZUG)](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zh ) 每周 IRC 会议，讨论社区当下事务以及未来规划。请参阅[历史会议记录](http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/ )以了解常规的会议议程。您可以通过向 [Fedora 中文邮件列表](https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese )发送邮件添加会议话题. Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar//meeting/470/

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Re: [FZH] Chinese Digest, Vol 1127, Issue 1
by ak_birdofprey 04 Jan '15

04 Jan '15

FEDORA为什么不能像DEBIAN那样，提供全软件组件安装包的全ISO镜像，这点我觉得DEBIAN做的最好。单一的发行版本。全镜像的ISO。最大的好处就是用户创建本地源可以更快速的进行软件组件的离线安装和部署。到目前为止。我个人觉得DEBIAN这点非常类似苹果公司的软件发布方式，这样可以让用户避开“信息偏倚”思维错误。从而得到更好的用户使用体验。再说了。既然这东西本身就是为了极客使用的。理应有更便利的软件源部署方式。而最好的软件源就是类似DEBIAN那样的全镜像ISO。 At 2015-01-04 20:00:01, chinese-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: >Send Chinese mailing list submissions to > chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > chinese-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > chinese-owner(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Chinese digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 (ak_birdofprey) > 2. Re: Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 (foxliu2012(a)gmail.com) > 3. Re: Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 (王康) > 4. Re: Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 (suija) > 5. Re: Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 (Christopher Meng) > 6. Fwd: Call For Proposals - Hong Kong Open Source Conference > 2015 (Alick Zhao) > 7. Re: Fwd: Call For Proposals - Hong Kong Open Source > Conference 2015 (Alick Zhao) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 11:16:44 +0800 (CST) >From: ak_birdofprey <ak_birdofprey(a)163.com> >To: chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >Subject: Re: [FZH] Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 >Message-ID: <4d03d6fa.b46c.14ab2f1e1c0.Coremail.ak_birdofprey(a)163.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GBK > >fedora 就叫fedora，分成什么服务器呀，桌面呀;这实际上本身就是对社区的一种分裂。于此相比，我更喜欢DEBIAN那样的发行方式，Debian就叫debian，没有什么服务器版桌面版的区别，要什么功能装软件组件就是了，希望fedora也能向debian学习。苹果也是值得学习的，就界面和系统配置文件这点来说，其他系统是比不上的，这给用户带来很多方便，大道致简呀,个人觉得DEBIAN的全软件组件包ISO发布方式，最让用户省心和简单方便。所以还是一直玩DEBIAN得了。现在FEDORA也是不断的把所有的东西都放在所谓的云上。不能自由下载使用本身已经是一种不自由了。而且版本分的太多感觉太凌乱，让人无所适从，同时所谓的在线组件安装也让人感觉到非常的不方便使用。为FEDORA社区祈祷，不要因为REDHAT的官僚作风让社区最后演化成一个僵尸社区（那种缺少活力，就像僵尸们盅邪一样的一意孤行）。REDHAT对FEDORA系统的国多版本划分很容易让社区用户走进选择悖论的区域。这样导致的结果就是用户最后无所适从也就没有选择，最后很可能的结果就是用户选择更简单的版本而离开FEDORA社区。作为FEDORA的一个多年的爱好者用户。真希望REDHAT能作出更好的选择，保持LINUX继承UNIX的大道至简原则。继续保持FEDORA单一版本的发行方式，也许这样会带给社区更好的未来。。 > > > > > > > > >At 2014-12-05 20:00:01, chinese-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: >>Send Chinese mailing list submissions to >> chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >> >>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese >>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> chinese-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >> >>You can reach the person managing the list at >> chinese-owner(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >> >>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>than "Re: Contents of Chinese digest..." >> >> >>Today's Topics: >> >> 1. [Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Chinese (alick9188(a)gmail.com) >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Message: 1 >>Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 09:00:02 +0000 (UTC) >>From: alick9188(a)gmail.com >>To: chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >>Subject: [FZH] [Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Chinese >>Message-ID: >> <20141205090002.22A8260A9588(a)fedocal02.phx2.fedoraproject.org> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >>Dear all, >> >>You are kindly invited to the meeting: >> Chinese on 2014-12-05 from 21:00:00 to 22:00:00 Asia/Shanghai >> At fedora-zh(a)irc.freenode.net >> >>The meeting will be about: >>Weekly meeting to discuss issues and planning for the [Fedora Chinese User Group (FZUG)](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zh ). >> >>Please refer to [previous meetings](http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/ ) for meeting agenda and add your own topic by posting to the [Fedora Chinese mailing list](https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese ). >> >>[Fedora 中文用户组 (FZUG)](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zh ) 每周 IRC 会议，讨论社区当下事务以及未来规划。 >> >>请参阅[历史会议记录](http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/ )以了解常规的会议议程。您可以通过向 [Fedora 中文邮件列表](https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese )发送邮件添加会议话题. >> >> >>Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar//meeting/470/ >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Chinese mailing list >>Chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >>https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese >> >> >>End of Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 >>**************************************** > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 11:29:17 +0800 >From: "foxliu2012(a)gmail.com" <foxliu2012(a)gmail.com> >To: chinese <chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> >Subject: Re: [FZH] Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 >Message-ID: <201501041129140922698(a)gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > 其实服务器版和桌面版可以存在的，他们本身是没有多大区别，主要安装时减小了安装包，方便初次安装设置的麻烦性：当我安装桌面版时，我不希望我下载的安装包里有很多关于各种服务的内容，这样可以减少我下载的时间，也方便我的选择安装，同样的，我如果想安装服务器版的话，我可能就不然望去安装各和桌面环境，以及蓝牙什么的驱动等等，这样方便我的安装操作。但如果我想在桌面环境跑一些服务器上的东西的话，只需要知道我想要安装的哪些东西，yum安装上去就可以了。我并不喜欢我只需要安装最小化服务器时，我要下载几个G的镜像文件，确切的说我痛恨这样。 > 桌面版，服务器版，其内容是一致的，并不是对社区的一个分裂，只是相对于安装包的定制不同罢了。 > > > >foxliu2012(a)gmail.com > >From: ak_birdofprey >Date: 2015-01-04 11:16 >To: chinese >Subject: Re: [FZH] Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 >fedora 就叫fedora，分成什么服务器呀，桌面呀;这实际上本身就是对社区的一种分裂。于此相比，我更喜欢DEBIAN那样的发行方式，Debian就叫debian，没有什么服务器版桌面版的区别，要什么功能装软件组件就是了，希望fedora也能向debian学习。苹果也是值得学习的，就界面和系统配置文件这点来说，其他系统是比不上的，这给用户带来很多方便，大道致简呀,个人觉得DEBIAN的全软件组件包ISO发布方式，最让用户省心和简单方便。所以还是一直玩DEBIAN得了。现在FEDORA也是不断的把所有的东西都放在所谓的云上。不能自由下载使用本身已经是一种不自由了。而且版本分的太多感觉太凌乱，让人无所适从，同时所谓的在线组件安装也让人感觉到非常的不方便使用。为FEDORA社区祈祷，不要因为REDHAT的官僚作风让社区最后演化成一个僵尸社区（那种缺少活力，就像僵尸们盅邪一样的一意孤行）。