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F19 Beta Blocker Bug Review #4 Minutes
by Tim Flink 08 May '13

08 May '13

================================================ #fedora-blocker-review: f19beta-blocker-review-4 ================================================ Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-blocker-review/2013-05-08/f19beta-b… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-blocker-review/2013-05-08/f19beta-b… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-blocker-review/2013-05-08/f19beta-b… Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (tflink, 16:00:04) * Introduction (tflink, 16:06:45) * Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. (tflink, 16:06:52) * We'll be following the process outlined at: (tflink, 16:06:59) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting (tflink, 16:06:59) * The bugs up for review today are available at: (tflink, 16:07:06) * LINK: http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current (tflink, 16:07:06) * The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at: (tflink, 16:07:13) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_19_Beta_Release_Criteria (tflink, 16:07:14) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_19_Alpha_Release_Criteria (tflink, 16:07:16) * Up for review today, we have: (tflink, 16:07:20) * 7 Proposed Blockers (tflink, 16:07:26) * 9 Accepted Blockers (tflink, 16:07:27) * 4 Proposed Freeze Exceptions (tflink, 16:07:27) * 3 Accepted Freeze Exceptions (tflink, 16:07:27) * (959688) unrecoverable error when switching from BTRFS to LVM in manual partitioning (tflink, 16:08:18) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=959688 (tflink, 16:08:21) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 16:08:24) * AGREED: 959688 - RejectedBlocker - While nasty, this doesn't hit any beta release criteria and there are workarounds that don't require a reboot (even if they aren't obvious). Document as CommonBugs but rejected as a blocker for F19 beta (tflink, 16:17:30) * (960254) multiple disks, can't select specific disk for root (tflink, 16:18:18) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=960254 (tflink, 16:18:21) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 16:18:24) * AGREED: 960254 - RejectedBlocker (beta), AcceptedFreezeException - While this is confusing, it does not prevent install and does not violate any of the beta release criterion. Rejected as a blocker for F19 beta but re-proposed as a F19 final blocker and mark CommonBugs (tflink, 16:36:03) * (960837) Regression to F14 Behavior concerning non-ascii Passwords (tflink, 16:36:39) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=960837 (tflink, 16:36:43) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 16:36:45) * AGREED: 960837 - RejectedBlocker, RejectedFreezeException - This does not hit any F19 release criteria and thus, does not qualify as a release blocking bug for F19 beta (tflink, 16:43:34) * (947285) grub finds no bootable image after save image to disk from Fedora-19 i686 live iso (tflink, 16:44:28) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=947285 (tflink, 16:44:30) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 16:44:33) * AGREED: 947285 - RejectedBlocker - Recent test results indicate that this is no longer an issue and thus, is not a blocker. If it turns out that the issue still exists, ask reporter to clarify and repropose as blocker. (tflink, 16:48:47) * (960262) installer will not launch with valid IP but no internet connection (tflink, 16:48:55) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=960262 (tflink, 16:48:58) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 16:49:01) * AGREED: 960262 - This seems like something that wouldn't be a blocker for F19 beta (uncommon setup) but it would be nice to be certain that either KVM and bare-metal aren't affected or that it's just a long timeout. Request info from reporter, re-visit at next meeting (tflink, 16:58:12) * (960271) crash when setting RAID Name (tflink, 16:58:22) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=960271 (tflink, 16:58:23) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 16:58:23) * AGREED: 960271 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F19 beta release criterion for setting invalid RAID device name: "When using the custom partitioning flow, the installer must be able to Reject or disallow invalid disk and volume configurations without crashing." (tflink, 17:03:52) * (928645) gnome-initial-setup should set system keyboard layout as the default Input Source (tflink, 17:04:03) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=928645 (tflink, 17:04:06) * Proposed Blocker, gnome-initial-setup, NEW (tflink, 17:04:08) * AGREED: 928645 - It still isn't 100% clear what's going on here and more information is needed. Will re-visit when more testing has been done. (tflink, 17:10:04) * (948117) gnome-settings-daemon should default to ibus-kkc [ja] and ibus-libpinyin [zh_CN] (tflink, 17:13:42) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=948117 (tflink, 17:13:45) * Proposed Freeze Exceptions, gnome-settings-daemon, NEW (tflink, 17:13:47) * AGREED: 948117 - AcceptedFreezeException - This seems relatively low-risk and assuming that everything is accurate, a tested fix would be considered past freeze. (tflink, 17:20:10) * (922958) SELinux is preventing /usr/sbin/lightdm from 'create' accesses on the file .dmrc.T5D7TW. (tflink, 17:21:03) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922958 (tflink, 17:21:06) * Proposed Freeze Exceptions, selinux-policy, MODIFIED (tflink, 17:21:08) * AGREED: 922958 - AcceptedFreezeException - This causes AVC errors onlogin for lightdm which would be a blocker for primary DEs. Accepted as FE for F19 beta as lightdm is used in secondary DEs (tflink, 17:30:34) * (950487) AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'format' (tflink, 17:32:43) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=950487 (tflink, 17:32:46) * Accepted Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 17:32:49) * this was accepted 2 days ago (tflink, 17:34:00) * there has been some testing but nothing ATM which indicates that more people need to get involved (tflink, 17:34:40) * (958424) 19 Beta TC1 DVDs are oversized (larger than 4.7 GB) (tflink, 17:35:46) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=958424 (tflink, 17:35:49) * Accepted Blocker, distribution, NEW (tflink, 17:35:52) * the appropriate dev is aware of the problem, discussion is ongoing (tflink, 17:40:50) * (958426) 19 Beta TC1 Desktop Lives are oversized (larger than 1 GB) (tflink, 17:43:01) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=958426 (tflink, 17:43:04) * Accepted Blocker, distribution, NEW (tflink, 17:43:07) * this should be fixed, next beta TC should be within size restrictions (tflink, 17:44:45) * (920320) cinnamon does not start (tflink, 17:46:38) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=920320 (tflink, 17:46:38) * Accepted Freeze Exceptions, cinnamon, ASSIGNED (tflink, 17:46:38) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=961065 was just proposed as a beta blocker (robatino, 17:48:41) * fixed package is available, should work for TC4 (tflink, 17:53:27) * Open Floor (tflink, 17:55:30) Meeting ended at 18:03:08 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tflink (181) * adamw (134) * Viking-Ice (83) * brunowolff (34) * zodbot (10) * jreznik_ (4) * quup (3) * jreznik (2) * robatino (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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FAmNA Meeting (07 May 2013)
by inode0 07 May '13

