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APAC FAms bi-weekly 2012-05-26 Meeting minutes logs
by Buddhike Kurera 26 May '12

26 May '12

Hello Folks, Here is the notes for the APAC FAms Bi-weekly meeting on May 26th, please refer to the full logs at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-26/apac-fam-biweekl… Next meeting June 9th, please add/ update the meeting agenda, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2012-06-09 Thanks for the participation ! Meeting summary (http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-26/apac-fam-biweekl…) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2012-05-26 (bckurera, 03:58:47) Ambassador Pinging (bckurera, 03:59:17) Review *ACTION* items from the last meeting (bckurera, 04:01:33) http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-05/apac.2012-05-05-… (bckurera, 04:02:46) F17 would be released in a couple days; so hurry up, post all your planning release parties onto wiki and announce to everyone, especially your participants (tuanta, 04:07:28) F17 ISO images might be ready 2 days early to send to mirrors (tuanta, 04:13:24) ACTION: all we should update all upcoming F17 release parties onto wiki (bckurera, 04:14:58) APAC for FAmSCO (dramsey for you!) (bckurera, 04:15:07) http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/advisory-board/2012-May/011613.html (bckurera, 04:16:57) APAC Events and Status of F17 Release Parties (dramsey) (bckurera, 04:18:38) if you are planning for a F17 release party, please do not forget to estimate for budget and request for funds to get approval on APAC trac (https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/) asap (tuanta, 04:22:12) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F17_Surakarta (arifiauo, 04:23:52) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY13_Q1_.28March_2012_-_May_2012.29_4 and (dramsey, 04:26:52) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY13_Q2_.28June_2012_-_August_2012.29… (dramsey, 04:26:52) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F17_release_events (dramsey, 04:26:53) Review APAC trac tickets (bckurera, 04:30:04) https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/27 (bckurera, 04:30:18) Please use fedora-apac trac for all fund requests so that we can supoprt your need (bckurera, 04:31:08) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Reimbursements page need to be updated. as India Trac is being closed down (maktrix, 04:36:14) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Reimbursements page need to be updated. as India Trac is being closed down (dramsey, 04:37:40) pre-payments could be sometimes happened, First step is let FAmSCo approve the amount, And mention pre payment with quote, Then harish will do the rest. (tuanta, 04:40:56) ACTION: arifiauo Update the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Reimbursements page (dramsey, 04:42:08) jurank_dankkal attach quotes and whatever info possible to ticket. Will be discussed asap after that. (FranciscoD, 04:48:42) ACTION: jurank_dankkal ping harish about pre-payments (FranciscoD, 04:49:14) Open Floor (bckurera, 04:52:59) the FAmSCo elections this time are open for all contributors in CLA+1 to vote (tuanta, 04:54:47) ACTION: FranciscoD make text agenda draft for next meeting (FranciscoD, 04:59:28) ACTION: FAm APAC: update wiki page with FUDCon reports + photos + presentations (FranciscoD, 05:00:23) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:KualaLumpur_2012/Reports_photos_and_p… (FranciscoD, 05:00:36) Meeting ended at 05:02:14 UTC (full logs). Action items all we should update all upcoming F17 release parties onto wiki arifiauo Update the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Reimbursements page jurank_dankkal ping harish about pre-payments FranciscoD make text agenda draft for next meeting FAm APAC: update wiki page with FUDCon reports + photos + presentations Action items, by person arifiauo arifiauo Update the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Reimbursements page FranciscoD FranciscoD make text agenda draft for next meeting jurank_dankkal jurank_dankkal ping harish about pre-payments UNASSIGNED all we should update all upcoming F17 release parties onto wiki FAm APAC: update wiki page with FUDCon reports + photos + presentations People present (lines said) bckurera (86) dramsey (52) tuanta (45) FranciscoD (38) maktrix (35) kaio_ph (34) arifiauo (33) jurank_dankkal (30) zodbot (21) inode0 (7) dan408 (5) MarkDude (3) hanthana (2) Suresh (1) bckurera_ (0) -- Regards, Buddhike Chandradeepa Kurera(bckurera) Fedora Ambassador - APAC region Event Liaison - Design Team Email: bckurera(a)fedoraproject.org | IRC: bckurera

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Fedora Kernel Meeting Minutes 05-24-2012
by Josh Boyer 25 May '12

25 May '12

============================== #fedora-meeting: Fedora Kernel ============================== Meeting started by jwb at 18:00:29 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-25/fedora-kernel.20… . Meeting summary --------------- * Release overview (jwb, 18:01:02) * Release overview - F15 (jwb, 18:01:53) * F15 to stay on 3.3.y until EOL (jwb, 18:05:24) * bugs will be looked over and triaged one final time (jwb, 18:05:45) * Release overview - F16 (jwb, 18:05:50) * Release overview - F16/F17 (jwb, 18:07:33) * F16/F17 moving to 3.4 once 3.3.7 moves to stable updates (jwb, 18:07:52) * iwlwifi seems to have more issues. again. for like the 3rd kernel release (jwb, 18:09:23) * ACTION: jforbes to discuss 3.4 iwlwifi issues with linville before rebase (jwb, 18:10:45) * F17 Gold. Yay. 0-day kernel updates will be pending for all (jwb, 18:15:34) * 3.4 rebase (iwlwifi issues aside) should close a number of f17 bugs (jwb, 18:17:08) * Release overview - rawhide (jwb, 18:17:41) * rawhide rebased to 3.5 merge window (jwb, 18:20:21) * uprobes merged and enabled (jwb, 18:20:26) * Open Floor (jwb, 18:22:13) * kernel-test regression test framework on fedorahosted now (jwb, 18:23:05) * LINK: http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=kernel-tests.git (jwb, 18:23:15) Meeting ended at 18:30:11 UTC. Action Items ------------ * jforbes to discuss 3.4 iwlwifi issues with linville before rebase Action Items, by person ----------------------- * jforbes * jforbes to discuss 3.4 iwlwifi issues with linville before rebase * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * jwb (54) * davej (26) * jforbes (18) * nirik (8) * zodbot (3) * brunowolff (3) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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[KFI] Rangkuman Meeting 26 Mei 2012 (Persiapan FAD Padang)
by Prima Yogi Loviniltra 25 May '12

25 May '12

Guys, maaf meeting ini dadakan saya lupa memberitahu di milis, tapi udah saya informasikan di Facebook Page KPLI Padang, karena yang penting hadir adalah panitian dari Padang. Meeting ini masih membahas kelanjutan persiapan FAD Padang. Rangkuman : Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-id/2012-05-25/fedora-id.2012-05-25-… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-id/2012-05-25/fedora-id.2012-05-25-… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-id/2012-05-25/fedora-id.2012-05-25-… -- *Best Regards,* *PRIMA YOGI LOVINILTRA* Fedora Contributor & Ambassadors *Indonesian guy who live in and love Malaysia* *M: (6)016 640 0385* *W: *http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jurankdankkal* <http://numoss.org/>* *B: **http://yogi.numoss.org/ <http://numoss.org/>* *A: http://about.me/loviniltra* *L: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/prima-yogi-loviniltra/44/517/148<http://about.me/loviniltra> * * This message is a PRIVATE communication. This message and all attachments are a private communication sent by a representative of me and may be confidential or protected by privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the information contained in or attached to this message is strictly prohibited. Please notify the sender of the delivery error by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. Thank you.*

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Fedora 17 Final is declared GOLD!
by Robyn Bergeron 24 May '12

