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APAC meeting Summary = Saturday, July 20th, 2013 at 04:00 UTC
by Suresh Packiyarajah 20 Jul '13

20 Jul '13

Hello All, ====================== #fedora-meeting: FAmAPAC ====================== Meeting started by FranciscoD at 04:01:32 2013 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-07-20/apac_meeting_201… http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-07-20/apac_meeting_201… http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-07-20/apac_meeting_201… ============================== ================= Meeting summary --------------- * Init process (FranciscoD, 04:01:56) * Announcements (FranciscoD, 04:04:37) * The docs team can use a lot of help right now, tracking the new features that will need to be documented. (FranciscoD, 04:05:58) * The marketing team can also use quite a bit of help. (FranciscoD, 04:06:45) * LINK: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2013-July/001390.html (tuanta, 04:11:23) * LINK: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2013-July/003174.html (suresht, 04:12:13) * the board is considering dedicating F20 to Seth (FranciscoD, 04:13:30) * there will probably be an event dedicated to Seth at Flock also. A cycling event from what I read on the fudcon-planning list. (FranciscoD, 04:13:52) * Review actions from previous meeting (FranciscoD, 04:17:17) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2013-06-22#Review_a… (FranciscoD, 04:17:19) * Trac tickets (FranciscoD, 04:19:16) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2013-06-22#Trac_tic… (FranciscoD, 04:19:19) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/report/9 (FranciscoD, 04:19:27) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F19_Hanoi (FranciscoD, 04:21:30) * AGREED: Approved nangthang 's request for funds for a release party (FranciscoD, 04:31:09) * ACTION: FranciscoD update ticket https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/88 (FranciscoD, 04:31:21) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F19_Cantho (FranciscoD, 04:32:07) * If anyone has reservations about https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F19_Cantho, please comment on the ticket https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/84 (FranciscoD, 04:38:54) * Open floor (FranciscoD, 04:40:35) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/333#comment:8 (tuanta, 04:42:17) * ACTION: tuanta to send a personal email to invite kushal to take CC holder for APAC (tuanta, 04:47:57) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Klaten,_Indonesia_2013 (FranciscoD, 04:48:44) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Activity_Day_-_FAD (FranciscoD, 04:49:58) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_organize_a_FAD (FranciscoD, 04:50:05) Meeting ended at 05:09:21 UTC. Action Items ------------ * FranciscoD update ticket https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/88 * tuanta to send a personal email to invite kushal to take CC holder for APAC Action Items, by person ----------------------- * FranciscoD * FranciscoD update ticket https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/88 * kushal * tuanta to send a personal email to invite kushal to take CC holder for APAC * tuanta * tuanta to send a personal email to invite kushal to take CC holder for APAC * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * FranciscoD (162) * tuanta (98) * sentabi_ (26) * zodbot (17) * kushal (13) * suresht (13) * KageSenshi (11) * nangthang (8) * nangthang_ (4) * vanhonit (3) * jsmith (3) * mribeirodantas (2) Thanks, Suresh

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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2013-07-18)
by Kevin Fenzi 18 Jul '13