07 May '13

======================= #fedora-meeting Meeting ======================= Meeting started by suehle_afk at 01:01:47 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-05-08/famna.2013-05-08… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (inode0, 01:03:42) * Announcements (inode0, 01:05:34) * FAmNA thanks Ruth for taking care of TXLF sponsorship and all the other stuff she takes care of (inode0, 01:06:06) * tickets (inode0, 01:09:20) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 (inode0, 01:10:24) * LINK: http://www.indianalinux.org/ (inode0, 01:14:16) * ACTION: MarkDude to get OLPC fixed ASAP and get dan408 the laptop that belongs in the west coast event box (dan408, 01:32:24) * Open Floor (inode0, 01:38:18) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FOSSCON_2013 (MarkDude, 01:39:35) * LINK: http://fosscon.org/speakers CFP (MarkDude, 01:39:51) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/60 (MarkDude, 01:40:40) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/61 (MarkDude, 01:50:35) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BAMF_Pi_FAD (MarkDude, 01:52:38) * LINK: http://www.shallowsky.com/ (MarkDude, 01:56:17) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BAMF (MarkDude, 01:58:14) Meeting ended at 02:02:40 UTC. Action Items ------------ * MarkDude to get OLPC fixed ASAP and get dan408 the laptop that belongs in the west coast event box Action Items, by person ----------------------- * dan408 * MarkDude to get OLPC fixed ASAP and get dan408 the laptop that belongs in the west coast event box * MarkDude * MarkDude to get OLPC fixed ASAP and get dan408 the laptop that belongs in the west coast event box * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * MarkDude (107) * inode0 (72) * dan408 (48) * nb (24) * rbergeron (20) * j_dulaney (19) * suehle (19) * award3535 (18) * kk4ewt (17) * KyleYankan (16) * zodbot (11) * biker (4) * suehle_afk (3) * spot (3) * davdunc (0) John

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2013-05-06 - Fedora QA Meeting - recap
by Adam Williamson 06 May '13

06 May '13

As always, minutes and IRC transcript available on the wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20130506 Next meeting is scheduled for 2013-05-13 at 1500 UTC in #fedora-meeting. If you have topics you think we should bring up at the meeting, please add them to the Wiki page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20130513 . Thanks! TOPIC: Previous meeting follow-up ======================================================================= * martix or adamw to write a Graphics Test Week recap email - we did not get around to this yet * tflink to do some promotion for the blocker bug proposal webapp - Tim wrote a blog post[1], he will write a list mail soon TOPIC: Fedora 19 Beta status/planning ======================================================================= * #959911[2] is a strange livecd-creator bug, we will keep an eye on it if we start having weird problems composing lives * TC3 is out and in testing, TC4 will come when appropriate TOPIC: Secondary arch freeze exceptions ======================================================================= * We agreed that secondary arch 'blocker' issues should be proposed as freeze exception issues and will be reviewed under the usual FE review process, but there will be a presumption in their favour (i.e. we will usually expect to accept them, and would need a good argument to reject them) TOPIC: Test Days ======================================================================= * Test_Day:2013-04-30_MariaDB[3] seemed to be poorly attended, adamw will see if we need to re-run it * Test_Day:2013-05-02_Internationalization[4] looks like it went off well and resulted in useful feedback * Test_Day:2013-05-07_ABRT[5] looks ready to go, we just need to do some announcing * Test_Day:2013-05-09_SSSD_Improvements_and_AD_Integration[6] needs a live image and some publicity TOPIC: Open floor ======================================================================= N/A Action items ======================================================================= * martix or adamw to write a Graphics Test Week recap email * tflink to write a list post announcing the blocker bug proposal webapp * brunowolff to update the FE guidelines to reflect the agreement (see above) * adamw to look into Test_Day:2013-04-30_MariaDB[3] lack of participation and see if we should re-run it * kparal to ensure abrt and sssd test days have live images ready * adamw to do some promotion for the test days 1. http://tirfa.com/a-new-way-to-propose-blocker-and-freezeexception-bugs.html 2. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=959911 3. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-04-30_MariaDB 4. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-05-02_Internationalization 5. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-05-07_ABRT 6. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-05-09_SSSD_Improvements_and_AD… -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net

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2013-04-29 - Fedora QA Meeting - recap
by Adam Williamson 06 May '13

06 May '13

As always, minutes and IRC transcript available on the wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20130429 Next meeting is scheduled for 2013-05-06 at 1500 UTC in #fedora-meeting. If you have topics you think we should bring up at the meeting, please add them to the Wiki page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20130506 . Thanks! TOPIC: Previous meeting follow-up ======================================================================= * adamw to complete Beta criteria update - this was done and announced on the list, the page[1] is in the new format now * adamw to add iscsi test case back to the matrix - this was done, and the test case made it to the matrices for Beta so far TOPIC: Fedora 19 Beta status/planning ======================================================================= * It seemed like things were on track for Beta TC1 TOPIC: Test Days ======================================================================= * Graphics Test Week went ahead and ran fine, numbers were a little down but some useful results * Test_Day:2013-04-30_MariaDB[2] looked like it was ready to go, but publicity was needed TOPIC: Open floor ======================================================================= * The new version of the blocker tracking webapp is now in production[3] with blocker proposing functionality included * We were not sure whether a MATE spin was planned for Beta or not Action items ======================================================================= * martix or adamw to write a Graphics Test Week recap email * tflink to do some promotion for the blocker bug proposal webapp 1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_19_Beta_Release_Criteria 2. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-04-30_MariaDB 3. https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net

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Fedora Chinese Meeting Minutes (2013-05-03)
by Alick Zhao 03 May '13

03 May '13

Hi all, The IRC meeting minutes tonight are available at the link [1]. Thanks everyone for attending the meeting. In the meeting we mainly talked about FUDCon APAC 2014 bid tasks, and FPWiki Zh page updates. Please review the proposed ideas and actions. The next IRC meeting will be held on next Friday (2013-05-10). Please come and join the discussion if you can! [1]: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2013-05-03/fedora-zh.2013-05-03-… ================== #fedora-zh Meeting ================== Meeting started by alick at 13:14:16 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2013-05-03/fedora-zh.2013-05-03-… . Meeting summary --------------- * 点名 (alick, 13:14:46) * FUDCON APAC 2014 举办申请 (alick, 13:17:24) * ACTION: alick acquire info about possible host place (alick, 13:34:51) * ACTION: dongfengweixiao acquire info about CAS as host (alick, 13:35:07) * ACTION: endle 汇总一下之前IRC中的场地信息，并发到邮件列表中 (endle, 13:45:20) * FPWiki Zh 页面的整理更新 (alick, 13:47:57) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FZUGCommunicate (alick, 13:48:58) * LINK: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2013-04-26/fedora-zh.2013-04-26-… (alick, 13:51:45) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:FZUGCommunicate (alick, 13:52:05) * IDEA: 个人认为，wiki 在刚接触 fedora 的人看来，是最权威的信息。所以，经由 wiki 推荐的页面，也应当以宁缺毋滥为原则 (endle, 13:55:17) * ACTION: endle 清理FZUGCommunicate的死链 (endle, 13:59:36) * LINK: http://planet.fedora-zh.org (endle, 14:00:52) Meeting ended at 14:13:27 UTC. Action Items ------------ * alick acquire info about possible host place * dongfengweixiao acquire info about CAS as host * endle 汇总一下之前IRC中的场地信息，并发到邮件列表中 * endle 清理FZUGCommunicate的死链 Action Items, by person ----------------------- * alick * alick acquire info about possible host place * dongfengweixiao * dongfengweixiao acquire info about CAS as host * endle * endle 汇总一下之前IRC中的场地信息，并发到邮件列表中 * endle 清理FZUGCommunicate的死链 * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * alick (68) * endle (36) * dongfengweixiao (31) * zodbot (8) * BadGirl (6) * amos (6) * Robin_cheese_Lee (5) * zsun_symbian (1) * microcai (1) * CyrusYzGTt (0) * gfrog (0) * tiansworld1 (0) * biergaizi (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- Alick Fedora 18 (Spherical Cow) user https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick

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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2013-05-02)
by Kevin Fenzi 02 May '13

02 May '13

============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2013-05-02) ============================================ Meeting started by nirik at 19:00:00 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-05-02/infrastructure.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * welcome y'all (nirik, 19:00:01) * New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks (nirik, 19:01:07) * sent out may fi-apprentice nag this morning. (nirik, 19:01:24) * Applications status / discussion (nirik, 19:06:03) * paste.fedoraproject.org is live and announced and in production now. Please file bugs if you notice any issues with it. ;) fpaste.org now redirects to it as well. (nirik, 19:06:41) * new fas-openid is live with a number of fixes. (nirik, 19:07:04) * OpenID endpoint now on HTTPS, should solve annoying warnings (puiterwijk, 19:07:16) * fedocal is setup in production, but not yet announced. I need to write up an announcement for it. ;) (nirik, 19:07:25) * we have a hyperkitty test list at: https://lists-dev.cloud.fedoraproject.org/hyperkitty/list/fedora-infrastruc… (nirik, 19:08:20) * blockerbugs is live and in production now. (nirik, 19:09:01) * will look at working on moving to gitolite3 as time/energy permits. (nirik, 19:18:02) * Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 19:18:44) * need to add any new apps to apps.fedoraproject.org (nirik, 19:19:39) * moved lists yesterday. Outage was 4 hours planned and ended up being something like 12. :( However, lists are moved and should be much quicker and less needy. (nirik, 19:20:44) * smooge getting KVM setup, should allow us to get 2 kernel dell boxes up and a ppc builder (nirik, 19:24:41) * will schedule update/reboot cycles next week. (nirik, 19:25:21) * ansible builder repo merging into main public ansible repo. Will be testing. (nirik, 19:31:50) * Private Cloud status update / discussion (nirik, 19:32:05) * Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 19:36:10) * 2013-05-02 nag fi-apprentices (nirik, 19:36:25) * 2013-05-08 drop inactive apprentices (nirik, 19:36:25) * 2013-05-14 to 2013-05-28 BETA infrastructure freeze (nirik, 19:36:25) * 2013-05-28 F19 beta release (nirik, 19:36:25) * 2013-05-31 end of 1st quarter (nirik, 19:36:25) * 2013-06-01 nag fi-apprentices (nirik, 19:36:26) * 2013-06-08 drop inactive apprentices (nirik, 19:36:27) * 2013-06-18 to 2013-07-02 FINAL infrastructure freeze. (nirik, 19:36:29) * 2013-07-01 nag fi-apprentices (nirik, 19:36:31) * 2013-07-02 F19 FINAL release (nirik, 19:36:33) * LINK: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/flock-planning/ (nirik, 19:39:01) * Open Floor (nirik, 19:39:40) Meeting ended at 19:45:51 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (126) * skvidal (65) * abadger1999 (18) * threebean (16) * smooge (16) * puiterwijk (11) * pvod (6) * oddshocks (5) * zodbot (4) * ausmarton (1) * cyberworm54 (1) * lmacken (0) * ricky (0) * mdomsch (0) * dgilmore (0) * CodeBlock (0) -- 19:00:00 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2013-05-02) 19:00:00 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu May 2 19:00:00 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:00 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 19:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 19:00:01 <nirik> #topic welcome y'all 19:00:01 <nirik> #chair smooge skvidal CodeBlock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean 19:00:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: CodeBlock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky skvidal smooge threebean 19:00:07 * abadger1999 here 19:00:08 * puiterwijk is around 19:00:12 * cyberworm54 here 19:00:13 * ausmarton is here 19:00:13 * skvidal is here 19:00:28 * oddshocks present 19:00:31 <smooge> is hre 19:00:41 <nirik> excellent. Nice turnout today. ;) 19:01:07 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks 19:01:15 <nirik> any new folks? or apprentices with questions? 19:01:24 <nirik> #info sent out may fi-apprentice nag this morning. 19:01:26 * pvod here 19:01:54 <pvod> I'm new 19:02:01 <nirik> I think it might be good to add some new easyfix tickets soon if people can think of easyfix tasks and be willing to help mentor new folks on them. 19:02:05 <oddshocks> pvod: welcome :) 19:02:07 <nirik> welcome pvod 19:02:26 <nirik> pvod: care to give a quick one line intro? are you more interested in sysadmin or application development? 19:02:35 <oddshocks> nirik: I agree, I fixed a few a couple weeks ago and would be willing to help on more 19:02:47 * threebean is here a little late 19:03:22 <nirik> I'll try and come up with some... but other established folks should try to as well. 19:03:58 <abadger1999> have we figured out how to get github tickets listed there? 19:04:11 <nirik> good question. not sure. pingou ? 19:04:12 <pvod> I'm 23 years old, from Bulgaria, I'm into GNU/linux since 2006 started of as a Debian user, now I'm working for HP Bulgaria as a release to production engineer UNIX and I work mostly with RHEL. 19:04:42 <threebean> yes, github tickets are listed on easyfix now. 19:04:43 <pvod> I prefer the sysadmin tasks 19:05:02 <abadger1999> threebean: cool. 19:05:13 <nirik> pvod: awesome. Do see me in #fedora-admin after the meeting and I can add you to our apprentice group if thats of interest to you. 19:05:27 <pvod> will do 19:05:30 <pvod> 10q 19:05:53 <nirik> ok... moving on then... 19:06:03 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 19:06:11 <nirik> any applications news? 19:06:12 <nirik> I have a few: 19:06:13 <threebean> oddshocks: if you see any tickets that jump out at you, take one by all means. if you want any suggestions, i guess lets talk in #fedora-apps afterwards? 19:06:41 <nirik> #info paste.fedoraproject.org is live and announced and in production now. Please file bugs if you notice any issues with it. ;) fpaste.org now redirects to it as well. 19:06:45 <puiterwijk> yes, last week I have changed some configuration parameters and made a new release of FAS-OpenID to make the endpoint serve on https, to be a bit safer, and give users less warnings etc 19:07:00 <smooge> yay! 19:07:03 <oddshocks> threebean: sure thing, just finishing up school cycles this very day so I will have more free time. also starting work on getting tahrir stood up on a FOSSBox server so we can issue badges, remy asked for that 19:07:04 <nirik> #info new fas-openid is live with a number of fixes. 19:07:16 <puiterwijk> #info OpenID endpoint now on HTTPS, should solve annoying warnings 19:07:22 <threebean> oddshocks++ 19:07:25 <nirik> #info fedocal is setup in production, but not yet announced. I need to write up an announcement for it. ;) 19:08:20 <nirik> #info we have a hyperkitty test list at: https://lists-dev.cloud.fedoraproject.org/hyperkitty/list/fedora-infrastruc… 19:08:30 <nirik> please subscribe and/or click around and test it out. ;) 19:09:01 <nirik> #info blockerbugs is live and in production now. 19:09:34 <nirik> any other apps new or discussion? 