REDHAT对FEDORA系统的国多版本划分很容易让社区用户走进选择悖论的区域。这样导致的结果就是用户最后无所适从也就没有选择，最后很可能的结果就是用户选择更简单的版本而离开FEDORA社区。作为FEDORA的一个多年的爱好者用户。真希望REDHAT能作出更好的选择，保持LINUX继承UNIX的大道至简原则。继续保持FEDORA单一版本的发行方式，也许这样会带给社区更好的未来。。 > > > > > > > > >At 2014-12-05 20:00:01, chinese-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: >>Send Chinese mailing list submissions to >> chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >> >>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese >>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> chinese-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >> >>You can reach the person managing the list at >> chinese-owner(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >> >>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>than "Re: Contents of Chinese digest..." >> >> >>Today's Topics: >> >> 1. [Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Chinese (alick9188(a)gmail.com) >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Message: 1 >>Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 09:00:02 +0000 (UTC) >>From: alick9188(a)gmail.com >>To: chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >>Subject: [FZH] [Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Chinese >>Message-ID: >> <20141205090002.22A8260A9588(a)fedocal02.phx2.fedoraproject.org> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >>Dear all, >> >>You are kindly invited to the meeting: >> Chinese on 2014-12-05 from 21:00:00 to 22:00:00 Asia/Shanghai >> At fedora-zh(a)irc.freenode.net >> >>The meeting will be about: >>Weekly meeting to discuss issues and planning for the [Fedora Chinese User Group (FZUG)](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zh ). >> >>Please refer to [previous meetings](http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/ ) for meeting agenda and add your own topic by posting to the [Fedora Chinese mailing list](https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese ). >> >>[Fedora 中文用户组 (FZUG)](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zh ) 每周 IRC 会议，讨论社区当下事务以及未来规划。 >> >>请参阅[历史会议记录](http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/ )以了解常规的会议议程。您可以通过向 [Fedora 中文邮件列表](https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese )发送邮件添加会议话题. >> >> >>Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar//meeting/470/ >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Chinese mailing list >>Chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >>https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese >> >> >>End of Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 >>**************************************** >-- >Fedora中文郵件列表：https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 11:59:07 +0800 >From: 王康 <scateu(a)gmail.com> >To: Fedora Chinese <chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> >Subject: Re: [FZH] Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 >Message-ID: > <CAFsF_AHzcRU_awS_=j8mwaMBbGNyaSqNBdOK1G8LjJC8MW+QFg(a)mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 > >2015-01-04 11:16 GMT+08:00 ak_birdofprey <ak_birdofprey(a)163.com>: >> fedora 就叫fedora，分成什么服务器呀，桌面呀;这实际上本身就是对社区的一种分裂。 >> 于此相比，我更喜欢DEBIAN那样的发行方式，Debian就叫debian， > >DEBIAN vs Debian vs debian .... > >> [...] > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 12:50:40 +0800 >From: suija <suija(a)sina.cn> >To: chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >Subject: Re: [FZH] Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 >Message-ID: <54A8C6A0.9040104(a)sina.cn> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > >太难以理解搞fedora server了，这个东西我想应该没有人会真用到生产环境吧。 >竟然这次独立拉出了一个发行版。。。。 > >suija >2015年1月4日 > >在 2015年01月04日 11:59, 王康写道: >> 2015-01-04 11:16 GMT+08:00 ak_birdofprey <ak_birdofprey(a)163.com>: >>> fedora 就叫fedora，分成什么服务器呀，桌面呀;这实际上本身就是对社区的一种分裂。 >>> 于此相比，我更喜欢DEBIAN那样的发行方式，Debian就叫debian， >> DEBIAN vs Debian vs debian .... >> >>> [...] >> -- >> Fedora中文郵件列表：https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 13:29:23 +0800 >From: Christopher Meng <cickumqt(a)gmail.com> >To: Fedora Chinese <chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> >Subject: Re: [FZH] Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 >Message-ID: > <CAHcXnBE3ZmwC4puV9EFHpRiUkawfdmPjOY=Y80zZ8YgmNXiwXw(a)mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >2015-01-04 12:50 GMT+08:00 suija <suija(a)sina.cn>: >> >> 太难以理解搞fedora server了，这个东西我想应该没有人会真用到生产环境吧。竟然这次独立拉出了一个发行版。。。。 > >不过安装的时候我还是 minimal installation，然后想用啥就自己装。.next 计划究竟有啥好处我也真不知道。 > >跟我默念：Fedora 大法好。 > >以此类推。 > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 14:30:45 +0800 >From: Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com> >To: Fedora Chinese <chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> >Subject: [FZH] Fwd: Call For Proposals - Hong Kong Open Source > Conference 2015 >Message-ID: <54A8DE15.7030502(a)gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >香港的社区大会 HKOSC 2015: http://2015.opensource.hk/ > >主题为：Cloud // Maker // Community // Startup > >欢迎社区成员积极投稿！ > >-------- Forwarded Message -------- >Subject: Call For Proposals - Hong Kong Open Source Conference 2015 >Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 18:28:56 +0800 >From: tong hui <tonghuix(a)gmail.com> >To: 北京gnome用户组 <gnome-cn-list(a)gnome.org> > > > >2015年香港的开源年会（2015年5月15～16日），正在征演讲。截稿日期是2015年1月11日。 > >提交地址：https://docs.google.com/forms/d/10VreZ2cSFwSRo449Of3YDnucKZj3FRSHtF4Wx… > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 7 >Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 14:33:10 +0800 >From: Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com> >To: Fedora Chinese <chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> >Subject: Re: [FZH] Fwd: Call For Proposals - Hong Kong Open Source > Conference 2015 >Message-ID: <54A8DEA6.2000504(a)gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >囧……原来我转发过一次…… Thunderbird 的线索功能帮我自动找到了1个月前的…… > >-- >Alick >Fedora release 20 (Heisenbug) user >https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Chinese mailing list >Chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese > > >End of Chinese Digest, Vol 1127, Issue 1 >****************************************

