I'm sorry if the Bid failed for us after so many efforts. However APAC Bid won't work if we don't speak English like an India AS WELL AS WE ATTEND THE MEETING AT REQUIRED TIME. Unfortunately I don't read the list, thus missed the meeting, so do you.
从会议记录上看，时间很短，说得也不多，究竟是什么影响了作出决定？在会议结束前似乎还没有决定，会议记录出来以后，又仿佛每个人都知道最终结果了。这个沟通效率是不是高得离谱了？
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Buddhika Kurera bckurera@fedoraproject.org Date: 2011/6/30 Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] FUDCon APAC bids To: ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org
Hello, APAC had a special meatting yesterday to discuss the FUDcon bids. Fortunately we had one from India to answer our questions. Please find minutes http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2011-06-29/apac.2011-06-29... Hope you will find this "voice from APAC" useful. Thanks
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Jared K. Smith jsmith@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Pierros Papadeas ppapadeas@gmail.com wrote:
As Chair of FAmSCo I am asking Board and FPL to delay the decision making until at least upcoming Saturday.
OK, I'll wait to make my decision until after Saturday. I'm on the road this week, so waiting a few more days actually makes the communication a bit easier. Please be aware that there are several factors that I'm going to use to make my decision, including feedback from Ambassadors and FAmSCo, feedback from other contributors in the area, evaluation of travel costs, and feedback from Red Hat as the primary sponsor of the event. So don't feel like I'm putting all the responsibility for the decision on your shoulders -- I'll take your input and add it to the rest of the feedback I receive and make the final decision.
-- Jared Smith Fedora Project Leader -- ambassadors mailing list ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors
-- Regards, Buddhike Chandradeepa Kurera The Editor in Chief - FOSS User Magazine Fedora Ambassador - Sri Lanka
-- ambassadors mailing list ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors
On Jun 30, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Yuan Yijun bbbush.yuan@gmail.com wrote:
I'm sorry if the Bid failed for us after so many efforts. However APAC Bid won't work if we don't speak English like an India AS WELL AS WE ATTEND THE MEETING AT REQUIRED TIME. Unfortunately I don't read the list, thus missed the meeting, so do you.
从会议记录上看，时间很短，说得也不多，究竟是什么影响了作出决定？在会议结束前似乎还没有决定，会议记录出来以后，又仿佛每个人都知道最终结果了。这个沟通效率是不是高得离谱了？
-- bbbush ^_^ ______________________________
最终决定在周六。
gbraad 早已提醒過大家如果要促成 FUDCON 在國內舉行，就要合力把那個 WIKI 盡力加入有用的信息。
印度有舉行 FUDCON 的經驗，大家要成功就要投入更多的精力。
還有大家也要更踊躍的申請成為大使和多多安排線下活動／FAD，就像 liangsuilong 、bbbush 他們。
就算今次沒有成功，只要大家都加入成為大使，明年再選 FAMSCO 的時候我或 gbraad 可以連任的話，明年也很大機會回到國內舉行 FUDCON APAC 的。
因此現在大家要做的是在大使組列表、大使組會議、線下活動爭取中文用戶的曝光率，不然我們甚麼目標都沒有資格談。
謝謝請拍磚。
K410
2011/6/30 Tiansworld tiansworld@gmail.com
On Jun 30, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Yuan Yijun bbbush.yuan@gmail.com wrote:
I'm sorry if the Bid failed for us after so many efforts. However APAC Bid won't work if we don't speak English like an India AS WELL AS WE ATTEND THE MEETING AT REQUIRED TIME. Unfortunately I don't read the list, thus missed the meeting, so do you.
从会议记录上看，时间很短，说得也不多，究竟是什么影响了作出决定？在会议结束前似乎还没有决定，会议记录出来以后，又仿佛每个人都知道最终结果了。这个沟通效率是不是高得离谱了？
-- bbbush ^_^ ______________________________
最终决定在周六。 _______________________________________________ Chinese mailing list Chinese at lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese
On 06/30/2011 07:48 PM, Caius 'kaio' Chance wrote:
gbraad 早已提醒過大家如果要促成 FUDCON 在國內舉行，就要合力把那個 WIKI 盡力加入有用的信息。
印度有舉行 FUDCON 的經驗，大家要成功就要投入更多的精力。
還有大家也要更踊躍的申請成為大使和多多安排線下活動／FAD，就像 liangsuilong 、bbbush 他們。
就算今次沒有成功，只要大家都加入成為大使，明年再選 FAMSCO 的時候我或 gbraad 可以連任的話，明年也很大機會回到國內舉行 FUDCON APAC 的。
因此現在大家要做的是在大使組列表、大使組會議、線下活動爭取中文用戶的曝光率，不然我們甚麼目標都沒有資格談。
謝謝請拍磚。
K410
kaio 说的没错。大使列表的讨论我看了一部分，也发言了两次。各个大使的根据 都很客观，那就是印度的 WIKI 页面有更完整的更详细的组织、安排、人员等信 息。印度的贡献人员和大使也较多，同时还有举办 FUDCon 的经验。几乎是一边倒 的倾向于在印度举办。 所谓：getting things done
我们仍需努力。
2011/6/30 Tiansworld tiansworld@fedoraproject.org
On 06/30/2011 07:48 PM, Caius 'kaio' Chance wrote:
gbraad 早已提醒過大家如果要促成 FUDCON 在國內舉行，就要合力把那個 WIKI 盡力加入有用的信息。
印度有舉行 FUDCON 的經驗，大家要成功就要投入更多的精力。
還有大家也要更踊躍的申請成為大使和多多安排線下活動／FAD，就像 liangsuilong 、bbbush 他們。
就算今次沒有成功，只要大家都加入成為大使，明年再選 FAMSCO 的時候我或 gbraad 可以連任的話，明年也很大機會回到國內舉行 FUDCON APAC 的。
因此現在大家要做的是在大使組列表、大使組會議、線下活動爭取中文用戶的曝光率，不然我們甚麼目標都沒有資格談。
謝謝請拍磚。
K410
kaio 说的没错。大使列表的讨论我看了一部分，也发言了两次。各个大使的根据 都很客观，那就是印度的 WIKI 页面有更完整的更详细的组织、安排、人员等信 息。印度的贡献人员和大使也较多，同时还有举办 FUDCon 的经验。几乎是一边倒 的倾向于在印度举办。 所谓：getting things done
我们仍需努力。
今年結果如何，我們都要先為年底打算。我們要更多大使，然後在年底 FAMSCO 委員會的時候以人數推高票源。
明晚的聚會我們要組織好，週末盡量幫忙一下。
K410
gbraad 给我发信后一直没回，因为最近几天一直在思考这个问题：
FUDCon 吸引朝内子民的原因的地方在哪里？
和来自全球各地的 Fedora 用户和开发人员交流什么？ 尤其是各位贡献者朋友们，应该问问自己这样的问题。
在 Bid 页面上，有 Mozilla China，有 China Mobile，就是缺乏 Fedora 中文区的东西。 最不想看到的结果是 FUDCon Beijing is Just Another FUDCon Asia。