19:09:40 <threebean> last week I said I'd write an announcement for the new fedora-tagger.. I'm still waiting on some feedback from hughsie and on a couple bugfixes before I do that. 19:10:23 <nirik> fair enough. 19:10:36 <nirik> oh, that reminds me.... 19:10:56 <nirik> should bugz.fedoraproject.org go to packager now? or does the latest pkgdb still have that? 19:11:21 <nirik> I guess it goes to bugzilla frontpage now? 19:11:23 <abadger1999> nirik: pkgdb still has the bugz interface. There were some bugs with packages bugs interface but I don't know if they're still there? 19:11:32 <nirik> ok. 19:11:38 <threebean> yeah, i lost track of the status. 19:11:46 <nirik> yeah, I know we backed it out, but not sure if thats ready to try again or not 19:12:01 <threebean> I guess the next step would be to send out a call for testing again. 19:12:02 <abadger1999> in all honesty -- 19:12:28 <nirik> also, related we have new dates for bugzilla upgrades: 2013-05-08 - partner bugzilla upgrade. 2013-05-13 - bugzilla upgrade. 19:12:45 <abadger1999> the bugz interface is simple to keep in pkgdb... I'd much rather prioritise the things we've taken out of pkgdb already get put into packages and tagger. 19:12:53 <nirik> sure. 19:13:28 <threebean> abadger1999: sure, let's make a list and a ticket to track it after the meeting. 19:13:41 * nirik nods. sounds good. 19:13:53 <abadger1999> Sure. 19:14:11 <nirik> ok, any other app news? or shall we move on? 19:14:27 <abadger1999> pkgdb with reduced functionality went livethis week 19:14:35 <abadger1999> working well and no complaints so far. 19:14:40 <nirik> so far no complaints yeah. 19:14:42 <abadger1999> pingou has made a lot of progress on pkgdb2 19:15:13 <abadger1999> puiterwijk and I have been discussing migrating everything using jsonfas to openid for auth. he created a wiki page of apps. 19:15:14 <nirik> so, question there... pkgdb produces stuff for gitolite for the acls? 19:15:18 <abadger1999> The list is not long :-) 19:15:27 <abadger1999> nirik: correct. 19:15:42 <nirik> could we look at targeting new gitolite3 for the pkgdb2 stuff? 19:15:52 <puiterwijk> the list is at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenID/implementation_status if anyone know any apps that could use OpenID but missing from that list, feel free to add them 19:15:52 * nirik doesn't know if that makes it easier or harder or more parts. 19:16:09 <abadger1999> nirik: we could Right now, the design has a cron job that sits in the middle. 19:16:16 <abadger1999> the cron job is probably what needs modification. 19:16:32 <abadger1999> I don't know what gitolite3 needs... f13 wrote the gitolite integration. 19:16:50 <nirik> abadger1999: ok, I think it would be nice to move to 3.0... and skvidal I think talked to the gitolite maintainer not long ago and he offered to help us with any questions, etc. 19:16:58 <skvidal> I did 19:17:08 <skvidal> he hangs out in #git 19:17:08 * nirik recalls him being very nice and responsive. 19:17:11 <skvidal> and he's quite helpful 19:17:25 <skvidal> and he doesn't really like how we have gitolite setup now 19:17:30 <abadger1999> Cool. I don't know anything about either the current or new gitolite but the cron job is separate from the main pkgdb code so we should be able to work on that independently. 19:17:31 <threebean> this is on my fedmsg trigger list but that cronjob stumped me last time I checked. 19:17:49 <skvidal> I have an email from him in my inbox saying he will help us stop doing things that way ;) 19:17:55 <skvidal> <hint><hint> 19:17:55 <abadger1999> It's pretty much taking information in one format and spitting it out in another format. 19:18:02 <nirik> #info will look at working on moving to gitolite3 as time/energy permits. 19:18:44 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion 19:18:49 <nirik> so, lets see... 19:18:52 <puiterwijk> nirik: one more apps thing 19:18:59 <puiterwijk> we might want to add new applications to apps.fp.o 19:19:00 <nirik> oh, go ahead? 19:19:11 <nirik> ah yeah, agree. 19:19:12 <puiterwijk> I believe I missed some apps there 19:19:21 <puiterwijk> fedocal for example 19:19:39 <nirik> #info need to add any new apps to apps.fedoraproject.org 19:19:54 <nirik> threebean: is that something you can do? or we have a sop for so anyone can? 19:20:13 <nirik> on the sysadmin side... 19:20:35 * threebean nods 19:20:44 <nirik> #info moved lists yesterday. Outage was 4 hours planned and ended up being something like 12. :( However, lists are moved and should be much quicker and less needy. 19:21:09 <skvidal> w00t 19:21:10 <nirik> I'd like to schedule a update/reboot cycle for our cloud soon... next wed perhaps? 19:21:14 <skvidal> glad to have lists off of gluster and out of sb 19:21:25 <puiterwijk> skvidal: +1 19:21:27 <nirik> yeah, it's a LOT faster 19:21:32 * skvidal goes to schedule his PTO for next wednesday 19:21:36 <skvidal> LA LA LA LA 19:21:46 <nirik> or we could push it off some too. 19:21:49 <skvidal> no no 19:21:51 <skvidal> I'm kidding 19:21:57 <nirik> we also need to probibly do another mass reboot of other servers too 19:22:02 <skvidal> whenever you push it off to - that's when my PTO will start 19:22:04 <nirik> we have a kernel update pending that would be nice to apply 19:22:08 <nirik> :) 19:22:13 <skvidal> nirik: and libvirt 19:22:17 <skvidal> and an iptables patch just came out 19:22:20 <skvidal> not security 19:22:24 <skvidal> but it is has the conntrack thing 19:22:32 <skvidal> which, I think, would have helped us in sb 19:22:37 <skvidal> with their batshit routing 19:23:16 * nirik looks for when the freeze starts for beta. 19:23:22 <nirik> 2013-05-14 19:23:45 <smooge> I am trying to get our APC evaluation to work 19:24:09 <nirik> so, perhaps mass reboot next tuesday of all class a/b and cloud wed? 19:24:11 <smooge> so I can get the dell boxes and stuff installed 19:24:17 <smooge> nirik, sounds good to me 19:24:41 <nirik> #info smooge getting KVM setup, should allow us to get 2 kernel dell boxes up and a ppc builder 19:24:50 <smooge> well the ppc box no 19:24:55 <smooge> it uses a DVI connector 19:24:59 <nirik> no? ah, fun 19:25:10 <smooge> and the KVM is giving me all kinds of java errors 19:25:21 <nirik> #info will schedule update/reboot cycles next week. 19:25:27 <nirik> fun 19:25:34 <smooge> I am going to have to make a box to just run an oracle java to see if that will do it. 19:25:44 <smooge> It has been just a load of ... today 19:26:16 <nirik> yeah. ;( 19:26:32 <nirik> smooge: whats the status of the retrace02 instance? waiting on cert? 19:26:59 <smooge> I need to get a port punched through the firewall 19:27:07 <nirik> ah yeah, that too. 19:27:16 <smooge> and then do a DNS rename 19:27:21 <nirik> can you reply to them with status? just to keep them in the loop. 19:27:45 <smooge> I thought I did. Didn't you get it on Tuesday? 