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Cloud SIG Meeting Minutes :: 2012-05-11
by Robyn Bergeron 11 May '12

11 May '12

Happy friday. Thanks for coming! :) -robyn Cloud SIG Meeting Minutes 2012-05-11 Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-11/cloud_sig.2012-0… Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-11/cloud_sig.2012-0… ========================== #fedora-meeting: Cloud SIG ========================== Meeting started by rbergeron at 19:00:40 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-11/cloud_sig.2012-0… . Meeting summary --------------- * HULLO, MAH CLOUDIES (rbergeron, 19:00:57) * present: rbergeron agrimm gholms sdake gregdek jsmith rackerhacker tdawson (rbergeron, 19:01:36) * OpenShift Origin (rbergeron, 19:02:41) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenShift_Origin (tdawson, 19:03:43) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OpenShift_Origin (tdawson, 19:03:51) * We have a wiki page *AND* a feature page for F18 for OpenShift Origin. (rbergeron, 19:04:08) * Lots of packages - everything is in github, including rpm specs, so it is possible for people to grab a package if they'd like. (rbergeron, 19:08:44) * ACTION: sdake to help out tdawson with sponsorship, tdawson to mail sdake (rbergeron, 19:12:05) * Eucalyptus (rbergeron, 19:18:07) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OVirtPackaging (rbergeron, 19:22:20) * ACTION: rbergeron to check in with ovirt folks on gwt packaging (rbergeron, 19:22:54) * CloudStack (rbergeron, 19:24:23) * OpenStack (rbergeron, 19:28:15) * Here a stack, there a stack, there an open, mooooooooooo (rbergeron, 19:28:26) * LINK: http://wiki.openstack.org/PKI (ayoung, 19:30:43) * Open Floor (rbergeron, 19:42:39) * glusterFS license has changed! now LGPLv3+ or GPLv2. The idea is to facilitate people writing translators, which they're actually starting to do. (rbergeron, 19:48:35) * Heat project - AWS Cloudformation analog - tldr version is we take a template and turn it into a running cloud application on openstack environments (rbergeron, 19:49:29) * LINK: http://www.heat-api.org (rbergeron, 19:49:40) * in #heat on freenode (rbergeron, 19:49:44) * Garrett is now on the Fedora Board, because he is excellent. :) (rbergeron, 19:52:34) Meeting ended at 19:54:17 UTC. Action Items ------------ * sdake to help out tdawson with sponsorship, tdawson to mail sdake * rbergeron to check in with ovirt folks on gwt packaging Action Items, by person ----------------------- * rbergeron * rbergeron to check in with ovirt folks on gwt packaging * sdake * sdake to help out tdawson with sponsorship, tdawson to mail sdake * tdawson * sdake to help out tdawson with sponsorship, tdawson to mail sdake * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * rbergeron (117) * ayoung (23) * tdawson (21) * mgoldmann (14) * agrimm (13) * sdake (10) * rackerhacker (9) * gholms (8) * zodbot (5) * ke4qqq (5) * gregdek (5) * jdarcy (5) * mestery (4) * jsmith (2) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2012-05-10 at 18UTC)
by Kevin Fenzi 10 May '12