希望大家可以一起想想那些展现 Fedora 中文的 Topic 以期做为会议期间的环节，具有吸引力的。 比如 microcai 的 Linux kernel UTF-8 ？
此致敬礼 黑日白月
2011/6/30 Caius 'kaio' Chance kaio@fedoraproject.org:
2011/6/30 Tiansworld tiansworld@fedoraproject.org
On 06/30/2011 07:48 PM, Caius 'kaio' Chance wrote:
gbraad 早已提醒過大家如果要促成 FUDCON 在國內舉行，就要合力把那個 WIKI 盡力加入有用的信息。
印度有舉行 FUDCON 的經驗，大家要成功就要投入更多的精力。
還有大家也要更踊躍的申請成為大使和多多安排線下活動／FAD，就像 liangsuilong 、bbbush 他們。
就算今次沒有成功，只要大家都加入成為大使，明年再選 FAMSCO 的時候我或 gbraad 可以連任的話，明年也很大機會回到國內舉行 FUDCON APAC 的。
因此現在大家要做的是在大使組列表、大使組會議、線下活動爭取中文用戶的曝光率，不然我們甚麼目標都沒有資格談。
謝謝請拍磚。
K410
kaio 说的没错。大使列表的讨论我看了一部分，也发言了两次。各个大使的根据 都很客观，那就是印度的 WIKI 页面有更完整的更详细的组织、安排、人员等信 息。印度的贡献人员和大使也较多，同时还有举办 FUDCon 的经验。几乎是一边倒 的倾向于在印度举办。 所谓：getting things done
我们仍需努力。
今年結果如何，我們都要先為年底打算。我們要更多大使，然後在年底 FAMSCO 委員會的時候以人數推高票源。
明晚的聚會我們要組織好，週末盡量幫忙一下。
K410
-- Regards ☺ Caius 'kaio' Chance - Fedora Project Contributor http:// goo.gl/9WWWC http://goo.gl/9WWWCIRC: kaio @ freenode | Twitter/Weibo: @K410 | Blog: kaio.net _______________________________________________ Chinese mailing list Chinese at lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese
2011/7/1 Tommy He lovenemesis@fedoraproject.org
gbraad 给我发信后一直没回，因为最近几天一直在思考这个问题：
FUDCon 吸引朝内子民的原因的地方在哪里？
和来自全球各地的 Fedora 用户和开发人员交流什么？ 尤其是各位贡献者朋友们，应该问问自己这样的问题。
在 Bid 页面上，有 Mozilla China，有 China Mobile，就是缺乏 Fedora 中文区的东西。 最不想看到的结果是 FUDCon Beijing is Just Another FUDCon Asia。
希望大家可以一起想想那些展现 Fedora 中文的 Topic 以期做为会议期间的环节，具有吸引力的。 比如 microcai 的 Linux kernel UTF-8 ？
我作了一個深入的思考，結論還是不贊成北京舉辦今年的 FUDCon。我把它寫成英文回覆到大使列表了，以下為原文和中文提要；我覺得這不是要不要支持自己人的問題，而是我們今年勉強硬來辦的話失敗的風險實在太大了：
1. 工作人員不足：只有 6 位大使，加上香港 4 人才 10 人；印度 40 人的規模，5 倍人力。我們顧一個攤位的人力都可能剛剛好。
2. 缺乏活動經驗：梁牛最近的 FAD 才第一次使用了經費報銷程序，連 FAD 都是初辦怎樣應付幾百人的 FUDCON？印度 WIKI 頁演講主題和註冊參與者的內容，保守估計印度比中國準備是 2 倍以上吧。
3. RH CN 沒有支持：多年來都沒有支持社區，一聽到可能在北京辦就瘋了馬上來爭風說幫忙。
5 X 2，要在中國辦的難度有高於 10 𠍁鑿
原文： Hi,
I had been reading this thread along, discussed with the China community on mailing lists and during our weekly meetings. This is not surprised to see the APAC countries with the most population are making the bid. It is no doubt that which bid won to hold FUDCon, will benefit the community of such country and surround regions.
Personally, even I am a member of Chinese community, I am hereby supporting India for FUDCon 2011. China is just not ready for having a FUDCon this year. These are the my reasons:
1. Lack of local ambassadors - According to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification , there are only 6 (10 if Hong Kong FAms are included). Compare to 39 in India, it is approximately 5 times difference. This is just the head number only, please see point 2.
2. Lack of FUDCon (even FAD) experience - India has done FUDCon in past and several FAD are happening throughout the year. And China just has her first FAD (at Guang Zhou) which went the reimbursement process with FAmSCo. As it can be shown from the quantity and quality of information in wiki pages of both bids, conservatively India has 2 times of preparation served for this event than China.
3. Lack of supports from Red Hat - Red Hat China Office (Beijing) had not supported domestic Fedora activities for years. AFAIK, there had been no financial/swag/people supports ever from Beijing office for organizing community activities. Fedora Chinese User Group (FZUG) contacted RH China requested collaboration to boost the growth of Fedora community but cold or nil response received. Some of the FZUG members / FAms instead contacted directly to Community Architecture Team in RH US headquarter or Singapore office for assistance. Now when Beijing office heard about the bid of FUDCon 2011 and becomes extremely excited to promote their "exposure" in open source community, eagerly offers hands. Remember, no FAD were supported by Beijing office ever except a couple of her staff attended a couple of meetups voluntary only in years.
Above reasons justify the great risk that FUDCon will be very likely failed if it is held in China this year. In terms of the gap between India and China in width and depth, the difficulty to make successful FUDCon 2011 in China is 10+ times higher than in India. Assume the point 1 and 2 can be coped at the end, I do doubt that RH China office can keep their interest in growth of community after the event. An one off fragile event with no after plan to sustain the heat, is a waste of annual FUDCon APAC chance. We want a FUDCon for Fedora event, not a RH event.
My suggestions is let India do FUDCon 2011, and China's focus on this year:
1. Recruits more ambassadors 2. Raises technical levels of contributors/users/developers for talks 3. Organizes FADs with media, swags, reimbursement processes 4. Build up the link between community and RH China (w/ US, Singapore offices are just not enough!), but this involve participation from both sides 5. Makes all above an iteration
Yes, China still need to compete among other bids in 2012, so it is necessary to act right now. Good luck to India and China, will be glad to the results and be proud of the transparency.
