=================================================================== #fedora-meeting-1: Server Working Group Weekly Meeting (2016-05-10) ===================================================================

Meeting started by danofsatx at 15:01:40 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2016-05-10/server_working... .

Meeting summary --------------- * Agenda (danofsatx, 15:02:12) * 1. Roll Call (danofsatx, 15:02:14) * 1. Fedora 24 Beta released (danofsatx, 15:02:15) * 2. Wiki Gardening (danofsatx, 15:02:17) * 3. Fedora 25 Ideas (danofsatx, 15:02:18)

* Roll Call (danofsatx, 15:02:20) * zodbot is buried under a proxy. (danofsatx, 15:08:20)

* Fedora 24 Beta Released (danofsatx, 15:09:28) * LINK: https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-24-beta-released/ (danofsatx, 15:09:40) * LINK:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_24_Beta_1.6_Server?rd=Tes... (danofsatx, 15:10:28) * LINK: https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/24/final/buglist (danofsatx, 15:12:33) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1330766 (danofsatx, 15:15:03) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1314637 (danofsatx, 15:15:59)

* Wiki Gardening (danofsatx, 15:18:00) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server (danofsatx, 15:18:25) * ACTION: linuxmodder to update the Fedora Server wiki page (danofsatx, 15:25:02)

* Fedora 25 Ideas (danofsatx, 15:25:24) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/25/Schedule (danofsatx, 15:25:33) * LINK:

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject.org... (danofsatx, 15:25:41) * Server WG should investigate the retirement of rolekit and transition to a configuration management system such as ansible (danofsatx, 15:38:56) * ACTION: hanthana to write up a blog post survey for roles. linuxmodder and danofsatx to review/edit. (danofsatx, 15:53:23)

* Open Floor (danofsatx, 15:59:18)

Meeting ended at 16:06:21 UTC.

Action Items ------------ * linuxmodder to update the Fedora Server wiki page * hanthana to write up a blog post survey for roles. linuxmodder and danofsatx to review/edit.

Action Items, by person ----------------------- * danofsatx * hanthana to write up a blog post survey for roles. linuxmodder and danofsatx to review/edit. * hanthana * hanthana to write up a blog post survey for roles. linuxmodder and danofsatx to review/edit. * linuxmodder * linuxmodder to update the Fedora Server wiki page * hanthana to write up a blog post survey for roles. linuxmodder and danofsatx to review/edit. * **UNASSIGNED** * (none)

People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * danofsatx (87) * hanthana (22) * linuxmodder (20) * sgallagh (13) * zodbot (11) * nb (4) * mjwolf (2) * mhayden (1) * adamw (0) * nirik (0) * jds2001 (0) * stefw (0) * simi (0)