10 May '12

============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2012-05-10) ============================================ Meeting started by nirik at 18:00:56 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-10/infrastructure.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Robot Roll Call (nirik, 18:00:56) * New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. (nirik, 18:03:00) * two factor auth status (nirik, 18:08:13) * pam_url is nearly ready to package up and use. (nirik, 18:11:17) * LINK: https://github.com/mricon/totp-cgi <- url for cgi (nirik, 18:11:53) * Staging re-work status (nirik, 18:14:49) * done! (nirik, 18:14:57) * Applications status / discussion (nirik, 18:15:43) * will coordinate app01.dev re-install. (nirik, 18:22:10) * Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 18:37:21) * 2012-05-08 to 2012-05-22 FINAL FREEZE (nirik, 18:37:36) * 2012-05-10 - drop inactive fi-apprentices (nirik, 18:37:36) * 2012-05-11 - Skvidal out. (nirik, 18:37:36) * 2012-05-22 - F17 release (nirik, 18:37:36) * 2012-06-01 - nag fi-apprentices. (nirik, 18:37:36) * 2011-06-03 - gitweb-cache removal day. (nirik, 18:37:36) * 2012-06-08 OOW: osuosl01.fedoraproject.org (nirik, 18:37:38) * 2012-06-17 OOW: sign-vault02.phx2.fedoraproject.org (nirik, 18:37:41) * 2012-06-21 to 2012-07-04 Kevin is off on trains and boats. (nirik, 18:37:42) * FTBFS run starting on buildvm05-08 and 02. (nirik, 18:41:12) * Open Floor (nirik, 18:43:11) * ansible is in fedora/epel, please play with it. (nirik, 18:45:32) Meeting ended at 18:47:52 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (94) * skvidal (50) * abadger1999 (33) * lmacken (26) * wolfkit (9) * Neldogz (9) * threebean (7) * jds2001 (7) * smooge (5) * zodbot (4) * whiterhino (3) * relrod (3) * herlo (2) * SilentBob (1) * dgilmore (1) * ricky (0) * mdomsch (0) * CodeBlock (0) -- 18:00:56 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2012-05-10) 18:00:56 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu May 10 18:00:56 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:56 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:56 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 18:00:56 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 18:00:56 <nirik> #topic Robot Roll Call 18:00:56 <nirik> #chair smooge skvidal CodeBlock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean 18:00:56 <zodbot> Current chairs: CodeBlock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky skvidal smooge threebean 18:01:01 * relrod here 18:01:02 * skvidal is here 18:01:04 * abadger1999 here 18:01:08 * wolfkit is here 18:01:08 <smooge> crrowbot here 18:01:12 * lmacken 18:01:15 <dgilmore> hola 18:01:20 * jds2001 18:01:21 <Neldogz> neldogz is here 18:01:42 <herlo> here 18:02:07 * nirik waves 18:02:13 * SilentBob is here 18:03:00 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. 18:03:00 <nirik> If any new folks want to give a quick one line bio or any apprentices 18:03:00 <nirik> would like to ask general questions, they can do so now. Anyone? 18:03:36 * nirik waits a min for any apprentices 18:03:49 <Neldogz> Sure, I can start.. I am new here , have about 10 years of general IT experience, strong within the server and networking side 18:04:19 <nirik> welcome Neldogz. You interested in sysadmin type stuff? or application development? 18:04:50 <Neldogz> thank you nirik, I am mostly interested in sysadmin work. monitoring, patching, fixing issues 18:05:09 <skvidal> Neldogz: which monitoring frameworks have you used? 18:05:13 <nirik> great. see me in #fedora-admin after the meeting and we can see about setting you up. 18:05:29 <skvidal> (yah - what nirik said) :) 18:05:42 <Neldogz> will do! skvidal, i have used PRTG and HP SIM for monitoring 18:05:53 <Neldogz> I am also currently learning Nagios 18:06:01 <nirik> any other new folks? or apprentices wanting to talk about tasks? 18:06:10 <whiterhino> I am new as well and about the same stats are Neldogz and would also like to get more involved in the system admin side 18:06:38 <nirik> welcome whiterhino 18:07:09 <whiterhino> I have used PRTG and nagios in the past, I currently use icinga and cacti 18:07:12 <whiterhino> thanks 18:07:40 <nirik> we use nagios here... and it needs some rework that various people have looked into. ;) 18:08:06 <nirik> anyhow, moving along. 18:08:13 <nirik> #topic two factor auth status 18:08:21 <nirik> I think we have some movement in this this week? 18:08:27 <wolfkit> this is coming along quite nicely :) 18:08:44 <wolfkit> I have the pam_url module escaping usernames and passwords, and has been committed to the pam_url source tree 18:08:52 <nirik> excellent. 18:08:58 <wolfkit> there is an odd segfault on 64-bit machines with it.. but I'm still looking in to that 18:09:24 <nirik> wolfkit: would you be willing also to package it up for Fedora/RHEL? 18:09:49 <wolfkit> hehe, kind of one step ahead of you, was playing around with a Fedora package for it last night :) 18:10:00 <wolfkit> haven't tested it on RHEL, can do though 18:10:06 <nirik> cool. I would be happy to review if you like. 18:10:26 <nirik> I think the cgi side also had a bunch of work this week.. 18:10:33 <wolfkit> great! will file a ticket when it is ready 18:11:07 <skvidal> and some more items 18:11:07 <nirik> thanks 18:11:13 <skvidal> mricon did new patches to the totp cgi 18:11:17 <nirik> #info pam_url is nearly ready to package up and use. 18:11:18 <skvidal> that does the checking of the keys 18:11:32 <skvidal> specifically he added an 'encrypt the seed with the users passphrase/pin' 18:11:53 <nirik> https://github.com/mricon/totp-cgi <- url for cgi 18:11:54 <skvidal> so the user can have the opened seed on their end - but we only have the one encrypted with their pin/passphrase 18:12:11 <skvidal> this means we never have any unencrypted goo sitting on our system somewhere 18:12:25 <skvidal> now a user could get compromised, of course 18:12:32 <skvidal> but that just gives them one key 18:12:34 <skvidal> not all of them 18:12:38 <skvidal> s/key/seed/ 18:12:43 <nirik> great. 18:12:56 <skvidal> it is terribly neat, actuall 18:12:56 <skvidal> y 18:13:19 <nirik> provided the pins aren't easily brute forceable... ie, not like 4 char number only. 18:13:55 <nirik> ok, anything else on this? or shall we move on? 18:14:14 <skvidal> that's it 18:14:23 <skvidal> nirik: I think the pins can be whatever... 18:14:40 <nirik> yeah, so we can make it something reasonable (although I don't think they need as much as passwords) 18:14:46 <skvidal> agreed 18:14:47 <nirik> anyhow, moving along... 18:14:49 <nirik> #topic Staging re-work status 18:14:50 <skvidal> nod 18:14:53 <nirik> this is done! 18:14:57 <nirik> #info done! 18:15:05 <skvidal> yay! 18:15:06 <abadger1999> Cool! 18:15:09 <skvidal> and there was much rejoicin 18:15:11 <herlo> +1 18:15:11 <wolfkit> awesome :D 18:15:12 <nirik> let me know if you run into any problems with staging in the new world order. 18:15:43 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 18:15:58 <nirik> any applications news this week? abadger1999 / lmacken / threebean / pingou / CodeBlock 18:16:22 <lmacken> not really, just a lot of bodhi2.0 hacking. 18:16:33 <lmacken> I still need to find a couple of hours to wrap up the packages/tagger deployment 18:16:52 <abadger1999> none from me 18:16:53 <nirik> lmacken: cool. We should still setup a meeting sometime for 2.0 discussions... perhaps after f17 goes gold... 18:17:25 <lmacken> nirik: sounds good 18:18:06 <threebean> nothing major new with messaging. lots of package reviews (almost done!) 18:18:16 <nirik> oh, I'll note that now in staging we no longer have a rhel5 host... but the only rhel5 thing we have left is app07 to run old community. 18:18:29 <nirik> so, hopefully that can putter along until we retire it. 18:18:29 <skvidal> yay for no rhel5! 18:18:36 <lmacken> no more py2.4 :) 18:19:22 <lmacken> sadly, 2.6 is already feeling old :( 18:19:34 <nirik> I think bapp01 and xen04 (soon to be stopped) and app07 are all we have left now. so, thats good. 18:20:16 <abadger1999> (community and smolt's cron job) 18:20:29 <nirik> oh, and app01.dev I guess... 18:20:33 <nirik> we need to redo that sometime. 18:20:46 * relrod can do that, just let me know when is good 18:21:03 <nirik> I think there's some active development going on on it... but I could be wrong... abadger1999 ? 18:21:04 <smooge> lmacken, its ok.. we can move to 2.8 when it comes out 18:21:15 <abadger1999> yeah 18:21:38 <abadger1999> relrod: I'll have to coordinate that -- backup stuff and put on the new hosts 18:22:04 <abadger1999> relrod: I'd also like to split it into two hosts -- a fas-development server (for developing fas, not a fas for the dev env) 18:22:10 <nirik> #info will coordinate app01.dev re-install. 18:22:10 <abadger1999> relrod: and a pkgdb development server. 18:22:24 <threebean> lmacken: we might think about building bodhi2 on py3. pyramid is already compatible (and mako and sqlalchemy). 18:22:32 <abadger1999> relrod: But if you wanted to create the new hosts.. I could just start moving the code over? 18:22:54 <relrod> abadger1999: Sounds good. Will start on that tonight after finals or tomorrow. 