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F17 Beta Blocker Bug Review #2 Minutes
by Adam Williamson 12 Mar '12

12 Mar '12

============================================= #fedora-bugzappers: F17-beta-blocker-review-2 ============================================= Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-03-09/f17-beta-bloc… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-03-09/f17-beta-bloc… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-03-09/f17-beta-bloc… Meeting summary --------------- * roll call (adamw, 17:02:19) * Introduction (adamw, 17:07:47) * Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. (adamw, 17:07:57) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers (adamw, 17:08:04) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_17_Beta_Release_Criteria (adamw, 17:08:07) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting (adamw, 17:08:11) * 9 Proposed Blockers (adamw, 17:08:30) * 7 Accepted Blockers (adamw, 17:08:48) * http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=801782 (adamw, 17:09:48) * AGREED: 801782 is a blocker per beta criterion "The default update manager in release-blocking desktops must not periodically check for updates when the system is booted live, but must periodically check for updates when running on an installed system" (adamw, 17:14:28) * http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=787744 (adamw, 17:16:31) * AGREED: 787744 is rejected as a blocker: it doesn't really prevent direct kernel boot of the installer from working, you just need to specify some parameters for it. i.e. it's 'easily workaroundable'. accepted as NTH, if the fix is not too invasive. (adamw, 17:44:58) * http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=800316 (adamw, 17:45:29) * AGREED: 800316 is not a blocker as the impact is fairly small (it affects only the rarely used 'skip bootloader' option). we have other bugs for more serious problems with bootloader handling on upgrade (adamw, 17:54:07) * http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=797507 (adamw, 17:54:20) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=800205 (pschindl, 17:59:33) * AGREED: 797507 is a dupe of 785815, we also have 800205 for the preupgrade case (which could be fixed on preupgrade side if it is not fixed on anaconda side) (adamw, 18:13:59) * http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=736993 (adamw, 18:16:31) * AGREED: 736993 is a beta blocker: general consensus that serial console should be beta blocking, we will tidy up the criteria to reflect this (adamw, 18:25:02) * http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=748964 (adamw, 18:25:32) * AGREED: 748964 can now be considered a dupe of 736993 as that's been re-opened for F17 Beta. 736993 is accepted as a beta blocker as it breaks serial install. (adamw, 18:34:39) * http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=799174 (adamw, 18:35:32) * AGREED: 799174 is not a blocker: dependency issues in updates-testing are pretty common place and don't affect releases unless the problems get pushed to stable, which we would catch later (adamw, 18:38:19) * http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=800205 (adamw, 18:38:31) * AGREED: 800205 is a blocker per criterion "The installer must be able to successfully complete an upgrade installation from a clean, fully updated default installation (from any official install medium) of the previous stable Fedora release, either via preupgrade or by booting to the installer manually. The upgraded system must meet all release criteria" (adamw, 18:41:14) * http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=591630 (adamw, 18:41:25) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=591630#c19 (adamw, 18:42:47) * AGREED: 591630 is a blocker: the bug infringes criteria cited in the report in the specific case of 'IPv6-only network'. we are making the determination that this is a significant enough case at this point in time to make the bug a blocker. we will report this decision to devel list and FESCo for their review (adamw, 18:50:11) * http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=800376 (adamw, 18:51:24) * AGREED: 800376 is not a blocker: it's likely not the desired design, but in practice, upgrade *does* work with the default option. if anaconda team want to improve the design that's great, but it's not a blocker (adamw, 19:03:51) * http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=742207 (adamw, 19:04:49) * an updates.img is available for 742207, so it's on QA to check that out and give feedback to bcl (adamw, 19:05:30) * http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=753421 (adamw, 19:06:55) * 753421 has an updates.img available for testing, so again, needs us to test (adamw, 19:08:24) * http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=787461 (adamw, 19:09:18) * http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=787461 (adamw, 19:09:53) * AGREED: 787461 has morphed into a much less serious bug than initially reported, let's re-close it and ask hongqing to report his bug as a new one (adamw, 19:18:45) * http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=787893 (adamw, 19:19:01) * fix for 787893 is in Beta TC1 and needs testing - simple f16 to f17 upgrade test should be enough (adamw, 19:21:50) * http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=796155 (adamw, 19:22:02) * bcl says this bug should go away with the landing of noloader, which will happen Real Soon Now: ball is in anaconda team's court on this one (adamw, 19:25:05) * http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=798373 (adamw, 19:25:24) * 798373 fix is in and tested by kparal but needs to be pushed stable and added to beta tc2 compose (adamw, 19:26:16) * http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=754568 (adamw, 19:27:25) * ACTION: adamw to bug ajax about 754568 (adamw, 19:30:08) * 754568 no movement from developer (adamw, 19:31:17) * AGREED: meeting was unacceptably short. let's not make that mistake again. (adamw, 19:32:22) * open floor (adamw, 19:32:47) Meeting ended at 19:34:54 UTC. Action Items ------------ * adamw to bug ajax about 754568 People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * adamw (336) * kparal (160) * bcl (56) * fenrus02 (55) * maxamillion (47) * pschindl (35) * buggbot (20) * nirik (15) * brunowolff (14) * zodbot (4) -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net

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Summary & minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2012-03-12)
by Tomas Mraz 12 Mar '12

12 Mar '12

=================================== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2012-03-12) =================================== Meeting started by t8m at 18:02:05 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-12/fesco.2012-03-12… . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (t8m, 18:02:39) * #699 Proposal to remove the package "tzdata" from Critical Path (t8m, 18:05:03) * LINK: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/fesco/fesco.2011-11-21-18.00.log.htm… (nirik, 18:13:02) * Deferred to next meeting (t8m, 18:54:26) * #800 Feature Freeze exception: JBoss AS 7 (t8m, 18:54:29) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JBossAS7 has the packaging status (nirik, 18:56:52) * AGREED: The feature freeze exception for JBoss AS 7 is granted. (t8m, 18:57:42) * #820 Feature Freeze exception: Mingw-w64 cross-compiler (t8m, 18:58:13) * AGREED: The feature freeze exception for Mingw-w64 cross-compiler is granted (t8m, 19:00:47) * #707 Updates to language on FESCo Election page (t8m, 19:01:45) * AGREED: The updates to the FESCo Election page as described in the ticket are approved. (t8m, 19:04:14) * ACTION: t8m will update the page (t8m, 19:05:45) * #819 Please review our determination of IPv6 issue blocker status (t8m, 19:06:03) * AGREED: FESCo agrees with the IPv6 issue blocker status. (t8m, 19:07:54) * #808 Unretiring policy (or Fedora policies in general) needs a "common sense" clause (t8m, 19:08:21) * AGREED: Packages may be unretired without review up to 2 weeks after retirement providing that the package has ever previously been reviewed (t8m, 19:19:00) * ACTION: t8m will update the orphaning page and announce it on devel (t8m, 19:20:40) * Next week chair (t8m, 19:24:08) * ACTION: limburgher will be the next week chair (t8m, 19:27:23) * Open floor (t8m, 19:28:24) Meeting ended at 19:31:23 UTC. Action Items ------------ * t8m will update the page * t8m will update the orphaning page and announce it on devel * limburgher will be the next week chair Action Items, by person ----------------------- * limburgher * limburgher will be the next week chair * t8m * t8m will update the page * t8m will update the orphaning page and announce it on devel * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * t8m (101) * nirik (63) * mjg59 (55) * mitr (47) * notting (31) * pjones (29) * limburgher (29) * zodbot (10) * adamw (5) * dgilmore (1) * sgallagh (0) * mmaslano (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Docs meeting summary -- 12 March 2012
by Ben Cotton 12 Mar '12