15:01:40 <danofsatx> #startmeeting Server Working Group Weekly Meeting (2016-05-10) 15:01:40 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue May 10 15:01:40 2016 UTC. The chair is danofsatx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:01:40 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:01:40 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'server_working_group_weekly_meeting_(2016-05-10)' 15:01:55 <danofsatx> #chair danofsatx nirik stefw adamw simi mhayden jds2001 mjwolf hanthana 15:01:55 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw danofsatx hanthana jds2001 mhayden mjwolf nirik simi stefw 15:02:12 <danofsatx> #topic Agenda 15:02:14 <danofsatx> #info 1. Roll Call 15:02:15 <danofsatx> #info 1. Fedora 24 Beta released 15:02:16 * linuxmodder here 15:02:17 <danofsatx> #info 2. Wiki Gardening 15:02:18 <danofsatx> #info 3. Fedora 25 Ideas 15:02:20 <danofsatx> #topic Roll Call 15:02:22 <linuxmodder> .hello linuxmodder 15:02:22 <danofsatx> .hello dmossor 15:02:38 <hanthana> .hello snavin 15:02:53 <hanthana> .fas snavin 15:02:53 <mjwolf> .hello mjwolf 15:03:02 <linuxmodder> zodbot is hanging itself today 15:03:03 <linuxmodder> :( 15:03:13 <danofsatx> ping zodbot 15:03:13 <linuxmodder> hanthana, its zodbot not you 15:04:41 <zodbot> linuxmodder: linuxmodder 'Corey W Sheldon' sheldon.corey@openmailbox.org 15:05:15 <hanthana> linuxmodder, ok :) 15:05:18 <linuxmodder> 2 mins lag on zodbot can someone say zodbot is under load 15:05:30 <linuxmodder> or the bw is one or the other 15:05:36 <danofsatx> nirik just said bunch of stuff is borked due to proxy issue 15:06:40 <zodbot> danofsatx: Something blew up, please try again 15:06:55 <danofsatx> .hello dmossor 15:07:13 * danofsatx waits for the boom 15:08:00 <mhayden> .hello mhayden 15:08:20 <danofsatx> #info zodbot is buried under a proxy. 15:08:52 <zodbot> hanthana: snavin 'Danishka Navin' danishka@gmail.com 15:08:55 <zodbot> hanthana: snavin 'Danishka Navin' danishka@gmail.com 15:09:15 <danofsatx> anyway, lets see if the meetbot controls still work and carry on... 15:09:28 <danofsatx> #topic Fedora 24 Beta Released 15:09:40 <danofsatx> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-24-beta-released/ 15:09:57 <danofsatx> F24 Beta was released today. Thanks to all the devs and testers that put it together. 15:10:09 <danofsatx> Final testing can be tracked at: 15:10:22 <danofsatx> Final testing can be tracked at: 15:10:28 <danofsatx> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_24_Beta_1.6_Server?rd=Tes... 15:10:30 * linuxmodder is seeding most of 24 beta 15:10:55 <zodbot> mjwolf: mjwolf 'Michael Wolf' mjwolf@us.ibm.com 15:11:04 <danofsatx> The respins seeder group is generally seeding the Betas as of this morning, also. 15:11:17 <danofsatx> At least, linuxmodder and myself are. 15:12:33 <danofsatx> #link https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/24/final/buglist 15:12:57 <linuxmodder> only x64 tho for me 15:13:15 <danofsatx> ^^ is the current list of Final blockers and Freeze Exceptions. Any assistance with either fixing these or testing the fixes will be greatly appreciated by the QA team. 15:13:49 <linuxmodder> danofsatx, the full seeder group is southern was first and nb has picked up the desktops at least 15:14:12 * linuxmodder looks at final blockers 15:14:50 <danofsatx> looks like only a realmd and selinux issues are the only ones affecting Server. 15:15:03 <danofsatx> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1330766 15:15:16 <zodbot> danofsatx: dmossor 'Dan Mossor' danofsatx@gmail.com 15:15:25 <zodbot> mhayden: mhayden 'Major Hayden' major@mhtx.net 15:15:36 <linuxmodder> selinux fun I'll look at that one 15:15:41 <danofsatx> oh, wow...thanks for playing zodbot 15:15:59 <danofsatx> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1314637 15:16:11 <danofsatx> anything else for F24? 