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Re: [FZH] Chinese Digest, Vol 1127, Issue 1
by ak_birdofprey 04 Jan '15

04 Jan '15

看来大家普遍觉得分SERVER和DESTOP是个错误。我觉得这样的分发会让大家陷入一种选择的“信息偏倚”心理状态。从长远来看它对社区必然带来坏处。FEDORA现在被REDHAT搞的越来越没有吸引力了。混乱的版本让人无所适从，过分强调所谓的服务器版和桌面版也让UI界面同样混乱。失去了版本本身应该带给社区的简单统一性。这点我觉得DEBIAN和苹果都做的比RENDAHT强很多。DEBIAN和苹果在版本层次上的简单统一也是两个社区用户保持跟进的重要因素。。。 At 2015-01-04 20:00:01, chinese-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: >Send Chinese mailing list submissions to > chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > chinese-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > chinese-owner(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Chinese digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 (ak_birdofprey) > 2. Re: Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 (foxliu2012(a)gmail.com) > 3. Re: Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 (王康) > 4. Re: Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 (suija) > 5. Re: Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 (Christopher Meng) > 6. Fwd: Call For Proposals - Hong Kong Open Source Conference > 2015 (Alick Zhao) > 7. Re: Fwd: Call For Proposals - Hong Kong Open Source > Conference 2015 (Alick Zhao) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 11:16:44 +0800 (CST) >From: ak_birdofprey <ak_birdofprey(a)163.com> >To: chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >Subject: Re: [FZH] Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 >Message-ID: <4d03d6fa.b46c.14ab2f1e1c0.Coremail.ak_birdofprey(a)163.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GBK > >fedora 就叫fedora，分成什么服务器呀，桌面呀;这实际上本身就是对社区的一种分裂。于此相比，我更喜欢DEBIAN那样的发行方式，Debian就叫debian，没有什么服务器版桌面版的区别，要什么功能装软件组件就是了，希望fedora也能向debian学习。苹果也是值得学习的，就界面和系统配置文件这点来说，其他系统是比不上的，这给用户带来很多方便，大道致简呀,个人觉得DEBIAN的全软件组件包ISO发布方式，最让用户省心和简单方便。所以还是一直玩DEBIAN得了。现在FEDORA也是不断的把所有的东西都放在所谓的云上。不能自由下载使用本身已经是一种不自由了。而且版本分的太多感觉太凌乱，让人无所适从，同时所谓的在线组件安装也让人感觉到非常的不方便使用。为FEDORA社区祈祷，不要因为REDHAT的官僚作风让社区最后演化成一个僵尸社区（那种缺少活力，就像僵尸们盅邪一样的一意孤行）。REDHAT对FEDORA系统的国多版本划分很容易让社区用户走进选择悖论的区域。这样导致的结果就是用户最后无所适从也就没有选择，最后很可能的结果就是用户选择更简单的版本而离开FEDORA社区。作为FEDORA的一个多年的爱好者用户。真希望REDHAT能作出更好的选择，保持LINUX继承UNIX的大道至简原则。继续保持FEDORA单一版本的发行方式，也许这样会带给社区更好的未来。。 > > > > > > > > >At 2014-12-05 20:00:01, chinese-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: >>Send Chinese mailing list submissions to >> chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >> >>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese >>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> chinese-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >> >>You can reach the person managing the list at >> chinese-owner(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >> >>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>than "Re: Contents of Chinese digest..." >> >> >>Today's Topics: >> >> 1. [Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Chinese (alick9188(a)gmail.com) >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Message: 1 >>Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 09:00:02 +0000 (UTC) >>From: alick9188(a)gmail.com >>To: chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >>Subject: [FZH] [Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Chinese >>Message-ID: >> <20141205090002.22A8260A9588(a)fedocal02.phx2.fedoraproject.org> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >>Dear all, >> >>You are kindly invited to the meeting: >> Chinese on 2014-12-05 from 21:00:00 to 22:00:00 Asia/Shanghai >> At fedora-zh(a)irc.freenode.net >> >>The meeting will be about: >>Weekly meeting to discuss issues and planning for the [Fedora Chinese User Group (FZUG)](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zh ). >> >>Please refer to [previous meetings](http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/ ) for meeting agenda and add your own topic by posting to the [Fedora Chinese mailing list](https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese ). >> >>[Fedora 中文用户组 (FZUG)](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zh ) 每周 IRC 会议，讨论社区当下事务以及未来规划。 >> >>请参阅[历史会议记录](http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/ )以了解常规的会议议程。您可以通过向 [Fedora 中文邮件列表](https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese )发送邮件添加会议话题. >> >> >>Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar//meeting/470/ >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Chinese mailing list >>Chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >>https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese >> >> >>End of Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 >>**************************************** > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 11:29:17 +0800 >From: "foxliu2012(a)gmail.com" <foxliu2012(a)gmail.com> >To: chinese <chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> >Subject: Re: [FZH] Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 >Message-ID: <201501041129140922698(a)gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > 其实服务器版和桌面版可以存在的，他们本身是没有多大区别，主要安装时减小了安装包，方便初次安装设置的麻烦性：当我安装桌面版时，我不希望我下载的安装包里有很多关于各种服务的内容，这样可以减少我下载的时间，也方便我的选择安装，同样的，我如果想安装服务器版的话，我可能就不然望去安装各和桌面环境，以及蓝牙什么的驱动等等，这样方便我的安装操作。但如果我想在桌面环境跑一些服务器上的东西的话，只需要知道我想要安装的哪些东西，yum安装上去就可以了。我并不喜欢我只需要安装最小化服务器时，我要下载几个G的镜像文件，确切的说我痛恨这样。 > 桌面版，服务器版，其内容是一致的，并不是对社区的一个分裂，只是相对于安装包的定制不同罢了。 > > > >foxliu2012(a)gmail.com > >From: ak_birdofprey >Date: 2015-01-04 11:16 >To: chinese >Subject: Re: [FZH] Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 >fedora 就叫fedora，分成什么服务器呀，桌面呀;这实际上本身就是对社区的一种分裂。于此相比，我更喜欢DEBIAN那样的发行方式，Debian就叫debian，没有什么服务器版桌面版的区别，要什么功能装软件组件就是了，希望fedora也能向debian学习。苹果也是值得学习的，就界面和系统配置文件这点来说，其他系统是比不上的，这给用户带来很多方便，大道致简呀,个人觉得DEBIAN的全软件组件包ISO发布方式，最让用户省心和简单方便。所以还是一直玩DEBIAN得了。现在FEDORA也是不断的把所有的东西都放在所谓的云上。不能自由下载使用本身已经是一种不自由了。而且版本分的太多感觉太凌乱，让人无所适从，同时所谓的在线组件安装也让人感觉到非常的不方便使用。为FEDORA社区祈祷，不要因为REDHAT的官僚作风让社区最后演化成一个僵尸社区（那种缺少活力，就像僵尸们盅邪一样的一意孤行）。REDHAT对FEDORA系统的国多版本划分很容易让社区用户走进选择悖论的区域。这样导致的结果就是用户最后无所适从也就没有选择，最后很可能的结果就是用户选择更简单的版本而离开FEDORA社区。作为FEDORA的一个多年的爱好者用户。真希望REDHAT能作出更好的选择，保持LINUX继承UNIX的大道至简原则。