Regards, kaio
On 3 July 2011 03:59, Caius 'kaio' Chance kaio@fedoraproject.org wrote:
2011/7/1 Tommy He lovenemesis@fedoraproject.org
gbraad 给我发信后一直没回，因为最近几天一直在思考这个问题：
FUDCon 吸引朝内子民的原因的地方在哪里？
和来自全球各地的 Fedora 用户和开发人员交流什么？ 尤其是各位贡献者朋友们，应该问问自己这样的问题。
在 Bid 页面上，有 Mozilla China，有 China Mobile，就是缺乏 Fedora 中文区的东西。 最不想看到的结果是 FUDCon Beijing is Just Another FUDCon Asia。
希望大家可以一起想想那些展现 Fedora 中文的 Topic 以期做为会议期间的环节，具有吸引力的。 比如 microcai 的 Linux kernel UTF-8 ？
我作了一個深入的思考，結論還是不贊成北京舉辦今年的 FUDCon。我把它寫成英文回覆到大使列表了，以下為原文和中文提要；我覺得這不是要不要支持自己人的問題，而是我們今年勉強硬來辦的話失敗的風險實在太大了：
工作人員不足：只有 6 位大使，加上香港 4 人才 10 人；印度 40 人的規模，5 倍人力。我們顧一個攤位的人力都可能剛剛好。
缺乏活動經驗：梁牛最近的 FAD 才第一次使用了經費報銷程序，連 FAD 都是初辦怎樣應付幾百人的 FUDCON？印度 WIKI
頁演講主題和註冊參與者的內容，保守估計印度比中國準備是 2 倍以上吧。
- RH CN 沒有支持：多年來都沒有支持社區，一聽到可能在北京辦就瘋了馬上來爭風說幫忙。
5 X 2，要在中國辦的難度有比在印度辦高於 10 倍。再者，要是在中國辧在缺乏本地貢獻者的前提下，只會淪為 “RH 北京主辦”（我真的相信會有這一行出現在某些宣傳材料中呢）；我們不要 yet another RH event，而是 an unique Fedora event！
了解帝都能辦 FUDCON 是充滿光榮感，可是自私的硬要勉強辦，只會蹧蹋每年一度的 FUDCon。
我們壓根心裏沒底。好好的用這一年多招大使、多辦活動、多提升技術水平、盡力建立與 RH 的橋樑，並一直持續下去，再來自信的爭辦好嗎？
PS：可惜，我並不保證明年，我還有沒有像發揮今年的作用。XD
K410
原文： Hi,
I had been reading this thread along, discussed with the China community on mailing lists and during our weekly meetings. This is not surprised to see the APAC countries with the most population are making the bid. It is no doubt that which bid won to hold FUDCon, will benefit the community of such country and surround regions.
Personally, even I am a member of Chinese community, I am hereby supporting India for FUDCon 2011. China is just not ready for having a FUDCon this year. These are the my reasons:
- Lack of local ambassadors - According to
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification , there are only 6 (10 if Hong Kong FAms are included). Compare to 39 in India, it is approximately 5 times difference. This is just the head number only, please see point 2.
- Lack of FUDCon (even FAD) experience - India has done FUDCon in past
and several FAD are happening throughout the year. And China just has her first FAD (at Guang Zhou) which went the reimbursement process with FAmSCo. As it can be shown from the quantity and quality of information in wiki pages of both bids, conservatively India has 2 times of preparation served for this event than China.
- Lack of supports from Red Hat - Red Hat China Office (Beijing) had
not supported domestic Fedora activities for years. AFAIK, there had been no financial/swag/people supports ever from Beijing office for organizing community activities. Fedora Chinese User Group (FZUG) contacted RH China requested collaboration to boost the growth of Fedora community but cold or nil response received. Some of the FZUG members / FAms instead contacted directly to Community Architecture Team in RH US headquarter or Singapore office for assistance. Now when Beijing office heard about the bid of FUDCon 2011 and becomes extremely excited to promote their "exposure" in open source community, eagerly offers hands. Remember, no FAD were supported by Beijing office ever except a couple of her staff attended a couple of meetups voluntary only in years.
Above reasons justify the great risk that FUDCon will be very likely failed if it is held in China this year. In terms of the gap between India and China in width and depth, the difficulty to make successful FUDCon 2011 in China is 10+ times higher than in India. Assume the point 1 and 2 can be coped at the end, I do doubt that RH China office can keep their interest in growth of community after the event. An one off fragile event with no after plan to sustain the heat, is a waste of annual FUDCon APAC chance. We want a FUDCon for Fedora event, not a RH event.
My suggestions is let India do FUDCon 2011, and China's focus on this year:
- Recruits more ambassadors
- Raises technical levels of contributors/users/developers for talks
- Organizes FADs with media, swags, reimbursement processes
- Build up the link between community and RH China (w/ US, Singapore
offices are just not enough!), but this involve participation from both sides 5. Makes all above an iteration
Yes, China still need to compete among other bids in 2012, so it is necessary to act right now. Good luck to India and China, will be glad to the results and be proud of the transparency.
Regards, kaio
-- Regards ☺ Caius 'kaio' Chance - Fedora Project Contributor http:// goo.gl/9WWWC http://goo.gl/9WWWCIRC: kaio @ freenode | Twitter/Weibo: @K410 | Blog: kaio.net
On 2011年07月03日 02:10, Caius 'kaio' Chance wrote:
On 3 July 2011 03:59, Caius 'kaio' Chance kaio@fedoraproject.org wrote:
2011/7/1 Tommy He lovenemesis@fedoraproject.org
gbraad 给我发信后一直没回，因为最近几天一直在思考这个问题：
FUDCon 吸引朝内子民的原因的地方在哪里？
和来自全球各地的 Fedora 用户和开发人员交流什么？ 尤其是各位贡献者朋友们，应该问问自己这样的问题。
在 Bid 页面上，有 Mozilla China，有 China Mobile，就是缺乏 Fedora 中文区的东西。 最不想看到的结果是 FUDCon Beijing is Just Another FUDCon Asia。
希望大家可以一起想想那些展现 Fedora 中文的 Topic 以期做为会议期间的环节，具有吸引力的。 比如 microcai 的 Linux kernel UTF-8 ？
我作了一個深入的思考，結論還是不贊成北京舉辦今年的 FUDCon。我把它寫成英文回覆到大使列表了，以下為原文和中文提要；我覺得這不是要不要支持自己人的問題，而是我們今年勉強硬來辦的話失敗的風險實在太大了：
工作人員不足：只有 6 位大使，加上香港 4 人才 10 人；印度 40 人的規模，5 倍人力。我們顧一個攤位的人力都可能剛剛好。
缺乏活動經驗：梁牛最近的 FAD 才第一次使用了經費報銷程序，連 FAD 都是初辦怎樣應付幾百人的 FUDCON？印度 WIKI
頁演講主題和註冊參與者的內容，保守估計印度比中國準備是 2 倍以上吧。
- RH CN 沒有支持：多年來都沒有支持社區，一聽到可能在北京辦就瘋了馬上來爭風說幫忙。
5 X 2，要在中國辦的難度有比在印度辦高於 10 倍。再者，要是在中國辧在缺乏本地貢獻者的前提下，只會淪為 “RH 北京主辦”（我真的相信會有這一行出現在某些宣傳材料中呢）；我們不要 yet another RH event，而是 an unique Fedora event！
了解帝都能辦 FUDCON 是充滿光榮感，可是自私的硬要勉強辦，只會蹧蹋每年一度的 FUDCon。
我們壓根心裏沒底。好好的用這一年多招大使、多辦活動、多提升技術水平、盡力建立與 RH 的橋樑，並一直持續下去，再來自信的爭辦好嗎？
PS：可惜，我並不保證明年，我還有沒有像發揮今年的作用。XD
K410
原文： Hi,
I had been reading this thread along, discussed with the China community on mailing lists and during our weekly meetings. This is not surprised to see the APAC countries with the most population are making the bid. It is no doubt that which bid won to hold FUDCon, will benefit the community of such country and surround regions.