12 Mar '12

Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (bcotton, 13:00:50) * Follow up on last week's action items (bcotton, 13:04:50) * ACTION: bcotton to check on guide owners for F17 (bcotton, 13:05:04) * ACTION: suehle to nicely poke lingering * beat owners (bcotton, 13:05:52) * Release Notes (bcotton, 13:06:11) * If your beat is done, don't forget to mark a 1 in the table (bcotton, 13:07:16) * ACTION: bcotton to send a note to Docs ML for beat-writing party (bcotton, 13:15:53) * AGREED: Beat Writing Party at 3pm EDT on Wednesday 14 March (bcotton, 13:16:10) * Guide Status (bcotton, 13:25:41) * LINK: http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-17/f-17-docs-tree-tasks.html (bcotton, 13:25:53) * Outstanding BZ Tickets (bcotton, 13:37:46) * LINK: http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84 (bcotton, 13:37:54) * Open Floor Discussion (bcotton, 13:39:13) * ACTION: pkovar to address meeting times on docs ml (bcotton, 13:47:33) Meeting ended at 13:49:08 UTC. Action Items ------------ * bcotton to check on guide owners for F17 * suehle to nicely poke lingering * beat owners * bcotton to send a note to Docs ML for beat-writing party * pkovar to address meeting times on docs ml Action Items, by person ----------------------- * bcotton * bcotton to check on guide owners for F17 * bcotton to send a note to Docs ML for beat-writing party * pkovar * pkovar to address meeting times on docs ml * **UNASSIGNED** * suehle to nicely poke lingering * beat owners People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * jjmcd (54) * bcotton (51) * pkovar (18) * claneys (18) * shaiton (8) * randomuser (3) * zodbot (3) * fnadge (1) * LoKoMurdoK (1) * sgordon (1) Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-12/fedora_docs.2012… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-12/fedora_docs.2012… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-12/fedora_docs.2012… -- Ben Cotton Fedora Docs Leader

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Cloud SIG Meeting Minutes :: 2012-03-09
by Robyn Bergeron 09 Mar '12

09 Mar '12

I BRING YOU MEATING MINUTES!! Just like this, because it's friday. .---. __ , / \ \ |||| \\\\ |O___O | | \\|||| \ // | \_/ | | \ / '--/----/| / | |-' // // / -----' // \\ / / // // / / // \\ / / // // / / /| ' / / //\___/ / // ||\ / \\_ || '---' /' / \\_.- / / --| | '-' | | '-' Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-09/cloud_sig.2012-0… Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-09/cloud_sig.2012-0… ========================== #fedora-meeting: Cloud SIG ========================== Meeting started by rbergeron at 19:00:44 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-09/cloud_sig.2012-0… . Meeting summary --------------- * Gathering of the minds and roll call (rbergeron, 19:00:59) * Eucalyptus (rbergeron, 19:04:05) * Euca is very close to having packages done/cleaned-up with only 5 or 6 pkgs left, but many more need reviews (rbergeron, 19:07:37) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Eucalyptus (rbergeron, 19:08:00) * Things needing review are listed on the Euca wiki page on fp.o and that page is up to date (rbergeron, 19:08:20) * ACTION: mull and mgoldmann to swap reviews because they both need them :) (rbergeron, 19:08:38) * AS7 progress (rbergeron, 19:08:58) * AS7 has 84 pkgs in total; 59 in rawhide/f17, 24 in progress (rbergeron, 19:11:27) * cleared licensing issues blocking about 10 pkgs, including JTA (rbergeron, 19:11:39) * will likely end up with about 100pkgs (rbergeron, 19:11:52) * mgoldmann was able to deploy his first web app on Fedora / JBoss AS7 :) (rbergeron, 19:12:57) * also planning with carlo to run TCK test on the resulting RPM, so that what is shipped is "certified" - ie: it is what it really should be :) (rbergeron, 19:15:15) * OpenStack (rbergeron, 19:15:31) * OpenStack test day is "over" but instructions are still a nice way to get started with openstack (rbergeron, 19:18:33) * LINK: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-test-day/2012-03-08/openstack_test_… (rbergeron, 19:18:57) * Essex release is coming along, RC1 should be out soon (rbergeron, 19:19:23) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2012-03-08_OpenStack_Test_Day (rbergeron, 19:20:48) * AWS/S3 (rbergeron, 19:23:16) * won't be going live with mirror until at least 3/19 due to migrations, OoO stuff (rbergeron, 19:26:16) * s3sync code seems to work well eough; md5 checking code is heavyweight on the FI storage backend, but necessary because repodata/* files change content but not names frequently. better solution welcome. (rbergeron, 19:26:44) * robyn having keyboard sadness today (rbergeron, 19:26:54) * OpenNebula (rbergeron, 19:27:42) * THEY HAZ A PACKAGE! (rbergeron, 19:27:57) * currently in mock build testing right now; selinux looking okay, not running into issues; spstarr to work on cleaning it up more this weekend (rbergeron, 19:28:47) * spstarr working closely with upstream (rbergeron, 19:32:42) * Open Floor (rbergeron, 19:33:36) * EC2 images for F17 won't work until https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=801650 is fixed (fix is upstream, shouldn't take long to get to Fedora) (rbergeron, 19:41:56) * ACTION: jforbes to send a quick note re: bz 801650 to the cloud-sig list (rbergeron, 19:43:12) Meeting ended at 19:45:29 UTC. Action Items ------------ * mull and mgoldmann to swap reviews because they both need them :) * jforbes to send a quick note re: bz 801650 to the cloud-sig list Action Items, by person ----------------------- * jforbes * jforbes to send a quick note re: bz 801650 to the cloud-sig list * mgoldmann * mull and mgoldmann to swap reviews because they both need them :) * mull * mull and mgoldmann to swap reviews because they both need them :) * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * rbergeron (140) * mgoldmann (32) * spstarr_work (26) * russellb (15) * mull (12) * jforbes (11) * mdomsch (9) * nirik (3) * zodbot (3) * kkeithley (3) * tdawson_ (2) * pingou (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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FUDCon KL Meeting Minutes :: 2012-03-08
by Robyn Bergeron 08 Mar '12

08 Mar '12

Thanks for attending the first FUDCon planning meeting for Kuala Lumpur today. I'll be announcing hte opening of subsidy requests very very soon. :) -Robyn Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fudcon-planning/2012-03-08/fudcon_kl_plann… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fudcon-planning/2012-03-08/fudcon_kl_plann… ==================================== #fudcon-planning: FUDCon_KL_planning ==================================== Meeting started by rbergeron at 13:59:25 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fudcon-planning/2012-03-08/fudcon_kl_plann… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (rbergeron, 13:59:57) * anyone who does not yet have a Fedora account, please get one. (rbergeron, 14:01:30) * LINK: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ (rbergeron, 14:01:37) * tickets can't be assigned without an account name :) (rbergeron, 14:02:04) * Agenda (rbergeron, 14:02:42) * Welcome, Immediate items to verify, Budget planning, Opening of subsidies and figuring out the closing date for subsidies (rbergeron, 14:03:18) * Welcome to the first KL meeting (rbergeron, 14:04:28) * We will be meeting in the same time/same channel every week between now and FUDCon. (rbergeron, 14:06:14) * FUDCon KL is set for May 18-20 (rbergeron, 14:06:28) * Immediate tasks (rbergeron, 14:07:20) * ACTION: rbergeron to take tasks from this meeting and turn them into tickets (rbergeron, 14:07:34) * rbergeron has already added Kuala Lumpur to the list of events in trac at https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ (rbergeron, 14:08:00) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:KualaLumpur_2012 is up (KageSenshi, 14:08:44) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:KualaLumpur_2012 (KageSenshi, 14:09:02) * conference room space/venue has been confirmed (rbergeron, 14:11:00) * ACTION: rebelk0de to provide KageSenshi with Classroom names and capacities for each day, and kagesenshi or jipang_menjerit to add to wiki (rbergeron, 14:13:55) * ACTION: rebelk0de to send the information to the fudcon-planning mailing list about room capacities, names, etc. (rbergeron, 14:14:53) * ACTION: mavjs to call and check options on discounts for group bookings (rbergeron, 14:22:37) * Budget Planning (rbergeron, 14:26:35) * We have at least $15k USD for budget; possibly more (I am confirming before I say anything more) (rbergeron, 14:27:08) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:KualaLumpur_2012/Budget#Current_Estim… (KageSenshi, 14:27:15) * Subsidies to close on 20th at 23:59:59 UTC (rbergeron, 14:42:02) * March 20th to be clear (rbergeron, 14:42:07) * ACTION: rbergeron to include that information in the blog post for subsidies (after she gets everything in trac properly) (rbergeron, 14:42:26) * Open Floor (rbergeron, 14:43:44) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:KualaLumpur_2012/Organization (KageSenshi, 14:44:01) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines (rbergeron, 14:50:09) Meeting ended at 15:08:16 UTC. Action Items ------------ * rbergeron to take tasks from this meeting and turn them into tickets * rebelk0de to provide KageSenshi with Classroom names and capacities for each day, and kagesenshi or jipang_menjerit to add to wiki * rebelk0de to send the information to the fudcon-planning mailing list about room capacities, names, etc. * mavjs to call and check options on discounts for group bookings * rbergeron to include that information in the blog post for subsidies (after she gets everything in trac properly) Action Items, by person ----------------------- * jipang_menjerit * rebelk0de to provide KageSenshi with Classroom names and capacities for each day, and kagesenshi or jipang_menjerit to add to wiki * KageSenshi * rebelk0de to provide KageSenshi with Classroom names and capacities for each day, and kagesenshi or jipang_menjerit to add to wiki * rbergeron * rbergeron to take tasks from this meeting and turn them into tickets * rbergeron to include that information in the blog post for subsidies (after she gets everything in trac properly) * rebelk0de * rebelk0de to provide KageSenshi with Classroom names and capacities for each day, and kagesenshi or jipang_menjerit to add to wiki * rebelk0de to send the information to the fudcon-planning mailing list about room capacities, names, etc. * **UNASSIGNED** * mavjs to call and check options on discounts for group bookings People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * rbergeron (137) * KageSenshi (99) * rebelk0de (27) * bckurera (25) * jipang_menjerit (18) * zodbot (17) * MavJS (14) * meng (12) * choirboy (12) * sweemeng (9) * gunesh (7) * kaio (7) * lufkin (7) * tuanta (6) * siDz (4) * FranciscoD (3) * kulll (2) * ALmol (1) * jsmith (1) * TYSSeries (1) * motionman (1) * Ck007 (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2012-03-08)
by Kevin Fenzi 08 Mar '12