24 May '12

At the Fedora 17 Final Go/No-Go meeting today, the F17 Final Release (RC4) was declared GOLD and ready for GA on May 29, 2012. Thanks to everyone who came today, and to everyone who helped get the Beefy Miracle ready for public devouring. :) Links to meeting minutes and logs follow below. Cheers, -Robyn Meeting Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-05-24/fedora_17_fina… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-05-24/fedora_17_fina… ========================================================== #fedora-meeting-1: Fedora 17 Final Go NoGo Meeting Round 2 ========================================================== Meeting started by rbergeron at 17:01:09 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-05-24/fedora_17_fina… . Meeting summary --------------- * Why are we here (rbergero, 17:05:46) * The purpose of this meeting is to determine the "shippiness" of the final release of F17 (RC4, to be specific). All blocker bugs must be resolved, the test matrices need to be completed, we need to meet final release criteria, QA needs to be on board. :) (rbergero, 17:06:54) * Blocker Bugs (rbergero, 17:07:23) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers (tflink, 17:08:21) * (824191) nfsiso install hangs during reboot (tflink, 17:09:32) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=824191 (tflink, 17:09:32) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 17:09:32) * AGREED: - 824191 - RejectedBlocker - While this is a bug, it doesn't directly violate any of the Fedora 17 release criteria (the install completes, the installed system works). Given that it should only affect a minority of users and could be fixed with an updates.img - it doesn't need to block release. (tflink, 17:18:12) * (824641) kernel 3.3 crashes with blk_dump_rq_flags+ when using a file:/// backend instead of phy:// backend (tflink, 17:18:29) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=824641 (tflink, 17:18:32) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 17:18:35) * AGREED: - 824641 - RejectedBlocker - This appears to be a Dom0 issue instead of a DomU issue which does not violate any of the Fedora 17 release criteria. In addition, the use of file:// storage backends is not recommended and phy:// storage backends do not seem affected by this bug (tflink, 17:34:24) * Release Criteria and Test Matrices (rbergero, 17:35:34) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_17_Final_RC4_Install (tflink, 17:36:14) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_17_Final_RC4_Desktop (tflink, 17:36:28) * 813257 is waived as a blocker as the only options are to wait indefinitely for a fix or drop kdepim entirely; we can't just drop the offending application as it's part of kdepim, which we need (adamw, 17:46:13) * 819275 agreed not to be worthy of blocker consideration as it affects fallback mode only, and fallback mode is niche now (adamw, 18:03:31) * Ship or not to ship, that is the question (rbergero, 18:04:32) * AGREED: We shall ship the Beefy Miracle (aka F17) on Tuesday, May 29 (rbergero, 18:05:56) Meeting ended at 18:07:23 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * adamw (90) * tflink (56) * rbergero (47) * dgilmore (24) * darnok (13) * akshayvyas (7) * nirik (6) * red_alert (5) * zodbot (5) * kparal (3) * mbroyles__ (3) * ADSLLC (1) * rbergeron (1) * satellit_Tris55R (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Summary/Minutes from today's irc support sig meeting (2012-05-24)
by Kevin Fenzi 24 May '12