继续保持FEDORA单一版本的发行方式，也许这样会带给社区更好的未来。。 > > > > > > > > >At 2014-12-05 20:00:01, chinese-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: >>Send Chinese mailing list submissions to >> chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >> >>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese >>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> chinese-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >> >>You can reach the person managing the list at >> chinese-owner(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >> >>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>than "Re: Contents of Chinese digest..." >> >> >>Today's Topics: >> >> 1. [Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Chinese (alick9188(a)gmail.com) >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Message: 1 >>Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 09:00:02 +0000 (UTC) >>From: alick9188(a)gmail.com >>To: chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >>Subject: [FZH] [Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Chinese >>Message-ID: >> <20141205090002.22A8260A9588(a)fedocal02.phx2.fedoraproject.org> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >>Dear all, >> >>You are kindly invited to the meeting: >> Chinese on 2014-12-05 from 21:00:00 to 22:00:00 Asia/Shanghai >> At fedora-zh(a)irc.freenode.net >> >>The meeting will be about: >>Weekly meeting to discuss issues and planning for the [Fedora Chinese User Group (FZUG)](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zh ). >> >>Please refer to [previous meetings](http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/ ) for meeting agenda and add your own topic by posting to the [Fedora Chinese mailing list](https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese ). >> >>[Fedora 中文用户组 (FZUG)](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zh ) 每周 IRC 会议，讨论社区当下事务以及未来规划。 >> >>请参阅[历史会议记录](http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/ )以了解常规的会议议程。您可以通过向 [Fedora 中文邮件列表](https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese )发送邮件添加会议话题. >> >> >>Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar//meeting/470/ >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Chinese mailing list >>Chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >>https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese >> >> >>End of Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 >>**************************************** >-- >Fedora中文郵件列表：https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 11:59:07 +0800 >From: 王康 <scateu(a)gmail.com> >To: Fedora Chinese <chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> >Subject: Re: [FZH] Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 >Message-ID: > <CAFsF_AHzcRU_awS_=j8mwaMBbGNyaSqNBdOK1G8LjJC8MW+QFg(a)mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 > >2015-01-04 11:16 GMT+08:00 ak_birdofprey <ak_birdofprey(a)163.com>: >> fedora 就叫fedora，分成什么服务器呀，桌面呀;这实际上本身就是对社区的一种分裂。 >> 于此相比，我更喜欢DEBIAN那样的发行方式，Debian就叫debian， > >DEBIAN vs Debian vs debian .... > >> [...] > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 12:50:40 +0800 >From: suija <suija(a)sina.cn> >To: chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >Subject: Re: [FZH] Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 >Message-ID: <54A8C6A0.9040104(a)sina.cn> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > >太难以理解搞fedora server了，这个东西我想应该没有人会真用到生产环境吧。 >竟然这次独立拉出了一个发行版。。。。 > >suija >2015年1月4日 > >在 2015年01月04日 11:59, 王康写道: >> 2015-01-04 11:16 GMT+08:00 ak_birdofprey <ak_birdofprey(a)163.com>: >>> fedora 就叫fedora，分成什么服务器呀，桌面呀;这实际上本身就是对社区的一种分裂。 >>> 于此相比，我更喜欢DEBIAN那样的发行方式，Debian就叫debian， >> DEBIAN vs Debian vs debian .... >> >>> [...] >> -- >> Fedora中文郵件列表：https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 13:29:23 +0800 >From: Christopher Meng <cickumqt(a)gmail.com> >To: Fedora Chinese <chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> >Subject: Re: [FZH] Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 >Message-ID: > <CAHcXnBE3ZmwC4puV9EFHpRiUkawfdmPjOY=Y80zZ8YgmNXiwXw(a)mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >2015-01-04 12:50 GMT+08:00 suija <suija(a)sina.cn>: >> >> 太难以理解搞fedora server了，这个东西我想应该没有人会真用到生产环境吧。竟然这次独立拉出了一个发行版。。。。 > >不过安装的时候我还是 minimal installation，然后想用啥就自己装。.next 计划究竟有啥好处我也真不知道。 > >跟我默念：Fedora 大法好。 > >以此类推。 > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 14:30:45 +0800 >From: Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com> >To: Fedora Chinese <chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> >Subject: [FZH] Fwd: Call For Proposals - Hong Kong Open Source > Conference 2015 >Message-ID: <54A8DE15.7030502(a)gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >香港的社区大会 HKOSC 2015: http://2015.opensource.hk/ > >主题为：Cloud // Maker // Community // Startup > >欢迎社区成员积极投稿！ > >-------- Forwarded Message -------- >Subject: Call For Proposals - Hong Kong Open Source Conference 2015 >Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 18:28:56 +0800 >From: tong hui <tonghuix(a)gmail.com> >To: 北京gnome用户组 <gnome-cn-list(a)gnome.org> > > > >2015年香港的开源年会（2015年5月15～16日），正在征演讲。截稿日期是2015年1月11日。 > >提交地址：https://docs.google.com/forms/d/10VreZ2cSFwSRo449Of3YDnucKZj3FRSHtF4Wx… > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 7 >Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 14:33:10 +0800 >From: Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com> >To: Fedora Chinese <chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> >Subject: Re: [FZH] Fwd: Call For Proposals - Hong Kong Open Source > Conference 2015 >Message-ID: <54A8DEA6.2000504(a)gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >囧……原来我转发过一次…… Thunderbird 的线索功能帮我自动找到了1个月前的…… > >-- >Alick >Fedora release 20 (Heisenbug) user >https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Chinese mailing list >Chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese > > >End of Chinese Digest, Vol 1127, Issue 1 >****************************************