08 Mar '12

============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2012-03-08) ============================================ Meeting started by nirik at 20:00:00 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-08/infrastructure.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Robot Roll Call (nirik, 20:00:01) * New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. (nirik, 20:02:14) * new folks, hang out in #fedora-admin and say hi to get started. (nirik, 20:03:54) * two factor auth status (nirik, 20:03:58) * ACTION: nirik to look around for C coders to work on pam_url for us. (nirik, 20:07:39) * Staging re-work status (nirik, 20:09:51) * Applications status / discussion (nirik, 20:10:27) * we should really try and fix logging of applications so we can send them easily to a log host. (nirik, 20:20:33) * Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 20:23:41) * 2012-03-07 to 2012-03-14 - Pycon (nirik, 20:23:46) * 2012-03-10 - drop inactive fi-apprentices (nirik, 20:23:47) * 2012-03-20 to 2012-04-03 - F17 Beta Freeze (nirik, 20:23:47) * 2012-03-27 - drop inactive maintainers from packages. (nirik, 20:23:47) * 2012-04-01 - nag fi-apprentices. (nirik, 20:23:47) * 2012-04-03 - F17Beta release day (nirik, 20:23:47) * 2011-04-03 - gitweb-cache removal day. (nirik, 20:23:49) * 2012-04-10 - drop inactive fi-apprentices (nirik, 20:23:51) * 2012-04-24 to 2012-05-08 - F17 Final Freeze. (nirik, 20:23:53) * 2012-05-01 - nag fi-apprentices. (nirik, 20:23:55) * 2012-05-08 - F17 release (nirik, 20:23:57) * ACTION: nirik to look into possibly doing a bapp02 (rhel6) for migration. (nirik, 20:33:15) * will revisit next week on more migrations of builders to vm's (nirik, 20:41:32) * Ssh keypair changes still needed. (nirik, 20:41:36) * ACTION: skvidal to bug people in this state. Any we can't reach will get another email, then be admin_locked. (nirik, 20:48:14) * Tickets from Ages past (nirik, 20:48:44) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/report/1?sort=created&asc=1 (nirik, 20:50:16) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/506 <- just close this (skvidal, 20:53:06) * Open Floor (nirik, 20:59:50) * skvidal to post to list and gather info on what we actually use in a Config mgmt system. (nirik, 21:16:11) * mdomsch will be uploading a infra version of s3cmd until patches are upstreamed. (nirik, 21:18:31) * will be deploying mirror sync on bapp01 once it's re-installed. (nirik, 21:18:44) Meeting ended at 21:20:14 UTC. Action Items ------------ * nirik to look around for C coders to work on pam_url for us. * nirik to look into possibly doing a bapp02 (rhel6) for migration. * skvidal to bug people in this state. Any we can't reach will get another email, then be admin_locked. Action Items, by person ----------------------- * nirik * nirik to look around for C coders to work on pam_url for us. * nirik to look into possibly doing a bapp02 (rhel6) for migration. * skvidal * skvidal to bug people in this state. Any we can't reach will get another email, then be admin_locked. * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (179) * skvidal (170) * smooge (21) * mdomsch (20) * abadger1999 (18) * pingou (15) * CodeBlock (14) * zodbot (6) * dgilmore (6) * adrianhannah (3) * rbergeron (2) * wsterling (1) * lmacken (0) * ricky (0) * Codeblock (0) -- 20:00:00 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2012-03-08) 20:00:00 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Mar 8 20:00:00 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00:00 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 20:00:01 <nirik> #topic Robot Roll Call 20:00:01 <nirik> #chair smooge skvidal Codeblock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch 20:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 20:00:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: Codeblock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky skvidal smooge 20:00:28 * CodeBlock is here 20:00:32 * skvidal is here 20:00:45 * pingou is here 20:00:46 <smooge> is here 20:00:53 <nirik> who all is around for a lovely, exciting, thrilling, action packed, adventure infrastructure meeting? 20:01:09 <CodeBlock> Rainy, tired-ey, last-day-of-school-before-spring-break kind of day. 20:01:46 <pingou> the last one sounds cool :) 20:02:10 <CodeBlock> :) 20:02:11 <nirik> :) ok, lets go ahead and get started then... 20:02:14 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. 20:02:20 <nirik> If any new folks want to give a quick one line bio or any apprentices 20:02:20 <nirik> would like to ask general questions, they can do so here. 20:03:01 <nirik> anyone? ;) 20:03:14 <nirik> we did have a number of new folks on the list... but the meeting time may not be great for them. 20:03:24 * wsterling here 20:03:54 <nirik> #info new folks, hang out in #fedora-admin and say hi to get started. 20:03:58 <nirik> #topic two factor auth status 20:04:05 <nirik> skvidal: any news on this in the last bit? 20:04:19 <skvidal> yah 20:04:28 <skvidal> so the cgi is posted at github 20:04:36 <skvidal> and I've sent pam_url off to some folks to audit 20:04:42 <skvidal> ricky got back to me and was not happy about pam_url 20:04:48 <skvidal> for a couple of good reasons 20:04:55 <skvidal> one of which looks pretty easy to fix 20:05:00 <skvidal> the others are going to be annoying 20:05:06 <nirik> bummer. ;( 20:05:15 <skvidal> so I'm waiting to hear back from bressers 20:05:16 <nirik> would one of the other implementations be better to go with then? 20:05:25 <skvidal> they are all going to require some hacking now 20:05:40 <nirik> yeah, I wonder if we couldn't ask someone who does security code to pick one and hack on it for us. ;) 20:05:41 <dgilmore> buenos 20:05:42 <skvidal> to get them to work like we want 20:05:51 <skvidal> nirik: I doubt it... 20:06:14 <nirik> possibly not, but we could ask around if we need to. 20:06:20 <skvidal> nirik: but I would love it. C is not my native language (so to speak) and it would be easier to fix pam_url if I was more capable at C 20:06:25 <skvidal> nirik: got any ideas? 20:06:28 <skvidal> on whom to ask? 20:06:40 <smooge> what was that think about pam_python someone mentioned earlier... 20:06:44 <nirik> not sure, I could ask bressers who to ask. ;) 20:07:01 <nirik> but let me ask around, see if I can find anyone. 20:07:02 <skvidal> smooge: 1. it's not in any distribution of anything we have 20:07:16 <smooge> oh got it 20:07:16 <skvidal> 2. pam_python makes a big point on its site of saying how much slower it is to exec python 20:07:29 <skvidal> smooge: believe me, I looked 20:07:36 <smooge> pam_pypy? 20:07:39 <nirik> #action nirik to look around for C coders to work on pam_url for us. 20:07:53 <smooge> I think that would have made a great GSOC 20:07:58 <nirik> so, once we have pam_url working we can setup a test instance and then hopefully deploy? 20:08:01 <skvidal> smooge: umm I doubt it 20:08:13 <skvidal> nirik: I think so - we can definitely get it running and tested 20:08:17 <smooge> if we had people who understand C etc etc. 20:08:45 <skvidal> nirik: I'm even happy with someone who commonly codes in C who can answer some questions for me 20:08:47 <skvidal> w/o mocking me for it 20:08:55 * skvidal is not joking about that last part 20:09:20 <nirik> ok, I'll see what/who I can find. 20:09:25 <nirik> anything else on this? 20:09:47 <skvidal> nothing so far 20:09:51 <nirik> #topic Staging re-work status 20:10:05 <nirik> ok, I meant to work on this some this week... but kept getting sidetracked. ;) 20:10:15 <nirik> I'll try again soon... 20:10:27 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 20:10:43 <nirik> abadger1999 and threebean and lmacken are all out at fudcon... 20:10:44 <skvidal> I think everyone working on apps is at pycon 20:10:47 <skvidal> pycon 20:10:50 <skvidal> not fudcon 20:10:54 <nirik> yeah, sorry, pycon. 20:11:05 <nirik> anyhow, anyone else have any news on any apps? 20:11:10 * pingou updates fedora-gather-easyfix's spec file 20:11:14 <nirik> CodeBlock: how's the search crawler going? 20:11:16 * abadger1999 wishes those were synonymous... 