24 May '12

============================================= #fedora-meeting: IRC Support SIG (2012-05-24) ============================================= Meeting started by nirik at 17:00:00 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-24/irc-support-sig.… . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (nirik, 17:00:00) * Week in review (nirik, 17:02:54) * LINK: http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html (nirik, 17:02:54) * ticket 108 - Proposal for Ammendment to the IRC Support SIGPolicy (nirik, 17:05:59) * further discussion about a probation period for new ops (nirik, 17:12:23) * ticket 107 - Mass Removal Of Stagnant Voting Members (nirik, 17:13:16) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/107 (nirik, 17:14:11) * will collect up the votes in ticket and clarify. (nirik, 17:21:08) * AGREED: will remove folks who no longer wish to be involved and say so (nirik, 17:22:48) * ticket 105 - #fedora-social and #fedora channel nomination N3LRX (nirik, 17:26:57) * ticket 112 - Improper use of zodbot op abilities in #fedora (nb) (nirik, 17:30:11) * ticket 110 - Release ban requested for user OzBorne in #fedora (nirik, 17:36:22) * AGREED: will wait and see if they require more banning for further actions (nirik, 17:45:25) * ticket 111 - Improve handling of unregistered users (nirik, 17:45:32) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/111 (EvilBob, 17:45:55) * Open Floor (nirik, 17:48:25) * AGREED: will stop feedback now and re-enable before release. (nirik, 17:51:41) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/108 Work on this week, vote on Thursday (EvilBob, 17:52:28) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/107 Vote next week I will work on a wiki page for voting (EvilBob, 17:52:55) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/105 vote on Thursday (EvilBob, 17:53:15) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/112 Handled (EvilBob, 17:53:28) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/110 Let'em swing (EvilBob, 17:53:51) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/111 Closed, Dead Horse (EvilBob, 17:54:10) Meeting ended at 17:55:01 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (113) * EvilBob (108) * Sonar_Gal (58) * dcr226 (49) * Khaytsus (9) * FranciscoD (5) * zodbot (4) * N3LRX (3) * cyberworm54 (3) * Sonar_Guy (1) * LetoTo (1) -- 17:00:00 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2012-05-24) 17:00:00 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu May 24 17:00:00 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:00 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:00 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig 17:00:00 <nirik> #topic init process 17:00:00 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig' 17:00:19 * N3LRX 17:00:23 * FranciscoD 17:00:24 <nirik> #chair EvilBob dcr226 17:00:24 <zodbot> Current chairs: EvilBob dcr226 nirik 17:00:25 * EvilBob 17:00:55 * nirik waits for folks to come in 17:01:08 <nirik> note that the go/no-go meeting for f17 is happening in #fedora-meeting-1 17:01:15 * dcr226 partys like its 1999 17:01:16 * FranciscoD is sitting in there too :P 17:01:19 * EvilBob hears the noon siren, time to get out of the mines... 17:02:07 * nirik will wait another minute for folks to wander in.. 17:02:29 * Sonar_Gal is partially here but may have to leave quickly so get it started or cancel till next week!!! 17:02:41 <Sonar_Gal> To much to do 17:02:48 <nirik> ok, we can dive on in... 17:02:54 <nirik> #topic Week in review 17:02:54 <nirik> http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html 17:02:59 <nirik> anything for week in review? 17:03:15 <nirik> bunch of f17 folks now... but otherwise pretty normal IMHO 17:03:28 <EvilBob> A lot of people chomping at the bit for F17 is all 17:03:55 <nirik> yeah. 17:03:55 <EvilBob> Oh... 17:04:02 <dcr226> f17 is pretty nice...nothing to report here 17:04:06 <FranciscoD> aye 17:04:13 <FranciscoD> a few bugs, but been taken care of 17:04:16 <dcr226> apart from lxpanel turning me over at every available opportunity 17:04:54 <EvilBob> New user from "downunder" He tries real hard and is not quite getting a few things. Lets try to give him a break as he is trying, he's been getting ganged up on a bit. 17:05:14 * FranciscoD notes that 17:05:40 <nirik> yeah, one of the things we need to keep trying to improve on 17:05:47 <nirik> ok, moving on. 17:05:51 <EvilBob> Yup 17:05:59 <nirik> #topic ticket 108 - Proposal for Ammendment to the IRC Support SIGPolicy 17:06:26 <nirik> I liked the last draft I looked at with a few nitpicks. I think EvilBob made some changes for those nitpicks, but haven't had a chance to look super closely. 17:06:45 <EvilBob> the current revision is here following nirik's input yesterday https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=User:Dp67/sandbox/irc-sig&oldid… 17:07:26 <nirik> EvilBob: yeah, N3LRX did a commit on the current page and backed it out so we could use diff on it. ;) But yeah, mostly looked good to me. 17:07:27 * Khaytsus 17:07:41 * Sonar_Guy 17:07:54 <EvilBob> One question I have on it 17:08:03 * nirik hasn't heard much feedback from others. 17:08:16 <EvilBob> In the past we had a probation for new ops, did we want to add that back in? 17:08:36 <Sonar_Gal> We should 90 days wasn't it 17:08:53 <EvilBob> Sonar_Gal: Yeah 3 months/90 days 17:09:10 <nirik> well, I'm not sure what that means... ? 17:09:19 <EvilBob> The problem being, what does it mean 17:09:23 <nirik> that their status can be removed by anyone for any reason? or ? 17:09:31 <EvilBob> What are the expectations and repercussions 17:09:35 <nirik> or at least removed more easily than voting them out? 17:09:41 <Sonar_Gal> nirik, sorry last week of school last week and this week so no time to reply to emails. Finished school yesterday and at school at 7am for rotc practice today 17:10:12 <EvilBob> Sonar_Gal: we have until next week to vote on and work on this. 17:10:14 * nirik notes he also has been swamped, and would be fine with further discussion on this draft. perhaps we can get it so everyone is happy with it. ;) 17:10:16 <Sonar_Gal> Before it was 90 days of bot-ops and if they couldn't handle the situations correctly they were removed. 17:10:41 <Sonar_Gal> This gives time to see if these people can be an op in the channels they have bot ops in 17:10:55 <Sonar_Gal> or of they need to go full op or just stay bot op 17:11:03 <EvilBob> Sonar_Gal: can we get together as a small group before next weeks meeting and work out the language for this? 17:11:34 <Sonar_Gal> EvilBob, Won't be till Tues or Wed with the holiday this weekend and graduation 17:11:36 <EvilBob> Sonar_Gal: I agree with the 90days as long as we have a meaning to it. 17:11:53 <EvilBob> Sonar_Gal: I can make myself available on Tuesday 17:11:55 <Sonar_Gal> ok 17:12:06 * nirik isn't sure it makes sense, but could be persuaded. 17:12:23 <nirik> #info further discussion about a probation period for new ops 17:12:26 * dcr226 prepares the persuasion equipment 17:12:32 * nirik runs for his life 17:12:35 <EvilBob> nirik: I think we can work on it in a small group and add it to the ticket for consideration 17:12:36 <dcr226> ;-) 17:12:46 <nirik> sounds good to me. 17:12:55 <Sonar_Gal> that works 17:12:57 <nirik> any other comments on this ticket? or should we move along? 17:13:03 <Sonar_Gal> next 17:13:09 <EvilBob> Next 17:13:16 <nirik> #topic ticket 107 - Mass Removal Of Stagnant Voting Members 17:13:36 <nirik> so, are we ready to tally here? 17:13:40 <nirik> or want more time? 17:13:58 <EvilBob> I'll make a comment on the other ticket about the probation item 17:14:01 <Sonar_Gal> I thought we were not removing op's unless they wanted to be removed 17:14:11 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/107 17:14:26 <EvilBob> If they have not been heard from should they be kept? 17:14:34 <Sonar_Gal> some bounce in and out when they have time and other's just have no time right now 17:14:37 <nirik> Sonar_Gal: under the current rules ops can be removed if there are votes to do so. 17:14:44 <Sonar_Gal> oh ok 17:15:02 <Khaytsus> Some of those OPs might not even repond or pay attention anymore 17:15:19 <nirik> I'm fine with removing everyone who didn't reply to the ticket indicating that they wished to remain/stay involved. 