18 Jul '13

============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2013-07-18) ============================================ Meeting started by nirik at 19:00:02 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-07-18/infrastructure.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * welcome everyone (nirik, 19:00:02) * New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks (nirik, 19:02:43) * Applications status / discussion (nirik, 19:07:27) * have 63 badges done now. (nirik, 19:16:41) * LINK: http://blog.olasd.eu/2013/07/bootstrapping-fedmsg-for-debian/ (threebean, 19:16:43) * #debian-fedmsg over on irc.oftc.net for debian messages. ;) (nirik, 19:17:02) * LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages (threebean, 19:19:38) * new packages app to production (nirik, 19:19:42) * Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 19:24:59) * nirik to be at phx2 29th - 31st (nirik, 19:25:25) * koji outage starts in about 1.5 hours later today. (nirik, 19:27:14) * work on our rbac-playbook wrapper script has moved forward, ready to test (nirik, 19:28:19) * hope to have our new bladecenter working sometime soon. (nirik, 19:29:02) * Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 19:34:46) * LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/ (nirik, 19:34:46) * Open Floor (nirik, 19:36:37) * LINK: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/meetbot/meetbot/meetbot/meetbot/fedora-mee… (nirik, 19:38:35) Meeting ended at 19:44:44 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (86) * threebean (21) * oddshocks (15) * smooge (12) * Jairo (7) * abadger1999 (7) * tdk2fe (7) * rhaen (6) * zodbot (4) * sheap (4) * tflink (4) * kilted1 (3) * mdomsch (3) * mahrud (1) * samkottler (1) * cyberworm541 (1) * Smoother1rOgZ (1) * lmacken (1) * relrod_n4 (1) * dgilmore (1) * ricky (0) * CodeBlock (0) -- 19:00:02 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2013-07-18) 19:00:02 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jul 18 19:00:02 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:02 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:02 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 19:00:02 <nirik> #topic welcome everyone 19:00:02 <nirik> #chair smooge CodeBlock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean 19:00:02 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 19:00:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: CodeBlock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky smooge threebean 19:00:17 * cyberworm541 is here 19:00:22 * tflink is lurking 19:00:33 * abadger1999 here 19:00:39 <sheap> here! 19:00:44 * Smoother1rOgZ is around 19:00:52 * threebean is here! 19:01:46 * kilted1 waves 19:02:14 <smooge> here 19:02:16 <rhaen> here. 19:02:23 * oddshocks 19:02:29 <nirik> ok, I guess we should go ahead and dive on in... 19:02:43 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks 19:02:57 <nirik> any new folks like to introduce themselves? or apprentices with questions or comments? 19:03:06 <Jairo> Hi all 19:03:08 <sheap> Hi everyone, I'm new here 19:03:14 <Jairo> Me too 19:03:25 <nirik> cool. welcome. 19:03:33 <Jairo> thanks 19:03:40 <nirik> are you more interested in sysadmin or application development type things? 19:03:41 <oddshocks> sheap: Welcome to Fedora-land! 19:03:44 <threebean> Hi Jairo, sheap. :) 19:03:49 <Jairo> sysadmin 19:03:51 <oddshocks> Jairo: welcome! 19:03:57 <sheap> Thanks everyone! 19:04:27 * relrod_n4 here...ish. 19:05:00 <nirik> if sysadmin, I can help you get started after the meeting over in #fedora-admin... if apps we have #fedora-apps ready for your questions. ;) 19:05:23 <mahrud> nirik: hmm, is that a new channel? 19:05:44 <nirik> not really... been around a while now. year or two? 19:06:45 <nirik> so, sheap / Jairo: welcome, and do chime in with questions and hang out in #fedora-admin / #fedora-noc / #fedora-apps. :) 19:07:15 <sheap> I've been silently watching in admin/noc. Interesting to see what's going on 19:07:23 <nirik> excellent. 19:07:27 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 19:07:34 <nirik> Any application news? 19:07:48 <Jairo> I'm lost in how start or find a task 19:08:00 <threebean> Jairo: oh, have you seen pingou's "easyfix" app? 19:08:11 <Jairo> no 19:08:15 <dgilmore> hey all 19:08:16 <threebean> Jairo: https://fedoraproject.org/easyfix/ 19:08:34 <threebean> Jairo: its a list of tickets aggregated from a variety of our trackers that have been marked (appropriately or not) as "easyfix" 19:08:51 <threebean> meaning, they could be a good first ticket to take on. 19:09:24 <Jairo> Thanks, now I take a look 19:09:27 * nirik nods. 19:09:52 <nirik> also, it's often good to hang out in our irc channels and ask about issues people are talking about... that can often get you involved in the solution. 19:10:07 <threebean> in application news, I got some websocket updating working on the badges staging app -> https://apps.stg.fedoraproject.org/badges 19:10:18 <threebean> if you let it sit and watch the leftmost column, it should update as new badges are awarded by the backend. 19:10:55 <nirik> nice. ;) 19:11:07 <lmacken> I'm probably going to do a bodhi update during the koji outage too with a few bugfixes 19:11:16 <nirik> are we planning on starting fresh when we deploy in prod? or copying the existing staging db? 19:11:31 <nirik> lmacken: cool, sounds good. 19:11:35 <threebean> start fresh, I think. 19:11:58 <oddshocks> I vote start fresh 19:12:03 * nirik nods. just wondering, no biggie to me either way 19:12:04 <oddshocks> We've already wiped the DB many times 19:12:06 <oddshocks> in staging 19:12:24 <oddshocks> The highest I've seen the user count at was about 800, which is sweet :) 19:12:44 <nirik> how many badges are we up to? 19:13:09 <threebean> 62 + the flock badge = 63 19:13:23 <nirik> nice. 19:13:25 <oddshocks> Plus, mizmo and Jenn are almost done with all of the art for em :) 19:13:31 <oddshocks> they look awesome *digs up link from mizmo* 19:13:48 <nirik> wonder if we shouldn't do a brainstorm session sometime for some more. Would be cool to start with 100+ or something. 19:13:52 <threebean> yeah! 40~50 of those done. only a dozen or so are actually loaded into the stg app at this point. 19:14:16 <oddshocks> these are mizmo's: http://i.imgur.com/j5RL1Gr.png 19:14:32 <rhaen> oddshocks: oh, they do look very nice, indeed 19:14:40 <nirik> yeah, very nice. 19:14:50 <oddshocks> and you can see Jenn's in some cases on staging, or here: https://github.com/oddshocks/badges/tree/master/art (assuming she PR'd me the latest bits) 19:14:56 <oddshocks> #agree 19:14:59 * samkottler is sorry he's late 19:15:15 <tdk2fe> Hello all 19:15:21 * oddshocks waves 19:15:25 <nirik> samkottler: no worries, welcome. 19:15:32 <nirik> hey tdk2fe 19:15:56 <threebean> nirik: I'm out on PTO next week. we could do a brainstorming session on tuesday the 30th? 19:15:58 <nirik> I also think it's pretty cool that the debian folks have their fedmsg setup running along now. ;) Very cool. 19:16:27 <nirik> threebean: I'll be in phx2 then... perhaps that friday? 