18:22:54 <lmacken> threebean: good call, I'll create a py3 virtualenv for my local development. 18:23:00 <abadger1999> relrod: Cool. 18:23:19 <abadger1999> uhhh... 18:23:24 <nirik> is there a python3 in rhel/epel6? 18:23:29 <lmacken> yup 18:23:29 <abadger1999> Not sure if I'd support that unless 18:23:34 <threebean> :D 18:23:44 <abadger1999> we do something about the py3 version in RHEL5/6 vs Fedora 18:23:47 <abadger1999> err 18:23:54 <abadger1999> just epel6 18:24:16 <abadger1999> unles dmalcolm already updated? 18:24:19 * nirik doesn't see it. 18:24:27 * abadger1999 checks whats available 18:24:37 * abadger1999 doesn't either 18:24:53 <abadger1999> so... we'd need a whole new stack of deps... 18:25:01 <lmacken> I think he's working on it 18:25:04 <abadger1999> lots of packaging work if you want to go that route. 18:25:07 <lmacken> and yeah, it'll require a lot of packaging tweaks 18:25:12 <lmacken> but, inevitable tweaks. 18:25:14 <abadger1999> most spec files will have conditionals 18:25:31 <abadger1999> should be reasonable to get those changed. 18:26:08 <abadger1999> and since it's not in yet, you won't have to worry about it being a really old version of py3 18:26:10 <nirik> how do things like mod_wsgi handle multiple python versions? 18:26:29 <abadger1999> otoh... it does mean that we'll have to support both py2 and py3. 18:26:34 <abadger1999> nirik: They don't 18:26:42 <abadger1999> so we'd need two sets of app servers too.... 18:26:51 <nirik> yeah, so we would need more servers... 18:26:51 <nirik> yeah 18:26:56 <abadger1999> logisitcs of this seems more and more suspect. 18:27:03 <lmacken> yeah, true :) 18:27:08 <jds2001> why two sets? 18:27:16 <jds2001> instead of two instances? 18:27:23 <abadger1999> jds2001: TG1 and TG2 will never be able to shift over to python3 18:27:31 <abadger1999> because some of there deps are never going to port. 18:27:35 <nirik> jds2001: you mean multiple httpds? 18:27:39 <wolfkit> perhaps not necessarily building bodhi2 specifically for py3, but testing on py3 to ensure it's working / compatible with it for a later deployment? 18:27:40 <jds2001> nirik: yeah 18:27:44 <threebean> lmacken: build it with python-six so bodhi2 can run on py3 someday... someday. 18:27:47 <threebean> wolfkit: yeah 18:27:56 <lmacken> threebean: yeah, python-six is probably the way to go 18:28:06 <abadger1999> so until all of those are ported to different toolkits, we'd need to support modules for python2 and modules for python3. 18:28:15 <nirik> I suppose that could work, but it's always a bit odd to do that... ie, never know which server restarts when you do a restart, etc. 18:28:15 <abadger1999> <nod> 18:28:51 <abadger1999> threebean: six +1... That could be a good way forward -- also the next py3 release will make u"string" valid again 18:28:54 <abadger1999> so that will help 18:29:15 <threebean> :) 18:29:18 <jds2001> nirik: many moons ago at my previous job, I'd ran 20+ httpd instances on one box. 18:29:25 <nirik> crazy. ;) 18:29:30 <jds2001> and could restart each independently :) 18:29:38 <nirik> anyhow, worth investigating... we don't have to decide now. 18:29:46 <nirik> any other application news? 18:29:50 <lmacken> speakin of mod_wsgi, I've been pinging upstream about my hash seed patch. dead air :( 18:30:09 <lmacken> in the mean time, we could potentially do the apache init script hack to enable hash seed randomization 18:30:27 <lmacken> or, we could ship a custom mod_wsgi with my patch 18:30:55 * lmacken looks to see if our python in production already supports it 18:31:03 <nirik> probibly the init script hack would be easier as a hotfix... custom mod_wsgi would require us to keep on our toes updating. 18:31:10 <lmacken> yep 18:31:22 <nirik> but also note that we are in freeze... so we need to be careful what we change 18:31:25 <lmacken> I already put the diff for that init script patch in the trac ticket 18:31:35 <lmacken> yeah, probably will have to wait in that case 18:32:01 <nirik> ok. 18:32:03 <threebean> oh -- ryansb contributed an ircbot for fedmsg. fun! 18:32:28 <nirik> cool.... irc message busing. ;) 18:32:55 <lmacken> yeah, our python already supports -R... should be simple to enable it for our apps. 18:33:13 <nirik> excellent. 18:33:15 <lmacken> (even though there is a bug in the python hash randomization http://bugs.python.org/issue14621) 18:33:35 <lmacken> I doubt any of our apps rely on dict ordering, but we'll still want to test everything in staging first 18:34:18 <nirik> yeah, perhaps we could do that soon and deploy after freeze... or if it looks fine, just do a freeze break and push it out. 18:34:22 <lmacken> my init script patch is here: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3169 18:35:08 <nirik> yeah 18:35:22 <lmacken> oh wait, I was looking at the wrong python... looks like we don't have the patch in production 18:35:35 <nirik> ah, ;( 18:35:50 <lmacken> hopefully a yum update should pull it in though... not positive 18:36:03 <nirik> I thought I saw that update go by 18:36:23 <nirik> but I guess not 18:36:51 <nirik> lets discuss further outside of meeting I guess. I can look into where that update is. 18:37:01 <nirik> moving along... 18:37:21 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 18:37:36 <nirik> #info 2012-05-08 to 2012-05-22 FINAL FREEZE 18:37:36 <nirik> #info 2012-05-10 - drop inactive fi-apprentices 18:37:36 <nirik> #info 2012-05-11 - Skvidal out. 18:37:36 <nirik> #info 2012-05-22 - F17 release 18:37:36 <nirik> #info 2012-06-01 - nag fi-apprentices. 18:37:36 <nirik> #info 2011-06-03 - gitweb-cache removal day. 18:37:38 <nirik> #info 2012-06-08 OOW: osuosl01.fedoraproject.org 18:37:41 <nirik> #info 2012-06-17 OOW: sign-vault02.phx2.fedoraproject.org 18:37:42 <nirik> #info 2012-06-21 to 2012-07-04 Kevin is off on trains and boats. 18:37:44 <nirik> thats what I have for upcoming. 18:37:59 <nirik> anyone want to schedule something or note some upcoming task/work? 18:38:06 <skvidal> I'll note something 18:38:28 <skvidal> I am getting buildvm-05 - 08 setup today - and I will be starting a ftbfs run on them 18:38:40 <skvidal> I'll be basing the run from lockbox01 into some disk space there 18:38:51 <nirik> skvidal: cool. Is this against rawhide I assume? 18:38:56 <skvidal> yeah it will be 18:39:02 <Neldogz> nirik: I belive we can close easyfix ticket 3231. After the restart of the unbound service, nagios appears to be performing the check successfully. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/nagios/cgi-bin//extinfo.cgi?type=2&host=unb… 18:39:39 <nirik> Neldogz: yeah, odd. It was doing it for a while, then stopped. ;) Oh well. 18:40:02 <nirik> skvidal: anything we need to know if we need to stop it or the like? 18:40:12 <skvidal> nirik: no 18:40:15 <Neldogz> I wish we could pinpoint what exactly was causing the problem. 18:40:22 <skvidal> nirik: just kill the processes running as me on lockbox01 18:40:31 <skvidal> nirik: and you can either kill or reboot buildvmhost-02 18:40:42 <skvidal> it might eat up some disk space on lockbox01 18:40:48 <skvidal> I'm looking to make sure that won't happen now 18:40:48 <nirik> Neldogz: me too. oh well, we will see if it happens again I guess. 18:40:53 <nirik> skvidal: ok. 18:41:12 <skvidal> nirik: hmm - not a lot of disk there, is there... 18:41:12 <nirik> #info FTBFS run starting on buildvm05-08 and 02. 18:41:18 <skvidal> not 02 18:41:25 <smooge> question.. when does skvidal get back 18:41:31 <skvidal> buildvm-05 -> 08 - which are all on buildvmhost-02 18:41:36 <skvidal> smooge: I'll be back monday 18:41:39 <nirik> ah, right, sorry. Could be more clear there. 18:41:42 <skvidal> smooge: my little brother is graduating from college 18:41:50 <skvidal> so I'm away for that this weekend 18:41:55 <jds2001> skvidal: mine just did :) 18:42:00 <skvidal> I should be available via phone some of the time 18:42:01 <skvidal> jds2001: :) 18:42:07 <skvidal> but I wouldn't bet on it 18:42:12 <smooge> you kids 18:42:36 <Neldogz> nirik: can someone that has access re-enable the notifications for the tls/ssh dns check to unbound-telia01 18:42:47 <nirik> Neldogz: yeah, I can see after the meeting. 18:42:57 <Neldogz> cool 18:43:11 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 18:43:16 <nirik> anyone have items for open floor? 18:43:35 <skvidal> nirik: I have one item, maybe? 18:43:41 <nirik> sure, shoot... 18:43:45 <skvidal> ansible made it into epel-6 and fedora now as pkgs 18:43:51 <skvidal> so it is easier for folks to play/test with 18:43:56 <skvidal> it is still evolving 18:44:03 <skvidal> but I wanted to encourage folks to mess with it 18:44:16 <nirik> cool. 18:44:16 <skvidal> and complain baout things if you find issues 18:44:16 * nirik makes a note to try it out here. 18:44:23 <smooge> will be messing with it next week as I redeploy my home system 18:44:25 <skvidal> I'm using ansible's api to drive the ftbfs stuff 18:44:38 <skvidal> and using the playbooks to setup the buildvm boxes I'm doing today 18:44:48 <skvidal> but more eyes/complaints are good 18:44:51 <skvidal> thx 18:45:32 <nirik> #info ansible is in fedora/epel, please play with it. 18:46:21 <nirik> ok, anything else or shall we call it a meeting? 18:47:49 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone! 18:47:52 <nirik> #endmeeting