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[FZH] 回复：Chinese Digest, Vol 1127, Issue 1
by 【浔雾启示】 04 Jan '15

04 Jan '15

debian系统都因为systemd 闹成什么样了...还说什么,‍debian又不是配置很简单,还说什么大道至简,版本的区分只是为了大家的选择.‍ ------------------ 原始邮件 ------------------ 发件人: "chinese-request";<chinese-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>; 发送时间: 2015年1月4日(星期天) 晚上8:00 收件人: "chinese"<chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>; 主题: Chinese Digest, Vol 1127, Issue 1 Send Chinese mailing list submissions to chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to chinese-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org You can reach the person managing the list at chinese-owner(a)lists.fedoraproject.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Chinese digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 (ak_birdofprey) 2. Re: Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 (foxliu2012(a)gmail.com) 3. Re: Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 (王康) 4. Re: Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 (suija) 5. Re: Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 (Christopher Meng) 6. Fwd: Call For Proposals - Hong Kong Open Source Conference 2015 (Alick Zhao) 7. Re: Fwd: Call For Proposals - Hong Kong Open Source Conference 2015 (Alick Zhao) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 11:16:44 +0800 (CST) From: ak_birdofprey <ak_birdofprey(a)163.com> To: chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: [FZH] Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 Message-ID: <4d03d6fa.b46c.14ab2f1e1c0.Coremail.ak_birdofprey(a)163.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GBK fedora 就叫fedora，分成什么服务器呀，桌面呀;这实际上本身就是对社区的一种分裂。于此相比，我更喜欢DEBIAN那样的发行方式，Debian就叫debian，没有什么服务器版桌面版的区别，要什么功能装软件组件就是了，希望fedora也能向debian学习。苹果也是值得学习的，就界面和系统配置文件这点来说，其他系统是比不上的，这给用户带来很多方便，大道致简呀,个人觉得DEBIAN的全软件组件包ISO发布方式，最让用户省心和简单方便。所以还是一直玩DEBIAN得了。现在FEDORA也是不断的把所有的东西都放在所谓的云上。不能自由下载使用本身已经是一种不自由了。而且版本分的太多感觉太凌乱，让人无所适从，同时所谓的在线组件安装也让人感觉到非常的不方便使用。为FEDORA社区祈祷，不要因为REDHAT的官僚作风让社区最后演化成一个僵尸社区（那种缺少活力，就像僵尸们盅邪一样的一意孤行）。REDHAT对FEDORA系统的国多版本划分很容易让社区用户走进选择悖论的区域。这样导致的结果就是用户最后无所适从也就没有选择，最后很可能的结果就是用户选择更简单的版本而离开FEDORA社区。作为FEDORA的一个多年的爱好者用户。真希望REDHAT能作出更好的选择，保持LINUX继承UNIX的大道至简原则。继续保持FEDORA单一版本的发行方式，也许这样会带给社区更好的未来。。 At 2014-12-05 20:00:01, chinese-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: >Send Chinese mailing list submissions to > chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > chinese-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > chinese-owner(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Chinese digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. [Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Chinese (alick9188(a)gmail.com) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 09:00:02 +0000 (UTC) >From: alick9188(a)gmail.com >To: chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >Subject: [FZH] [Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Chinese >Message-ID: > <20141205090002.22A8260A9588(a)fedocal02.phx2.fedoraproject.org> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >Dear all, > >You are kindly invited to the meeting: > Chinese on 2014-12-05 from 21:00:00 to 22:00:00 Asia/Shanghai > At fedora-zh(a)irc.freenode.net > >The meeting will be about: >Weekly meeting to discuss issues and planning for the [Fedora Chinese User Group (FZUG)](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zh ). > >Please refer to [previous meetings](http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/ ) for meeting agenda and add your own topic by posting to the [Fedora Chinese mailing list](https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese ). > >[Fedora 中文用户组 (FZUG)](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zh ) 每周 IRC 会议，讨论社区当下事务以及未来规划。 > >请参阅[历史会议记录](http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/ )以了解常规的会议议程。您可以通过向 [Fedora 中文邮件列表](https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese )发送邮件添加会议话题. > > >Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar//meeting/470/ > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Chinese mailing list >Chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese > > >End of Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 >**************************************** ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 11:29:17 +0800 From: "foxliu2012(a)gmail.com" <foxliu2012(a)gmail.com> To: chinese <chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Subject: Re: [FZH] Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 Message-ID: <201501041129140922698(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" 其实服务器版和桌面版可以存在的，他们本身是没有多大区别，主要安装时减小了安装包，方便初次安装设置的麻烦性：当我安装桌面版时，我不希望我下载的安装包里有很多关于各种服务的内容，这样可以减少我下载的时间，也方便我的选择安装，同样的，我如果想安装服务器版的话，我可能就不然望去安装各和桌面环境，以及蓝牙什么的驱动等等，这样方便我的安装操作。但如果我想在桌面环境跑一些服务器上的东西的话，只需要知道我想要安装的哪些东西，yum安装上去就可以了。我并不喜欢我只需要安装最小化服务器时，我要下载几个G的镜像文件，确切的说我痛恨这样。桌面版，服务器版，其内容是一致的，并不是对社区的一个分裂，只是相对于安装包的定制不同罢了。 foxliu2012(a)gmail.com From: ak_birdofprey Date: 2015-01-04 11:16 To: chinese Subject: Re: [FZH] Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 fedora 就叫fedora，分成什么服务器呀，桌面呀;这实际上本身就是对社区的一种分裂。于此相比，我更喜欢DEBIAN那样的发行方式，Debian就叫debian，没有什么服务器版桌面版的区别，要什么功能装软件组件就是了，希望fedora也能向debian学习。苹果也是值得学习的，就界面和系统配置文件这点来说，其他系统是比不上的，这给用户带来很多方便，大道致简呀,个人觉得DEBIAN的全软件组件包ISO发布方式，最让用户省心和简单方便。所以还是一直玩DEBIAN得了。现在FEDORA也是不断的把所有的东西都放在所谓的云上。不能自由下载使用本身已经是一种不自由了。而且版本分的太多感觉太凌乱，让人无所适从，同时所谓的在线组件安装也让人感觉到非常的不方便使用。为FEDORA社区祈祷，不要因为REDHAT的官僚作风让社区最后演化成一个僵尸社区（那种缺少活力，就像僵尸们盅邪一样的一意孤行）。REDHAT对FEDORA系统的国多版本划分很容易让社区用户走进选择悖论的区域。