19:16:31 * threebean nods 19:16:33 <threebean> sounds good 19:16:41 <nirik> #info have 63 badges done now. 19:16:43 <threebean> #link http://blog.olasd.eu/2013/07/bootstrapping-fedmsg-for-debian/ 19:17:02 <nirik> #info #debian-fedmsg over on irc.oftc.net for debian messages. ;) 19:17:18 <oddshocks> ahh awesome they have a channel for it, too 19:17:20 <oddshocks> so cool 19:17:33 <nirik> yeah, its getting a ton of traffic because they have their bug tracker hooked up 19:17:36 <tdk2fe> so is there a formal start to the meeting? Or is 19:00 UTC a suggestion for when to arrive :) 19:17:52 <nirik> tdk2fe: yes, we start at 19UTC sharp. ;) (17min ago) 19:18:08 <tdk2fe> Ah 19:18:16 <nirik> tdk2fe: if you're new, welcome... more interested in sysadmin or application development or both? 19:18:20 <tdk2fe> I won't interrupt further, then 19:18:26 <tdk2fe> Sysadmin 19:18:30 <nirik> no problem at all... :) 19:18:44 <nirik> ok, do see me in #fedora-admin after the meeting and we can get you pointed in the right direction. 19:18:53 <threebean> tdk2fe: (welcome!) 19:18:55 <tdk2fe> (I'm at work right now so if I take a bit to respond I apologize) 19:18:58 <tdk2fe> Thanks! 19:19:11 <nirik> any other application news upcoming? 19:19:28 <threebean> oh, I pushed a new release of the fedora-packages app to production 19:19:38 <threebean> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages 19:19:42 <nirik> #info new packages app to production 19:19:49 <nirik> any exciting changes? or just small bugfixes? 19:19:50 <threebean> fixed some bugs in the updates view 19:19:55 <threebean> small stuff :) 19:20:04 <nirik> ok 19:20:10 <mdomsch> mirrormanager is still struggling a bit 19:20:30 <nirik> mdomsch: yeah, crawler issues? 19:20:33 <mdomsch> crawler is hanging 19:20:42 <nirik> :( 19:21:22 <nirik> mdomsch: oh, can you make a fedora-rawhide-install thing that points to rawhide fedup images like we do for say fedora-19-install ? (one step needed for fedup to support upgrading to rawhide) 19:21:51 <mdomsch> ok 19:22:19 <nirik> (not urgent at all, just happened to remember it) 19:22:39 <nirik> abadger1999: you said there might be a new voting app update soon? 19:23:16 <abadger1999> nirik: yeah -- fchiulli has just about finished the rewrite. 19:23:26 <abadger1999> I think we could deploy and test.. 19:23:41 <nirik> cool. we can look at migrating it to ansible / per application instance(s) 19:23:46 <abadger1999> not sure about doing the next release naming vote in it -- that might be cutting it close 19:23:58 <nirik> well, we are already overdue on that vote. ;( 19:24:03 <abadger1999> otoh, release naming is fairly low impact even if it is the most voted in election :-) 19:24:31 <abadger1999> <nod> 19:24:31 <nirik> yeah. 19:24:57 <nirik> ok, moving on then... 19:24:59 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion 19:25:08 <nirik> Lets see... 19:25:14 <abadger1999> Once the rewrite is deployed, it will be time for people to start thinking about how to enhance the app again -- I think it's a pretty straight port. So plenty of UI warts will be carried over. 19:25:25 <nirik> #info nirik to be at phx2 29th - 31st 19:25:34 <nirik> abadger1999: yeah. 19:25:47 <nirik> I'm going to schedule a outage for the 30th. 19:26:13 <nirik> during which we will roll up everything on updates and I will be adding memory/disk to various virthosts. 19:27:14 <nirik> #info koji outage starts in about 1.5 hours later today. 19:27:19 <smooge> weee 19:27:37 <nirik> I think I am mostly all setup for that. 19:27:50 <nirik> I predict there will be lots of people who didn't pay attention asking about it however. 19:28:19 <nirik> #info work on our rbac-playbook wrapper script has moved forward, ready to test 19:29:02 <nirik> #info hope to have our new bladecenter working sometime soon. 19:29:08 <nirik> anything else sysadmin wise? 19:30:53 <smooge> I am trying to find out ab 19:30:55 <tflink> nirik: has there an announcement about the outage on the 30th? 19:31:04 <nirik> tflink: yes, to devel-announce. 19:31:12 <smooge> geez.. me no type good 19:31:20 <smooge> I am updating some certs on the websties 19:31:32 <nirik> oh, sorry, no not yet 19:31:49 <nirik> tflink: was going to wait a bit, because if I announce too much in advance people forget about it. 19:31:52 <smooge> I am hardlinking a lot of data over to archive so that will be ready 19:32:16 <nirik> smooge: cool. Can you also make sure that the certs are in nagios to be monitored for expire? 19:32:22 <tflink> nirik: ok, making sure I hadn't missed anything 19:32:28 <smooge> I will add that 19:32:51 <nirik> tflink: hopefully it will not be too long, but pulling and adding memory always takes longer than you expect. 19:32:51 <smooge> I am on hold for a bunch of stuff 19:33:01 <smooge> that will probably all come about at the same time 19:33:13 <tflink> nirik: sure, just wanted to be sure I knew about any autoqa downtime 19:33:16 <nirik> of course. ;) 19:33:50 <nirik> tflink: probibly won't directly affect autoqa... I don't think we are doing anything to that virthost/qa hosts. 19:34:03 <nirik> although, if you need me to do anything to those qa hosts, please do let me know. 19:34:46 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 19:34:46 <nirik> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/ 19:34:55 <nirik> anything anyone would like to note or plan upcoming? 19:36:37 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 19:36:45 <nirik> any items for open floor? questions or comments/ 19:36:46 <nirik> ? 19:37:02 <rhaen> Nice introduction to ansible, yesterday, nirik 19:37:37 <rhaen> thanks for this. 19:38:04 <nirik> oh yeah, I should note that here... 19:38:08 <kilted1> is there a transcript to that meeting somewhere? 19:38:35 <nirik> http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/meetbot/meetbot/meetbot/meetbot/fedora-mee… 19:38:41 <nirik> just was getting it. ;) 19:38:58 <nirik> so, thats a short intro to what we have so far on our ansible deployment and questions and issues we need to solve. 19:39:18 <smooge> I am working on some "how to test on your own" stuff 19:39:33 <smooge> so you can "test" things on a vm local to you to get an idea 19:39:43 * threebean saves that link 19:39:50 <rhaen> is there anything like rspec/cucumber for ansible playbooks? 19:39:56 <nirik> yep. I use ansible here at home as well... it's very easy to get started playing around with it. 19:40:37 <nirik> rhaen: not that I know of... playbooks are pretty simple to write... 19:41:13 <nirik> just include any existing roles or tasks or add specific plays... 19:41:14 <rhaen> nirik: k, they are easy, true - do you recommend a yaml editor / vim plugin/ something? 19:41:18 <kilted1> smooge: very cool, I would be interested in that 19:41:33 <nirik> I've just been using plain vim. There might be some plugin for yml that would make it neater. ;) 19:41:34 <smooge> I hope to have it by next thursday 19:42:50 <nirik> ok, if nothing else will close out in a minute 19:44:41 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone! 19:44:44 <nirik> #endmeeting