17:15:35 <Sonar_Gal> -1 to kanarip as he is in fedora and social and does help or chat when he has time 17:15:42 <nirik> but I am -1 to any of those people who did reply saying they wanted to be involved. 17:15:44 <Sonar_Gal> He has a different nick in -social 17:16:06 <EvilBob> Also in the case jsmith he was never elected in to an ops position and in the past we have never had a provision for honorary special privs 17:16:06 <Khaytsus> Yes, if anyone wants to remain on the list, I say remove them from the cut 17:16:35 <EvilBob> He was only added to being an op as he was FPL 17:16:35 <nirik> EvilBob: we never had a clear process for adding people in the past... 17:16:52 <Sonar_Gal> He is the only one on the list that I see keeping 17:16:53 <EvilBob> nirik: we have always voted on ops 17:17:09 <EvilBob> nirik: Since the start of the SIG 17:17:10 * dcr226 is -1 for thomasj and mharris 17:17:24 <Sonar_Gal> most were given op's by spot cause it was needed and most are not around now 17:17:54 <Sonar_Gal> kanarip, got op's before the sig but is around and helps and chats in -social 17:17:58 <nirik> actually I don't see jsmith as an op anywhere 17:18:11 <dcr226> nirik, he's just a member of the sig afaik 17:18:12 <Sonar_Gal> he was only an op as the FPL 17:18:17 <EvilBob> I'm cool with keeping thomasj, if mharris wants to be an op still I'm fine with that also, if he just want's a voice thenthere is the "voting memeber" option in the proposed changes. 17:18:27 <nirik> Sonar_Gal: he's not in any of the access lists. 17:18:52 <Sonar_Gal> nirik, kanarip ? 17:18:56 <Sonar_Gal> or jsmith? 17:19:00 <nirik> jsmith: 17:19:14 <Sonar_Gal> ah ok 17:19:26 <EvilBob> nirik: So if jsmith not an op and only a "voting member" I am fine with that staying 17:19:32 <nirik> so, where are we here. It's a bit of a muddle with all the people in one ticket. 17:19:44 <nirik> EvilBob: that seems to be the case... 17:19:50 <nirik> from what I can see. 17:19:58 <EvilBob> nirik: How about I clean up the ticket and make it more clear who is what 17:20:16 <EvilBob> nirik: we can vote things next week I would think. 17:20:19 <nirik> EvilBob: could you add a running tally too? 17:20:37 <EvilBob> nirik: Yeah that was my plan, who voted and what they voted 17:20:44 <nirik> sounds great to me. 17:20:52 <nirik> any objections or further ideas? 17:21:00 <EvilBob> I'll try to work on that today 17:21:03 <dcr226> well....you can make it a bit easier: 17:21:04 <Sonar_Gal> We need to look at the -social list of op's also and remove a few that are inactive 17:21:08 <nirik> #info will collect up the votes in ticket and clarify. 17:21:31 <dcr226> there are a couple of members who have already intinated that they have no issue with their removal....surely these can just go, with a view to making the list smaller? 17:21:40 <dcr226> warren was one iirc 17:22:04 <nirik> sure, I'm fine with that... no reason to keep someone against their will 17:22:12 <EvilBob> dcr226: Agreed 17:22:16 <Sonar_Gal> agree 17:22:36 <nirik> I can clean those up as they appear. 17:22:48 <nirik> #agreed will remove folks who no longer wish to be involved and say so 17:22:51 <EvilBob> nirik: Is it OK if I go with the classifications of members as in the proposal? 17:23:06 <nirik> op vs voting ? or ? 17:23:10 <EvilBob> Yeah 17:23:24 <dcr226> I wonder if this would be better as a temporary page on the wiki? A table of members maybe? 17:23:29 <EvilBob> op <what channel> and/or Voting member 17:23:39 <EvilBob> dcr226: Damn good idea 17:23:57 <EvilBob> dcr226: I'll set up a sandbox to play in 17:24:01 * dcr226 avoids any wiki-wrangling usually 17:24:16 <EvilBob> dcr226: As long as I get input I can handle it 17:24:17 <nirik> EvilBob: so, folks who are not ops but have been invited to help out/provide feedback in the -ops channel, are voting members? or is there another state there/ 17:24:51 <EvilBob> nirik: I think that invitees to -ops are different than the "voting upper class" 17:25:11 <Sonar_Gal> Thought we decided only Sig/Fas could vote 17:25:23 <EvilBob> Sonar_Gal: Right 17:25:26 <nirik> ok, so then there needs to be another state for that? invitee? 17:25:29 <Sonar_Gal> that is something else we need to get worked out 17:25:36 <EvilBob> nirik: I think it is covered 17:25:49 <EvilBob> I will review the draft and make sure 17:26:12 <EvilBob> I think we can move on and work on this in the sandbox and on the ticket 17:26:22 <nirik> ok, so, clean up the current ticket and add a vote tally, I will remove people who want to be removed this week, and the rest we can finish up next week? 17:26:36 <EvilBob> Sounds fair to me 17:26:38 <Sonar_Gal> +1 17:26:43 <EvilBob> +1 17:26:47 <nirik> cool. 17:26:57 <nirik> #topic ticket 105 - #fedora-social and #fedora channel nomination N3LRX 17:27:10 <nirik> shall we vote on this? or do we want further discussion? 17:27:23 <EvilBob> THis is a discussion meeting on this ticket 17:27:36 * dcr226 +1, don't think this will need discussion 17:27:36 <EvilBob> as noted in the ticket 17:27:41 <dcr226> to clarify: I can't see anyone objecting 17:27:50 <dcr226> oh...ok, my bad...pre-emptive +1 then ;-) 17:27:59 * nirik is +1, but if we want to wait another week for voting I don't care. 17:28:12 <Sonar_Gal> I have no problems with N3LRX getting op's in those channels he is level headed and normally fun to be around 17:28:14 <EvilBob> from the ticket "I'm going to change the vote date to 2012-05-31 to allow discussion on 2012-05-24. Both the nominee and I can not make the meeting (discussion) this week, 2012-05-17." 17:28:35 <Sonar_Gal> ok 17:28:50 <EvilBob> I think it's fair that we follow that as I posted it last week 17:29:09 * dcr226 is cool with that 17:29:11 <nirik> sure, fine with me. 17:29:12 <Sonar_Gal> ok 17:29:17 <nirik> N3LRX: anything to add? ;) 17:29:21 <EvilBob> NEXT! 17:29:58 <N3LRX> I enjoy working with the sig and look forward to becoming more involved. 17:30:02 <nirik> ok, moving along. :) 17:30:08 <nirik> thanks N3LRX 17:30:11 <nirik> #topic ticket 112 - Improper use of zodbot op abilities in #fedora (nb) 17:30:22 <EvilBob> N3LRX: You are an asset 17:30:29 <nirik> I've removed zodbot from the autoop list, so it shouldn't have any op privs anymore. 17:30:37 <dcr226> EvilBob, you are an ass 17:30:40 <dcr226> asset* 17:30:45 <nirik> With that, I personally am fine saying 'don't do this' and closing the ticket. 17:30:46 <dcr226> damn you <enter> key 17:30:47 <dcr226> ;-) 17:30:48 <EvilBob> dcr226: Tell me something I don't know? 17:30:51 <dcr226> LOL 17:31:04 * dcr226 couldn't resist that one 17:31:28 <EvilBob> nirik: So zodbot can not get or give ops in any of our channels, correct? 17:31:44 <nirik> yep. 17:31:48 <nirik> it was set to 'auto op' 17:31:54 <nirik> so when it rejoined chanserv would op it 17:32:05 <nirik> that is no longer the case 17:32:05 <dcr226> it is still capable of getting +o on -ops 17:32:17 <nirik> oh? did I miss one? 17:32:19 * nirik fixes 17:32:38 <EvilBob> nirik: while we are on the access list item 17:32:52 <nirik> no, it was just voiced there. 17:32:56 <EvilBob> nirik: nb was given ops in the access list for -social 17:33:27 <nirik> yeah. and the bot. 17:33:36 <EvilBob> Sonar_Gal: You remember the probation bit better than most of us, would this be incorrect he should be on the bot only? 17:33:47 <Sonar_Gal> bot only for 90 days 17:34:02 <Sonar_Gal> Then if he is voted to be a full op after the 90 days 17:34:03 * nirik notes thats no where in our current policies. ;) but I don't care much 17:34:13 <EvilBob> I will vote +1 to agree with Sonar_Gal 17:34:23 <Sonar_Gal> That's what it was before the last write up 17:34:35 <Sonar_Gal> hopefully We can get all that fixed next week 17:34:40 <EvilBob> nirik: lets not get in to the lackings in the "current policies" 17:34:44 <EvilBob> ;) 17:34:50 <nirik> how about we wait on that until we approve the new stuff... 17:34:59 <nirik> then we can also apply it retroactively 17:35:02 <nirik> if we like 17:35:20 <EvilBob> Sonar_Gal: That good with you? 17:35:38 <Sonar_Gal> ok 17:35:53 <EvilBob> I'm cool with that 17:36:02 <nirik> ok, shall we move on then? 17:36:11 <EvilBob> Sorry for adding things to the ticket discussion 17:36:16 <EvilBob> NEXT! 17:36:22 <nirik> 2 more tickets. ;) 17:36:22 <nirik> #topic ticket 110 - Release ban requested for user OzBorne in #fedora 17:36:38 <EvilBob> I am naturally +1 to banning him 17:36:50 <nirik> I would be against the ban if the user would appologize or say they were going to improve or anything really... 