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Summary/Minutes from today's irc support sig meeting (2012-05-10)
by Kevin Fenzi 10 May '12

10 May '12

============================================= #fedora-meeting: IRC Support SIG (2012-05-10) ============================================= Meeting started by nirik at 17:00:00 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-10/irc-support-sig.… . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (nirik, 17:00:00) * Week in review (nirik, 17:01:28) * LINK: http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html (nirik, 17:01:28) * Tickets (nirik, 17:04:06) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/report/1 (nirik, 17:04:07) * new proposed #fedora-social op (nirik, 17:04:28) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/104 (nirik, 17:04:28) * Open Floor (nirik, 17:25:45) Meeting ended at 17:48:36 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (69) * dcr226 (63) * EvilBob (50) * Sonar_Gal (20) * nb-phone (14) * Southern_Gentlem (3) * N3LRX (3) * zodbot (3) * Khaytsus (2) * DiscordianUK (1) -- 17:00:00 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2012-05-10) 17:00:00 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu May 10 17:00:00 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:00 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:00 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig 17:00:00 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig' 17:00:00 <nirik> #topic init process 17:00:00 * Khaytsus sets out tea and biscuits 17:00:24 * N3LRX 17:00:26 * EvilBob 17:00:26 <nirik> who all is around today? 17:00:32 * DiscordianUK is 17:00:44 * dcr226 tips his cap 17:01:20 <nirik> ok, lets go ahead and dive in. 17:01:28 <nirik> #topic Week in review 17:01:28 <nirik> http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html 17:01:42 <nirik> anything from this last week? 17:02:20 <nirik> I'll note that as f17 comes close to release, updates-testing is disabled now by default. This may cause issues for f17prerelease people. See: http://scrye.com/wordpress-mu/nirik/2012/05/09/fedora-17-prerelease-and-upd… 17:02:34 * Sonar_Gal 17:03:48 <nirik> nothing else really stood out for me in channel this last week... pretty typical 17:04:06 <nirik> #topic Tickets 17:04:07 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/report/1 17:04:15 <nirik> we have one ticket, but it's our next topic... so... 17:04:28 <nirik> #topic new proposed #fedora-social op 17:04:28 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/104 17:05:01 <nirik> anything anyone would like to add thats not in the ticket? 17:05:08 <EvilBob> I disagree, from what I have seen he is not active in the channel enough to be effective. 17:05:18 * nirik notes 7 days for the ticket ends later today... it was filed after last weeks meeting. 17:05:29 <Sonar_Gal> yes it was 17:05:54 <Sonar_Gal> I think he is active enough in the channel it is a social channel not a support channel 17:05:58 * dcr226 has nothing to add, is still -1, and would still love to see nb more active on -social to make an informed decision 17:06:01 <nirik> so, I see +5 / -2 then? 17:06:11 <EvilBob> There is also the issue of his insistence to have a presence in the ops channel after it was established what channels the group manages. 17:06:38 <dcr226> also, I'd urge folks to exercise caution when appointing a non-active user as an op 17:06:49 <Sonar_Gal> then why are other non-fedora social op's in there 17:07:16 <EvilBob> Additionally I feel there are users of the channel that are more qualified and should be considered first if we are going to be adding ops. 17:07:22 <nirik> "Other folks can be allowed by nomination from an op and a second from any other operator" <- I think any no ops there are under this. 17:07:48 * dcr226 appreciates that "active" is subjective....I don't think we need to argue the finer points of "active" in this case 17:08:07 <nirik> EvilBob: yeah, we could nominate some more for sure. 17:08:17 <dcr226> EvilBob, +1, but maybe should nomin.... 17:08:20 <dcr226> yeah, what he said 17:08:28 <Sonar_Gal> nirik, that's fine but I get tired of hearing he can't be in the channel all the time when I don't care if he is ther 17:08:46 <Sonar_Gal> neither do others 17:09:08 <nirik> anyhow, I think this passes... we move on? unless folks want to change votes, or the like. 17:09:15 <EvilBob> At one time there was a reason they were there, with the -noc channel that is no longer the case. 17:09:42 <EvilBob> Had he left the channel after the new guidelines were established my opinion might be different. 17:09:56 <dcr226> Question: Is the over-arching purpose of the nomination/subsequent votes to solidify nb's position and presence in #fedora-ops? 17:10:12 <Sonar_Gal> Hell no 17:10:17 <dcr226> because there are many other active users in -social 17:10:17 * nirik sure hopes not. 17:10:22 <EvilBob> His belligerence on this item shows a lack of being willing to work with others. 17:10:33 <Sonar_Gal> And EvilBob you would have never nominated him as you like to argue to much with him 17:10:38 <dcr226> Sonar_Gal, so why not mock, tw2113, kc8fi, tatica? 17:10:42 <Sonar_Gal> No it doesn't 17:10:58 <EvilBob> Sonar_Gal: as the results of HIS actions I do take issue with him, yes. 17:11:08 <dcr226> any of those users above are very active, and have positive influence 17:11:09 <Sonar_Gal> whatever 17:11:22 <Sonar_Gal> yes mock is active but only during working hours 17:11:34 <Sonar_Gal> same with most where nb is on non working hours 17:11:38 * nirik also finds N3LRX active at late hours and good to steer the channel right. ;) 17:11:45 <dcr226> nirik, yeah..the list could go on 17:11:56 <EvilBob> nirik: He is very good at that. 17:12:01 <Sonar_Gal> yes I would agree N3LRX is good and should be nominated 17:12:25 <dcr226> Sonar_Gal, my reason for asking the above question was; if that is the case...why can't we just vote on nb's presence in -ops 17:12:31 <dcr226> I have little issue with it personally 17:12:33 <EvilBob> I will nominate N3LRX once the existing guidelines are enforced 17:12:36 <nirik> dcr226: I thought we already did in fact. 17:12:46 <dcr226> nirik, oh..ok, I must have been elsewhere :) 17:12:50 <dcr226> or goofing off somewhere 17:12:55 <Sonar_Gal> you know what maybe I will think deeply on getting rid of my op's in -social 17:13:03 <nirik> unless we need to re-nominate and vote on people after the new voting guidelines... 