200+ people at fudcon would be awesome 20:11:21 <abadger1999> 2000+ 20:11:48 <CodeBlock> well I made some tweaks to the crawler config... some helped, some didn't... still need to tweak more...also need to try to make the web UI faster 20:11:55 <nirik> pingou: is the thought to deploy that to bapp01 and rsync to proxies like we do for websites? or run it on apps? or ? 20:11:55 <CodeBlock> it gets slow with a lot of results sometimes 20:12:28 <nirik> CodeBlock: daMaestro said he could help out, he's run dpsearch before, so ping him if you like. 20:12:41 <CodeBlock> oh cool, will do 20:12:45 <pingou> nirik: the version packaged at the moment is a simple html, rsync is easy, but with the integration with the bz, there is css and js file in addition 20:13:02 <pingou> (but it would still run as a cron) 20:13:28 <pingou> we should see what's the best way 20:13:43 <nirik> ok. 20:14:04 <nirik> any other applications news? 20:14:05 <abadger1999> pingou: would you like to ask for package review on the packages you have that need to get into epel for us to deploy? (me is busy at pycon) could be an easyfix if people are already packagers 20:14:16 <nirik> oh, I have one note: 20:14:25 <pingou> abadger1999: done and done :) 20:14:33 <abadger1999> Cool. 20:14:39 <nirik> we now have a way to send httpd error_logs to log02... which could help us when looking for application problems. 20:14:49 <pingou> abadger1999: I meant the two reviews , fedora-gather-easyfix and python-tgcaptcha2 20:14:53 <nirik> however. Some apps are so noisy that it's useless. we need to fix that first 20:15:47 <skvidal> nirik: you're talking about the noise from fas that looked like info-logs? 20:15:58 <nirik> I tried looking at how fas logs for example, but got confused. ;) So, we may want to look at having a VFAD on application logging someday... 20:16:03 <nirik> yes. 20:16:03 <skvidal> ah, yues 20:16:03 <skvidal> :) 20:16:05 <skvidal> sorry 20:16:34 <nirik> if we can get apps to log just tracebacks to error_log (or actual, you know, errors), we can send them to log02 and it will be much easier to see whats happening. 20:16:55 <smooge> skvidal, I can ask around with my former group.. they did various pam stuff for Science! 20:17:00 <skvidal> nirik: I have a dumb question on some of the error logs 20:17:04 <skvidal> I can fix this 20:17:05 <skvidal> File does not exist: /srv/web/favicon.ico 20:17:08 <skvidal> obviously 20:17:21 <skvidal> does anyone care if I do? 20:17:29 <abadger1999> +1 20:17:36 <nirik> yes, please fix. 20:17:42 <skvidal> ok 20:17:44 <nirik> thats one thing I think logs are good helping us do. 20:18:07 <abadger1999> nirik: Fixing logging (to the point you're talking) may be impossible.... I know we've tried for years. 20:18:16 <abadger1999> nirik: But we might be able to cut it down some. 20:18:18 <nirik> abadger1999: ;( thats sad. 20:18:19 <skvidal> done 20:18:32 <smooge> well should we just put one in there? 20:18:34 <skvidal> abadger1999: what is going on where it is outputting so much to the logs? 20:18:35 <abadger1999> I know skvidal was successful on cutting some down for other apps 20:18:46 <skvidal> abadger1999: that's b/c I cut them down with a butcher knife :) 20:18:49 <nirik> if we can't fix it at that level, we may be able to filter them in rsyslog I guess, but man that seems a kludge. ;) 20:18:59 <skvidal> it's not as graceful as a solution as I'd expect you to come up with ;) 20:19:18 <skvidal> abadger1999: what's creating the logs? 20:19:34 <abadger1999> We don't know what's going on -- something about logging is mising tracebacks when we mess with logging in certain ways. 20:19:38 <abadger1999> skvidal: pyhton's logging module 20:19:57 <nirik> it's not just fas right? other things have the same issue? 20:19:59 <skvidal> oh dear god 20:20:05 * skvidal goes to hide his head 20:20:05 <abadger1999> I'm happy for you to cut through the logs with a butcher knife. 20:20:18 <skvidal> logging makes me want to cry and hurt myself. 20:20:22 <abadger1999> yeah. 20:20:33 <nirik> #info we should really try and fix logging of applications so we can send them easily to a log host. 20:20:44 <abadger1999> I was hoping that python-3 was going to get a different logging module but that's another story. 20:21:04 <nirik> yeah, I doubt it would be at all easy, but perhaps if we got everyone together and hacked on it we could figure something out. 20:21:31 <nirik> anyhow, just wanted to mention it. 20:21:39 <nirik> any other application news? 20:21:57 <CodeBlock> do app *servers* count? 20:22:01 <CodeBlock> Most are built as el6 now 20:22:11 <abadger1999> not this week. Hopefully we'll have some tangential news next week. 20:22:14 <nirik> sure! thanks very much for working on that CodeBlock. 20:22:19 <CodeBlock> np 20:22:25 <skvidal> abadger1999: is there any way to cut down the volume? 20:22:29 <skvidal> abadger1999: or do we lose everything? 20:22:42 <skvidal> you know what... nevermind 20:22:48 <skvidal> I think nirik is right 20:22:48 <nirik> we have just 3 rhel5 boxes left I think now... app07 (which is only serving old community), bapp01 and xen04 (the xen host bapp01 is on) 20:22:50 <skvidal> for post pycon 20:22:55 <skvidal> let's etup a VFAD 20:23:02 <skvidal> so we can spend a day or two just unfucking this 20:23:03 <abadger1999> skvidal: we can cut down the volume... but we tend to lose some tracebacks -- and we aren't sure how to configure logging so that doesn't happen. 20:23:07 <skvidal> either via rsyslog fitlers 20:23:15 <abadger1999> <nod> 20:23:15 <skvidal> or by fixing the app 20:23:20 <skvidal> whatever is more possible 20:23:24 <abadger1999> Cool. 20:23:29 * abadger1999 heads out of room to lunch 20:23:35 <nirik> have fun abadger1999 20:23:41 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 20:23:46 <nirik> #info 2012-03-07 to 2012-03-14 - Pycon 20:23:47 <nirik> #info 2012-03-10 - drop inactive fi-apprentices 20:23:47 <nirik> #info 2012-03-20 to 2012-04-03 - F17 Beta Freeze 20:23:47 <nirik> #info 2012-03-27 - drop inactive maintainers from packages. 20:23:47 <nirik> #info 2012-04-01 - nag fi-apprentices. 20:23:47 <nirik> #info 2012-04-03 - F17Beta release day 20:23:49 <nirik> #info 2011-04-03 - gitweb-cache removal day. 20:23:51 <nirik> #info 2012-04-10 - drop inactive fi-apprentices 20:23:53 <nirik> #info 2012-04-24 to 2012-05-08 - F17 Final Freeze. 20:23:55 <nirik> #info 2012-05-01 - nag fi-apprentices. 20:23:57 <nirik> #info 2012-05-08 - F17 release 20:23:59 <nirik> That's what I have upcoming until f17 release day. ;) 20:24:14 <nirik> I'd like to get bapp01 replaced before beta freeze if we can. 20:24:29 <nirik> anyone have any other items they want to schedule or note? 20:24:58 <smooge> mailman password cleanup 20:24:58 * nirik listens to the crickets. 20:25:11 <nirik> smooge: ah yeah, are you gonna get that finished today? tomorrow? 20:25:27 <smooge> tomorrow. 20:25:33 <smooge> it should be a short set of things: 20:25:44 <skvidal> smooge: if oyu need help with spamming users yell at me 20:25:47 <smooge> 1) Email a list of people using seths spam-o-matic script 20:25:50 <skvidal> I have that spammer script which makes hatemail easy 20:25:52 <skvidal> oh okay :) 20:25:54 <skvidal> you know :) 20:26:09 <smooge> 2) Force mailman to do my will. 20:26:52 <nirik> cool. Sounds good. 20:27:13 <nirik> ok, anything else for upcoming? 20:27:22 <smooge> not from me. 20:27:44 <nirik> ok, on to this fun topic: 20:27:48 <nirik> #topic Ssh keypair changes still needed. 20:27:49 <CodeBlock> nirik: what special magic needs to happen to rebuild bapp? 20:27:54 <CodeBlock> bah 20:27:55 <nirik> #undo 20:27:55 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Topic object at 0x1f057550> 20:28:10 <nirik> CodeBlock: well, bapp01 has a bunch of one-off scripts that only run there. 20:28:27 <nirik> so, we could do a migration instead of a replacement, but I think we can probibly replace it ok. 20:28:47 <nirik> I'd like to wait until toshio is back from pycon to help putting out fires on it. 20:28:59 <nirik> then we just need to schedule a day and replace it and fix anything broken 20:29:07 <CodeBlock> sounds good 20:29:10 * mdomsch votes for "not next week" 20:29:45 <nirik> mdomsch: ok, when are you gonna be around? would be good to have you around too in case. ;) 20:29:53 <nirik> the beta freeze is the 20th. ;( 20:30:27 <nirik> I guess we could do the 19th... 20:30:37 <nirik> and back it out if it became a pain 20:30:54 <smooge> could we do a bapp02 built with el6 and see about putting it in replacement? 