Personally, even I am a member of Chinese community, I am hereby supporting India for FUDCon 2011. China is just not ready for having a FUDCon this year. These are the my reasons:
- Lack of local ambassadors - According to
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification , there are only 6 (10 if Hong Kong FAms are included). Compare to 39 in India, it is approximately 5 times difference. This is just the head number only, please see point 2.
- Lack of FUDCon (even FAD) experience - India has done FUDCon in past
and several FAD are happening throughout the year. And China just has her first FAD (at Guang Zhou) which went the reimbursement process with FAmSCo. As it can be shown from the quantity and quality of information in wiki pages of both bids, conservatively India has 2 times of preparation served for this event than China.
- Lack of supports from Red Hat - Red Hat China Office (Beijing) had
not supported domestic Fedora activities for years. AFAIK, there had been no financial/swag/people supports ever from Beijing office for organizing community activities. Fedora Chinese User Group (FZUG) contacted RH China requested collaboration to boost the growth of Fedora community but cold or nil response received. Some of the FZUG members / FAms instead contacted directly to Community Architecture Team in RH US headquarter or Singapore office for assistance. Now when Beijing office heard about the bid of FUDCon 2011 and becomes extremely excited to promote their "exposure" in open source community, eagerly offers hands. Remember, no FAD were supported by Beijing office ever except a couple of her staff attended a couple of meetups voluntary only in years.
帝都的 RH 真 TMD 恶心啊！
Above reasons justify the great risk that FUDCon will be very likely failed if it is held in China this year. In terms of the gap between India and China in width and depth, the difficulty to make successful FUDCon 2011 in China is 10+ times higher than in India. Assume the point 1 and 2 can be coped at the end, I do doubt that RH China office can keep their interest in growth of community after the event. An one off fragile event with no after plan to sustain the heat, is a waste of annual FUDCon APAC chance. We want a FUDCon for Fedora event, not a RH event.
My suggestions is let India do FUDCon 2011, and China's focus on this year:
- Recruits more ambassadors
- Raises technical levels of contributors/users/developers for talks
- Organizes FADs with media, swags, reimbursement processes
- Build up the link between community and RH China (w/ US, Singapore
offices are just not enough!), but this involve participation from both sides 5. Makes all above an iteration
Yes, China still need to compete among other bids in 2012, so it is necessary to act right now. Good luck to India and China, will be glad to the results and be proud of the transparency.
Regards, kaio
-- Regards ☺ Caius 'kaio' Chance - Fedora Project Contributor http:// goo.gl/9WWWC http://goo.gl/9WWWCIRC: kaio @ freenode | Twitter/Weibo: @K410 | Blog: kaio.net
求八卦！
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 12:18 PM, microcai microcai@fedoraproject.orgwrote:
On 2011年07月03日 02:10, Caius 'kaio' Chance wrote:
On 3 July 2011 03:59, Caius 'kaio' Chance kaio@fedoraproject.org
wrote:
2011/7/1 Tommy He lovenemesis@fedoraproject.org
gbraad 给我发信后一直没回，因为最近几天一直在思考这个问题：
FUDCon 吸引朝内子民的原因的地方在哪里？
和来自全球各地的 Fedora 用户和开发人员交流什么？ 尤其是各位贡献者朋友们，应该问问自己这样的问题。
在 Bid 页面上，有 Mozilla China，有 China Mobile，就是缺乏 Fedora 中文区的东西。 最不想看到的结果是 FUDCon Beijing is Just Another FUDCon Asia。
希望大家可以一起想想那些展现 Fedora 中文的 Topic 以期做为会议期间的环节，具有吸引力的。 比如 microcai 的 Linux kernel UTF-8 ？
我作了一個深入的思考，結論還是不贊成北京舉辦今年的
FUDCon。我把它寫成英文回覆到大使列表了，以下為原文和中文提要；我覺得這不是要不要支持自己人的問題，而是我們今年勉強硬來辦的話失敗的風險實在太大了：
工作人員不足：只有 6 位大使，加上香港 4 人才 10 人；印度 40 人的規模，5 倍人力。我們顧一個攤位的人力都可能剛剛好。
缺乏活動經驗：梁牛最近的 FAD 才第一次使用了經費報銷程序，連 FAD 都是初辦怎樣應付幾百人的 FUDCON？印度 WIKI
頁演講主題和註冊參與者的內容，保守估計印度比中國準備是 2 倍以上吧。
- RH CN 沒有支持：多年來都沒有支持社區，一聽到可能在北京辦就瘋了馬上來爭風說幫忙。
5 X 2，要在中國辦的難度有比在印度辦高於 10 倍。再者，要是在中國辧在缺乏本地貢獻者的前提下，只會淪為 “RH 北京主辦”（我真的相信會有這一行出現在某些宣傳材料中呢）；我們不要 yet another RH event，而是 an unique
Fedora
event！
了解帝都能辦 FUDCON 是充滿光榮感，可是自私的硬要勉強辦，只會蹧蹋每年一度的 FUDCon。
我們壓根心裏沒底。好好的用這一年多招大使、多辦活動、多提升技術水平、盡力建立與 RH 的橋樑，並一直持續下去，再來自信的爭辦好嗎？
PS：可惜，我並不保證明年，我還有沒有像發揮今年的作用。XD
K410
原文： Hi,
I had been reading this thread along, discussed with the China community
on
mailing lists and during our weekly meetings. This is not surprised to
see
the APAC countries with the most population are making the bid. It is no doubt that which bid won to hold FUDCon, will benefit the community of
such
country and surround regions.