17:13:04 <dcr226> Sonar_Gal, naawwwww 17:13:07 <Sonar_Gal> Tired of the political nonsense 17:13:08 <EvilBob> dcr226: It did not happen on the list or on the trac instance 17:13:09 <nirik> which we can do if people really want. 17:13:28 <nirik> EvilBob: because it was before the formal guidelines. I'd be happy to do it again if you want. 17:13:42 <dcr226> nirik, vote to vote to vote to vote...could get messy 17:13:49 <EvilBob> nirik: will YOU ask him to leave until that happens? 17:14:05 <nirik> there are 4 or 5 others also (at least) 17:14:12 <dcr226> I have no problem with nb as a person whatsoever...I'm cautious of voting in a non-active user as op...it pretty much ends there 17:14:22 <EvilBob> nirik: so we can chat openly in private about his -social nomination? 17:14:54 <EvilBob> nirik: once the new guidelines were established at least one user that had been welcome there did leave 17:14:57 <nirik> EvilBob: have you felt restricted in what you can discuss? 17:14:58 <dcr226> Sonar_Gal, don't quit being op on -social, there's no need and the channel would loose lots if you do that 17:15:26 <EvilBob> nirik: I have felt restricted in what I can say for quite some time in there 17:15:52 <dcr226> *also*, Its not specific that I worry about voting nb...I worry about where this could end (voting non-active users in) 17:15:55 <nirik> so, you want us to revote for all non ops that were previously invited to the channel again now that we have rules? 17:16:11 <dcr226> I'm sure that nb would do a good job....for my mind he has to _do_ that job first 17:16:42 <EvilBob> nirik: there is nothing in the guidelines that says they are grandfthered in 17:16:42 <Sonar_Gal> dcr226, he does in many other channels he has op's in 17:16:54 <dcr226> Sonar_Gal, sure, no dispute there 17:16:55 <Sonar_Gal> That's my point he knows the rules and guidelines 17:17:15 <dcr226> Sonar_Gal, I worry about setting a precedent that non-active users can get op 17:17:20 <nirik> EvilBob: ok, it seems pointless to me, but sure. 17:17:36 <EvilBob> Sonar_Gal: Irrelevant, they are not channels this group has supervisory control over. 17:17:38 <dcr226> Sonar_Gal, next time it won't be nb...it could be any number of users, if they are popular enough to get enough +1's, they're op on #fedora 17:17:54 <Sonar_Gal> haha 17:18:26 <nirik> so, I can file tickets for each of the non op people after the meeting. 17:18:42 <dcr226> Sonar_Gal, I'll give you an example..if/when this goes through, if I nominate tatica for op on #fedora, she's popular enough to get a majority vote 17:18:44 <EvilBob> nirik: you never answered my question 17:18:48 <dcr226> would this be a good thing? I think not 17:18:49 <EvilBob> nirik: will YOU ask him to leave until that happens? 17:19:11 <nirik> EvilBob: no, because this ticket we are discussing is passing, and thus he is an op in social, so he can stay. 17:19:46 <nirik> I guess I can ask ricky, jds2001, sonar_logger1, and pingou to leave tho 17:19:49 <EvilBob> nirik: as you pointed out this ticket has not had a full 7 days so it should be voted on next week, not this week 17:20:05 <dcr226> nirik, separate issue to the ticket imho 17:20:18 <EvilBob> nirik: Allowing this week and this meeting to allow discussion 17:20:19 <dcr226> or at least I hope it is 17:20:38 <nirik> EvilBob: "Voting members have 7 days to vote, majority vote determines outcome." that doesn't say that we wait another week. 17:20:48 <nirik> dcr226: which is? 17:21:04 <dcr226> nirik, the issue is nb's nomination for op if I'm not mistaken 17:21:08 <EvilBob> nirik: It says 7 days, as you stated it has not been 7 days 17:21:22 <nirik> dcr226: yes. 17:21:32 <dcr226> not "who is allowed to be in -ops" 17:21:44 <dcr226> maybe I lost the thread here somewhere :/ 17:21:46 <dcr226> cock 17:21:48 <EvilBob> dcr226: It's a sub item if anything 17:21:48 <dcr226> ups, sorry 17:22:05 <nirik> EvilBob: right, so in 2 hours it will be 7 days... the votes can be tallyed? 17:22:31 <EvilBob> nirik: I would think that votes would be counted at the meeting following the 7 days 17:22:46 <Southern_Gentlem> *yawn* 17:22:56 * nirik wouldn't... I'd be happy to ask nb to wait a week if you think there's some actual reason. 17:23:28 <nb-phone> I don't see how it would change...... 17:23:54 <dcr226> I don't think it needs another week, I just would like everyone who has voted, to re-consider their vote based on the lack of activity. Not specific to this case, but where it might lead in the future 17:23:57 <nirik> on the other side there's no urgency... 17:23:59 <dcr226> if nothing changes...then so bit 17:24:04 <dcr226> erm, so be it 17:24:06 <nb-phone> It says a week. Not a week and wait till a meeting. EvilBob why don't you follow the policy 17:24:13 <EvilBob> Does not matter really the guidelines are not being followed anyhow. 17:24:24 <nb-phone> EvilBob: How are they not? 17:25:01 <nirik> anyhow, I don't think we are getting anywhere here. Shall we call this topic done and move on? 17:25:45 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 17:25:54 <EvilBob> If "<nb-phone> I don't see how it would change..." why would another week bother you so much? 17:26:00 <nirik> should we discuss the re-nomination of people who are not ops to be invited to fedora-ops? 17:26:09 <dcr226> wait, hold up....so is nb-phone op on -social now? 17:26:16 <nirik> I'm happy to re-nominate them all, and ask for seconds. 17:26:23 <Southern_Gentlem> 2nd 17:26:26 <nirik> dcr226: not for 2 hours at least. 17:26:27 * dcr226 wonders what "done" means wrt the topic 17:26:30 <dcr226> oh..I see 17:27:22 <nb-phone> nirik: Vote concludes after 1 week still? 17:27:33 <dcr226> in 2 hours 17:27:49 <nirik> I think so. If you want to be nice and wait another week for more discussion thats up to you. 17:28:11 <nirik> or if someone wants to propose a clarification on the 7 days rule. 17:28:17 <Southern_Gentlem> ok so we are back down to a bitchfest and getting nothing done let me know when there is a productive meeting 17:28:22 <dcr226> I don't think this should run on for another week 17:28:27 * nirik has had a hard week, so doesn't really want to expend more energy on it 17:28:34 <dcr226> if nothing changes in the next 2 hours, then its done imho 17:28:36 <nb-phone> nirik: My thought is that EvilBob wants to fuss because he is not getting his way. I say do like he says and follow the policy 17:28:44 <nb-phone> So tally the votes in 2 hrs 17:28:52 <EvilBob> There was enough discussion alone that I think another week is justified. 