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EMEA ambassadors meeting minutes 2013-07-17
by Jiri Eischmann 17 Jul '13

17 Jul '13

Hi, we had another EMEA ambassadors meeting minutes tonight. The meeting lasted for 1 hour and 47 minutes and 15 ambassadors attended. If you'd like to know more, read the minutes: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-07-17/emea_ambassadors… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-07-17/emea_ambassadors… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-07-17/emea_ambassadors… The next meeting will be at 20:00 UTC on July 31st. Meet you in two weeks! Jiri

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Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2013-07-17)
by Miloslav Trmač 17 Jul '13

17 Jul '13

#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2013-07-17) =================================== Meeting started by mitr at 18:00:48 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-07-17/fesco.2013-07-17… . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (mitr, 18:00:54) * ACTION: mitr Update FESCo meeting process page for election results (mitr, 18:04:26) * #1132 libtool + %global _hardened_build 1 = no full hardening (mitr, 18:05:53) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1132 (mitr, 18:05:57) * AGREED: apply kludge to redhat-rpm-config now, ask libtool maintainer to come up with a more sustainable/better fix in libtool and drop kludge when no longer needed (+5) (mitr, 18:15:49) * #1135 F20 System Wide Change: Fedora 20 Boost 1.54 Uplift - (mitr, 18:16:50) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/F20Boost154 (mitr, 18:16:52) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1135 (mitr, 18:16:56) * AGREED: F20 System Wide Change: Fedora 20 Boost 1.54 Uplift was accepted (+6) (mitr, 18:19:12) * #1137 F20 Self Contained Changes (mitr, 18:19:32) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1137 (mitr, 18:19:36) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SharedCertificateTools (mitr, 18:21:38) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SDDMinsteadOfKDM (mitr, 18:21:42) * LINK: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel-announce/2013-July/001181.h… (mitr, 18:21:50) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Virt_Manager_Snapshots (mitr, 18:21:54) * AGREED: Self-contained changes from ticket #1137 are accepted (+7) (mitr, 18:23:10) * #1136 F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture - (mitr, 18:23:25) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ARM_as_Primary (mitr, 18:23:27) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1136 (mitr, 18:23:31) * LINK: http://stg.fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options#2nd_arches (nirik, 18:31:07) * AGREED: "build ARM on primary infrastructure. whether it is released as a primary Fedora 20 or as 'Fedora 20 for ARM' depends on how well it fulfills release criteria and functionality criteria closer to release time" (+5) (mitr, 19:24:46) * Next week's chair (mitr, 19:25:08) * Marcela has volunteered to be the next week's chair (mitr, 19:25:10) * Open Floor (mitr, 19:25:15) * Mass rebuild - https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5655 (mitr, 19:25:43) * ACTION: mitr ask Perl SIG to think about ways of speeding the Perl rebuild up (mitr, 19:39:13) * There is a Koji storage outage tomorrow/friday (mitr, 19:39:38) * AGREED: start mass rebuild as soon as perl rebuild is merged back and redhat-rpm-config is patched for libtool, but no earlier than Jul 20 (+6) (mitr, 19:40:45) * Open Floor (mitr, 19:40:49) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoBinDeps -- submitted this week so I don't know if we want to discuss it -- I think the question as stated in the Change is not a Change but an FPC issue -- but it would be helpful to FPC if fesco discussed the basic issue of whether we want UsrMove to imply that we've "merged /bin with /usr/bin" or that we've "replaced /bin with /usr/bin" (abadger1999, 19:40:58) * AGREED: FESCo prefers "merged /bin and /usr/bin" (mitr, 19:51:01) Meeting ended at 19:53:38 UTC. Action Items ------------ * mitr Update FESCo meeting process page for election results * mitr ask Perl SIG to think about ways of speeding the Perl rebuild up

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FAmNA Meeting (17 Jul 2013)
by inode0 16 Jul '13

16 Jul '13

====================== #fedora-meeting: famna ====================== Meeting started by inode0 at 01:00:14 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-07-17/famna.2013-07-17… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (inode0, 01:00:27) * Announcements (inode0, 01:03:45) * Agenda (inode0, 01:07:00) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 (inode0, 01:07:20) * Open Floor (inode0, 01:34:28) Meeting ended at 01:39:59 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * inode0 (48) * award3535 (27) * handsome_pirate (10) * MarkDude (8) * zodbot (7) * nb (4) * suehle (2) John

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Fedora Docs Meeting Minutes 15July2013
by Pete Travis 15 Jul '13

15 Jul '13

==================================================================================================== #fedora-meeting: Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings ==================================================================================================== Meeting started by randomuser at 14:00:23 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-07-15/fedora_docs.2013… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (randomuser, 14:00:23) * Follow up on last week's action items (randomuser, 14:06:13) * ACTION: randomuser to prep beats for F20 (randomuser, 14:06:50) * Guide Status (randomuser, 14:07:35) * docs writers should subscribe to devel-announce for important project announcements. Discussions usually follow on devel@ (randomuser, 14:33:47) * LINK: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel-announce (randomuser, 14:33:56) * LINK: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel (randomuser, 14:34:10) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/20/ChangeSet (randomuser, 14:37:28) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes (randomuser, 14:41:31) * Outstanding BZ Tickets (randomuser, 14:43:07) * LINK: http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84 (randomuser, 14:43:14) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_Review_Table (randomuser, 14:54:26) * Open Floor Discussion (randomuser, 14:56:14) Meeting ended at 14:58:38 UTC. Action Items ------------ * randomuser to prep beats for F20 Action Items, by person ----------------------- * randomuser * randomuser to prep beats for F20 * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * randomuser (60) * lnovich (21) * _terminal_ (11) * croberts (11) * jhradilek (9) * jreznik (7) * Capesteve (6) * zodbot (3) * jjmcd_ (2) * yruseva (1) * pbokoc (1) * pkovar (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- -- Pete Travis - Fedora Docs Project Leader - 'randomuser' on freenode - immanetize(a)fedoraproject.org

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Fedora Chinese Meeting Minutes (2013-07-12)
by Alick Zhao 12 Jul '13

12 Jul '13

Hi all, The IRC meeting minutes tonight are available at the link [1]. Thanks everyone for attending the meeting. In the meeting we talked about Fedora 19 Release Party Beijing, FUDCon APAC 2014 bid progress, and so on. Please review the proposed ideas and actions. The next IRC meeting will be held on next Friday (2013-07-19). Please come and join the discussion if you can! [1]: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2013-07-12/fedora-zh.2013-07-12-… ================== #fedora-zh Meeting ================== Meeting started by alick at 13:01:16 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2013-07-12/fedora-zh.2013-07-12-… . Meeting summary --------------- * 点名 (alick, 13:02:01) * F19 发行派对 (alick, 13:07:08) * LINK: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/chinese/2013-July/013361.html (alick, 13:08:15) * AGREED: F19 Release Party 日期定于 2013-08-03 (alick, 13:21:20) * FUDCON APAC 2014 申办筹备 (alick, 13:58:31) Meeting ended at 14:00:57 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * alick (63) * cicku (36) * tonghuix (16) * biergaizi (15) * microcai (9) * zsun_symbian (8) * zodbot (6) * BadGirl (2) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Askbot: Where are the theme changes?
by Ankur Sinha 11 Jul '13

11 Jul '13

Hi, I thought I'll look at completing the theme so we can think of finally moving it to production. Just one problem, I can't locate how the staging fedora theme was done. It doesn't appear to be a hotfix, and it doesn't appear to be a setting change from live settings either. Could some one please point me to where the modifications were made? I've filed a ticket to track the issue[1] I also noticed that the theme doesn't work well with cell phones, or probably smaller screens in general. Here's what it looks like[2]. Some additional work will be required to get the logo etc. to resize, I guess. [1] http://db.tt/D891hAe7 [2] https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3884 -- Thanks, Warm regards, Ankur (FranciscoD) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha Join Fedora! Come talk to us! http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Join_SIG

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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2013-07-11)
by Kevin Fenzi 11 Jul '13