19:27:58 <smooge> I will do so again 19:28:12 <nirik> perhaps I did. I can check. I know they pinged me monday or something. 19:28:23 <nirik> anyhow, any other sysadminy things? 19:28:40 <skvidal> builders and ansible 19:28:51 <skvidal> I'm testing out the merge of all of the builders stuff into ansible 19:28:55 <nirik> indeed. ;) 19:28:58 <skvidal> so now all of our builders infra will be in an open repo 19:29:03 <nirik> excellent. 19:29:06 <skvidal> instead of a super-sekr3t isolated one 19:29:11 <skvidal> it's working thus far 19:29:15 <skvidal> and, curiously, is less code 19:29:28 <nirik> have you tested an arm one? 19:29:34 <skvidal> nope 19:29:43 <skvidal> just the x86ish ons 19:29:44 <nirik> ok, we should do that at some point... 19:29:46 <skvidal> yes 19:29:54 <nirik> also, I think we had the compose-x86 in there too? or no? 19:30:01 <skvidal> but I've not done that, either 19:30:06 <skvidal> I started with buildvm* 19:30:15 * oddshocks has to duck out... bye everyone! 19:30:16 <skvidal> just testing and getting the basics right 19:30:18 <nirik> yeah, makes sense. 19:30:27 <nirik> but good progress. ;) 19:30:30 <skvidal> and I have the config_builder broken out such tht it should work on any of them 19:30:35 <skvidal> so - much to test 19:30:42 <skvidal> but not without hope 19:31:19 <nirik> yep. I'd like to get back to getting working arm-qa/arm-releng playbooks. 19:31:50 <nirik> #info ansible builder repo merging into main public ansible repo. Will be testing. 19:31:56 <nirik> thanks skvidal 19:32:01 <skvidal> np 19:32:05 <nirik> #topic Private Cloud status update / discussion 19:32:16 <nirik> anything for cloud aside from updating/rebooting? 19:32:17 <skvidal> added cinder volume server on fed-cloud07 19:32:22 <skvidal> made that work 19:32:25 <skvidal> even documented it and stuff 19:32:27 * nirik wonders if there is a order we should do rebooting in? 19:32:42 <skvidal> nirik: I think the magic question will be - what we expect to have happen on restore 19:32:42 <nirik> yep. Saw the blog post... excellent. So, that should give us more room. 19:32:53 <skvidal> doubles the cinder volume space 19:33:08 <skvidal> so we bounce the cloud boxes 19:33:13 <nirik> last time I rebooted, I 'suspended' all the instances. 19:33:14 <skvidal> I don't think the instances come back 19:33:18 <nirik> which is like hibernate. 19:33:23 <nirik> and they did come back up 19:33:33 <nirik> (except for I think 2 of them for some reason?) 19:34:03 <skvidal> okay 19:34:08 <skvidal> so 19:34:10 <nirik> so, we could try that again... 19:34:12 <skvidal> for this time 19:34:14 <skvidal> let's do that 19:34:15 <nirik> or, just reboot/remake them 19:34:16 <skvidal> and document it 19:34:22 <nirik> ok 19:34:23 <skvidal> ideally - let's see if we can do it from the cli 19:34:33 <skvidal> b/c I'd like to be positive of the order of things 19:34:34 <nirik> of course what worked once won't always. ;) 19:34:36 <skvidal> just in cases 19:34:40 <skvidal> nirik: of course not 19:34:43 <skvidal> that's just silly 19:34:52 <nirik> and I'm sure no one else reboots their clouds. 19:35:00 <skvidal> why would you do such a thing? 19:35:08 <nirik> so once again we can blaze the trail! :) 19:35:24 <skvidal> in such radical things as "having your instances talk to each other" 19:35:27 <skvidal> and "routing" 19:35:33 <skvidal> and "removing ips you aren't using" 19:35:36 <skvidal> and "adding space" 19:35:46 <nirik> radical ideas. ;) 19:36:03 * skvidal puts on his big boots 19:36:06 <skvidal> for the TRAILBLAZING! 19:36:10 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 19:36:22 <nirik> info dump coming up: 19:36:25 <nirik> #info 2013-05-02 nag fi-apprentices 19:36:25 <nirik> #info 2013-05-08 drop inactive apprentices 19:36:25 <nirik> #info 2013-05-14 to 2013-05-28 BETA infrastructure freeze 19:36:25 <nirik> #info 2013-05-28 F19 beta release 19:36:25 <nirik> #info 2013-05-31 end of 1st quarter 19:36:26 <nirik> #info 2013-06-01 nag fi-apprentices 19:36:27 <nirik> #info 2013-06-08 drop inactive apprentices 19:36:29 <nirik> #info 2013-06-18 to 2013-07-02 FINAL infrastructure freeze. 19:36:31 <nirik> #info 2013-07-01 nag fi-apprentices 19:36:33 <nirik> #info 2013-07-02 F19 FINAL release 19:36:36 <nirik> any items folks would like to add/schedule ? 19:36:50 <nirik> Oh, I added the bugzilla updates on my list, but not on the one I pasted. ;) 19:37:00 <nirik> and I guess I could stuff all this in fedocal moving forward. 19:37:21 <smooge> flock 19:37:36 <nirik> yeah, although there are not final dates yet that I know of. 19:37:43 <nirik> 'around aug 9th' or so 19:38:19 <smooge> ah ok 19:38:22 <nirik> smooge: oh, another thing... you were going to migrate those last 2 lists ? is everything ready for that? 19:38:25 <skvidal> ait 19:38:28 <skvidal> flock? 19:38:32 <skvidal> where is the info? 19:38:57 <puiterwijk> skvidal: FUDCon US + FUDCon EMEA http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flock 19:39:01 <nirik> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/flock-planning/ 19:39:12 <skvidal> is that definitive now? 19:39:21 <puiterwijk> skvidal: as far as I know, yeah 19:39:26 <skvidal> ok 19:39:40 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 19:39:52 <nirik> any items for open floor or general questions/discussion? 19:40:33 <threebean> Any further discussion on those fedmsg/datanommer nagios checks? 19:41:05 <nirik> I replied with some thoughts, but I think any other way than the way you are doing it might be too complicated. 19:41:18 * threebean nods 19:41:52 <nirik> threebean: oh, another thing for the fedmsg list... should we look at optin ability on fedorahosted now? ie, a way for a project to opt in to git commits / trac tickets being announced? 19:41:56 <threebean> hoping to keep it simple. I'll set it up sometime soon and we can tweak the parameters as necessary, then. 19:42:13 <nirik> I think the majority of things there won't care. But, some projects might make sense to be on the fedora bus 19:42:18 * nirik nods 19:42:54 <threebean> nirik: Yeah, that sounds good. An automated optin system would be overkill I think, but if you know of any projects off hand that might want to be guinea pigs, can you send them my way? 19:43:20 <nirik> threebean: sure. yeah, we don't need automated, perhaps just a script? or a sop even. 19:43:40 <nirik> oh, is there any plan to fedmsg lists? or too much data? 19:44:05 <threebean> Just waiting on mailman3 and then some tinkering for that. 19:44:13 <nirik> ok, fair enough. 19:44:24 <nirik> might be worth working on the dev one in the cloud? 19:44:34 <threebean> yeah, cool. :) 19:44:56 <nirik> ok, anything else? or shall we close out? 19:45:48 <nirik> thanks for coming everyone! 19:45:51 <nirik> #endmeeting