15:17:53 <danofsatx> moving on... 15:18:00 <danofsatx> #topic Wiki Gardening 15:18:25 <danofsatx> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server 15:19:03 <danofsatx> We have two new members of the WG, mjwolf and hanthana. Y'all need to add yourself to the wiki page. mizmo needs to remove herself ;) 15:19:15 <nb> linuxmodder, huh? 15:19:18 <nb> nb doesn't have a seeder 15:19:27 <hanthana> danofsatx, ok 15:19:43 <mjwolf> danofsatx ok will do 15:19:46 <nb> how does someone join the Server WG? 15:20:51 <danofsatx> nb: Anyone can join the SIG just by attending meetings, following ML, and hanging out in #fedora-server. To become a voting member of the WG, you must be elected to the position. 15:21:00 <linuxmodder> nb, swore you did 15:21:26 <linuxmodder> nb, usual fas route :) 15:21:31 <danofsatx> last week, mjwolf and hanthana were elected to replace our dearly departed leader, sgallagh and mizmo 15:22:11 <nb> oh 15:22:17 <sgallagh> /me isn't dead. 15:22:21 <danofsatx> in regards to the Wiki Gardening, as was brought up on the ML, we do need to create a "Joining" page for Fedora Server 15:22:40 <danofsatx> sgallagh: ;) 15:23:28 <danofsatx> Also, in perusing the Fedora Server wiki page, I noticed that it was way out of date. It needs to be updated with current info. Do we have any volunteers? 15:24:16 <linuxmodder> danofsatx, I can add that to my roundof docs /wiki edits 15:25:02 <danofsatx> #action linuxmodder to update the Fedora Server wiki page 15:25:24 <danofsatx> #topic Fedora 25 Ideas 15:25:33 <danofsatx> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/25/Schedule 15:25:38 <linuxmodder> anyone with specific edits in mind find me here or on the ML with requests /comments 15:25:41 <danofsatx> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject.org... 15:26:15 <danofsatx> So, F24 is in Beta which means our planning work is pretty much done - it's all loose ends from here until release. 15:26:40 <danofsatx> In regards to nirik's recent email, we should start looking ahead to F25 at this point. 15:27:35 <danofsatx> Our major issue is that with sgallagh's reassignment, we no longer have a person dedicated to rolekit. Without someone babysitting it, I fear that it will not progress to where we want it to be. 15:27:42 * danofsatx doesn't have the required skills to do it 15:28:58 <danofsatx> The big thing to come out of the thread is "MOAR ROLES!" 15:29:44 <danofsatx> I know that sgallagh and stefw were working on building a nice API for rolekit so the roles would be extremely easy to create. I, however, do not know the current status of that. 15:30:12 <danofsatx> mattdm wants to have a role in place for "90%" of what people would deploy - the question is, how do we identify that 90%? 15:30:48 <danofsatx> We already had targets for WWW and email servers, and I beleive someone floated the idea of a DHCP/DNS server role 15:31:04 <danofsatx> oh, and a file server role was proposed, also 15:32:03 <hanthana> LDAP/SAMBA ? 15:32:23 <danofsatx> Well, LDAP is taken care of via FreeIPA. 15:32:51 <danofsatx> The file server (as proposed) was to simply set up a samba and (kerberized) nfs server. 15:33:35 <hanthana> danofsatx, shall we run a survey among Fedora (Server) users and find what exactly they need? 15:34:03 <danofsatx> Yes, that would be a good idea. 15:34:23 <danofsatx> linuxmodder: would this be a good idea to push out via Magazine? 15:34:28 <hanthana> we can target it with F24 release if possible 15:34:37 <danofsatx> F25 15:34:38 <linuxmodder> what ? d/c 'd briefly 15:34:59 <danofsatx> A survey to discover what roles are desired in Fedora Server 15:35:16 <danofsatx> and you need to get a bouncer ;) 15:35:25 <linuxmodder> ah the rolekit thing sure blog pointer and a full mag artiicle even 15:35:26 <hanthana> no mean, if we do an early survey we can out better F25 15:36:30 <hanthana> s/no mean/no, I mean 15:36:51 <danofsatx> oh, yes - Change proposals for F25 are due 2016-07-05 15:37:04 <sgallagh> I should also point out that Server is not required to continue using/developing rolekit. For example, maybe the requirements might be better served with something like ansible 15:37:20 <danofsatx> Which means we have roughly 7 weeks to put things together. 15:37:40 <danofsatx> sgallagh: good idea. 15:38:34 <linuxmodder> lost me on the ansible part 15:38:44 <linuxmodder> using ansible in place of rolekit ? 15:38:49 <sgallagh> rolekit was originally designed as it was so that it would theoretically be easy to plug into Cockpit. 