20:31:05 <mdomsch> nirik: I'm offline tomorrow 3pm, back Mon 3/19 20:31:34 <nirik> smooge: well we could, but it's going to be a lot more work... having to change what things point to and sync and such. I guess it might be worth it. 20:31:41 <dgilmore> not that it matters im taking tomorrow off 20:31:53 <mdomsch> nothing of MM points at bapp01 20:32:03 <nirik> mdomsch: ok 20:32:08 <nirik> dgilmore: cool. :) 20:32:21 <mdomsch> bapp01 is the source, it pushes to app* from there 20:32:27 <smooge> well I would say it would be a good way to see "what files are on bappX and what ones showed up on bappY and why are they different." 20:32:27 <skvidal> dgilmore: enjoy 20:32:38 <mdomsch> so MM would be fine with a bapp02, get it working, then flip over 20:32:43 <nirik> mdomsch: cool. 20:32:46 <skvidal> dgilmore: before you go - I was meaning to ask - do you have any thoughts on the buildvm boxes? 20:32:55 <skvidal> dgilmore: are they good enough for us to press forward with more of them? 20:33:09 <nirik> ok, I can look again at how much tweaking a bapp02 would be. 20:33:15 <nirik> #action nirik to look into possibly doing a bapp02 (rhel6) for migration. 20:33:27 <CodeBlock> nirik: more than happy to help with that too 20:34:00 <nirik> one other issue is that we would need to make sure to shut off things on bapp01 as we move them... 2 mirrormanagers both pushing to apps might be very bad. 20:34:22 <mdomsch> nirik: right 20:34:36 <dgilmore> skvidal: quick glance they seem ok. but i want to lookat setting up a heavybuilder channel first, and see how that plays into things, especially with the kernel teasm request yesterday 20:34:57 <skvidal> dgilmore: what do they want? 20:35:41 <dgilmore> skvidal: they are signing all modules at build time. need to look at running rngd or see how else we can make sure there is plenty of entropy for them to use 20:36:05 <dgilmore> skvidal: part of that is making a new gpg key at build time 20:36:17 <nirik> rngd is very easy to add. ;) I wrote up the puppet stuff for it, just didn't commit it. 20:37:15 <nirik> ok, we can continue investigating the bapp01 thing... 20:37:40 <nirik> skvidal: what was the next steps on those? we may want to hold off until we know about what hardware we have in the bladecenter. 20:37:58 <skvidal> not really 20:38:12 <skvidal> the x86-## <higher numbers> are not going anywhere 20:38:17 <skvidal> so what I wanted to do was 20:38:18 <nirik> true enough 20:38:25 <skvidal> lemme find the plan 20:38:26 <skvidal> one sec 20:39:21 <skvidal> take 2 more of the blades 20:39:26 <skvidal> turn them into 4 builders per blade 20:39:37 <nirik> ok, the bc02 ones? 20:39:40 <skvidal> yes 20:39:42 <skvidal> on bc02 20:39:47 <skvidal> and then 2 more blades 20:39:50 <skvidal> 1 of them one big VM 20:39:53 <skvidal> and the other 2 VM 20:40:00 <nirik> cool. well, whenever dgilmore is ok with you moving ahead... 20:40:12 <skvidal> ideally 20:40:19 <nirik> I've seen no issues with the current buildvms... 20:40:21 <skvidal> if we can move from the builders we have now over to VMs 20:40:31 <skvidal> then we can dismantle the x86## builders 20:40:46 <skvidal> and grow from there... depending on what we want to do. 20:40:53 <nirik> yep. 20:41:03 <nirik> lets revisit next week then? dgilmore ? 20:41:09 <skvidal> sounds round 20:41:32 <nirik> #info will revisit next week on more migrations of builders to vm's 20:41:36 <nirik> #topic Ssh keypair changes still needed. 20:41:41 <nirik> so, some background: 20:42:01 <nirik> we asked in october of last year for everyone to change their password and generate a new ssh keypair. 20:42:15 <nirik> we marked inactive those people who didn't do that in january. 20:42:30 <nirik> then we checked and a number of them had re-uploaded the same ssh key. 20:42:40 <nirik> so, we marked them inactive again and asked them to please change. 20:43:14 <nirik> as of sunday we had several who reactivated their account and didn't still change their key. 20:43:25 <nirik> I don't want to keep playing wack-a-mole here. 20:43:52 <nirik> I'd like to propose we mark these people admin_locked and ask them to come to us to unlock their account... 20:43:53 <dgilmore> nirik: sure 20:44:11 <nirik> can anyone think of a better way to deal with them? or counterproposals? 20:44:34 <skvidal> nirik: +1 lock them 20:44:47 <CodeBlock> ^ 20:44:56 <skvidal> nirik: so dumb question 20:44:56 <adrianhannah> Agreed 20:44:58 <skvidal> who is it left? 20:45:17 <nirik> there were 9 as of sunday. 20:45:23 <skvidal> nirik: might be worth getting their contact info out of fas and chasing them down on the phone, if possible 20:45:33 <nirik> people who re-activated since the last time we inactvated them, but didn't bother to change their key 20:46:20 <smooge> well lets just clear their key 20:46:23 <nirik> I suppose, but I'm not sure I want to have a long phone conversation about 'you must do this'... but... 20:46:39 <nirik> smooge: then they just re-upload it again. ;( 20:46:40 <skvidal> nirik: I enjoy being intimidating to folks on the phone :) 20:46:42 <skvidal> nirik: kidding 20:46:47 <smooge> ok we put in my key 20:46:52 <nirik> skvidal: if you want to do it, thats just fine with me. ;) 20:47:02 <skvidal> nirik: gimme the list 20:47:02 <pingou> we should look for time-zone, making sure there is someone they can talk to if they choose irc 20:47:22 <nirik> skvidal: should be in email to sysadmin-main from sunday. 20:47:44 <nirik> or we can run it again... it's in cron on lockbox01 20:47:48 <skvidal> nod 20:47:51 <skvidal> I'll just run it 20:47:55 <nirik> cool. 20:48:14 <nirik> #action skvidal to bug people in this state. Any we can't reach will get another email, then be admin_locked. 20:48:28 <nirik> ok, anything else on this? 20:48:44 <nirik> #topic Tickets from Ages past 20:49:03 <nirik> ok, I thought I would have some fun and try and clean up old tickets... 20:49:21 <nirik> and just drop 1 or 2 a meeting so we can see if we can close them or do something with them 20:49:39 <skvidal> 'fun' 20:49:40 <nirik> we currently have 171 tickets, some of which are...very old. 20:49:49 <skvidal> got a link? 20:50:16 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/report/1?sort=created&asc=1 20:50:28 <nirik> this is the list sorted in created order. 20:50:38 <nirik> so, oldest ticket is: 20:50:44 <nirik> .ticket 116 20:50:46 <zodbot> nirik: #116 (Fedora Poll) – Fedora Infrastructure - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/116 20:51:10 <nirik> This was orig going to be a stand along poll for the front page, then a wordpress plugin, then... I don't know what. 20:51:49 <adrianhannah> There are several wp poll plugins 20:51:52 <nirik> we have a similar ticket for a survey app (althought thats slightly different) 20:52:00 <mdomsch> my ancient ones get a little better with the next MM push, if/when i ever get around to it 20:52:06 <nirik> adrianhannah: yeah. Sadly, we are no longer running wordpress. ;) 20:52:26 <mdomsch> mirror push waits on the FI message bus 20:52:28 <adrianhannah> Aha, that makes sense :p 20:52:35 <skvidal> hmm 20:52:39 <nirik> so, do we still want this? close it? rescope to something we could actually do? 20:52:50 <skvidal> this looks like threebean https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/151 20:53:06 <skvidal> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/506 <- just close this 20:53:47 <nirik> skvidal: I kinda thought 506 was nice to do... not that anyone has any time to work on that kind of thing. ;( 20:53:51 <skvidal> right 20:53:56 <smooge> I have a calendering one... 20:53:58 <skvidal> and it will almost immediately be out of date 20:54:31 <skvidal> nirik: so you'll be writing up a doc that will instantly bitrot, yay 20:54:39 <skvidal> s/you/someone/ 20:54:51 <pingou> what about a wiki page ? 20:54:51 <nirik> skvidal: perhaps it could be autogenerated somehow. 20:55:01 <skvidal> nirik: from what? the pkgs we have installed? 20:55:18 <skvidal> nirik: I can dump out a list of pkg names on every system b/c.... that will be unhelpful 20:55:53 <nirik> yeah, not sure. ;( 20:57:09 * nirik reassignes 151 to threebean and updates it. 20:57:32 <pingou> #605 should be duable 20:57:40 <nirik> side note on the poll... I was pointed at http://www.primelife.eu/results/opensource/63-dudle 20:57:53 <pingou> check if the user is in more than one group, if so show the options 20:58:05 <nirik> pingou: cool. Would that be an easyfix type thing? or ? 