这样导致的结果就是用户最后无所适从也就没有选择，最后很可能的结果就是用户选择更简单的版本而离开FEDORA社区。作为FEDORA的一个多年的爱好者用户。真希望REDHAT能作出更好的选择，保持LINUX继承UNIX的大道至简原则。继续保持FEDORA单一版本的发行方式，也许这样会带给社区更好的未来。。 At 2014-12-05 20:00:01, chinese-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: >Send Chinese mailing list submissions to > chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > chinese-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > chinese-owner(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Chinese digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. [Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Chinese (alick9188(a)gmail.com) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 09:00:02 +0000 (UTC) >From: alick9188(a)gmail.com >To: chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >Subject: [FZH] [Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Chinese >Message-ID: > <20141205090002.22A8260A9588(a)fedocal02.phx2.fedoraproject.org> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >Dear all, > >You are kindly invited to the meeting: > Chinese on 2014-12-05 from 21:00:00 to 22:00:00 Asia/Shanghai > At fedora-zh(a)irc.freenode.net > >The meeting will be about: >Weekly meeting to discuss issues and planning for the [Fedora Chinese User Group (FZUG)](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zh ). > >Please refer to [previous meetings](http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/ ) for meeting agenda and add your own topic by posting to the [Fedora Chinese mailing list](https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese ). > >[Fedora 中文用户组 (FZUG)](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zh ) 每周 IRC 会议，讨论社区当下事务以及未来规划。 > >请参阅[历史会议记录](http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/ )以了解常规的会议议程。您可以通过向 [Fedora 中文邮件列表](https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese )发送邮件添加会议话题. > > >Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar//meeting/470/ > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Chinese mailing list >Chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese > > >End of Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 >**************************************** -- Fedora中文郵件列表：https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 11:59:07 +0800 From: 王康 <scateu(a)gmail.com> To: Fedora Chinese <chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Subject: Re: [FZH] Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 Message-ID: <CAFsF_AHzcRU_awS_=j8mwaMBbGNyaSqNBdOK1G8LjJC8MW+QFg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 2015-01-04 11:16 GMT+08:00 ak_birdofprey <ak_birdofprey(a)163.com>: > fedora 就叫fedora，分成什么服务器呀，桌面呀;这实际上本身就是对社区的一种分裂。 > 于此相比，我更喜欢DEBIAN那样的发行方式，Debian就叫debian， DEBIAN vs Debian vs debian .... > [...] ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 12:50:40 +0800 From: suija <suija(a)sina.cn> To: chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: [FZH] Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 Message-ID: <54A8C6A0.9040104(a)sina.cn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed 太难以理解搞fedora server了，这个东西我想应该没有人会真用到生产环境吧。竟然这次独立拉出了一个发行版。。。。 suija 2015年1月4日在 2015年01月04日 11:59, 王康写道: > 2015-01-04 11:16 GMT+08:00 ak_birdofprey <ak_birdofprey(a)163.com>: >> fedora 就叫fedora，分成什么服务器呀，桌面呀;这实际上本身就是对社区的一种分裂。 >> 于此相比，我更喜欢DEBIAN那样的发行方式，Debian就叫debian， > DEBIAN vs Debian vs debian .... > >> [...] > -- > Fedora中文郵件列表：https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 13:29:23 +0800 From: Christopher Meng <cickumqt(a)gmail.com> To: Fedora Chinese <chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Subject: Re: [FZH] Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 Message-ID: <CAHcXnBE3ZmwC4puV9EFHpRiUkawfdmPjOY=Y80zZ8YgmNXiwXw(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2015-01-04 12:50 GMT+08:00 suija <suija(a)sina.cn>: > > 太难以理解搞fedora server了，这个东西我想应该没有人会真用到生产环境吧。竟然这次独立拉出了一个发行版。。。。不过安装的时候我还是 minimal installation，然后想用啥就自己装。.next 计划究竟有啥好处我也真不知道。跟我默念：Fedora 大法好。以此类推。 ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 14:30:45 +0800 From: Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com> To: Fedora Chinese <chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Subject: [FZH] Fwd: Call For Proposals - Hong Kong Open Source Conference 2015 Message-ID: <54A8DE15.7030502(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 香港的社区大会 HKOSC 2015: http://2015.opensource.hk/ 主题为：Cloud // Maker // Community // Startup 欢迎社区成员积极投稿！ -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Call For Proposals - Hong Kong Open Source Conference 2015 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 18:28:56 +0800 From: tong hui <tonghuix(a)gmail.com> To: 北京gnome用户组 <gnome-cn-list(a)gnome.org> 2015年香港的开源年会（2015年5月15～16日），正在征演讲。截稿日期是2015年1月11日。提交地址：https://docs.google.com/forms/d/10VreZ2cSFwSRo449Of3YDnucKZj3FRSHtF4Wx… ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 14:33:10 +0800 From: Alick Zhao <alick9188(a)gmail.com> To: Fedora Chinese <chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Subject: Re: [FZH] Fwd: Call For Proposals - Hong Kong Open Source Conference 2015 Message-ID: <54A8DEA6.2000504(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 囧……原来我转发过一次…… Thunderbird 的线索功能帮我自动找到了1个月前的…… -- Alick Fedora release 20 (Heisenbug) user https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Chinese mailing list Chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese End of Chinese Digest, Vol 1127, Issue 1 ****************************************