Personally, even I am a member of Chinese community, I am hereby
supporting
India for FUDCon 2011. China is just not ready for having a FUDCon this year. These are the my reasons:
- Lack of local ambassadors - According to
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification,
there are only 6 (10 if Hong Kong FAms are included). Compare to 39
in
India, it is approximately 5 times difference. This is just the head
number
only, please see point 2.
- Lack of FUDCon (even FAD) experience - India has done FUDCon in
past
and several FAD are happening throughout the year. And China just has
her
first FAD (at Guang Zhou) which went the reimbursement process with
FAmSCo.
As it can be shown from the quantity and quality of information in
wiki
pages of both bids, conservatively India has 2 times of preparation
served
for this event than China.
- Lack of supports from Red Hat - Red Hat China Office (Beijing) had
not supported domestic Fedora activities for years. AFAIK, there had
been no
financial/swag/people supports ever from Beijing office for
organizing
community activities. Fedora Chinese User Group (FZUG) contacted RH
China
requested collaboration to boost the growth of Fedora community but
cold or
nil response received. Some of the FZUG members / FAms instead
contacted
directly to Community Architecture Team in RH US headquarter or
Singapore
office for assistance. Now when Beijing office heard about the bid of
FUDCon
2011 and becomes extremely excited to promote their "exposure" in
open
source community, eagerly offers hands. Remember, no FAD were
supported by
Beijing office ever except a couple of her staff attended a couple of meetups voluntary only in years.
帝都的 RH 真 TMD 恶心啊！
Above reasons justify the great risk that FUDCon will be very likely
failed
if it is held in China this year. In terms of the gap between India and China in width and depth, the difficulty to make successful FUDCon 2011
in
China is 10+ times higher than in India. Assume the point 1 and 2 can be coped at the end, I do doubt that RH China office can keep their
interest in
growth of community after the event. An one off fragile event with no
after
plan to sustain the heat, is a waste of annual FUDCon APAC chance. We
want a
FUDCon for Fedora event, not a RH event.
My suggestions is let India do FUDCon 2011, and China's focus on this
year:
- Recruits more ambassadors
- Raises technical levels of contributors/users/developers for talks
- Organizes FADs with media, swags, reimbursement processes
- Build up the link between community and RH China (w/ US, Singapore
offices are just not enough!), but this involve participation from
both
sides 5. Makes all above an iteration
Yes, China still need to compete among other bids in 2012, so it is necessary to act right now. Good luck to India and China, will be glad
to
the results and be proud of the transparency.
Regards, kaio
-- Regards ☺ Caius 'kaio' Chance - Fedora Project Contributor http:// goo.gl/9WWWC http://goo.gl/9WWWCIRC: kaio @ freenode | Twitter/Weibo: @K410 |
Blog:
kaio.net
Chinese mailing list Chinese at lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese
你求微菜寫一篇 “菜菜帝都考試記”。
K410
On 4 July 2011 01:27, Yoda Jahweh jhwhbd@gmail.com wrote:
求八卦！
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 12:18 PM, microcai <microcai@fedoraproject.org
wrote:
On 2011年07月03日 02:10, Caius 'kaio' Chance wrote:
On 3 July 2011 03:59, Caius 'kaio' Chance kaio@fedoraproject.org
wrote:
2011/7/1 Tommy He lovenemesis@fedoraproject.org
gbraad 给我发信后一直没回，因为最近几天一直在思考这个问题：
FUDCon 吸引朝内子民的原因的地方在哪里？
和来自全球各地的 Fedora 用户和开发人员交流什么？ 尤其是各位贡献者朋友们，应该问问自己这样的问题。
在 Bid 页面上，有 Mozilla China，有 China Mobile，就是缺乏 Fedora 中文区的东西。 最不想看到的结果是 FUDCon Beijing is Just Another FUDCon Asia。
希望大家可以一起想想那些展现 Fedora 中文的 Topic 以期做为会议期间的环节，具有吸引力的。 比如 microcai 的 Linux kernel UTF-8 ？
我作了一個深入的思考，結論還是不贊成北京舉辦今年的
FUDCon。我把它寫成英文回覆到大使列表了，以下為原文和中文提要；我覺得這不是要不要支持自己人的問題，而是我們今年勉強硬來辦的話失敗的風險實在太大了：
- 工作人員不足：只有 6 位大使，加上香港 4 人才 10 人；印度 40 人的規模，5
倍人力。我們顧一個攤位的人力都可能剛剛好。
- 缺乏活動經驗：梁牛最近的 FAD 才第一次使用了經費報銷程序，連 FAD 都是初辦怎樣應付幾百人的 FUDCON？印度 WIKI
頁演講主題和註冊參與者的內容，保守估計印度比中國準備是 2 倍以上吧。
- RH CN 沒有支持：多年來都沒有支持社區，一聽到可能在北京辦就瘋了馬上來爭風說幫忙。
5 X 2，要在中國辦的難度有比在印度辦高於 10 倍。再者，要是在中國辧在缺乏本地貢獻者的前提下，只會淪為 “RH 北京主辦”（我真的相信會有這一行出現在某些宣傳材料中呢）；我們不要 yet another RH event，而是 an unique
Fedora
event！
了解帝都能辦 FUDCON 是充滿光榮感，可是自私的硬要勉強辦，只會蹧蹋每年一度的 FUDCon。
我們壓根心裏沒底。好好的用這一年多招大使、多辦活動、多提升技術水平、盡力建立與 RH 的橋樑，並一直持續下去，再來自信的爭辦好嗎？
PS：可惜，我並不保證明年，我還有沒有像發揮今年的作用。XD
K410
原文： Hi,
I had been reading this thread along, discussed with the China
community
on
mailing lists and during our weekly meetings. This is not surprised to
see
the APAC countries with the most population are making the bid. It is
no
doubt that which bid won to hold FUDCon, will benefit the community of
such
country and surround regions.
Personally, even I am a member of Chinese community, I am hereby
supporting
India for FUDCon 2011. China is just not ready for having a FUDCon
this
year. These are the my reasons:
- Lack of local ambassadors - According to
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification,
there are only 6 (10 if Hong Kong FAms are included). Compare to 39
in
India, it is approximately 5 times difference. This is just the
head
number
only, please see point 2.
- Lack of FUDCon (even FAD) experience - India has done FUDCon in
past
and several FAD are happening throughout the year. And China just
has
her
first FAD (at Guang Zhou) which went the reimbursement process with
FAmSCo.
As it can be shown from the quantity and quality of information in
wiki
pages of both bids, conservatively India has 2 times of preparation
served
for this event than China.