11 Jul '13

============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2013-07-11) ============================================ Meeting started by nirik at 18:59:59 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-07-11/infrastructure.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * welcome y'all (nirik, 18:59:59) * New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. (nirik, 19:02:20) * nirik has slacked and not done his monthly apprentice group purge yet... will do it later today. If you're an existing apprentice, please reply to the status update email. :) (nirik, 19:05:39) * moment of silence (nirik, 19:06:20) * Applications status / discussion (nirik, 19:08:33) * LINK: https://apps.stg.fedoraproject.org/badges/ (threebean, 19:10:29) * LINK: http://sources.debian.net/src/calibre/0.7.7%2Bdfsg-1squeeze1 (nirik, 19:18:03) * LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/guake/contents (pingou, 19:18:19) * LINK: http://codesearch.debian.net/about (nirik, 19:18:49) * see #fedora-apps if you are interested in working on codesearch or showing code for pkgs (nirik, 19:21:12) * Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 19:23:24) * nirik to be in phx2 july 29-31st (nirik, 19:24:39) * outage for the 30th to add memory and drives to systems, etc. (nirik, 19:25:00) * koji outage next week... thursday night and friday. (nirik, 19:25:14) * nirik to plan an ansible session next week to bring people up to speed and discuss plans. (nirik, 19:30:24) * Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 19:44:25) * LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/ (nirik, 19:44:25) * Open Floor (nirik, 19:45:51) Meeting ended at 19:52:32 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (96) * smooge (35) * threebean (20) * pingou (20) * abadger1999 (16) * rhaen (15) * dgilmore (6) * zodbot (4) * oddshocks (4) * rbergeron (3) * tflink (2) * mdomsch (2) * kushal (1) * lmacken (1) * ricky (0) * CodeBlock (0) -- 18:59:59 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2013-07-11) 18:59:59 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jul 11 18:59:59 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:59:59 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:59:59 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 18:59:59 <nirik> #topic welcome y'all 18:59:59 <nirik> #chair smooge CodeBlock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean 18:59:59 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 18:59:59 <zodbot> Current chairs: CodeBlock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky smooge threebean 19:00:29 <nirik> who all is around? 19:00:30 * pingou here 19:00:33 * threebean is here 19:00:38 * rhaen is here 19:00:58 * lmacken 19:01:43 <dgilmore> hey 19:02:13 <nirik> ok, lets go ahead then... 19:02:17 <smooge> here 19:02:17 * tflink is lurking 19:02:20 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. 19:02:29 <oddshocks> yo 19:02:30 <nirik> any new folks like to say hi, or apprentices with questions? 19:02:39 <rhaen> Here. 19:03:04 <rhaen> Hello fedora team, I am a sysadmin/dev in real life 19:03:05 <kushal> just hi 19:03:10 <rhaen> and would like to join. 19:03:13 <threebean> rhaen: hi :) 19:03:17 <nirik> welcome rhaen 19:03:20 * oddshocks waves at rhaen 19:03:22 <pingou> welcome rhaen 19:03:23 * rhaen bows. 19:03:31 <nirik> are you more interested in sysadmin or development stuff? or both? 19:03:58 <rhaen> nirik: actually, I haven't wrapped my mind around it. I am spending building packages for the company I am working for 19:04:05 <rhaen> and do lots and lots of puppet coding 19:04:17 <rhaen> So I think I could help with the puppet stuff. 19:04:22 <nirik> rhaen: ok. we do use puppet, but we are moving to ansible. ;) 19:04:38 <nirik> help with things is always welcome. ;) 19:04:43 <rhaen> oh, that's not an issue - 19:04:55 <rhaen> I am looking forward to :) 19:04:55 <nirik> see me after the meeting and I can add you to our apprentice group to look around... 19:05:04 <rhaen> sure! Thanks, nirik 19:05:09 <nirik> also... 19:05:39 <nirik> #info nirik has slacked and not done his monthly apprentice group purge yet... will do it later today. If you're an existing apprentice, please reply to the status update email. :) 19:06:20 <nirik> #topic moment of silence 19:06:56 <nirik> as most of you know, we lost our friend and fedora family member skvidal this week. 19:07:29 <nirik> please do keep him and his family and friends in your thoughts. 19:07:44 <nirik> and be patient with us as we all try and move forward. 19:08:33 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 19:08:53 <nirik> any news in the application world... 19:09:18 <abadger1999> anyone who wants to review this pull request is invited to do so: https://github.com/fedora-infra/python-fedora/pull/45 19:09:35 <abadger1999> it's a pretty invasive change to python-fedora's client. 19:09:39 <abadger1999> more eyes are better. 19:10:10 * threebean nods 19:10:29 <threebean> #link https://apps.stg.fedoraproject.org/badges/ 19:10:58 <threebean> badges are moving ahead. we've been struggling with css recently. there's plenty of other work to be done, but there's progress. 19:11:19 <abadger1999> One of puiterwijk's comments: https://github.com/fedora-infra/python-fedora/pull/45#discussion-diff-50073… needs input -- I think we should be doing something about that but I'm not sure we should be doing it as part ofthis pull request/release or the next release. 19:11:53 <nirik> threebean / oddshocks are we on target to give badges in prod at flock? or hard to say? 19:12:10 <threebean> nirik: on track, yes. 19:13:05 <nirik> abadger1999: so with this we could look at implementing 2fa in the webapps? it would require more work on each of them? or is plugin? 19:13:40 <pingou> nirik: they will all require more work anyway at, least the input field (unless they use openid) 19:13:46 <abadger1999> nirik: it is the first step for the client. 