17:36:51 <dcr226> EvilBob, that means you are -1 to the ticket 17:37:13 <nirik> he was trying to comment there this morning, but couldn't get logged in. 17:37:15 <EvilBob> nirik: they have done so in the past and gone back on it 17:37:22 <nirik> yep. 17:37:37 <nirik> so, I'm sadly +1 and hope next release they will be better. 17:37:43 <EvilBob> nirik: calling ops from the french channel on the phone is a perfect example 17:37:44 * dcr226 thinks the user isn't currently banned 17:37:55 <N3LRX> he isnt 17:37:55 <nirik> dcr226: they aren't. They had a week and it just expired. 17:37:59 <EvilBob> dcr226: no, the one week ban just expired 17:38:04 <dcr226> ok, let me break this down a sec 17:38:11 <Sonar_Gal> and if it happens they get banned for the remainder of the life cycle 17:38:20 <dcr226> the ticket is to request the removal of a ban, which has actually expired 17:38:22 <Sonar_Gal> He only had a week ban that was lifted this morning 17:38:32 <EvilBob> dcr226: no, it is for a Fedora™ release 17:38:32 <dcr226> so the ticket is null and void, close... WONTFIX 17:38:38 <dcr226> ahhhhh 17:38:50 <dcr226> ok ok, I grokked "Release" as, release the ban 17:38:55 <EvilBob> it is a release ban not a ban release 17:39:00 <nirik> I'll note the first thing they did this morning was to come in and complain about this ticket. 17:39:28 <EvilBob> I'm not sure what they said this morning 17:39:35 <EvilBob> I just know they said it to me 17:39:38 <dcr226> in the interests of "policy", I'm -1 to the ticket...and I'll explain why. The user has just expired a 1 week ban, and hasn't gotten themselves re-banned as yet 17:39:46 <dcr226> my shout would be, the next ban is a release ban 17:39:54 <Sonar_Gal> +1 17:39:56 * dcr226 hopes that made any sort of sense 17:39:58 <EvilBob> dcr226: They were release banned in the past 17:40:17 <EvilBob> It's a "preemptive strike" 17:40:20 <dcr226> yeah 17:40:31 <Sonar_Gal> has happened what 2 or 3 releases now 17:40:32 <dcr226> I'm not sure I'm personally +1 for a pre-empt 17:40:46 <dcr226> but obviously I won't loose sleep over it, just voicing an opinion :) 17:41:10 * nirik is ok either way. I'm sure they will mess up again and get the ban, but if we don't want to wait... 17:41:18 <dcr226> nirik, I agree...it will be within days 17:41:29 <EvilBob> As they said in the movie industry, No redeeming social value, so it gets X and not R 17:41:29 <Khaytsus> We'll leave the rope out for them 17:42:14 <nirik> so... whats the consensus here then? 17:42:24 <EvilBob> So who here is +1 for the ban? 17:42:29 <dcr226> vote tally time :) 17:42:31 * dcr226 -1 17:42:38 <EvilBob> or -1 for not ban (yet) 17:42:38 <nirik> +1 17:42:43 <EvilBob> +1 17:42:44 <Sonar_Gal> -1 let him hang himself again 17:42:56 <dcr226> ooer...deadlock....lets wrestle!! 17:43:06 <Sonar_Gal> Khaytsus, ? 17:43:07 <EvilBob> Fair enough, let him swing 17:43:11 * dcr226 gets his clothes off....ready! 17:43:17 <Khaytsus> +1 why waste our time with it 17:43:24 <dcr226> its gold :) 17:43:31 <LetoTo> blind! 17:43:39 <dcr226> Heh 17:43:40 <EvilBob> at 3-2 we have not reached a "broad consensus" IMO 17:43:48 <dcr226> yep, good for me 17:44:28 <EvilBob> nirik: Add a final warning note to the ticket if you would please. 17:44:32 <nirik> so, close the ticket taking no action? ask for more voting? 17:44:55 <nirik> I can try... I don't suspect they will listen... ;) 17:44:58 <EvilBob> nirik: Just close it, time will handle it I think. 17:45:08 <nirik> ok. 17:45:09 * dcr226 doesn't think it will last long either fwiw 17:45:10 <EvilBob> Listen or not, we documented it 17:45:25 <nirik> #agreed will wait and see if they require more banning for further actions 17:45:32 <nirik> #topic ticket 111 - Improve handling of unregistered users 17:45:42 <nirik> so, I don't think there's much we can do here. 17:45:55 <nirik> technically speaking the ideas aren't really possible. ;( 17:45:55 <dcr226> agreed...close WONTFIX imho 17:45:55 <EvilBob> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/111 17:45:58 <Khaytsus> Can't fix stupid. 17:45:58 <Sonar_Gal> I actuallly helped 2 users get set up this week 17:46:10 <Sonar_Gal> No system is slow also 17:46:14 <EvilBob> Khaytsus: "Here's your sign" 17:46:25 <Sonar_Gal> They don't get the emails as fast as they think they should 17:46:52 <EvilBob> The user that filed the ticket that was not the case however 17:47:00 <Sonar_Gal> Correct 17:47:06 <EvilBob> their client was joining too fast 17:47:08 <Khaytsus> I too get dumped into unreg even with server password AND a delay. Annoys me too. But it's a freenode problem as far as I can tell. Some people have more trouble than others. 17:47:12 <Sonar_Gal> I helped 2 and neither or them filed a ticket 17:47:13 <EvilBob> I helped them with that 17:47:17 <Khaytsus> Can't fix it on our end, and I do _not_ want to remove the +r 17:47:40 <EvilBob> Khaytsus: from the channel topic "Depending on your client "/set irc_join_delay 10" to delay joining 10 seconds" 17:47:41 <nirik> yeah, we have gone over this. 17:47:49 <dcr226> and over.....and over 17:47:58 <EvilBob> nirik: close it "dead horse" 17:48:01 <EvilBob> ;) 17:48:03 <nirik> we could kill the redirect and make people not be able to speak until registered... but then they just get confused 17:48:16 <EvilBob> We need that as a ticket option 17:48:16 <nirik> anyhow, yeah, +1... sorry, not a way to fix. 17:48:22 <nirik> heh 17:48:25 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 17:48:29 <nirik> anything for open floor? 17:48:53 <Sonar_Gal> quick recap 17:48:57 <EvilBob> I really hope to get feedback on the amendment item 17:49:11 <Sonar_Gal> We are going to work on the sig this week. 17:49:18 <Sonar_Gal> Tuesday 17:49:22 <dcr226> hold up...weren't we going to do something with the feedback spammer? 17:49:29 <EvilBob> Yup the "probation" bit 17:49:43 <Sonar_Gal> EvilBob, and a few other things that need to be added 17:49:54 <EvilBob> dcr226: Yeah we were going to drop it two weeks ago IIRC until the release 17:50:05 <EvilBob> Sonar_Gal: Right 17:50:09 <nirik> dcr226: who? 17:50:21 <EvilBob> nirik: fedbot 17:50:22 <nirik> oh yeah. 17:50:24 <dcr226> nirik, the fedbot feedback spammer...we were going to switch it off for a bit 17:50:26 <nirik> we should do that now. 17:50:29 <cyberworm54> hello guys did the meting started yet? 17:50:29 <nirik> I just forgot. 17:50:30 <EvilBob> It's kind of late now 17:50:36 <nirik> cyberworm54: which meeting are you looking for? 17:50:46 <nirik> lets stop it now and turn it on release night eve. 17:50:54 <Sonar_Gal> nirik, +1 17:50:58 <cyberworm54> nirik infrastructure 17:50:58 <EvilBob> nirik: +1 17:51:05 <nirik> cyberworm54: in 9minutes here. 17:51:11 <EvilBob> cyberworm54: no this is the IRC SIG 17:51:12 <nirik> cyberworm54: so you are early. ;) 17:51:13 <cyberworm54> nirik thank you 17:51:30 <EvilBob> Sonar_Gal: back to your recap 17:51:41 <nirik> #agreed will stop feedback now and re-enable before release. 17:51:41 <nirik> Anything else? 17:52:06 <Sonar_Gal> EvilBob, the sig for op's powers 17:52:28 <EvilBob> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/108 Work on this week, vote on Thursday 17:52:35 <Sonar_Gal> correct 17:52:55 <EvilBob> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/107 Vote next week I will work on a wiki page for voting 17:53:15 <EvilBob> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/105 vote on Thursday 17:53:28 <EvilBob> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/112 Handled 17:53:34 <Khaytsus> Gotta run, meeting 17:53:49 <Sonar_Gal> that should cover it 17:53:51 <EvilBob> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/110 Let'em swing 17:54:10 <EvilBob> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/111 Closed, Dead Horse 17:54:18 <EvilBob> Put a bow on it 17:54:33 <Sonar_Gal> yeah 17:54:37 <Sonar_Gal> Lots to do this week 17:54:47 <Sonar_Gal> ok that should cover it 17:54:55 <EvilBob> s/this/every 17:54:57 <EvilBob> ;) 17:54:58 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone! 17:55:01 <nirik> #endmeeting