17:29:23 <EvilBob> to allow people to read the logs and eveluate their votes 17:29:28 <nb-phone> EvilBob: Thats not in the policy. You want to follow the policy. Follow it then. 17:30:54 <EvilBob> dcr226: 2 hours is hardly enough time for people to review the logs of this meeting and discussion 17:31:28 <nb-phone> EvilBob: They had a week to read the ticket 17:31:31 <EvilBob> nb-phone: talking about not getting one's way, how about pointing that finger at the one that nominated you. 17:31:47 <nb-phone> Bob you complain about not following the policy but yet you want to not follow the policy 17:31:49 <nirik> ok, any other items for open floor? 17:32:04 <nirik> I dont think this discussion is going in a productive way. 17:32:14 <EvilBob> <Sonar_Gal> you know what maybe I will think deeply on getting rid of my op's in -social 17:32:15 <nb-phone> Me either I suggest we move on 17:32:50 <EvilBob> talk about taking your ball and going home 17:33:10 <Sonar_Gal> EvilBob, I will and probably will in the future so I don't have to deal with you 17:33:14 <dcr226> nirik, yeah...I'd got a suggestion for getting more support tickets 17:33:17 <nirik> Sonar_Gal: please don't. 17:33:20 <EvilBob> Sonar_Gal: Sounds familiar 17:33:25 <nirik> dcr226: oh, do tell? 17:33:42 <dcr226> nirik, I think...kill the fedbot spammer for a week, I think eyes have gotten used to it 17:33:56 <dcr226> I think its "hiding in plain sight" nowadays 17:34:07 <nirik> yeah, could be. or change wording again. 17:34:10 <dcr226> so people aren't reacting to it 17:34:36 <nirik> could we make it do a random rotation perhaps? 17:34:40 <dcr226> I think making it go away for a week will work nicely...we won't get any feedback for a week (nothing new there), but might get some next week when it comes back on 17:34:52 <dcr226> just a thought 17:34:58 <nirik> ok, and that will be the run up to release too... 17:35:11 <nirik> sure, +1 here... any other thoughts? 17:35:36 <EvilBob> I would +1 that bringing it back post release 17:35:48 <dcr226> EvilBob, yeah...anything that gives it a rest 17:35:53 <dcr226> I think people aren't seeing it anymore 17:36:04 <nirik> yeah, I haven't seen anyone even comment on it recently. 17:36:53 * nirik sees no one objecting... 17:37:06 <EvilBob> Again, I ask the group to delay the nomination vote until the next meeting to allow everyone to read this meeting's log 17:37:35 * nirik doesn't really think there's any new info in the meeting that wasn't in the ticket. 17:37:37 <Sonar_Gal> What gets me is everyone has had a week to comment and reply 17:37:41 <EvilBob> But apparently nb-phone is to scared of what the results might be. 17:38:00 <EvilBob> Most things have been a full week and vote 17:38:14 <dcr226> I'd like folks not present, who are members of the sig time to consider the ramifications of the vote...so yeah, I'd like more time I guess 17:38:56 <nb-phone> EvilBob: You are jus mad you aren't getting your way 17:39:03 * nirik dislikes always delaying at the last minute at the meeting. we did this for the voting rules for like 3 weeks... nothing changed. But sure, if nb wishes to hold his nomination for a week that would be fine with me. 17:39:09 <dcr226> nb-phone, I don't think its that at all 17:39:09 <EvilBob> nb-phone: Not at all, I only think it is fair 17:39:43 <EvilBob> nb-phone: there has been a precedent for this in our votes in the past 17:39:56 <nb-phone> nirik: I do not. EvilBob is the only one who is really complaining. People had a week to read the ticket and if they cant manage to rwspond in a week then... 17:40:22 <EvilBob> we have always had a week to discuss then vote 17:40:30 * dcr226 notes zodiac was nominated for op last year....could have easily had enough votes to make it happen..would this have been a good thing?? 17:40:48 <dcr226> s/nominated/very nearly nominated, if not actually nominated 17:41:19 <Khaytsus> I've never seen nb troll and attack everyone nearby..... 17:41:31 <EvilBob> dcr226: Was nominated by me, he got sick of the argument over lack of policy 17:41:31 <nirik> dcr226: I don't think there were sufficent votes. 17:42:03 <nb-phone> Can we just move on and follow the dang policy? 17:42:05 <dcr226> nirik, there was just one vote iirc...my point is, if someone was popular enough, they could get op...regardless of ability 17:42:34 <nirik> dcr226: popular with voting members, yeah. 17:42:47 <dcr226> yeah, that shouldn't happen imho...its not a boy's club 17:42:57 <nirik> dcr226: if you have a proposal on how to amend the rules to avoid that problem, please do propose the change 17:43:01 <dcr226> Heh :) 17:43:16 <nirik> anyhow, I'm going to close the meeting in about a minute if nothing else comes up. 17:43:18 <EvilBob> yes dcr226 propose a change after the fact 17:43:50 <EvilBob> dcr226: that is how they pushed the fucking guidelines in on a week they knew I could not make the meeting 17:44:16 * nirik rolls eyes. 17:44:20 <EvilBob> Sorry for my language 17:44:27 <dcr226> I think this will come back to bite the sig on the ass fwiw 17:44:42 <EvilBob> dcr226: Oh it will 17:44:44 <dcr226> not with nb...but the precedent that has been set 17:44:52 * dcr226 eof :) 17:45:14 <EvilBob> dcr226: every vote from now on does not need a full week with a meeting to discuss 17:45:30 <nb-phone> Yes it only needs 1 week since the ticket is filed 17:45:49 <EvilBob> again, one full week then vote 17:46:18 <EvilBob> not vote before it can be discussed in a meeting 17:46:29 <N3LRX> I have an idea. How about amending the policy to require op nominations -before- a scheduled meeting. Then at the next meeting the nomination can be reviewed at the following meeting then voted on by adding the vote to the ticket. Then the result can be enacted upon the next meeting. That may prevent this sort of go-around from happening in the future. Does this make sense? 17:46:53 <dcr226> N3LRX, I think that is what EvilBob is getting at...and I THINK that is what happened when I got +o 17:46:57 <dcr226> (IIRC) 17:47:02 <EvilBob> N3LRX: That is how I intepreted the rules 17:47:06 <nirik> dcr226: we had no formal policy then, but it could be. 17:47:13 <dcr226> yeah 17:47:45 <EvilBob> N3LRX: This is appearing to be what is called a "quick trial" in the legal system 17:47:56 <nirik> I'm not opposed to clarifying the rules that way. N3LRX: can you file a ticket with the exact wording diff? 17:48:22 <N3LRX> sure. 17:48:33 <nirik> anyhow, I need to get ready for my next meeting... so thanks for coming 17:48:36 <nirik> #endmeeting