- Lack of supports from Red Hat - Red Hat China Office (Beijing)
had
not supported domestic Fedora activities for years. AFAIK, there
had
been no
financial/swag/people supports ever from Beijing office for
organizing
community activities. Fedora Chinese User Group (FZUG) contacted RH
China
requested collaboration to boost the growth of Fedora community but
cold or
nil response received. Some of the FZUG members / FAms instead
contacted
directly to Community Architecture Team in RH US headquarter or
Singapore
office for assistance. Now when Beijing office heard about the bid
of
FUDCon
2011 and becomes extremely excited to promote their "exposure" in
open
source community, eagerly offers hands. Remember, no FAD were
supported by
Beijing office ever except a couple of her staff attended a couple
of
meetups voluntary only in years.
帝都的 RH 真 TMD 恶心啊！
Above reasons justify the great risk that FUDCon will be very likely
failed
if it is held in China this year. In terms of the gap between India
and
China in width and depth, the difficulty to make successful FUDCon
2011
in
China is 10+ times higher than in India. Assume the point 1 and 2 can
be
coped at the end, I do doubt that RH China office can keep their
interest in
growth of community after the event. An one off fragile event with no
after
plan to sustain the heat, is a waste of annual FUDCon APAC chance. We
want a
FUDCon for Fedora event, not a RH event.
My suggestions is let India do FUDCon 2011, and China's focus on this
year:
- Recruits more ambassadors
- Raises technical levels of contributors/users/developers for
talks
- Organizes FADs with media, swags, reimbursement processes
- Build up the link between community and RH China (w/ US,
Singapore
offices are just not enough!), but this involve participation from
both
sides 5. Makes all above an iteration
Yes, China still need to compete among other bids in 2012, so it is necessary to act right now. Good luck to India and China, will be glad
to
the results and be proud of the transparency.
Regards, kaio
-- Regards ☺ Caius 'kaio' Chance - Fedora Project Contributor http:// goo.gl/9WWWC http://goo.gl/9WWWCIRC: kaio @ freenode | Twitter/Weibo: @K410 |
Blog:
kaio.net
Chinese mailing list Chinese at lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese
Chinese mailing list Chinese at lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese
其实我同意Kaio的。 从人气上我觉得就要输一大截。 Fedora的华人圈子似乎不够活跃。社区活跃度应该是支撑此类活动的基础。（之一） 接下来我觉得还是好好思考如何在华人圈子里面推广Fedora来的实际。
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 5:24 AM, Caius 'kaio' Chance kaio@fedoraproject.org wrote:
你求微菜寫一篇 “菜菜帝都考試記”。
K410
On 4 July 2011 01:27, Yoda Jahweh jhwhbd@gmail.com wrote:
求八卦！
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 12:18 PM, microcai <microcai@fedoraproject.org
wrote:
On 2011年07月03日 02:10, Caius 'kaio' Chance wrote:
On 3 July 2011 03:59, Caius 'kaio' Chance kaio@fedoraproject.org
wrote:
2011/7/1 Tommy He lovenemesis@fedoraproject.org
gbraad 给我发信后一直没回，因为最近几天一直在思考这个问题：
FUDCon 吸引朝内子民的原因的地方在哪里？
和来自全球各地的 Fedora 用户和开发人员交流什么？ 尤其是各位贡献者朋友们，应该问问自己这样的问题。
在 Bid 页面上，有 Mozilla China，有 China Mobile，就是缺乏 Fedora 中文区的东西。 最不想看到的结果是 FUDCon Beijing is Just Another FUDCon Asia。
希望大家可以一起想想那些展现 Fedora 中文的 Topic 以期做为会议期间的环节，具有吸引力的。 比如 microcai 的 Linux kernel UTF-8 ？
我作了一個深入的思考，結論還是不贊成北京舉辦今年的
FUDCon。我把它寫成英文回覆到大使列表了，以下為原文和中文提要；我覺得這不是要不要支持自己人的問題，而是我們今年勉強硬來辦的話失敗的風險實在太大了：
1. 工作人員不足：只有 6 位大使，加上香港 4 人才 10 人；印度 40 人的規模，5
倍人力。我們顧一個攤位的人力都可能剛剛好。
2. 缺乏活動經驗：梁牛最近的 FAD 才第一次使用了經費報銷程序，連 FAD 都是初辦怎樣應付幾百人的 FUDCON？印度 WIKI 頁演講主題和註冊參與者的內容，保守估計印度比中國準備是 2 倍以上吧。
3. RH CN 沒有支持：多年來都沒有支持社區，一聽到可能在北京辦就瘋了馬上來爭風說幫忙。
5 X 2，要在中國辦的難度有比在印度辦高於 10 倍。再者，要是在中國辧在缺乏本地貢獻者的前提下，只會淪為 “RH 北京主辦”（我真的相信會有這一行出現在某些宣傳材料中呢）；我們不要 yet another RH event，而是 an unique
Fedora
event！
了解帝都能辦 FUDCON 是充滿光榮感，可是自私的硬要勉強辦，只會蹧蹋每年一度的 FUDCon。
我們壓根心裏沒底。好好的用這一年多招大使、多辦活動、多提升技術水平、盡力建立與 RH 的橋樑，並一直持續下去，再來自信的爭辦好嗎？
PS：可惜，我並不保證明年，我還有沒有像發揮今年的作用。XD
K410
原文： Hi,
I had been reading this thread along, discussed with the China
community
on
mailing lists and during our weekly meetings. This is not surprised to
see
the APAC countries with the most population are making the bid. It is
no
doubt that which bid won to hold FUDCon, will benefit the community of
such
country and surround regions.
Personally, even I am a member of Chinese community, I am hereby
supporting
India for FUDCon 2011. China is just not ready for having a FUDCon
this
year. These are the my reasons:
1. Lack of local ambassadors - According to
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification,
there are only 6 (10 if Hong Kong FAms are included). Compare to 39
in
India, it is approximately 5 times difference. This is just the
head
number
only, please see point 2.
2. Lack of FUDCon (even FAD) experience - India has done FUDCon in
past
and several FAD are happening throughout the year. And China just
has
her
first FAD (at Guang Zhou) which went the reimbursement process with
FAmSCo.
As it can be shown from the quantity and quality of information in
wiki
pages of both bids, conservatively India has 2 times of preparation
served
for this event than China.
3. Lack of supports from Red Hat - Red Hat China Office (Beijing)
had
not supported domestic Fedora activities for years. AFAIK, there
had
been no
financial/swag/people supports ever from Beijing office for
organizing
community activities. Fedora Chinese User Group (FZUG) contacted RH
China
requested collaboration to boost the growth of Fedora community but
cold or
nil response received. Some of the FZUG members / FAms instead
contacted
directly to Community Architecture Team in RH US headquarter or
Singapore
office for assistance. Now when Beijing office heard about the bid
of
FUDCon
2011 and becomes extremely excited to promote their "exposure" in
open
source community, eagerly offers hands. Remember, no FAD were
supported by
Beijing office ever except a couple of her staff attended a couple
of
meetups voluntary only in years.