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[KFI] Rangkuman Meeting 24 May 2012
by Prima Yogi Loviniltra 24 May '12

24 May '12

Hi Semua, Terima kasih kepada teman-teman KPLI Padang, IBT Regional Padang, UNP, UPI & UNAND yang telah bersedia hadir. Rangkuman meeting : Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-id/2012-05-24/fedora-id.2012-05-24-… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-id/2012-05-24/fedora-id.2012-05-24-… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-id/2012-05-24/fedora-id.2012-05-24-… ================== #fedora-id Meeting ================== Meeting started by jurank_dankkal at 13:04:41 UTC. The full logs are available athttp://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-id/2012-05-24/fedora-id.2012-05-2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Rencana FAD Padang (jurank_dankkal, 13:06:07) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD (jurank_dankkal, 13:09:12) * ACTION: Meminta bantuan KPLI Pdg, IBT Pdg & UNP untuk menguruskan tempat FAD (jurank_dankkal, 13:11:14) * ACTION: mencari sponsor tempat acara (jurank_dankkal, 13:19:07) * IDEA: Graha Telkom Sumbar Free untuk acara2 komunitas (jurank_dankkal, 13:22:09) * ACTION: inibudi , arief , blankxys akan membantu menguruskan Graha Telkom untuk FAD (jurank_dankkal, 13:24:54) * fasilitas yang di perlukan, koneksi internet, projector, meja+kursi untuk speaker dan peserta (jurank_dankkal, 13:29:21) * ACTION: betefive, rocketsid , blankxys , inibudi , arief akan mengkonfirmasi secepatnya mengenai gedung FAD (jurank_dankkal, 13:41:41) * Biaya FAD Padang (jurank_dankkal, 13:42:02) * ACTION: acara akan di adakan sekitar bulan agustus, selama satu hari dari jam 10-5, tempat rencana Graha Telkom, UPI, Poltek Unand (jurank_dankkal, 13:55:09) * IDEA: memberikan sertifikat kepada yang mengahadiri FAD (jurank_dankkal, 14:15:24) * ACTION: konsumsi menggunakan katering Arief_ dengan harga Rp20000 per kepala (jurank_dankkal, 14:21:10) * LINK: http://i.imgur.com/in9Lc.jpg (jurank_dankkal, 14:28:16) * IDEA: target peserta 50 orang pertama yang akan mendapatkan snack (jurank_dankkal, 14:42:18) * IDEA: konsumsi cuma buat 50 orang pendatng yg hadir awal, bukan yang register awal (jurank_dankkal, 14:48:01) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/PoloShirt (jurank_dankkal, 15:04:13) * ACTION: budget yang di perlukan untuk saat ini adalah Rp.3.150.000 (jurank_dankkal, 15:23:31) Meeting ended at 15:23:49 UTC. -- *Best Regards,* *PRIMA YOGI LOVINILTRA* Fedora Contributor & Ambassadors *Indonesian guy who live in and love Malaysia* *M: (6)016 640 0385* *W: *http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jurankdankkal* <http://numoss.org/>* *B: **http://yogi.numoss.org/ <http://numoss.org/>* *A: http://about.me/loviniltra* *L: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/prima-yogi-loviniltra/44/517/148<http://about.me/loviniltra> * * This message is a PRIVATE communication. This message and all attachments are a private communication sent by a representative of me and may be confidential or protected by privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the information contained in or attached to this message is strictly prohibited. Please notify the sender of the delivery error by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. Thank you.*

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i18n meeting summary (2012-05-24)
by Akira TAGOH 24 May '12

24 May '12

===================== #fedora-meeting: i18n ===================== Meeting started by tagoh at 05:03:00 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-24/i18n.2012-05-24-… . Meeting summary --------------- * agenda and roll call (tagoh, 05:03:14) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2012-05-24 (tagoh, 05:03:23) * F17 (tagoh, 05:06:40) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=824307 (juhp, 05:12:10) * F18 (tagoh, 05:17:28) * Input Methods (tagoh, 05:26:42) * LINK: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2012-May/msg00286.html (fujiwarat, 05:33:20) * Fonts and Rendering (tagoh, 05:50:09) * Open Floor (tagoh, 05:53:59) Meeting ended at 05:57:07 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tagoh (51) * epico_laptop (21) * juhp (12) * anish_ (10) * fujiwarat (8) * zodbot (3) * dueno (2) * paragan (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Summary/Minutes from today's EPEL sig meeting (2012-05-23 22:00 UTC)
by Kevin Fenzi 23 May '12