20:58:31 <pingou> nirik: slightly above imo, it includes a db scheme change 20:58:48 <pingou> nirik: I had a web poll python based some time ago 20:58:52 <nirik> pingou: could you update that ticket with info? 20:59:14 <nirik> ok, we are running low on time... 20:59:47 <nirik> feel free to frob the older tickets as you all see fit... if you can get something moving or it looks like an easyfix, update it. 20:59:50 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 20:59:54 <nirik> anything for open floor? 21:00:01 <skvidal> I am going to bring this up on list 21:00:05 <skvidal> but I thought I'd float it out here 21:00:22 <skvidal> I'd like input on what people use/need/want from our config mgmt system 21:00:33 <skvidal> I've been playing with and adding some patches to another tool recently 21:00:38 <skvidal> and it has been making me think 21:00:48 <skvidal> about what we DO use versus what we need to use 21:01:02 <skvidal> and how complicated those can be to disambiguate 21:01:16 <skvidal> so I'd love to hear back from folks about what it is they want from config mgmt 21:01:24 <skvidal> what features are necessary 21:01:30 <skvidal> this is not about any specific tool 21:01:44 <nirik> cool. 21:01:54 <skvidal> I don't care about cfengine vs puppet vs bcfg2 vs salt - I care about what we're USING from those tools 21:02:25 <nirik> it might be worth mining our git puppet repo and seeing how many of each kind of statement there are? not sure thats easily greppable tho... 21:02:50 <skvidal> nirik: well I think it is reasonable to generate a list of requirements of basic requirements 21:02:56 <nirik> worth thinking about. yep. 21:03:01 <skvidal> my short list is this 21:03:06 <skvidal> pkg install/remove 21:03:11 <skvidal> file replacement 21:03:18 <skvidal> command execution 21:03:37 <skvidal> service 'chkconfig' 21:03:47 <nirik> groups of things? (ie, do all this on 'appservers') ? 21:03:47 <smooge> passwd setting/confirmation 21:03:48 <skvidal> process status checks 21:03:50 <pingou> stg vs prod ? 21:04:05 <skvidal> pingou: I consider stg vs prod to be an ANTI-feature, personally. 21:04:25 <skvidal> nirik: so is grouping something that's in the config mgmt? 21:04:31 <nirik> conditionals? if rhel5 {foo}, elseif AIX {doom} 21:04:39 <skvidal> nirik: or is grouping something that's in the tool that pushes the config mgmt? 21:04:57 <skvidal> nirik: so cases/conditions - what about templating? 21:05:25 <nirik> not sure. We seem to not like templating all that much, but I guess it's a feature. ;) 21:05:56 <skvidal> nirik: conditionalized actions? 21:06:06 <skvidal> ie: if file is changed then run this command? 21:06:10 <nirik> yeah, and related... variables? 21:06:23 <nirik> if bacula5 is true, do this 21:06:38 <skvidal> variables inherited from the system AND applied from the mgmt side 21:07:07 <skvidal> does config mgmt implicitly need to include some sort of inventory system or does it need to simply have access to one? 21:07:23 <skvidal> for example - if we moved to a different tool for the config mgmt but kept using 'facter' - just as an example 21:07:33 <nirik> I don't know that it matters... either way. 21:07:34 <skvidal> facter is the inventory system (to a limited extent) 21:07:37 <skvidal> ok 21:08:05 <nirik> one approach to this might be to look at our more complex machines... and ignore puppet and say 'what all needs to be done here to make this from basemachine' 21:08:13 <skvidal> nirik: +1 21:08:18 <skvidal> I like that idea very much 21:08:30 <skvidal> this came up as part of a couple of things I was working on this week 21:08:32 <nirik> then work back from that to see what would need to be known... 21:08:51 <skvidal> specifically trying to figure out all the places we would need to modify to make all of our http errorlogs go to log02 21:08:56 <skvidal> and to put it unkindly 21:09:00 <skvidal> it's a fracking mess 21:09:11 <nirik> yeah 21:09:21 <skvidal> so I started looking at the yaml catalogs in puppet for each node 21:10:03 <skvidal> and it's kinda ugly - but they do make it easier to see what _should_ be happening 21:10:25 <nirik> yeah. 21:10:30 <skvidal> the thing I've been playing with is called ansible (github.com/ansible/ 21:10:36 <skvidal> and let's ignore what it's doing 21:10:40 <skvidal> b/c that's immaterial 21:10:44 <skvidal> but there is one bit in there I like 21:10:47 <skvidal> the playbooks. 21:10:59 <nirik> the nice thing about ansible (or something like it) is that you could write scripts in any lang right? whatever you like best? 21:11:00 <skvidal> essentially a description of what to do on the machine to make it 'right'. 21:11:12 <skvidal> nirik: yah - you write modules in whatever language 21:11:17 <skvidal> as long as they can execute on the remote node 21:11:20 <skvidal> that's all that matters 21:11:31 <skvidal> it pushes them all over to the remote system (using ssh/sftp) and runs them 21:11:46 <skvidal> and reports back results to the person calling them 21:11:51 * nirik nods. 21:11:55 <skvidal> but that's all the 'how they do it' bits 21:12:02 <skvidal> I was comparing a puppet recipe 21:12:04 <skvidal> to a playbook 21:12:15 <smooge> I have to head out to go to a school meeting. 21:12:20 <skvidal> puppet is describing the state 21:12:26 <mdomsch> ! 21:12:27 <skvidal> whereas a playbook is describing what to do 21:12:34 <skvidal> mdomsch: ? 21:12:46 <mdomsch> typo 21:12:49 <skvidal> heh 21:12:59 <nirik> I guess there's kinda two parts here... 'is this machine the way it should be now?' if not 'how do I make it be that way' 21:13:13 <nirik> unless you want to just blindly replace files every run or the like. 21:13:21 <skvidal> well you don't have to replace all the files 21:13:23 <skvidal> like puppet 21:13:28 <skvidal> you can xfer a copy 21:13:33 <skvidal> diff the two 21:13:40 <skvidal> if they don't match, then the local one is wrong 21:13:41 <skvidal> replace it 21:13:43 <nirik> sure. 21:13:46 <skvidal> and take action accordingly 21:13:53 <skvidal> but, essentially, the assertion is this 21:13:58 <skvidal> the server is always right 21:13:58 <nirik> I'm just saying it seems like there's a 'collect info on the machine now' and 'act on that' 21:14:03 <skvidal> the node is potentially always wrong 21:14:08 <nirik> right 21:14:23 <mdomsch> skvidal: that sure sounds like puppet or chef to me... 21:14:36 <skvidal> mdomsch: I didn't say it wasn't 21:15:12 <skvidal> mdomsch: like I said - I don't want to hear about the specific tools - I'm trying to figure out what we USE and need to use 21:15:19 <mdomsch> yeah, ok 21:15:26 <nirik> anyhow, we are over time... so do post to list and we can continue discussions. ;) 21:15:31 <skvidal> ok 21:16:09 <mdomsch> new topic - S3 mirror 21:16:11 <nirik> #info skvidal to post to list and gather info on what we actually use in a Config mgmt system. 21:16:20 <nirik> mdomsch: oh yeah... go ahead 21:16:21 <mdomsch> I'll have to spin a copy of s3cmd private to FI 21:16:28 <mdomsch> until upstream takes my patches 21:16:37 <nirik> ick. Ok. 21:16:51 <mdomsch> I've got the mirror stuff working fairly well, a little heavyweight (md5 checks read all the RPMs in the tree) 21:16:57 <mdomsch> but functional 21:17:18 <mdomsch> I plan to deploy on bapp* when that's migrated 21:17:21 <nirik> cool. 21:17:48 <mdomsch> we had discussed here a few weeks ago running on releng* or secondary*, but a) bapp01 has the right mounts already; b) they're r/o 21:18:02 <nirik> yeah, I think thats best. 21:18:03 <mdomsch> that's all 21:18:13 <nirik> cool. 21:18:31 <nirik> #info mdomsch will be uploading a infra version of s3cmd until patches are upstreamed. 21:18:44 <nirik> #info will be deploying mirror sync on bapp01 once it's re-installed. 21:18:55 <nirik> cool. 21:18:56 <nirik> anything else? 21:19:07 <nirik> or shall we call it a meeting? 21:19:28 * skvidal has nothing 21:19:41 <rbergeron> "it's a meeting" 21:19:57 <skvidal> rbergeron: zing! 21:20:04 <nirik> rimshot 21:20:11 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone! 21:20:14 <rbergeron> :) 21:20:14 <nirik> #endmeeting