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FUDCon KL Meeting Minutes :: 2012-05-10
by Tee Yee Shen 10 May '12

10 May '12

Hey folks, Thanks for attending the FUDCon KL Planning Meeting (2012-05-10). Following is the meeting summary; Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fudcon-planning/2012-05-10/fudcon_kl_2012… Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fudcon-planning/2012-05-10/fudcon_kl_2012… ======================== #fudcon-planning Meeting ======================== Meeting started by MavJS at 14:11:39 UTC. The full logs are available athttp://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fudcon-planning/2012-05-10/fudcon_kl_201… . Meeting summary --------------- * LINK: Agenda https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:KualaLumpur_2012/Meeting:2012-05-10 (MavJS, 14:12:18) * Roll Call (MavJS, 14:12:47) * Announcements (MavJS, 14:14:03) * we have a things to get done list https://fudconkl.etherpad.mozilla.org/17 (MavJS, 14:14:31) * please use that to finish up the tasks for this week. (MavJS, 14:14:59) * we will be having a physical meeting this Saturday (2012-05-12) at UCTI (MavJS, 14:15:34) * MavJS has sent out Guidebooks for sponsored attendees, please read through it. (MavJS, 14:16:03) * swags likely be finished on tomorrow/saturday (KageSenshi, 14:20:09) * t-shirt likely on tomorrow/saturday/monday (KageSenshi, 14:20:22) * we'll be having a sprint to get last minute stuff done on saturday (KageSenshi, 14:20:51) * FUDCon KL 2012 is on 8 days!!! (KageSenshi, 14:21:15) * Review Actions from Last Meeting (MavJS, 14:27:39) * we've already booked the rooms (KageSenshi, 14:29:18) * ACTION: KageSenshi to meet up with OSCC on 17th for lucky draw stuff (KageSenshi, 14:31:24) * Questions/Decisions (MavJS, 14:31:47) * ACTION: KageSenshi to check up with Mansur on Melaka CM status .. as some people seems to be too worried about not following protocol" (KageSenshi, 14:37:01) * ACTION: rbergeron to write up welcoming notes for fudconkl guidebook (KageSenshi, 14:38:29) * I was contacted by some educational institute this morning .. that they are planning to bring 30 students over (KageSenshi, 14:40:14) * ACTION: jurank_dankkal to check up with his university faculty if we can borrow walkie talkies (KageSenshi, 14:43:20) * LINK: http://list.lelong.com.my/Auc/List/List.asp?DA=A&SubmitButton=Search&TheKey… (KageSenshi, 14:49:53) * LINK: http://www.lelong.com.my/motorola-t5720-radio-frs-22-channel-walkie-talkie-… (KageSenshi, 14:50:25) * New Action Items (MavJS, 14:53:16) * ACTION: EVERYONE please be at UCTI/APIIT on saturday (KageSenshi, 14:53:37) * ACTION: Alvisyu & TYSSeries to take over MavJS's stuff while he's back home. (MavJS, 14:54:07) * Open Floor (MavJS, 14:56:50) * ACTION: KageSenshi to buy the badge holders for lanyards (KageSenshi, 14:58:36) * ACTION: MavJS to ping Gurdip about getting the existing vlnts to show up on Saturday (MavJS, 15:01:42) Meeting ended at 15:05:09 UTC. Action Items ------------ * KageSenshi to meet up with OSCC on 17th for lucky draw stuff * KageSenshi to check up with Mansur on Melaka CM status .. as some people seems to be too worried about not following protocol" * rbergeron to write up welcoming notes for fudconkl guidebook * jurank_dankkal to check up with his university faculty if we can borrow walkie talkies * EVERYONE please be at UCTI/APIIT on saturday * Alvisyu & TYSSeries to take over MavJS's stuff while he's back home. * KageSenshi to buy the badge holders for lanyards * MavJS to ping Gurdip about getting the existing vlnts to show up on Saturday Action Items, by person ----------------------- * Alvisyu * Alvisyu & TYSSeries to take over MavJS's stuff while he's back home. * jurank_dankkal * jurank_dankkal to check up with his university faculty if we can borrow walkie talkies * KageSenshi * KageSenshi to meet up with OSCC on 17th for lucky draw stuff * KageSenshi to check up with Mansur on Melaka CM status .. as some people seems to be too worried about not following protocol" * KageSenshi to buy the badge holders for lanyards * MavJS * Alvisyu & TYSSeries to take over MavJS's stuff while he's back home. * MavJS to ping Gurdip about getting the existing vlnts to show up on Saturday * rbergeron * rbergeron to write up welcoming notes for fudconkl guidebook * TYSSeries * Alvisyu & TYSSeries to take over MavJS's stuff while he's back home. * **UNASSIGNED** * EVERYONE please be at UCTI/APIIT on saturday People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * MavJS (118) * KageSenshi (110) * rbergeron (30) * vinz007 (22) * jurank_dankkal (18) * zodbot (12) * Alvisyu (6) * TYSSeries (5) -- ---------------- Regards, TYSSeries -- Using Gmail? Please read this important notice: http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/jstrap/gmail?8483. My Twitter https://twitter.com/tysseries My WordPress https://teeys1992.wordpress.com/ The truth always is only one - 名探偵コナン Fight with Dying Will and Trust with Dying Will - 家庭教師ヒットマンREBORN! 侠道非攻 - 五步之内百人不当十年磨剑一孤侠道 - 秦时明月

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i18n meeting summary (2012-05-10)
by Akira TAGOH 10 May '12

10 May '12

===================== #fedora-meeting: i18n ===================== Meeting started by tagoh at 05:01:29 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-10/i18n.2012-05-10-… . Meeting summary --------------- * agenda and roll call (tagoh, 05:01:40) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2012-05-10 (tagoh, 05:01:51) * F17 (tagoh, 05:05:31) * F18 (tagoh, 05:23:56) * Input Methods (tagoh, 05:39:34) * Fonts and Rendering (tagoh, 05:51:21) * Open Floor (tagoh, 06:12:56) Meeting ended at 06:16:11 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tagoh (58) * VICODAN2 (25) * pravins (15) * juhp (9) * anish_ (6) * fujiwarat (6) * zodbot (4) * dueno (1) * paragan (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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FAmSco meeting 2012-05-09 minutes
by Christoph Wickert 09 May '12

09 May '12

Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-09/famsco.2012-05-0… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-09/famsco.2012-05-0… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-09/famsco.2012-05-0… Meet you again next week Wednesday, May 17th at 22:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting! Regards, Christoph ================================== #fedora-meeting: FAmSCo 2012-05-09 ================================== Meeting started by cwickert at 22:01:07 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-09/famsco.2012-05-0… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (cwickert, 22:01:20) * Zoltan cannot attend today (cwickert, 22:10:00) * the meeting agenda for today's meeting can be found at https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/report/9 (cwickert, 22:10:42) * we don't have a quorum yet, so this meeting is only informal :( (cwickert, 22:11:02) * Budget for LinuxTag (cwickert, 22:11:56) * FAmSCo elections (cwickert, 22:26:58) * Nominations for FAmSCo are open. If you want to run, add yourself at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_election_2012_F18_nominations (cwickert, 22:27:24) * Nomination period ends 23:59:59 UTC on the 15th (cwickert, 22:28:20) * we now have a quorum (cwickert, 22:28:46) * Budget for LinuxTag (continued) (cwickert, 22:37:01) * AGREED: #291 is approved (cwickert, 22:37:40) * Budget review guidelines (cwickert, 22:39:05) * ACTION: all famsco members and all credit card holder to add their thoughts to #281 (cwickert, 23:17:59) Meeting ended at 23:21:13 UTC. Action Items ------------ * all famsco members and all credit card holder to add their thoughts to #281 Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * all famsco members and all credit card holder to add their thoughts to #281

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EMEA ambassadors meeting 2012-05-09 minutes
by Christoph Wickert 09 May '12