19:13:52 <nirik> ok. 19:14:01 <abadger1999> it makes it so the client has an api that can handle otps 19:14:05 <abadger1999> (in two different ways) 19:14:18 <abadger1999> the servers then need to be able to handle the otps. 19:14:37 <nirik> might be nice to add a planning doc to the wiki with the various stages of what we are thinking... in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Infrastructure_Planning 19:15:09 <abadger1999> I think that really requires that we modify fas to handle them... SmootherFrOgZ had some work to do that but he might have to modify it a bit since the clientside api is different than what he originally wrote. 19:15:31 <abadger1999> once fas is modified, we can look at modifying fas_openid and other webapps that use fas to authenticate. 19:15:42 <nirik> k 19:16:30 <nirik> one sidenote to mention.. 19:17:22 <nirik> sources.debian.org popped up not long ago. its a flask app to search/show sources for all their packages. It might be a neat thing to have for us, and could mean just implemeting in packages? 19:17:40 <threebean> shows package contents? 19:17:50 * nirik gets an example 19:17:57 <pingou> threebean: packages has this but needs to be fixed 19:18:03 <nirik> http://sources.debian.net/src/calibre/0.7.7%2Bdfsg-1squeeze1 19:18:19 <pingou> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/guake/contents 19:18:27 <nirik> they also have a search function via that 19:18:34 <nirik> not sure if it's flask or something else. 19:18:49 <nirik> http://codesearch.debian.net/about 19:18:52 <nirik> ha, it's in 'go' 19:18:59 <smooge> oooooooooh 19:19:24 <nirik> anyhow, not that we need more things, but this might be a nice side project or good way to get involved if someone finds it interesting. 19:19:37 * threebean nods 19:19:48 <pingou> the front-end is flask indeed 19:20:20 <pingou> threebean: isn't/wasn't packages searching content as well at some point? 19:21:09 <threebean> I don't think so 19:21:12 <nirik> #info see #fedora-apps if you are interested in working on codesearch or showing code for pkgs 19:21:21 <threebean> it ought to though.. should just be a matter of adding it to xapian during the indexing cronjob. 19:21:34 <pingou> +1 19:21:41 <pingou> I miss-remember then 19:22:18 <nirik> anyhow, any further apps news? or shall we move on? 19:22:45 <threebean> nah, none here. 19:22:57 <nirik> just to note: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/report/15 is the list of our hotfixes currently. :) Do consider new releases before f20alpha to clean up some. 19:23:24 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion 19:23:31 <nirik> so, on the sysadmin side... 19:24:07 <nirik> I'm still more commited than ever to moving to ansible, but our progress will be definitely slowed as Seth was working on our tooling. ;( 19:24:33 <threebean> yeah :/ 19:24:39 <nirik> #info nirik to be in phx2 july 29-31st 19:25:00 <nirik> #info outage for the 30th to add memory and drives to systems, etc. 19:25:14 <nirik> #info koji outage next week... thursday night and friday. 19:25:20 <abadger1999> nirik: for ansible -- are we at a place where we could have a 1-2 hour irc or google hangout training? 19:25:38 <abadger1999> ie -- what the various folders in the ansible git repo are for. 19:25:47 <abadger1999> walk through of creating a new host for a particular purpose. 19:26:19 <abadger1999> maybe some common things that get changed like proxies, app servers? 19:26:20 <nirik> abadger1999: possibly. The thing that was being worked on was the parts to allow non sysadmin-main to run playbooks on hosts they could sudo on, and a trigger/cronjob to run playbooks on changes. I was hoping to get those in place and then do some training... 19:26:31 <abadger1999> <nod> 19:26:50 <nirik> I'd be happy to do a irc/hangout meetup tho to help get people up to speed... 19:26:58 <rhaen> are vagrant boxes an option for this? 19:27:00 <nirik> and solicit help/ideas for the parts we still need. 19:27:11 <nirik> rhaen: nope, we don't use vagrant. ;) 19:27:34 <pingou> do we want to do it online or at flock? 19:27:46 <pingou> (one being not entirely against the other of course) 19:27:50 <nirik> rhaen: we actually have the virt setup story down pretty nicely... you can just define variables in ansible and it makes it for you, installs, and runs playbooks. 19:28:12 <rhaen> nirik: yep, got it - already looked into it. 19:28:31 <nirik> I think vagrant is premade images? (I've not used it much tho, so not sure) 19:28:39 <nirik> pingou: we could do both possibly. 19:28:40 <rhaen> I thought just for the training to provide anyone with a "fedora alike" environment for testing and educational stuff 19:28:57 <nirik> rhaen: ah, I see, misunderstood... yeah, you can use any box you like to play with ansible. 19:29:01 <tflink> vagrant also doesn't work well with other-than-virtualbox vms, IIRC 19:29:27 <rhaen> tflink: true, it supports vmware, too - however no kvms 19:29:36 <nirik> how about I try and setup a time next week sometime? and we can at least gather and I can show what we have now and we can plan and see what our gaps are? 19:29:51 <pingou> sounds good 19:29:52 <abadger1999> nirik: sounds good. 19:30:19 <threebean> nirik: for the "run playbooks on changes" trigger.. did you have a git hook in mind? 19:30:24 <nirik> #info nirik to plan an ansible session next week to bring people up to speed and discuss plans. 19:31:09 <nirik> threebean: yeah. We (well, Seth) was going to be more clever than that tho... and figure out what hosts were affected by the change. So, if you check in a badges01 change it would only re-run the badges playbook. 19:31:15 <smooge> looks like someone doesn't like freenode again 19:31:35 <threebean> nirik: yeah, I'm thinking about it now. 19:31:43 <nirik> we wanted to move to a more triggered model than a run every 30min model that we have in puppet. 19:31:46 <oddshocks> smooge: yep 19:31:56 <nirik> sometimes of course you can't tell, and have to just run everything. 19:31:57 <threebean> but, a smart git hook would be cool? you push, and it updates only hosts that need updating? 