23 May '12

==================================== #fedora-meeting-1: EPEL (2012-05-23) ==================================== Meeting started by nirik at 22:12:26 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-05-23/epel.2012-05-2… . Meeting summary --------------- * init process/agenda (nirik, 22:12:27) * RHEL overlaps (nirik, 22:13:35) * LINK: http://skvidal.fedorapeople.org/misc/epel-clashes/ (nirik, 22:14:26) * LINK: http://skvidal.fedorapeople.org/misc/epel-clashes/epel-x86_64-clashes (nirik, 22:39:54) * LINK: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taginfo?tagID=140 (nirik, 22:56:31) * Open Floor (nirik, 22:56:51) Meeting ended at 22:57:40 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (86) * dgilmore (34) * stahnma (33) * smooge (23) * abadger1999 (11) * rbergeron (7) * zodbot (4) * NiveusLuna (3) * ktdreyer (2) * misc (2) * maxamillion (1) * tremble (0) -- 22:12:26 <nirik> #startmeeting EPEL (2012-05-23) 22:12:27 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed May 23 22:12:26 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:12:27 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 22:12:27 <nirik> #meetingname epel 22:12:27 <nirik> #topic init process/agenda 22:12:27 <nirik> #chair smooge tremble 22:12:27 <nirik> EPEL meeting ping abadger1999 rsc stahnma tremble dgilmore smooge nb maxamillion tremble Jeff_S HackMan 22:12:27 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel' 22:12:27 <zodbot> Current chairs: nirik smooge tremble 22:12:34 <nirik> ok look, more meetings. 22:12:38 <nirik> see how productive we are. ;) 22:12:43 <abadger1999> hello goodbye. goodbye hello :-) 22:12:48 <nirik> quite 22:12:52 <maxamillion> o hai 22:12:54 <dgilmore> gday 22:12:59 <NiveusLuna> fancy seeing you all here 22:13:06 <nirik> anyhow, as I was saying... I will get the script setup somewhere and anyone who cares to poke at it can do so. 22:13:30 <nirik> ok, moving along. 22:13:35 <nirik> #topic RHEL overlaps 22:14:11 <nirik> ok, skvidal and smooge worked on coming up with a list of where we overlap with RHEL. 22:14:14 * stahnma strongly oppose pulling puppet+rubygems from EPEL 22:14:26 <nirik> http://skvidal.fedorapeople.org/misc/epel-clashes/ 22:14:44 <nirik> so, first the easy thing that I think we can all agree on: 22:14:50 <stahnma> (disclosure: I work at Puppet Labs) 22:14:51 <nirik> we should fix the overlaps in os/optional. 22:15:11 <nirik> and document the packages we are shipping due to arch needs. 22:15:11 * rbergeron pops in 22:15:33 <nirik> hey smooge and rbergeron 22:15:40 <smooge> sorry missed the transition.. was reading bjs's latest email 22:15:45 <smooge> and not replying anymore 22:16:10 * dgilmore thinks that unless a layered product asks us to remove packages they ship they should remain in epel 22:16:12 <nirik> yeah, so I was saying that we need to fix the overlaps in os/optional. Does anyone disagree with that? 22:16:26 <dgilmore> nirik: no that needs fixed 22:16:28 <smooge> no i think those should get pulled. 22:16:51 <nirik> and we need to document the ones we are shipping for special arch needs that fit into that bucket. 22:16:51 <stahnma> +1 22:16:58 <smooge> dgilmore, what steps would I need to put in something in various trees to help make sure it doesn't happen again 22:16:58 <dgilmore> nirik: anything thats in the channels we use to populate the buildroots should not be replaced 22:17:00 <stahnma> that's been how it worked since EL6 shipped 22:17:03 <abadger1999> +1 22:17:22 <nirik> dgilmore: right. Unless we are allowing it because we need it for 32bit. 22:17:33 <dgilmore> nirik: absolutly 22:17:35 <smooge> eg something like branch glibc/el6 and put a dead.package in it? 22:18:09 <nirik> for preventing, I think perhaps we could try and get RHEL folks to be better about letting us know when something is added? 22:18:13 <nirik> so we can remove it... 22:18:22 <nirik> it's not like it happens all the time, only at releases... 22:18:31 <smooge> basically if there are steps needed to block builds I cand do so to take it off of someones list 22:18:31 <dgilmore> smooge: ideally we have some kind of api we can query when making epel branches that can tell us if its in rhel or not 22:18:44 <smooge> dgilmore, ah ok 22:18:50 <nirik> dgilmore: that would be nice too. 22:18:53 <dgilmore> smooge: then we can also periodically query it to see if things have been added we need to remove 22:19:30 <dgilmore> smooge: base os in there checklists they have steps to check with epel and communicate to epel maintainers 22:19:49 <dgilmore> but layered producst dont have the same things 22:20:12 <dgilmore> im starting some discussions to make sure layered products consider epel in the work they do 22:20:28 <nirik> so, I can try and work on the os/optional overlaps... does anyone else want to help out? if so, we might be able to make short work of it... 22:20:37 <nirik> dgilmore: excellent. 22:20:39 <ktdreyer> dgilmore: that's great 22:20:59 <smooge> well I have a list of the base os overlap already 22:21:06 <stahnma> we've been trying to get the RHEL developers to let us know when stuff changes since the inception of EPEL, and I think that's happened in very minimal ways only 22:21:24 <stahnma> the only communication I ever saw was when RHEL6 was close to shipping, and told us what to pull 22:21:26 <nirik> smooge: yeah, skvidals list is good there, but we still have to check each one and see if we are shipping it for the 32bit 22:21:39 <dgilmore> stahnma: with rhel6 they are supposed to do it, it is in the list of tasks when adding a package 22:21:55 <smooge> well actually I was going to say.. just compare the overlap in i386 channels. If it overlaps there it is a problem. 22:22:01 <stahnma> dgilmore: cool. So the layered product are not that way? 22:22:11 <nirik> smooge: yeah. 22:22:19 <smooge> that is the list I had done. 22:22:32 <nirik> smooge: do you have that list handy? 22:22:41 <dgilmore> stahnma: no they are not 22:22:53 <stahnma> dgilmore: ok 22:22:57 <dgilmore> stahnma: im starting on a path to fix that 22:23:16 <nirik> I see 11 packages in base. 22:23:21 <stahnma> well, if we pulled things that some of the layered products use from EPEL, I would find EPEL infinitely less helpful 22:23:41 <NiveusLuna> just to clarify: what are layered products? 22:24:01 <nirik> I see 30ish some in optional, and most of those are perl packages. 22:24:01 <smooge> nirik, http://fpaste.org/aMAM/ 22:25:25 <nirik> right, ok. 22:25:31 <dgilmore> NiveusLuna: layerd products are things that Red Hat ships that are add on things, Satellite is one for instance 22:25:33 <nirik> we can work on nuking those and blocking them. 22:25:50 <misc> NiveusLuna: or directory server, iirc 22:25:56 <dgilmore> nirik: i bet most/all of the perl ones are because they ship on x86_64 only 22:26:14 <nirik> dgilmore: well, perhaps they once did, but they also overlap in 32bit too. 22:26:18 <smooge> dgilmore, those perl ones are in the i386 channel now 22:26:18 <nirik> now at least 22:26:44 <misc> NiveusLuna: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux#What.27s_the_differ… 22:26:50 <nirik> NiveusLuna: stuff under: ftp.redhat.com:/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/6Server/en 22:27:34 <nirik> so, our current policy is: 22:27:46 <nirik> " "EPEL6 will not ship any packages that have src.rpms on public mirrors under 6* directories with the following exception: If the binary rpm is only shipped in some arches in RHEL, EPEL may ship a package as close as possible to the RHEL version with a leading package Release of 0. (ie, libfoo-1.2-0.x) (note that EPEL maintainer must keep up exactly with the RHEL src.rpm where possible)." 22:28:27 <nirik> so, how would people want to amend that? 22:28:38 <nirik> if we don't amend it, it means removing a great deal of stuff from EPEL. 22:29:39 <nirik> I'll note that we have overlapped with some of those channels for quite a while... and have heard not much feedback about it. 22:30:09 <smooge> I would like to amend it to enterprise/6*/en/os/ 22:30:10 <nirik> the discussion on the list started with glusterfs. 22:30:28 <dgilmore> nirik: maybe add that if a package ships in a layered product we will removeit if asked to but otherwise its ok, ideally shipping with the same or a lower nvr than shipped in RHN 22:30:35 <nirik> but it turns out the RHS channel glusterfs is in is pretty obscure... 22:30:43 <stahnma> and then I think z00dax said they would just move gluster into centos-plus or something? 22:31:01 <stahnma> what will happen is if EPEL pulls the software people want, another repo will put it in 22:31:09 <stahnma> making the EL world less fun to deal with all the way around 22:31:15 <ktdreyer> stahnma: agreed 22:31:23 <rbergeron> stahnma: yup 22:31:40 <nirik> well, ideally we want to not mess up anyone... 22:32:13 <nirik> including: other oses that use epel and have no layered products and rhel customers who do use layered products 22:32:16 <stahnma> the easiest technical solution would be to have the RH layered products use same versions we ship in EPEL, but I realize that's a bit backwards for the flow 22:32:54 <NiveusLuna> at the same time, the more that's in epel, the less people think they have to use repos that aren't up to our standards 22:32:55 <stahnma> and/or not charge for layered products; but I imagine that is combative with business goals somewhere 22:33:16 <nirik> some of the channels seem very specific to me... and I am having trouble seeing where someone would enable epel on a appliance like thing that uses that specific channel. 