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Summary/Minutes from today's irc support sig meeting (2012-03-08)
by Kevin Fenzi 08 Mar '12

08 Mar '12

============================================= #fedora-meeting: IRC Support SIG (2012-03-08) ============================================= Meeting started by nirik at 17:00:01 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-08/irc-support-sig.… Meeting summary --------------- * init process (nirik, 17:00:01) * Week in review (nirik, 17:02:12) * LINK: http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html (nirik, 17:02:12) * LINK: https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2208 (nirik, 17:07:08) * Tickets (nirik, 17:12:35) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/report/1 (nirik, 17:12:36) * Open Floor (nirik, 17:12:47) Meeting ended at 17:19:03 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (42) * DiscordianUK (29) * FranciscoD (25) * che_ (8) * Sonar_Gal (6) * dailylinux (4) * zodbot (3) * VileGent (1) -- 17:00:01 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2012-03-08) 17:00:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Mar 8 17:00:01 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:01 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig 17:00:01 <nirik> #topic init process 17:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig' 17:00:12 <nirik> morning folks. Who's around for an irc support sig meeting? 17:00:20 * Sonar_Gal 17:01:05 * che_ waves 17:01:11 * DiscordianUK is 17:01:38 * FranciscoD is here 17:02:06 <nirik> likely a short meeting unless something exciting comes up. ;) 17:02:12 <nirik> #topic Week in review 17:02:12 <nirik> http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html 17:02:28 <nirik> pretty normal week over all. 17:03:20 <DiscordianUK> Been quietish 17:03:26 * FranciscoD came in 3rd! yeah! 17:03:35 <dailylinux> nirik, you discuss every week about how the activity is on the #fedora? 17:03:39 <Sonar_Gal> FranciscoD, 4th 17:03:57 <FranciscoD> 3rd :( 17:04:13 <nirik> dailylinux: yep. 17:04:28 <nirik> anything to note over the last week... common support problems, etc 17:04:43 <dailylinux> nirik, ok. I see. What's this rating for? 17:04:46 <nirik> sometimes we can see a pattern of a bug or type of bug. 17:04:50 <DiscordianUK> ATI is a common issue 17:04:58 <DiscordianUK> at the moment 17:05:03 <che_> DiscordianUK, the proprietary driver? 17:05:12 <dailylinux> ATI grahpic card drivers? 17:05:14 <DiscordianUK> People using the ati one yes 17:05:23 <nirik> dailylinux: in the link above? thats number of lines typed per nick. ;) Mostly just a note of who is the most active. 17:05:24 * FranciscoD isnt sure what we can do about it 17:05:29 <che_> do they have problems with the rpmfusion packages? 17:05:37 <DiscordianUK> rather than the rpmfusion one 17:05:43 * nirik recommends against catalyst these days. Almost no one has good luck with it. 17:05:47 <dailylinux> nirik, yes. Ah, i see :) 17:05:48 <che_> ah script driven installs 17:05:54 <che_> nirik, it wfm 17:06:04 <che_> nirik, with a hd 6950 you dont have too much choice atm 17:06:15 <FranciscoD> the rpmfusion package has build issues or something, right? 17:06:21 <DiscordianUK> No people just go to ATIs site 17:06:22 * FranciscoD remembers reading something 17:06:26 <nirik> che_: I know about 5 people now who it works for, but see about 50 that fail to get it working on #fedora. ;) 17:06:38 <che_> nirik, send them to me ;) 17:06:45 <nirik> FranciscoD: yes. 17:06:45 <che_> nirik, i can check what the cause is i guess 17:06:52 <nirik> che_: ok. happy to. ;) 17:06:57 <DiscordianUK> The rpmfusion driver breaks with gnome3 17:07:01 <nirik> FranciscoD: yes. 17:07:08 <nirik> https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2208 17:07:09 <FranciscoD> well, someone needs to step up and take it up in rpmfusion 17:07:13 * FranciscoD is happy with nvidia 17:07:16 <DiscordianUK> We know that 17:07:18 <FranciscoD> never used ATI 17:07:29 <Sonar_Gal> ^^ 17:07:38 * FranciscoD looks at the bug 17:08:21 <FranciscoD> hrm, I could try to fix it, but no clue how I'll test it without hardware 17:08:32 * FranciscoD wouldnt know how to test it even if he had hw though XD 17:08:33 <nirik> anyhow, any other things of note last week? 17:08:36 <DiscordianUK> I don;t see what rpmfusion could do 17:09:01 <DiscordianUK> They just repackage the ati stuff in a more friendly way 17:09:09 <FranciscoD> aye 17:09:31 <FranciscoD> nirik: I havent seen any issues on the channel 17:09:39 <DiscordianUK> I have 17:09:42 <FranciscoD> no trolls, no loss of temper (fortunately) 17:09:50 * FranciscoD listens to DiscordianUK 17:09:57 <DiscordianUK> quite frequently this week 17:10:08 <nirik> DiscordianUK: what issues? something you would like to bring up? 17:10:20 <DiscordianUK> Just the ATI thing 17:10:59 <nirik> ah, right, ok. 17:11:07 <DiscordianUK> The problem is that gnome3 doesn't work well with either the ati one or the rpmfusion one 17:11:27 <FranciscoD> anyone tested 17 with ATI? 17:11:28 <DiscordianUK> I can't point at any other common trends 17:11:34 <FranciscoD> how does that work? 17:11:40 <nirik> well, radeon works pretty well, but not so great on very new cards. (as che mentioned) 17:12:12 <DiscordianUK> I use radeon 17:12:33 <nirik> anyhow, moving along 17:12:35 <DiscordianUK> Though in fact catalyst works for me with XFCE 17:12:35 <nirik> #topic Tickets 17:12:36 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/report/1 17:12:41 <nirik> no tickets this week 17:12:47 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 17:12:52 <nirik> Anyone have anything for open floor? 17:13:27 <DiscordianUK> I think the beta TC1 for f17 has shipped 17:13:46 <nirik> F17 beta has shipped, yes. 17:13:49 <nirik> alpha 17:13:50 <Sonar_Gal> DiscordianUK, Yes It has 17:13:51 <nirik> sorry 17:13:59 <FranciscoD> nirik: alpha, right? 17:14:08 <DiscordianUK> So are we gonna do normal trend for F17? 17:14:09 <FranciscoD> ah, yes, alpha 17:14:09 <nirik> yeah, ENOTENOUGHCOFFEE 17:14:18 <DiscordianUK> Sorry my error 17:14:31 * FranciscoD will update as soon as 17 goes beta 17:14:36 <nirik> yeah, our same process... we can start supporting things after beta. 17:14:42 <DiscordianUK> So support after we ship beta 17:14:44 <DiscordianUK> yes 17:14:59 <nirik> which is around a month out 17:15:01 <nirik> 2012-04-03 17:15:10 * DiscordianUK nodz 17:15:13 <Sonar_Gal> wow no tickets again this week 17:15:23 <DiscordianUK> yeah if it doesn't slip 17:15:42 * VileGent 17:15:58 <nirik> DiscordianUK: we shipped alpha on time for the first time in many releases. ;) 17:16:22 <FranciscoD> yay! 17:16:38 <DiscordianUK> I think adamw said it was the roughest alpha we've done in a while 17:16:52 <nirik> he did, but it seems about normal to me. ;) 17:16:59 <FranciscoD> yeah, 17:17:03 * FranciscoD is running it on virt 17:17:29 <DiscordianUK> So lets hope we make the beta deadline 17:17:34 <nirik> yep. 17:17:40 <Sonar_Gal> agreed 17:17:41 <nirik> ok, if nothing else will close out in a minute... 17:17:47 <DiscordianUK> and ship gold on time 17:17:55 <DiscordianUK> I'm done 17:17:56 <nirik> thanks for helping everyone, and keep up the great work. 17:18:16 <FranciscoD> do remember to update your aliases as f17 comes up :) 17:19:01 <nirik> thanks everyone. 17:19:03 <nirik> #endmeeting