09 May '12

I have to admit about the number of attendees recently. Please try to attend the meetings more frequently. Thanks! Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-05-09/emea_ambassado… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-05-09/emea_ambassado… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-05-09/emea_ambassado… Meet you again on Wednesday, 16th (Next week!) at 20:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting! Regards, Christoph ============================================== #fedora-meeting-1: EMEA Ambassadors 2012-05-09 ============================================== Meeting summary --------------- * roll call (cwickert, 20:07:44) * FUDCon APAC ahead (cwickert, 20:13:45) * Announcements (cwickert, 20:14:05) * Last call for LinuxTag. If you want to attend LinuxTag Berlin and need a hotel, get in touch with cwickert ASAP (cwickert, 20:14:49) * Ambassadors Schedule (cwickert, 20:16:01) * Fedora 17 might be delayed by another week. we need to be prepared (cwickert, 20:18:21) * LINK: http://inkscaper.fedorapeople.org/Fedora17/media-artwork/Fedora-17-installa… (gnokii, 20:20:15) * ACTION: Sesivany to give Alexander the specs of the media vendor (cwickert, 20:24:44) * ACTION: gnokii to work on the media artwork with Alexander. make sure we have the artwork for install media in 32+64 bit (on one DVD) (cwickert, 20:25:38) * ACTION: cwickert to figure out how/when we can get the final images (cwickert, 20:28:22) * Events (cwickert, 20:29:14) * cwickert has registered Fedora as project for FrOSCon but not yet requested a devroom (cwickert, 20:50:00) * we would like to have a Fedora room again, but we need talks and workshops (cwickert, 20:50:22) * ACTION: cwickert to create a wiki page for FrOSCon (cwickert, 20:50:43) * ACTION: cwickert to call for talks and workshops for FrOSCon (cwickert, 20:51:51) * if you need a polo, request one by following the instructions at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Polo_Shirt#EMEA (cwickert, 20:56:03) * giallu is event owner for EuroPython 2012 in Florence (cwickert, 20:58:56) * ACTION: giallu to create a wiki page for EuroPython (cwickert, 20:59:07) * Software Freedom Day Hamburg will take place September 15th at the Technische Universität Hamburg-Harburg (cwickert, 21:02:32) * Action items from previous meetings (cwickert, 21:07:36) * ACTION: rbergeron to ship case badges and stickers to Sesivany at the Brno office (cwickert, 21:09:25) * ACTION: shaiton_ and cwickert to get quotes for tablecloth (cwickert, 21:18:46) * Open FLoor (cwickert, 21:19:13) * ACTION: everybody try to figure out if there is a kind of "prepaid card" for your local postal service (cwickert, 21:30:40) * the deadline for asking the FAmSCo candidates questions is due, but you might sneak your question in last minute at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F17_elections_questionnaire (cwickert, 21:37:44) Meeting ended at 21:40:36 UTC. Action Items ------------ * Sesivany to give Alexander the specs of the media vendor * gnokii to work on the media artwork with Alexander. make sure we have the artwork for install media in 32+64 bit (on one DVD) * cwickert to figure out how/when we can get the final images * cwickert to create a wiki page for FrOSCon * cwickert to call for talks and workshops for FrOSCon * giallu to create a wiki page for EuroPython * rbergeron to ship case badges and stickers to Sesivany at the Brno office * shaiton_ and cwickert to get quotes for tablecloth * everybody try to figure out if there is a kind of "prepaid card" for your local postal service Action Items, by person ----------------------- * cwickert * cwickert to figure out how/when we can get the final images * cwickert to create a wiki page for FrOSCon * cwickert to call for talks and workshops for FrOSCon * shaiton_ and cwickert to get quotes for tablecloth * giallu * giallu to create a wiki page for EuroPython * gnokii * gnokii to work on the media artwork with Alexander. make sure we have the artwork for install media in 32+64 bit (on one DVD) * rbergeron * rbergeron to ship case badges and stickers to Sesivany at the Brno office * Sesivany * Sesivany to give Alexander the specs of the media vendor * rbergeron to ship case badges and stickers to Sesivany at the Brno office * **UNASSIGNED** * everybody try to figure out if there is a kind of "prepaid card" for your local postal service

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Re: Weekly ARM status meeting - Wed 2012/05/09
by Jon Masters 09 May '12

09 May '12

Hi Folks, Thanks for joining us today in our weekly meeting. Here are the minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-09/fedora-meeting.2… Jon.

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[Fedora-packaging] Fedora Packaging Committee Meeting - 2012-05-09
by Tom Callaway 09 May '12

09 May '12

The Fedora Packaging Committee met at its regular day (Wednesday) and time (1600 UTC). Logs from the meeting can be found here: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-05-09/fpc.2012-05-09… Minutes from the meeting can be found here: HTML: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-05-09/fpc.2012-05-09… TXT: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-05-09/fpc.2012-05-09… As a reminder, the Fedora Packaging Committee meets publicly and encourages community participation. Anyone can submit a draft of new guidelines or changes to existing guidelines (or even bundling exceptions) by following the process documented here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging_Committee#Guideline_Change_Procedu… ~tom == Fedora Project

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FAmNA Meeting (09 May 2012)
by inode0 08 May '12

08 May '12

====================== #fedora-meeting: FAmNA ====================== Meeting started by inode0 at 01:00:00 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-09/famna.2012-05-09… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (inode0, 01:00:21) * Announcements (inode0, 01:02:16) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections (inode0, 01:02:39) * Tickets (inode0, 01:08:14) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 (inode0, 01:08:28) * #11 (LinuxFest Northwest 2012, Apr 28-29, Bellingham, WA) â€“ FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/11 (inode0, 01:08:54) * ACTION: Find the vertical banners before SELF :) (inode0, 01:16:14) * #33 (2012 Fedora Merchandise Order) â€“ FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/33 (inode0, 01:18:13) * ACTION: graphite6 will also place the pen order (graphite6, 01:34:46) * ACTION: rbergeron to investigate a standup beefy miracle for picture taking (rbergeron, 01:44:30) * #32 (SELF Brainstorming) â€“ FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/32 (inode0, 01:44:58) * #21 (SouthEast LinuxFest 2012, Jun 8-10, Charlotte, NC) â€“ FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/21 (inode0, 01:45:10) * Fedora Amateur Radio SIG will be offering Amateur Radio license exams @ SELF on Sunday, from 10am-1pm (nb, 01:46:32) * Open Floor (inode0, 01:50:47) * LINK: http://instagr.am/p/KY2Ebiu99m/ (rbergeron, 01:56:03) Meeting ended at 02:00:16 UTC. Action Items ------------ * Find the vertical banners before SELF :) * graphite6 will also place the pen order * rbergeron to investigate a standup beefy miracle for picture taking Action Items, by person ----------------------- * graphite6 * graphite6 will also place the pen order * rbergeron * rbergeron to investigate a standup beefy miracle for picture taking * **UNASSIGNED** * Find the vertical banners before SELF :) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * inode0 (101) * rbergeron (89) * nb (42) * graphite6 (37) * chanchito (20) * herlo (15) * kk4ewt (14) * zodbot (12) * StabbyMc_ (8) * Sonar_Gal (4) * award3535 (4) John

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