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[FZH] Fwd: Call For Proposals - Hong Kong Open Source Conference 2015
by Alick Zhao 04 Jan '15

04 Jan '15

香港的社区大会 HKOSC 2015: http://2015.opensource.hk/ 主题为：Cloud // Maker // Community // Startup 欢迎社区成员积极投稿！ -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Call For Proposals - Hong Kong Open Source Conference 2015 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 18:28:56 +0800 From: tong hui <tonghuix(a)gmail.com> To: 北京gnome用户组 <gnome-cn-list(a)gnome.org> 2015年香港的开源年会（2015年5月15～16日），正在征演讲。截稿日期是2015年1月11日。提交地址：https://docs.google.com/forms/d/10VreZ2cSFwSRo449Of3YDnucKZj3FRSHtF4Wx…

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Re: [FZH] Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1
by ak_birdofprey 03 Jan '15

03 Jan '15

fedora 就叫fedora，分成什么服务器呀，桌面呀;这实际上本身就是对社区的一种分裂。于此相比，我更喜欢DEBIAN那样的发行方式，Debian就叫debian，没有什么服务器版桌面版的区别，要什么功能装软件组件就是了，希望fedora也能向debian学习。苹果也是值得学习的，就界面和系统配置文件这点来说，其他系统是比不上的，这给用户带来很多方便，大道致简呀,个人觉得DEBIAN的全软件组件包ISO发布方式，最让用户省心和简单方便。所以还是一直玩DEBIAN得了。现在FEDORA也是不断的把所有的东西都放在所谓的云上。不能自由下载使用本身已经是一种不自由了。而且版本分的太多感觉太凌乱，让人无所适从，同时所谓的在线组件安装也让人感觉到非常的不方便使用。为FEDORA社区祈祷，不要因为REDHAT的官僚作风让社区最后演化成一个僵尸社区（那种缺少活力，就像僵尸们盅邪一样的一意孤行）。REDHAT对FEDORA系统的国多版本划分很容易让社区用户走进选择悖论的区域。这样导致的结果就是用户最后无所适从也就没有选择，最后很可能的结果就是用户选择更简单的版本而离开FEDORA社区。作为FEDORA的一个多年的爱好者用户。真希望REDHAT能作出更好的选择，保持LINUX继承UNIX的大道至简原则。继续保持FEDORA单一版本的发行方式，也许这样会带给社区更好的未来。。 At 2014-12-05 20:00:01, chinese-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: >Send Chinese mailing list submissions to > chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > chinese-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > chinese-owner(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Chinese digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. [Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Chinese (alick9188(a)gmail.com) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 09:00:02 +0000 (UTC) >From: alick9188(a)gmail.com >To: chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >Subject: [FZH] [Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Chinese >Message-ID: > <20141205090002.22A8260A9588(a)fedocal02.phx2.fedoraproject.org> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >Dear all, > >You are kindly invited to the meeting: > Chinese on 2014-12-05 from 21:00:00 to 22:00:00 Asia/Shanghai > At fedora-zh(a)irc.freenode.net > >The meeting will be about: >Weekly meeting to discuss issues and planning for the [Fedora Chinese User Group (FZUG)](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zh ). > >Please refer to [previous meetings](http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/ ) for meeting agenda and add your own topic by posting to the [Fedora Chinese mailing list](https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese ). > >[Fedora 中文用户组 (FZUG)](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zh ) 每周 IRC 会议，讨论社区当下事务以及未来规划。 > >请参阅[历史会议记录](http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/ )以了解常规的会议议程。您可以通过向 [Fedora 中文邮件列表](https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese )发送邮件添加会议话题. > > >Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar//meeting/470/ > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Chinese mailing list >Chinese(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese > > >End of Chinese Digest, Vol 1103, Issue 1 >****************************************

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[FZH] Fedora Chinese Meeting Minutes (2015-1-2)
by Zamir Sun 02 Jan '15

02 Jan '15