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Fedora Video Log: 03/08/2012
by María Leandro 08 Mar '12

08 Mar '12

Logs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting_channel for meeting schedule <zodbot> Meeting ended Thu Mar 8 16:30:11 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . <zodbot> Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-08/fedora-meeting.2… <zodbot> Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-08/fedora-meeting.2… <zodbot> Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-08/fedora-meeting.2… <zodbot> Please remember to CC: meetingminutes(a)lists.fedoraproject.org on your summary/minutes email. -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:tatica LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56

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i18n meeting summary (2012-03-08)
by Akira TAGOH 08 Mar '12

08 Mar '12

===================== #fedora-meeting: i18n ===================== Meeting started by tagoh at 05:04:23 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-08/i18n.2012-03-08-… . Meeting summary --------------- * agenda and roll call (tagoh, 05:04:35) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2012-03-08 (tagoh, 05:04:45) * F17 (tagoh, 05:10:16) * ACTION: __anish__ will check browser testcase (tagoh, 05:21:25) * ACTION: jni_ will updates font application testcase (tagoh, 05:22:49) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_i18n_font_application do we still use system-config-language for setting language? (pravins, 05:23:29) * ACTION: juhp will check langpack testcases (tagoh, 05:24:36) * ACTION: tagoh will check input method testcase (tagoh, 05:25:49) * Input Methods (tagoh, 05:31:42) * Fonts and Rendering (tagoh, 05:39:02) * LINK: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fonts/2012-March/001412.html (tagoh, 05:39:34) * need to think about changing monospace for Chinese: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fonts/2012-March/001412.html (tagoh, 05:43:14) * Open Floor (tagoh, 05:51:55) * ACTION: fujiwarat to update ibus testcase (tagoh, 05:54:53) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=800205 (VICODAN, 05:57:17) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=799174 (VICODAN, 05:57:26) * ACTION: fujiwarat to update docbeats for ibus (tagoh, 05:58:39) Meeting ended at 06:04:25 UTC. Action Items ------------ * __anish__ will check browser testcase * jni_ will updates font application testcase * juhp will check langpack testcases * tagoh will check input method testcase * fujiwarat to update ibus testcase * fujiwarat to update docbeats for ibus Action Items, by person ----------------------- * __anish__ * __anish__ will check browser testcase * fujiwarat * fujiwarat to update ibus testcase * fujiwarat to update docbeats for ibus * jni_ * jni_ will updates font application testcase * juhp * juhp will check langpack testcases * tagoh * tagoh will check input method testcase * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tagoh (69) * juhp (23) * VICODAN (10) * pravins (10) * __anish__ (5) * zodbot (3) * fujiwarat (3) * jni_ (2) * dueno (1) * lijli (1) * paragan (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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FAmSco meeting 2012-03-07 minutes
by Christoph Wickert 07 Mar '12

07 Mar '12

Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-07/famsco.2012-03-0… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-07/famsco.2012-03-0… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-07/famsco.2012-03-0… Meet you again next week Wednesday, March 14th at 22:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting! Regards, Christoph ================================== #fedora-meeting: FAmSCo 2012-03-07 ================================== Meeting started by cwickert at 22:04:32 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-07/famsco.2012-03-0… . Meeting summary --------------- * only four FAmSCo members present: cwickert, herlo, kaio_ph and herlo (cwickert, 22:06:59) * no regrets from the other members (cwickert, 22:07:07) * Roll Call (cwickert, 22:08:23) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/report/9 (cwickert, 22:09:15) * Swag shipping improvements (cwickert, 22:09:32) * igorps and yn1v have joined the meeting, only gbraad is missing (cwickert, 22:17:57) * herlo suggested a wiki page with recommendations for swag wrangling, possible good idea (herlo, 22:29:46) * ACTION: herlo will write a wiki page with best swag working practices (yn1v, 22:41:13) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/draftbudget/ (cwickert, 22:43:56) * ACTION: cwickert to nag harish about confirming the budget (cwickert, 22:49:04) * New FAmSco election rules (cwickert, 22:49:42) * FUDCon bids 2012 (cwickert, 22:50:42) * FUDCon APAC will take place at Kuala Lumpur May 18th - 20th 2012 (cwickert, 22:51:38) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:EMEA_2012_Bid_Budapest (cwickert, 22:58:01) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Paris_2012 (cwickert, 22:58:08) * FAmSCo is overall very happy with the French bid but has 2 major concerns: the timing and the overlap with OWF and the costs for the venue which could be up to 10k EUR (cwickert, 23:17:13) * FAmSCo likes the Budapest bid, too, but it lacks a lot of information (cwickert, 23:32:08) * ACTION: zoltanh721 to update the Budapest bid wiki page with numbers on budget and other details (cwickert, 23:32:38) * FAmSCo will revisit the topic next week. final deadline for a decision is in two weeks from now, that is 2012-03-21 (cwickert, 23:35:26) * ACTION: : all FAmSCo members to go through the new tickets on https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/report/9 in track by next week (cwickert, 23:38:49) Meeting ended at 23:44:38 UTC.

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