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Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2013-05-01)
by Toshio Kuratomi 01 May '13

01 May '13

=================================== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2013-05-01) =================================== Meeting started by abadger1999 at 18:00:06 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-05-01/fesco.2013-05-01… . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (abadger1999, 18:00:11) * #1110 systemd preset for ipmi (abadger1999, 18:02:28) * LINK: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/users/packages/aledvink?acls=owner (abadger1999, 18:06:56) * ACTION: abadger1999 to ask for clarification in the ticket (abadger1999, 18:13:40) * #1111 systemd preset for ipmievd (abadger1999, 18:14:11) * ACTION: abadger1999 will ask for clarification on this ticket similar to 1110 (abadger1999, 18:23:56) * Clarify release name guidelines - Explicitly list blacklisted characters (abadger1999, 18:24:00) * Update release name guidelines to explicitly blacklist | & ; ( ) < > { } ' " # passes (+1:6, 0:0, -1:0) (abadger1999, 18:26:59) * Next week's chair (abadger1999, 18:27:07) * ACTION: jwb will chair nextweek's meeting (abadger1999, 18:29:19) * Open Floor (abadger1999, 18:29:27) Meeting ended at 18:46:25 UTC. Action Items ------------ * abadger1999 to ask for clarification in the ticket * abadger1999 will ask for clarification on this ticket similar to 1110 * jwb will chair nextweek's meeting Action Items, by person ----------------------- * abadger1999 * abadger1999 to ask for clarification in the ticket * abadger1999 will ask for clarification on this ticket similar to 1110 * jwb * jwb will chair nextweek's meeting * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * abadger1999 (43) * nirik (22) * jwb (20) * mitr (13) * sgallagh (12) * pjones (10) * zodbot (7) * suehle (3) * notting (3) * gholms (1) * mmaslano (0) * t8m (0) Meeting Log ------------------ 18:00:06 <abadger1999> #startmeeting FESCO (2013-05-01) 18:00:06 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed May 1 18:00:06 2013 UTC. The chair is abadger1999. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:06 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:08 <abadger1999> #meetingname fesco 18:00:08 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco' 18:00:09 <abadger1999> #chair abadger1999 jwb mitr mmaslano notting nirik pjones t8m sgallagh 18:00:09 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 jwb mitr mmaslano nirik notting pjones sgallagh t8m 18:00:11 <abadger1999> #topic init process 18:00:16 <pjones> morning, party people. 18:00:25 * notting is here 18:00:26 <jwb> hello 18:00:52 <mitr> Hello 18:00:56 <abadger1999> Good morning everyone, time for another fun and exciting fesco meeting :-) 18:01:08 <nirik> hello 18:01:13 <sgallagh> Ciao 18:01:55 <abadger1999> Well, that's seven, enough for quorum 18:02:26 <abadger1999> Pretty light schedule today: 18:02:28 <abadger1999> #topic #1110 systemd preset for ipmi 18:02:30 <abadger1999> .fesco 1110 18:02:31 <zodbot> abadger1999: #1110 (systemd preset for ipmi) â€“ FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1110 18:04:31 * notting attempts to parse this. he wants to install his own preset file based on the presence of hardware? 18:04:38 <sgallagh> So I'm not sure why this is coming to FESCo 18:05:13 <sgallagh> I don't see any indication that he's approached the maintainers of OpenIPMI or systemd about this. 18:05:41 <nirik> .bug 728436 18:05:42 <zodbot> nirik: Access Denied - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=728436 18:05:45 <nirik> nice 18:05:53 <mitr> sgallagh: He is a maintainer of OpenIPMI 18:06:18 <mitr> the maintainer, even 18:06:26 <sgallagh> ok 18:06:56 <abadger1999> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/users/packages/aledvink?acls=owner 18:07:00 <sgallagh> I still don't quite understand what he's asking for, or what exception he's seeking. 18:07:11 <abadger1999> OpenIPMI, freeipmi, and ipmitool 18:07:33 <sgallagh> Is he basically just asking for permission to autostart a daemon? 18:08:51 <mitr> to load modules, or whatever http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/OpenIPMI.git/tree/openipmi-helper does 18:09:17 <mitr> Isn't this covered by the first sentence in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Starting_services_by_default as "up to individual maintainer" already? 18:10:13 <mitr> "Except this proposal violates â€‹https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PackagePresets by taking back it's preset management" ... I have no idea what that means I'm afraid (and I didn't ask, my bad) 18:10:30 * nirik is also somewhat confused as to exactly what they want to do here. 18:11:38 <nirik> so, perhaps we should ask them more specifically what they wish? 18:11:53 <nirik> or, are they on irc anywhere? 18:12:47 <mitr> Today is a holiday in Czech republic, AFAICS he isn't online 18:12:53 <nirik> ok 18:13:05 <pjones> yeah, I think we just have to get him to explain further 18:13:23 <abadger1999> k. i'll ask him to clarify what he wants 18:13:25 <pjones> Possibly with a note that if none of us can figure out what he's asking, we're going to lean towards denying the request ;) 18:13:40 <abadger1999> #action abadger1999 to ask for clarification in the ticket 18:14:00 <nirik> perhaps ask for a diff of specific changes they want? 18:14:06 <abadger1999> <nod> 18:14:11 <abadger1999> #topic #1111 systemd preset for ipmievd 18:14:13 <abadger1999> .fesco 1111 18:14:14 <zodbot> abadger1999: #1111 (systemd preset for ipmievd) â€“ FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1111 18:14:22 <abadger1999> Another request from the same maintainer. 18:15:07 <nirik> depends on the last ticket too 18:15:30 <abadger1999> Overall question -- are systemd presets supposed to be managed by packages? 18:15:46 <mitr> Per https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PackagePresets it is centralized 18:15:48 <nirik> we never got too clear an answer. 