帝都的 RH 真 TMD 恶心啊！
Above reasons justify the great risk that FUDCon will be very likely
failed
if it is held in China this year. In terms of the gap between India
and
China in width and depth, the difficulty to make successful FUDCon
2011
in
China is 10+ times higher than in India. Assume the point 1 and 2 can
be
coped at the end, I do doubt that RH China office can keep their
interest in
growth of community after the event. An one off fragile event with no
after
plan to sustain the heat, is a waste of annual FUDCon APAC chance. We
want a
FUDCon for Fedora event, not a RH event.
My suggestions is let India do FUDCon 2011, and China's focus on this
year:
1. Recruits more ambassadors 2. Raises technical levels of contributors/users/developers for
talks
3. Organizes FADs with media, swags, reimbursement processes 4. Build up the link between community and RH China (w/ US,
Singapore
offices are just not enough!), but this involve participation from
both
sides 5. Makes all above an iteration
Yes, China still need to compete among other bids in 2012, so it is necessary to act right now. Good luck to India and China, will be glad
to
the results and be proud of the transparency.
Regards, kaio
-- Regards ☺ Caius 'kaio' Chance - Fedora Project Contributor http:// goo.gl/9WWWC http://goo.gl/9WWWCIRC: kaio @ freenode | Twitter/Weibo: @K410 |
Blog:
kaio.net
Chinese mailing list Chinese at lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese
Chinese mailing list Chinese at lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese
-- Regards ☺ Caius 'kaio' Chance - Fedora Project Contributor http:// goo.gl/9WWWC http://goo.gl/9WWWCIRC: kaio @ freenode | Twitter/Weibo: @K410 | Blog: kaio.net _______________________________________________ Chinese mailing list Chinese at lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chinese
If FUDCon won't happen this year in Beijing, let's have a #FAD instead. We are long way behind India on organizing community offline activity.
如果今年 FUDCon 不在北京，那么我们来个 FAD Fedora 活动日吧！相比印度，对于这方面社区活动组织的经验我们太缺乏了。
TBH, we should rise this topic earlier.
说句实话，如果我们能再早一些讨论这个话题就好了。
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Simon Yan simonyan@fedoraproject.org wrote:
其实我同意Kaio的。 从人气上我觉得就要输一大截。 Fedora的华人圈子似乎不够活跃。社区活跃度应该是支撑此类活动的基础。（之一） 接下来我觉得还是好好思考如何在华人圈子里面推广Fedora来的实际。
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 5:24 AM, Caius 'kaio' Chance kaio@fedoraproject.org wrote:
你求微菜寫一篇 “菜菜帝都考試記”。
K410
On 4 July 2011 01:27, Yoda Jahweh jhwhbd@gmail.com wrote:
求八卦！
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 12:18 PM, microcai <microcai@fedoraproject.org
wrote:
On 2011年07月03日 02:10, Caius 'kaio' Chance wrote:
On 3 July 2011 03:59, Caius 'kaio' Chance kaio@fedoraproject.org
wrote:
2011/7/1 Tommy He lovenemesis@fedoraproject.org
> gbraad 给我发信后一直没回，因为最近几天一直在思考这个问题： > > FUDCon 吸引朝内子民的原因的地方在哪里？ > > 和来自全球各地的 Fedora 用户和开发人员交流什么？ > 尤其是各位贡献者朋友们，应该问问自己这样的问题。 > > 在 Bid 页面上，有 Mozilla China，有 China Mobile，就是缺乏 Fedora 中文区的东西。 > 最不想看到的结果是 FUDCon Beijing is Just Another FUDCon Asia。 > > 希望大家可以一起想想那些展现 Fedora 中文的 Topic 以期做为会议期间的环节，具有吸引力的。 > 比如 microcai 的 Linux kernel UTF-8 ？ >
我作了一個深入的思考，結論還是不贊成北京舉辦今年的
FUDCon。我把它寫成英文回覆到大使列表了，以下為原文和中文提要；我覺得這不是要不要支持自己人的問題，而是我們今年勉強硬來辦的話失敗的風險實在太大了：
1. 工作人員不足：只有 6 位大使，加上香港 4 人才 10 人；印度 40 人的規模，5
倍人力。我們顧一個攤位的人力都可能剛剛好。
2. 缺乏活動經驗：梁牛最近的 FAD 才第一次使用了經費報銷程序，連 FAD 都是初辦怎樣應付幾百人的 FUDCON？印度 WIKI 頁演講主題和註冊參與者的內容，保守估計印度比中國準備是 2 倍以上吧。
3. RH CN 沒有支持：多年來都沒有支持社區，一聽到可能在北京辦就瘋了馬上來爭風說幫忙。
5 X 2，要在中國辦的難度有比在印度辦高於 10 倍。再者，要是在中國辧在缺乏本地貢獻者的前提下，只會淪為 “RH 北京主辦”（我真的相信會有這一行出現在某些宣傳材料中呢）；我們不要 yet another RH event，而是 an unique
Fedora
event！
了解帝都能辦 FUDCON 是充滿光榮感，可是自私的硬要勉強辦，只會蹧蹋每年一度的 FUDCon。
我們壓根心裏沒底。好好的用這一年多招大使、多辦活動、多提升技術水平、盡力建立與 RH 的橋樑，並一直持續下去，再來自信的爭辦好嗎？
PS：可惜，我並不保證明年，我還有沒有像發揮今年的作用。XD
K410
原文： Hi,
I had been reading this thread along, discussed with the China
community
on
mailing lists and during our weekly meetings. This is not surprised to
see
the APAC countries with the most population are making the bid. It is
no
doubt that which bid won to hold FUDCon, will benefit the community of
such
country and surround regions.
Personally, even I am a member of Chinese community, I am hereby
supporting
India for FUDCon 2011. China is just not ready for having a FUDCon
this
year. These are the my reasons:
1. Lack of local ambassadors - According to
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification,
there are only 6 (10 if Hong Kong FAms are included). Compare to 39
in
India, it is approximately 5 times difference. This is just the
head
number
only, please see point 2.
2. Lack of FUDCon (even FAD) experience - India has done FUDCon in
past
and several FAD are happening throughout the year. And China just
has
her
first FAD (at Guang Zhou) which went the reimbursement process with
FAmSCo.
As it can be shown from the quantity and quality of information in
wiki
pages of both bids, conservatively India has 2 times of preparation
served
for this event than China.