19:32:11 <smooge> threebean, yeah 19:32:43 <nirik> threebean: yeah, although we also talked about making it time delayed a bit... ie, so you could commit and someone could see your commit and tell you about a mistake before it ran... 19:32:49 <nirik> but thats all up in the air. 19:33:17 <pingou> I remembered that last part 19:33:22 <oddshocks> that sounds cool. 19:33:57 <nirik> in some cases I like that our puppet commits run out after a delay... 19:33:57 <threebean> cool.. 19:34:08 <nirik> in other cases, it's something urgent and you really would prefer fast. 19:34:37 <threebean> idea -> it would be cool if zodbot published a link to ansible git diffs when we push so review can happen faster. 19:34:40 <threebean> at least, be more public. 19:34:50 <nirik> yep. I'm all for that. 19:34:58 <pingou> nirik: aren't these the same most of the time (ie: urgent -> overlooked? :)) 19:35:05 <nirik> sometimes. ;) 19:35:23 <pingou> threebean: fedmsg? :) 19:35:43 <threebean> pingou: https://gist.github.com/ralphbean/5963084 19:35:49 <smooge> well if zodbot listened to fedmesg and published them 19:36:11 <pingou> threebean: <3 #9 19:36:18 <nirik> fedmsg would be ok with me too I guess... although not sure how interesting those messages would be to many fedmsg consumers. 19:36:36 <nirik> but I guess they can filter them if they don't care. 19:36:50 <nirik> lets see... other sysadmin stuff... 19:37:01 <pingou> nirik: you don't want your desktop notifications of commit on ansible ? :) 19:37:06 <nirik> smooge: any news on new bladecenter, bvirthost replacements or memory ordering? ;) 19:37:16 <smooge> nope 19:37:25 <nirik> pingou: might be amusing. I mostly just watch #fedora-fedmsg tho 19:37:28 <smooge> I am getting a quote on memory. and I will be putting it in tomorrow 19:37:39 <smooge> I have been spending most of my week on a GNOME hardware issue 19:37:39 <nirik> smooge: the bvirthosts should be ready to order right? 19:37:42 <nirik> yeah. ;( 19:38:02 <smooge> nirik, I believe so I will do so after I get my allergy shot after this meeting 19:38:15 <nirik> smooge: oh, also, where were we with that other ppc box? 19:38:25 <smooge> completely unknown. 19:38:48 <smooge> I will ping shaun on it 19:38:49 <nirik> it was racked? or we don't even know that? 19:39:21 <smooge> I thought it was racked but I can't find the email on it 19:39:40 <smooge> what I thought was it was the other ppc that we are removing 19:39:44 <nirik> oh yeah, and on the other ppc box... we were waiting for nfs network to get them added to koji.. 19:39:58 <nirik> should finish that up if we can. 19:40:41 <nirik> ok, any other sysadmin type stuff? 19:40:48 <smooge> oh email ticket was put into system about bladecenter. 19:40:58 <smooge> nirik, I need you to go look at fed-cloud03 19:41:12 <nirik> smooge: ok, can do after meeting? 19:41:32 <smooge> I believe its eth0 is now pointing to the internet but I can't get into it because well its uhm pointing to the internet with an 172 ip 19:41:42 <dgilmore> nirik: we could always not use it for createrepo 19:42:16 <smooge> dgilmore, ? with all the net noise not sure what you are talking about 19:42:20 <nirik> dgilmore: yeah, although they have a lot of memory and will mostly be sitting there doing nothing, so it seems like createrepo would be something productive for them. ;) 19:42:32 <nirik> smooge: the ppc01/ppc02 instances on the first new ppc box. 19:42:57 <smooge> dgilmore, I believe it should be a quick edit and push to the puppet repo 19:43:11 <smooge> the internal puppet repo for netapps not ours 19:43:22 <nirik> smooge: they are on the nfs network on eth1 now? 19:43:31 <smooge> I believe so 19:43:56 <smooge> I tested pinging and such 19:44:13 <nirik> cool, we can finish that up then. 19:44:25 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 19:44:25 <nirik> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/ 19:44:31 <smooge> by the way. I found our backup AIX knowledge person who can help us 19:44:36 <nirik> anything upcoming folks would like to schedule or note? 19:44:39 <nirik> smooge: excellent. 19:44:42 <smooge> rbergeron, 19:44:45 <nirik> sad that we need one. 19:44:51 <nirik> ha! nice! 19:45:51 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 19:45:59 <nirik> any items for open floor? 19:45:59 <smooge> ok I think we are going to need to set aside some time at Flock for a bunch of things 19:46:06 <rbergeron> smooge: NO 19:46:17 <dgilmore> rbergeron: NO? 19:46:19 <nirik> smooge: yeah, we always have quite a list. ;) 19:46:26 <smooge> sorry rbergeron you laid out your darkest secret about AIX and I jumped on it 19:46:36 <smooge> because I am a rat bastard 19:47:04 <rbergeron> smooge: i have a 13 year old ppc aix box if you need me to send it to you 19:47:25 <smooge> see rbergeron you can use it to test the commands for our LPARs 19:47:33 <smooge> and you are in PHX 19:47:43 <smooge> its all win 19:47:46 <rbergeron> i love when a plan comes together 19:47:54 <nirik> heh 19:48:21 <dgilmore> rbergeron: we love you 19:48:48 <nirik> ok, anything else from anyone, or shall we call it a meeting? 19:48:53 <smooge> ok for the Flock stuff I think it is mainly going to be not cool stuff :/. 19:49:12 * mdomsch will have to miss flock :-( 19:49:18 <dgilmore> smooge: i have a list for you to do ;) 19:49:22 <dgilmore> mdomsch: :( 19:49:25 <smooge> :( 19:49:41 <nirik> mdomsch: :( Thats very sad news. 19:49:47 <smooge> mdomsch, I notice you mention it after I said it was not cool stuff. 19:50:00 <mdomsch> smooge: not entire coincidental :-) 19:50:04 <pingou> mdomsch: arf :( 19:50:04 <smooge> that was a lie. It is really we are going to do it on the Aircraft Carrier Yorktown 19:50:16 <threebean> woo! 19:50:19 <smooge> and there is cake 19:50:25 <nirik> punch and pie. 19:50:30 <pingou> smooge: you know what they say about cake 19:50:32 <pingou> and spoon 19:51:08 <smooge> ok well I don;'t have anything 19:51:19 <nirik> ok, will close out in a minute if nothing more. 19:52:29 <nirik> thanks for coming everyone. 19:52:32 <nirik> #endmeeting