18:15:53 <nirik> or at least I don't recall one 18:16:05 <abadger1999> I thought default enable/disable was managed a different way in packages and presets were for distro/spin level 18:16:17 <nirik> see https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/945 18:16:26 <mitr> (we didn't get any _useful_ results out of presets because the spin policy hasn't been written) 18:16:39 * nirik nods. 18:17:17 <mitr> abadger1999: The https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:ScriptletSnippets?rd=Packaging/Scr… macros don't let packages specify enabled/disabled 18:18:16 <abadger1999> mitr: " Services can either be enabled or disabled by default. To determine which case your specific service falls into, please refer to FESCo's policy here: Starting_services_by_default." ? 18:18:25 <nirik> well, I thought the idea was central default then things like spins could ship their own 18:18:58 <gholms> nirik: Right, but we don't have a policy for spins that want to ship their own yet. 18:19:05 <mitr> Perhaps that both of the tickets should actualy be filed against systemd in bugzilla, but at least the #1110 is unclear enough that I'd rather wait for clarification 18:19:17 <mitr> abadger1999: See the paragraph starting "If your package includes one or more systemd units that need to be enabled by default on package installation, they need to be covered by the default Fedora preset policy." 18:19:17 <pjones> perhaps we should at least wait for the other thing to be clarified since this is clearly related 18:19:23 <pjones> mitr: exactly 18:19:34 <nirik> gholms: yep. 18:21:07 <abadger1999> mitr: ah I think I see what you're saying. 18:21:36 <abadger1999> so one thing I should say in the tickets is that packages do not add their own presets. 18:21:49 <abadger1999> they get placed into one ofthe existing presets 18:22:37 <abadger1999> and the maintainer might need to re-architect the way his autodetection works to make that possible. 18:23:26 <abadger1999> anyhow... sounds like this one can't be approved without further info either. 18:23:56 <abadger1999> #action abadger1999 will ask for clarification on this ticket similar to 1110 18:24:00 <abadger1999> #topic Clarify release name guidelines - Explicitly list blacklisted characters 18:24:07 <pjones> We meant: | & ; ( ) < > { } ' " # 18:24:15 <pjones> And we are deeply remorseful that the manual for the shell treats tokenization points and operators as the same thing. 18:24:40 <abadger1999> <nod> 18:24:42 * nirik nods. fine with me. typing this line is already more than I care about this topic. ;) 18:25:30 <abadger1999> Proposal: Update guideline to explicitly list out the bad characters: | & ; ( ) < > { } ' " # 18:25:32 <abadger1999> +1 18:25:35 <pjones> +1 18:25:36 <sgallagh> +1 18:25:42 <jwb> +1 18:25:59 <notting> +1 18:25:59 <nirik> +1 18:26:18 <abadger1999> That's 6, proposal passes. I'll update the page 18:26:59 <abadger1999> #info Update release name guidelines to explicitly blacklist | & ; ( ) < > { } ' " # passes (+1:6, 0:0, -1:0) 18:27:07 <abadger1999> #topic Next week's chair 18:27:13 <abadger1999> Who wants the potato? 18:27:34 <jwb> i'll bite 18:29:01 <nirik> make sure you cook the potato... raw ones are not that tasty. ;) 18:29:19 <abadger1999> #action jwb will chair nextweek's meeting 18:29:27 <abadger1999> #topic Open Floor 18:29:27 <jwb> i am secretly hoping a meeting won't be needed, but hey 18:29:31 <jwb> i have something 18:29:57 <abadger1999> You have the floor :-) 18:30:19 <jwb> so spot sent out a proposal for how the flock conference schedule is going to work. if that stands, they want a member FESCo to help review proposals and set the schedule 18:30:36 <jwb> review talk/hackfest/etc proposals that is 18:30:49 <jwb> if nobody else is interested in doing that, i'll volunteer 18:30:55 <jwb> thoughts? 18:31:07 * nirik is happy to have jwb do it. Hope there's lots of good proposals 18:31:40 <abadger1999> I could volunteer too but if we only need one I'm happy for jwb to do it :-) 18:31:59 <sgallagh> Ditto with abadger1999 18:32:12 <sgallagh> Has flock nailed down a date yet? 18:32:34 <jwb> afaik, not specifically. "around the 9th of august" is the best we have 18:32:43 <sgallagh> Also, where did he send out that proposal? 18:32:53 <jwb> flock-planning@lists 18:32:57 * sgallagh suspects it was on one or both of the remaining mailing lists he hasn't subscribed to 18:33:26 <jwb> basically, spot, rbergeron, suehle, and one member from the Board, FESCo, and FAMSCo 18:33:35 <jwb> to create the conference committee 18:34:05 <jwb> his post has not gathered a ton of feedback yet. the feedback it has gathered has been positive 18:34:25 <nirik> I think it's a reasonable idea... 18:34:26 <sgallagh> jwb: It might be worth expanding it to a more heavily-subscribed list 18:34:58 * jwb wonders if spot is listening 18:35:04 <nirik> I suspect he was looking for feedback on the plan before spreading it out to more lists, etc. 18:36:40 <jwb> anyway, that's all i had. if someone REALLY wants to be the FESCo rep, let me know. otherwise i'll plan on it 18:38:18 <nirik> just as a reminder: there's a lists.fedoraproject.org outage starting at 21:00UTC today... 18:38:42 <jwb> REPRIEVE 18:38:48 <jwb> uh.. i mean... 18:38:49 * suehle chimes in with a lack of information about dates... The College of Charleston is pushing back on the room reservations, so we're trying to satisfy their needs. It's between orientation and school starting, so it's a challenge. 18:39:09 <jwb> thanks suehle 18:40:11 <suehle> the intended time frame is around August 9-13 18:41:08 <pjones> August in Charleston. 18:41:10 <pjones> Wonderful. 18:41:36 <suehle> Better than January in Blacksburg IMO 18:42:22 <mitr> (Is Flock timing a FESCo topic?) 18:42:32 <abadger1999> mitr: it could sorta kinda be... 18:43:09 <jwb> not really. i think we can close the meeting. 18:43:21 <abadger1999> but I think it would have to be something like: no one on fesco/few of our packagers can attend at that time -- ask flock-planning committee to reconsiderthe schedule. 18:43:36 <abadger1999> and I'd think the planning committee would already have heard if that were the case. 18:44:34 * abadger1999 will close in 2 minutes if there's nothing further. 18:46:25 <abadger1999> #endmeeting

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F19 Beta Blocker Bug Review #2 Minutes
by Tim Flink 01 May '13