22:33:30 <stahnma> nirik: nod 22:33:40 <dgilmore> nirik: i dont think they would 22:33:44 <smooge> and if they do, well they loaded the gun and aimed at their foot. 22:33:46 <nirik> ie, if you are running a Red Hat storage appliance, why would you enable epel on it, it does one thing... 22:33:56 <nirik> or a cloud controller node 22:33:57 <stahnma> there are also cases where tools are used to do setup, but not actually what Red Hat is saying is the value-prop 22:34:08 <stahnma> e.g. MRG using Puppet to set things up (if it still works that way) 22:34:09 <nirik> but I could well be missing use cases. 22:34:59 <stahnma> if we pull nothing, will it encourage collaboration between RH product groups and EPEL maintainers? 22:35:09 <rbergeron> I would expect that there are other projects that use puppet that would be adversely affected. 22:35:33 <stahnma> rbergeron: I would agree =) 22:35:46 <stahnma> on the upside, I would lose like 60 packages that I maintain 22:35:54 <nirik> there are other things too that are popular... mogodb, etc. 22:36:07 <stahnma> yeah, mongo seems again seems somewhat general purpose 22:36:14 <rbergeron> mmhmm 22:36:46 <smooge> ruby-augeus would pull out all the other configuration management tools 22:36:59 <nirik> so the most difficult one I see is the cloudforms channel. 22:37:13 <nirik> as a loophole, I note they only ship 64bit. ;) 22:37:28 <stahnma> having split arch on that stuff isn't fun 22:37:36 <stahnma> esepcially since many of those packages are actually noarch 22:37:41 <nirik> yep. 22:39:19 <rbergeron> what stuff from cloudforms is in epel other than puppet? 22:39:31 <rbergeron> it seems like a crock to have to remove it when aeolus isn't even in EPEL 22:39:39 <nirik> proposal: EPEL6 will not ship any packages that have src.rpms under enterprise/6*/en/os/ with an exception for packages not shipped on one arch. Channels under enterprise/6/en/ may request EPEL remove any overlaping packages, and may be queried by EPEL about such overlaps from time to time. 22:39:41 <rbergeron> unless it used to be and is now disappeared since a few days ago :) 22:39:54 <nirik> http://skvidal.fedorapeople.org/misc/epel-clashes/epel-x86_64-clashes 22:40:10 <nirik> looks at the rhel-x86_64-server-6-cf-ce-1 section 22:41:08 <smooge> rbergeron, many of the items that puppet depends on to work are also used by other configuration management tools either directly or indirectly. Doing a loop of requires grows out to a LOT of packages 22:41:52 <stahnma> yeah, the rubygem stuff is more than half the reason I use EPEL (and maintain those packages) 22:42:22 <nirik> perhaps before deciding anything we could try and open a dialog with those channel owners... 22:42:29 <nirik> ask them what they want us to do... 22:42:58 <nirik> because if the use case doesn't make sense for epel being enabled, they may well not care about overlaps on specific targeted channels. 22:43:07 <stahnma> true 22:43:30 <dgilmore> nirik: i have started a dialog 22:43:38 * nirik is also not sure what makes a channel appear as a src.rpm download on ftp.redhat.com... 22:43:44 <nirik> dgilmore: cool. thanks. 22:43:49 <abadger1999> smooge: Errr --- wouldn't we start building with those layered products repos as part of our epel builder repos? 22:44:16 <abadger1999> (If we don't decided to exclude layered products from our no-overlap policy by default) 22:44:44 <smooge> abadger1999, we may not have access to them 22:44:47 <nirik> abadger1999: we could I suppose. Note that some of them also overlap with base os I think in some places. 22:45:04 <smooge> and our users wouldn't so if they could not download the repository would be broken for them 22:45:15 <abadger1999> smooge: If we don't have access ot them, then it seems like a bo brainer that we can't do a no-conflicts policy with them. 22:45:21 <abadger1999> *no brainer 22:45:46 <nirik> I think we could enable them. I'd just rather not. 22:45:53 <smooge> except their src.rpms are in the sub-trees we said we were going to not conflict with. 22:45:57 <abadger1999> smooge: yeah, there is that other aspect too :-) 22:46:02 <dgilmore> some of the layered products are designed to be standalone and you dont get support mixing and matching 22:46:12 <dgilmore> those we should not worry about 22:46:24 <nirik> so for example, we could drop mongodb because it overlaps, and add that channel so we could build against/use it, but that leaves all the epel consumers in the cold. 22:47:18 <dgilmore> nirik: down the road we may have a different answer 22:47:28 <dgilmore> not sure how much of it i can talk about 22:47:38 <nirik> ok. 22:47:57 <abadger1999> <nod> unless centos-plus pick it up or we decide to do a secondary repo ourselves... I don't know if centos-plus is intended to work with RHEL as well as with centos, though. 22:48:03 <nirik> in the mean time I don't know how much we want to decide today. I think we might want to collect more data... 22:48:49 <nirik> oh man, I just thought of something... 22:48:50 * abadger1999 is generally in favor of the proposal to restrict the products that we check for conflicts. 22:48:56 <stahnma> +1 22:49:18 <nirik> abadger1999: to base os/optional? 22:49:30 <stahnma> that's what seems logical to me 22:50:00 <abadger1999> nirik: that seems like a good semi-historical dividing line. don't know if there's other sane dividing lines as well. 22:50:11 <abadger1999> or if we care to look for other possible lines :-) 22:50:21 <dgilmore> nirik: sounds ok to me. what did you think of? 22:50:24 <nirik> well, in rhel5, we used "advanced platform" which was more stuff/channels. 22:51:22 <nirik> smooge: we also need to look at ppc64. ;) 22:51:34 <smooge> I did.. very few overlaps 22:51:37 <dgilmore> nirik: right but that doesnt exist in el6 22:51:48 <nirik> smooge: xerces-c is one. 22:51:59 <dgilmore> a lot of layered products dont support ppc64 22:52:01 <nirik> it doesn't exist in rhel ppc64. 22:52:18 <nirik> sure, I am talking baseos/optional. 22:52:52 <dgilmore> right 22:53:21 <nirik> ok, so back to the question, do we want to vote on/or agree we have consensus on only avoiding conflict with base os/optional? 22:53:34 <nirik> or wait a week and get more feedback from channel owners, etc? 22:53:41 <stahnma> I like the proposal and will vote for it ;) 22:54:00 <dgilmore> i think baseos/optional ha/lb that we build against are good lines in the sand 22:54:10 <dgilmore> lets get some feedback 22:54:22 * nirik thinks there's at least one person on the list who will hate that, but hard to say. ;) 22:54:45 * nirik is fine with feedback for a week. 22:55:09 <dgilmore> nirik: afaik no one on the list are channel owners 22:55:11 <stahnma> is this the time we're using from now on? 22:55:17 <smooge> dgilmore, ha/lb? 22:55:22 <stahnma> I just note that our european friends probably hate this time... 22:55:26 <nirik> dgilmore: yeah. 22:55:38 <nirik> well, famsco apparently has the main meeting channel at this time. 22:55:45 <dgilmore> smooge: high availablinty and load balancing i believe, they are what we use to populate the build roots 22:55:49 <nirik> I'm open to other times... wed and friday are mostly non meeting days for me... 22:56:07 <smooge> dgilmore, ah sorry was thinking half pound for some reason 22:56:09 * dgilmore would like to avoid fridays 22:56:18 <stahnma> arlight, discuss timing on list? 22:56:24 <dgilmore> probably best 22:56:26 * stahnma has a hard stop at top of the hour 22:56:31 <nirik> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taginfo?tagID=140 22:56:44 <nirik> we can... I got crickets last time I tried, but we can try again. 22:56:51 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 22:56:51 <dgilmore> stahnma: ok, we should start to wrap up 22:57:00 <nirik> any open floor items or shall we close out? 22:57:17 * dgilmore has nothing 22:57:20 <smooge> has nothing. 22:57:23 * stahnma nothing 22:57:37 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone! 22:57:40 <nirik> #endmeeting

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Fedora ARM weekly meeting minutes 2012-05-23
by Paul Whalen 23 May '12

23 May '12

Good day all, Thanks to those who were able to join us for the weekly status meeting today. For those that were unable, the minutes are posted below: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-05-23/fedora-meeting… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-05-23/fedora-meeting… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-05-23/fedora-meeting… Paul

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FUDCon Lawrence meeting minutes for May 22, 2012
by Ian Weller 23 May '12

23 May '12

Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-22/fedora-meeting.2… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-22/fedora-meeting.2… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-22/fedora-meeting.2… Next meeting is May 29, 22:00 UTC. -- Ian Weller <ian(a)ianweller.org>

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