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Summary/Minutes irc support sig meeting (2013-07-11)
by Kevin Fenzi 11 Jul '13

11 Jul '13

============================================= #fedora-meeting: IRC Support SIG (2013-07-11) ============================================= Meeting started by nirik at 17:59:59 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-07-11/irc-support-sig.… . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (nirik, 17:59:59) * Week in review (nirik, 18:03:19) * ticket #152 It should be possible to file tickets that aren't visible to the public (nirik, 18:09:16) * Open Floor (nirik, 18:12:54) Meeting ended at 18:24:26 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (42) * DiscordianUK (31) * Khaytsus (10) * dvanstone (10) * kushal (7) * mjg59 (5) * zodbot (3) * EvilBob (2) -- 17:59:59 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2013-07-11) 17:59:59 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jul 11 17:59:59 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:59:59 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:59:59 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig 17:59:59 <nirik> #topic init process 17:59:59 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig' 18:01:12 <dvanstone> o/ 18:01:45 * nirik waves. waits a min more for folks. 18:02:20 <dvanstone> I am rather impressed with the fedup upgrade method very little cleanup afterward 18:02:23 * DiscordianUK is here 18:02:51 <DiscordianUK> not an issue for now Dvanstone 18:02:54 <nirik> yeah, from what I have seen it's been much better for folks... 18:03:01 <nirik> of course nothing is 100% 18:03:19 <nirik> #topic Week in review 18:03:20 <dvanstone> just scraped off some orphans and reinstalled the video 18:03:30 <nirik> anything from the previous week folks would like to shout out? 18:04:36 <DiscordianUK> steady trickle of folks grumbling about anaconda i guess 18:04:49 <nirik> less so than 18 tho... so we are making progress I hope. 18:05:14 <DiscordianUK> but I think generally f19 has proved better for most 18:05:37 <nirik> yeah, seems a nice solid release, IMHO. 18:06:06 <Khaytsus> It hasn't eaten any of my cats yet. 18:06:13 <DiscordianUK> I've had one success and one less successful install 18:07:23 * nirik has had no problems here really. 18:07:26 <dvanstone> DiscordianUK� had some xfce panel issue and gnome seems faster than f17 haven't played in 19 much yet 18:07:31 <DiscordianUK> But congrats to the qa team and everyone 18:07:50 <DiscordianUK> I have no gettys on the ttys on the laptop 18:08:16 <nirik> dvanstone: weird. I'd be happy to try and help with the panel issue in #fedora sometime... 18:08:16 * Khaytsus hands DiscordianUK a Rush CD 18:08:21 <DiscordianUK> but that's just an isolated issue 18:08:27 <nirik> DiscordianUK: weird. they should auto spawn 18:08:39 <DiscordianUK> i'll reinstall the laptop 18:08:52 <DiscordianUK> they do here on the desktop 18:09:03 <nirik> huh. ok 18:09:05 <dvanstone> nirik it was adding a spacer and expanding it - solved 18:09:09 <nirik> shall we move on to tickets? 18:09:14 <nirik> dvanstone: ah, ok. 18:09:16 <nirik> #topic ticket #152 It should be possible to file tickets that aren't visible to the public 18:09:28 <DiscordianUK> hmmm 18:09:42 <Khaytsus> Next 18:09:54 <nirik> I added my comments in ticket. Personally, I think mentioning to the fedora-ops channel these kinds of things would be enough... I really think private sekret tickets are a bad idea. 18:10:01 <DiscordianUK> I find that one odd 18:10:13 <DiscordianUK> default to open 18:10:18 <DiscordianUK> -1 to that 18:10:25 <nirik> I don't know if that would meet the reporters use case... 18:10:33 <dvanstone> -1 18:10:55 <dvanstone> hard to see any open issue 18:11:10 <nirik> doesn't look like anyone is thrilled with the idea. 18:11:44 <EvilBob> I said my piece 18:11:55 <nirik> so, shall we close this and move on? 18:12:02 <EvilBob> +1 18:12:09 <DiscordianUK> yes let's 18:12:19 <dvanstone> next 18:12:54 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 18:13:08 <nirik> Any items for open floor? ideas, suggestions for improvement, etc? 18:13:13 <kushal> may be [OT] 18:13:23 <DiscordianUK> I have nothing 18:13:35 <Khaytsus> Super quiet in tehc hannel sometimes. Is that good (quality) or bad (lower usage) 18:13:47 <Khaytsus> Although there are other factors.. ask seems to be getting a lot of traffic these days 18:14:01 <kushal> is there any document/steps written which properly explains dual boot with windows8 for laptops? getting too many quarries 18:14:17 <Khaytsus> kushal: EFI installs then? I think so... hmm 18:14:18 <DiscordianUK> I think the problems with freenode are putting people off too 18:14:19 <nirik> kushal: not that I know of, but it would sure be nice to have one. ;) 18:14:19 <dvanstone> Khaytsus� ask is a handy resource 18:14:32 <nirik> yeah, lots of net splits annoying people. 18:14:56 <Khaytsus> I see a Mac EFI guide but not offhand seeing an EFI guide for PCs. 18:15:38 <nirik> I think dual booting with efi is a bit more complex than without... but I currently have 0 efi machines here, so I wouldn't feel good to write such a think. 18:15:40 <nirik> thing 18:15:41 <kushal> Khaytsus, nirik , all the new laptops all these students are buying are not good for fedora it seems, they are moving to ubuntu for the same 18:16:08 <nirik> huh, fedora should install just fine I would think. Dunno about dual booting tho 18:16:09 <DiscordianUK> I have a efi/secureboot laptop 18:16:09 <kushal> and no one in our place knows anything about the same 18:16:23 <kushal> nirik, I mean dual booting 18:16:24 <DiscordianUK> Dual boot is tricky 18:16:25 <nirik> perhaps we could ping docs folks? 18:16:54 <kushal> nirik, that document/steps will be really helpful 18:17:15 <nirik> I agree. Just need to find someone who can/will write it. ;) 18:17:20 <dvanstone> or a way to put on a chrome device 18:17:21 <Khaytsus> The docs currently have win2k, server 2k, xp, and server 2003, vista, server 2008 18:17:24 <Khaytsus> Don't see win7 win 8 18:17:29 <DiscordianUK> Something like gummiboot would be , it exists but isn't in fedora 18:17:39 <Khaytsus> I don't have any EFI machines myself. 18:17:42 <DiscordianUK> be useful 18:17:55 <DiscordianUK> written by kay sievers 18:18:02 <nirik> gummitboot is in fedora. ;) 18:18:11 <DiscordianUK> Is it now? 18:18:22 <nirik> it doesn't have all the features grub2 does... I don't know that it can boot encrypted or handle lvm or lots of things. 18:18:28 <DiscordianUK> it wasn't last I looked 18:18:30 <nirik> and it's only efi, not bios at all. 18:18:38 <DiscordianUK> hmm I shall look 18:18:54 <nirik> something about mac/apple hardware would also be nice. 18:18:57 <DiscordianUK> I don't have a bios only box anyway 18:19:06 <DiscordianUK> and can't afford macs 18:19:20 <nirik> anyhow, please do try and find folks to write these things... :) 18:20:09 <nirik> anyhow, anything else, or shall we call it a meeting? 18:20:19 <DiscordianUK> I had to use efibootmgr after a failed f19 install to get anything to work 18:20:45 <mjg59> DiscordianUK: gummiboot does nothing to help here 18:21:03 <mjg59> An F19 install alongside a Windows 8 install on UEFI systems *should* work without any additional configuration 18:21:16 <DiscordianUK> That's interesting and you're one of our experts on UEFI 18:21:21 <nirik> cool. there you go. ;) 18:21:26 <mjg59> Since I'm not aware of any cases where it doesn't work, I don't have any suggestions for what to tell users who find it doesn't work 18:21:33 <mjg59> Other than to file bugs 18:21:37 <nirik> kushal: could you try and get folks to report bugs or tell you where it's not working? 18:22:25 <DiscordianUK> By fiddling with efibootmgr you can get f17/18/19 to multiboot 18:23:04 <mjg59> DiscordianUK: You should never need to do that 18:23:07 <kushal> nirik, ok, I will ask the students 18:23:14 <DiscordianUK> okay 18:23:20 <nirik> kushal / mjg59: thanks. ;) 18:23:37 * nirik will close out the meeting in a minute or two if nothing else. 18:24:22 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone! 18:24:26 <nirik> #endmeeting

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