3. Lack of supports from Red Hat - Red Hat China Office (Beijing)
had
not supported domestic Fedora activities for years. AFAIK, there
had
been no
financial/swag/people supports ever from Beijing office for
organizing
community activities. Fedora Chinese User Group (FZUG) contacted RH
China
requested collaboration to boost the growth of Fedora community but
cold or
nil response received. Some of the FZUG members / FAms instead
contacted
directly to Community Architecture Team in RH US headquarter or
Singapore
office for assistance. Now when Beijing office heard about the bid
of
FUDCon
2011 and becomes extremely excited to promote their "exposure" in
open
source community, eagerly offers hands. Remember, no FAD were
supported by
Beijing office ever except a couple of her staff attended a couple
of
meetups voluntary only in years.
帝都的 RH 真 TMD 恶心啊！
Above reasons justify the great risk that FUDCon will be very likely
failed
if it is held in China this year. In terms of the gap between India
and
China in width and depth, the difficulty to make successful FUDCon
2011
in
China is 10+ times higher than in India. Assume the point 1 and 2 can
be
coped at the end, I do doubt that RH China office can keep their
interest in
growth of community after the event. An one off fragile event with no
after
plan to sustain the heat, is a waste of annual FUDCon APAC chance. We
want a
FUDCon for Fedora event, not a RH event.
My suggestions is let India do FUDCon 2011, and China's focus on this
year:
1. Recruits more ambassadors 2. Raises technical levels of contributors/users/developers for
talks
3. Organizes FADs with media, swags, reimbursement processes 4. Build up the link between community and RH China (w/ US,
Singapore
offices are just not enough!), but this involve participation from
both
sides 5. Makes all above an iteration
Yes, China still need to compete among other bids in 2012, so it is necessary to act right now. Good luck to India and China, will be glad
to
the results and be proud of the transparency.
Regards, kaio
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于 2011年07月04日 14:49, Tommy He 写道:
If FUDCon won't happen this year in Beijing, let's have a #FAD instead. We are long way behind India on organizing community offline activity.
如果今年 FUDCon 不在北京，那么我们来个 FAD Fedora 活动日吧！相比印度，对于这方面社区活动组织的经验我们太缺乏了。
TBH, we should rise this topic earlier.
说句实话，如果我们能再早一些讨论这个话题就好了。
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Simon Yan simonyan@fedoraproject.org wrote:
其实我同意Kaio的。 从人气上我觉得就要输一大截。 Fedora的华人圈子似乎不够活跃。社区活跃度应该是支撑此类活动的基础。（之一） 接下来我觉得还是好好思考如何在华人圈子里面推广Fedora来的实际。
赞同。需要通过社区线上线下活动，鼓励更多的用户成为贡献者，活跃 Fedora 的 中文社区。
距离上次北京的活动/聚会已经有半年了。期待新的活动，一定积极参与。
On 2011年07月04日 17:08, alick wrote:
于 2011年07月04日 14:49, Tommy He 写道:
If FUDCon won't happen this year in Beijing, let's have a #FAD instead. We are long way behind India on organizing community offline activity.
如果今年 FUDCon 不在北京，那么我们来个 FAD Fedora 活动日吧！相比印度，对于这方面社区活动组织的经验我们太缺乏了。
TBH, we should rise this topic earlier.
说句实话，如果我们能再早一些讨论这个话题就好了。
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Simon Yan simonyan@fedoraproject.org wrote:
其实我同意Kaio的。 从人气上我觉得就要输一大截。 Fedora的华人圈子似乎不够活跃。社区活跃度应该是支撑此类活动的基础。（之一） 接下来我觉得还是好好思考如何在华人圈子里面推广Fedora来的实际。
赞同。需要通过社区线上线下活动，鼓励更多的用户成为贡献者，活跃 Fedora 的 中文社区。
距离上次北京的活动/聚会已经有半年了。期待新的活动，一定积极参与。
北京人气不足啊~ 放到广州去怎么样？
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Yuan Yijun bbbush.yuan@gmail.com wrote:
I'm sorry if the Bid failed for us after so many efforts. However APAC Bid won't work if we don't speak English like an India AS WELL AS WE ATTEND THE MEETING AT REQUIRED TIME. Unfortunately I don't read the list, thus missed the meeting, so do you. 从会议记录上看，时间很短，说得也不多，究竟是什么影响了作出决定？在会议结束前似乎还没有决定，会议记录出来以后，又仿佛每个人都知道最终结果了。这个沟通效率是不是高得离谱了？
I understand what you mean, but I do believe having to speak English is key. A lot of members of the community also have difficulty to express themselves for lack of understanding computer terminology (e.g. regular users), but they are also just as much part of it. I believe having people around you can help a lot with the language problem. I am positive ;-). Let's see what the result will be. No matter what, we have a lot to work on... we will our FAD!
Gerard
2011/7/1 Gerard Braad gbraad@fedoraproject.org:
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Yuan Yijun bbbush.yuan@gmail.com wrote:
Bid won't work if we don't speak English like an India AS WELL AS WE
I understand what you mean, but I do believe having to speak English is key. A lot of members of the community also have difficulty to
correction/typo: I do NOT believe speaking English is key (necessary)
You can count on me as a volunteering translator. :)
Anyway, I will try to gather people to proposal topics.
2011/7/1 Gerard Braad gbraad@fedoraproject.org:
2011/7/1 Gerard Braad gbraad@fedoraproject.org:
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Yuan Yijun bbbush.yuan@gmail.com wrote:
Bid won't work if we don't speak English like an India AS WELL AS WE
I understand what you mean, but I do believe having to speak English is key. A lot of members of the community also have difficulty to
correction/typo: I do NOT believe speaking English is key (necessary)
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Hi All,
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Tommy He lovenemesis@fedoraproject.org wrote:
You can count on me as a volunteering translator. :) Anyway, I will try to gather people to proposal topics.
It would be nice to know if someone would like to talk about a subject on this possible FUDCon. they do not have to be from the Fedora community. This information is very helpful... since if we miss this bid, I will push for a FAD instead and target the FUDCon for next year's slot.
Besides, does anyone have contact with User Groups in China? e.g. for Gnome or ChinaUnix? Reach out and see how we can help each other.
Gerard
Hi Aron,
Mind to share something? :)
It would be a shame for Fedora not invite the GNOME peoples. Any DE group is welcome, too.
Tommy He
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Gerard Braad gbraad@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Hi All,
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Tommy He lovenemesis@fedoraproject.org wrote:
You can count on me as a volunteering translator. :) Anyway, I will try to gather people to proposal topics.
It would be nice to know if someone would like to talk about a subject on this possible FUDCon. they do not have to be from the Fedora community. This information is very helpful... since if we miss this bid, I will push for a FAD instead and target the FUDCon for next year's slot.
Besides, does anyone have contact with User Groups in China? e.g. for Gnome or ChinaUnix? Reach out and see how we can help each other.
Gerard
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