15:38:56 <danofsatx> #info Server WG should investigate the retirement of rolekit and transition to a configuration management system such as ansible 15:39:07 <hanthana> moreover, we can ask user to tweet with a specific hashtag for those who really lazy to fill survey forms ;-) for example #fedoraserver 15:39:19 <sgallagh> It might be that it's worth investigating alternative approaches (keeping an eye on Cockpit as still being the primary interface for it, if possible) 15:39:59 <sgallagh> Ansible, puppet or OpenShift are all potentially-viable solutions. 15:40:20 <danofsatx> agreed - a GUI interface to deploying roles through Cockpit, using some sort of back end whether it be rolekit or ansible or puppet or chef, is one of our goal.s 15:41:12 <hanthana> +1 15:41:48 <sgallagh> Entirely unrelated to my current responsibilities (I work on OpenShift), we might want to explore that route, if only because Cockpit already has very good support for container cluster management through its Project Atomic work. 15:42:23 <danofsatx> sgallagh: have you ever tried to deploy FreeIPA using ansible or OpenShift? 15:43:06 <sgallagh> danofsatx: I have not (yet) 15:43:13 <danofsatx> roger that. 15:43:22 <sgallagh> Though I know of people who have done the former and people who are attempting the latter. 15:43:34 <danofsatx> is anyone aware of FreeIPA performance as a container? 15:43:46 * danofsatx is thinking of the entropy issue 15:44:08 <sgallagh> danofsatx: What entropy issue exists in a container that wouldn't on the RPM install? 15:44:50 <danofsatx> well, in Virtual Machines we were running into the lack of entropy during the kerberos setup. I'm not sure if that same issue exists with a container. 15:46:28 <hanthana> what if we include spacewalk for those who deploy several nodes? 15:46:51 <hanthana> is it worth? 15:46:54 <danofsatx> hanthana: as a role? 15:47:03 <hanthana> yes 15:47:25 <danofsatx> sure, we can put it out there. 15:47:33 <hanthana> cool 15:50:21 <danofsatx> The other thing that came up on list was oVirt integration. I will admit that I have never successfully deployed oVirt, either on Fedora or CentOS, so I can't speak to the viability of this idea. 15:51:25 <danofsatx> We 15:51:37 <danofsatx> We're almost to the hour mark, and it seems we've lost steam. 15:52:08 <danofsatx> hanthana: can you do the blog post for the survey? 15:52:55 <sgallagh> Sorry, I got pulled away. 15:53:03 <hanthana> ok, I can make a draft though I am not good in writing ;-) 15:53:23 <danofsatx> #action hanthana to write up a blog post survey for roles. linuxmodder and danofsatx to review/edit. 15:53:50 <hanthana> danofsatx, how about the questions? 15:53:56 <danofsatx> I'm awesome at editing - I can't create 15:54:00 <sgallagh> danofsatx: Entropy starvation is always a real issue, but it's no *worse* with a container than a VM (and likely better, since the container host is probably doing a lot more entropy-generation) 15:54:31 <danofsatx> sgallagh: gotchya. 15:55:06 <sgallagh> danofsatx: single-purpose VMs tend to be more vulnerable because they have identical hardware and often identical boot patterns. 15:55:51 <sgallagh> (Which is why the virtio-rng device exists, to feed the VMs from the host's entropy pool, which in turn gathers entropy thanks to the varied activities of all the VMs on it) 15:59:08 <danofsatx> ok, then, we're at 1 hour. 15:59:18 <danofsatx> #topic Open Floor 16:00:43 <danofsatx> going once.... 16:00:50 <hanthana> Shall we make available designs for Fedora Server tickers, buttons etc 16:01:24 <danofsatx> hanthana: hmmm, good idea. One that should be taken up with marketing, though 16:01:25 <hanthana> Sonar_Gal, Ambassadors can use them during release parties and other events 16:02:01 <hanthana> I recently created a ticket for 'Powered by Fedora' sticker design 16:02:18 <danofsatx> Already have one - ot 16:02:28 <hanthana> we should market roles available with Fedora server 16:02:34 <hanthana> ok 16:02:43 <danofsatx> it's the case badge sticker 16:04:57 <danofsatx> going thrice..... 16:06:17 <danofsatx> ok, thanks for coming, folks! 16:06:21 <danofsatx> #endmeeting