01 May '13

================================================ #fedora-blocker-review: f19beta-blocker-review-2 ================================================ Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-blocker-review/2013-05-01/f19beta-b… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-blocker-review/2013-05-01/f19beta-b… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-blocker-review/2013-05-01/f19beta-b… Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (tflink, 16:01:31) * Introduction (tflink, 16:11:44) * Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. (tflink, 16:11:51) * We'll be following the process outlined at: (tflink, 16:12:07) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting (tflink, 16:12:07) * The bugs up for review today are available at: (tflink, 16:12:25) * LINK: http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/19/beta/buglist (tflink, 16:12:25) * The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at: (tflink, 16:12:34) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_19_Beta_Release_Criteria (tflink, 16:12:34) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_19_Alpha_Release_Criteria (tflink, 16:12:37) * Up for review today, we have: (tflink, 16:12:39) * 3 Proposed Blockers (tflink, 16:12:46) * 4 Accepted Blockers (tflink, 16:12:46) * 8 Proposed Freeze Exceptions (tflink, 16:12:46) * 2 Accepted Freeze Exceptions (tflink, 16:12:46) * (954371) F19 Alpha fedup hangs after booting 'System Upgrade' (tflink, 16:14:06) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=954371 (tflink, 16:14:09) * Proposed Blocker, fedup, ON_QA (tflink, 16:14:12) * AGREED: 954371 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F19 beta release criterion: "For each one of the release-blocking package sets, it must be possible to successfully complete an upgrade from a fully updated installation of the previous stable Fedora release with that package set installed." (tflink, 16:21:35) * (946906) Gnome fails QA:Testcase_Desktop_Updates (tflink, 16:21:48) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=946906 (tflink, 16:21:49) * Proposed Blocker, PackageKit, NEW (tflink, 16:21:49) * AGREED: 946906 - RejectedBlocker - It was confirmed that the notification is displayed on more recent releases. Anything beyond the initial notification is outside the scope of the blocker process (tflink, 16:32:37) * (957554) preupgrade dependancy conflicts with fedup - preventing fedup upgrade path (tflink, 16:33:39) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=957554 (tflink, 16:33:42) * Proposed Blocker, PackageKit, NEW (tflink, 16:33:45) * AGREED: 957554 - RejectedBlocker - This is currently not an issue for installing fedup on F18 and thus the bug can be closed (tflink, 16:48:57) * (957922) gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.23-13.fc18.i686 or gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.23-13.fc18.x86_64 remains following fedup f18 --> f19 as no f19 rpm exists (tflink, 16:54:47) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=957922 (tflink, 16:54:51) * Proposed Freeze Exceptions, gstreamer-plugins-bad-free, NEW (tflink, 16:54:53) * AGREED: 957922 - RejectedFreezeException - fc18 packages remaining on a system upgraded to fc19 does not impact the usability of the system and thus does not qualify as a Freeze Exception (tflink, 16:56:45) * (957924) gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.31-5.fc18.i686 or gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.31-5.fc18.x86_64 remains following fedup F18 --> f19 (tflink, 16:56:49) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=957924 (tflink, 16:56:52) * Proposed Freeze Exceptions, gstreamer-plugins-good, NEW (tflink, 16:56:54) * AGREED: 957924 - RejectedFreezeException - fc18 packages remaining on a system upgraded to fc19 does not impact the usability of the system and thus does not qualify as a Freeze Exception (tflink, 16:57:32) * (957926) NetworkManager-pptp-0.9.3.997-3.fc18.i686 or NetworkManager-pptp-0.9.3.997-3.fc18.x86_64 remains following fedup f18 --> f19 due to lack of fc19.rpm (tflink, 16:57:51) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=957926 (tflink, 16:57:54) * Proposed Freeze Exceptions, NetworkManager-pptp, NEW (tflink, 16:57:56) * AGREED: 957926 - RejectedFreezeException - fc18 packages remaining on a system upgraded to fc19 does not impact the usability of the system and thus does not qualify as a Freeze Exception (tflink, 16:58:22) * (957931) perl-Carp-1.26-242.fc18.noarch remains following fedup f18 --> f19 upgrade (tflink, 16:58:30) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=957931 (tflink, 16:58:33) * Proposed Freeze Exceptions, perl, MODIFIED (tflink, 16:58:36) * AGREED: 957931 - RejectedFreezeException - fc18 packages remaining on a system upgraded to fc19 does not impact the usability of the system and thus does not qualify as a Freeze Exception (tflink, 16:59:22) * (957935) ustr-1.0.4-13.fc18.i686 or ustr-1.0.4-13.fc18.x86_64 remain following fedup f18 --> f19 due to no ustr.fc19.rpm (tflink, 16:59:31) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=957935 (tflink, 16:59:34) * Proposed Freeze Exceptions, ustr, NEW (tflink, 16:59:36) * AGREED: 957935 - RejectedFreezeException - fc18 packages remaining on a system upgraded to fc19 does not impact the usability of the system and thus does not qualify as a Freeze Exception (tflink, 17:00:05) * (948099) Apper ignores "never check for updates" option (also on the live image) (tflink, 17:02:00) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=948099 (tflink, 17:02:03) * Accepted Blocker, PackageKit, MODIFIED (tflink, 17:02:06) * it sounds like the issue has been worked around for now, will need testing (tflink, 17:05:21) * (958436) Fedora 19 Beta TC1 install images do not boot correctly - fall to an emergency shell (tflink, 17:06:36) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=958436 (tflink, 17:06:39) * Accepted Blocker, systemd, NEW (tflink, 17:06:41) * this was just filed, nothing to do at this point (tflink, 17:09:05) * all non-live components to beta TC1 seem affected (tflink, 17:10:38) * Open Floor (tflink, 17:12:05) Meeting ended at 17:17:52 UTC. 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FAmNA Meeting (30 April 2013)
by inode0 30 Apr '13

30 Apr '13

====================== #fedora-meeting: FAmNA ====================== Meeting started by inode0 at 01:04:04 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-05-01/famna.2013-05-01… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (inode0, 01:04:25) * Announcements (inode0, 01:07:32) * Flock is progressing - join the planning and watch for more announcements coming (inode0, 01:08:41) * Tickets (inode0, 01:10:40) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 (inode0, 01:10:44) * Open Floor (inode0, 01:14:03) * Small order of Fedora pencils is in the works - probably won't cause many backflips (inode0, 01:14:42) * LINK: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/flockinfo (dan408, 01:24:52) * LINK: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/flock-planning (dan408, 01:26:37) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/58 (davdunc, 01:28:59) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/TXLF_2013 (inode0, 01:35:09) * LINK: http://fosscon.org/ (MarkDude, 01:39:34) * LINK: http://fosscon.org/speakers (MarkDude, 01:40:50) Meeting ended at 02:05:15 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * inode0 (68) * dan408 (48) * MarkDude (27) * JonathanD (21) * j_dulaney (16) * award3535 (15) * davdunc (13) * HannahEeps (9) * zodbot (8) * xm4n (5) * kk4ewt (1) John

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