Hi all, Happy new year! The IRC meeting minutes today are available at the links below. Thanks everyone for attending the meeting. In the meeting we mainly talked about Offline Activities, FZUG local repo and so on. Please review the proposed ideas and actions. The next IRC meeting will be held on next Friday (2015-01-09). Please come and join the discussion if you can! Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2015-01-02/fedora-zh.2015-01-02-… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2015-01-02/fedora-zh.2015-01-02-… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2015-01-02/fedora-zh.2015-01-02-… ================== #fedora-zh Meeting ================== Meeting started by zsun at 13:01:19 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2015-01-02/fedora-zh.2015-01-02-… . Meeting summary --------------- * roll call (zsun, 13:01:25) * topic: Offline events (zsun, 13:04:16) * topic: FZUG Websites and fedora-cn package repo (zsun, 13:04:24) * topic: FZUG wiki page (zsun, 13:04:33) * topic: Common Bugs (zsun, 13:06:30) * Offline events 线下活动 (zsun, 13:07:20) * Fedora 21 Release Party, Saturday, 24th Jan. (zsun, 13:08:04) * Hardware Freedom Day is shifted to January this year (zsun, 13:08:32) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F21_Beijing (alick, 13:08:53) * LINK: http://mail.sf-day.org/pipermail/sfd-announce/2014-December/000143.html (zsun, 13:09:24) * IDEA: hold HFD and Fedora 21 Release Party in the same day (zsun, 13:11:47) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F21_Taipei (alick, 13:12:35) * ACTION: alick distribute polo shirts to registered ambassadors (zsun, 13:15:02) * ACTION: zsun ask Red Hat Beijing to see if someone have a topic for HFD (zsun, 13:29:29) * ACTION: alick zsun find product logo of Fedora 21 for stickers (zsun, 13:30:41) * FZUG Websites and fedora-cn package repo (zsun, 13:32:16) * LINK: http://mirrors.fdzh.org/ (tvvocold, 13:32:37) * LINK: http://copr.fedoraproject.org/ (tvvocold, 13:50:44) * HELP: need someone to maintain a package list for localized repo (zsun, 13:51:48) * FZUG wiki page (zsun, 13:56:18) * （story) 还剩下约30多个链接待处理。另外就是理出得多后发现很多链接没翻译，用（en）标注了。 (zsun, 13:56:51) * Common Bugs (zsun, 13:58:33) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1045548 (zsun, 14:01:18) * openfloor (zsun, 14:07:47) * ACTION: zsun tvvocold alick tonghuix query cicku, robin about packaging for local repo (zsun, 14:17:53) * IDEA: we can use docker to run build system (zsun, 14:21:56) * ACTION: zsun query Robin cicku for building rpm build system using koji/docker (zsun, 14:35:17) Meeting ended at 14:40:55 UTC. Action Items ------------ * alick distribute polo shirts to registered ambassadors * zsun ask Red Hat Beijing to see if someone have a topic for HFD * alick zsun find product logo of Fedora 21 for stickers * zsun tvvocold alick tonghuix query cicku, robin about packaging for local repo * zsun query Robin cicku for building rpm build system using koji/docker Action Items, by person ----------------------- * alick * alick distribute polo shirts to registered ambassadors * alick zsun find product logo of Fedora 21 for stickers * zsun tvvocold alick tonghuix query cicku, robin about packaging for local repo * tonghuix * zsun tvvocold alick tonghuix query cicku, robin about packaging for local repo * tvvocold * zsun tvvocold alick tonghuix query cicku, robin about packaging for local repo * zsun * zsun ask Red Hat Beijing to see if someone have a topic for HFD * alick zsun find product logo of Fedora 21 for stickers * zsun tvvocold alick tonghuix query cicku, robin about packaging for local repo * zsun query Robin cicku for building rpm build system using koji/docker * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * zsun (155) * alick (61) * biergaizi (27) * tvvocold (22) * tonghuix (18) * BadGirl (9) * zodbot (7) * biergaizi_ (6) * isyangxin (1) * Pany (0) * endle (0) * zsun_web (0) * tiansworld (0)

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