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[Fedora-ambassadors-list] Concentration of Ambassadors
by Patrick W. Barnes 01 Dec '05

01 Dec '05

We need to establish a clear policy now with regard to how many Ambassadors we want in each region. The original aim of the CMC program was to have one contact in each nation, with two in the larger nations. We now have more than this listed in some places. I have no objections to allowing Ambassadors to have assistants, but we need to, IMHO, keep the window between the Fedora Project and Ambassadors relatively narrow. What we need is a policy that states what kind of concentration we want for Ambassadors and how we handle pruning of inactive or deviant Ambassadors to make room for more active and reliable volunteers. If we want to establish a process to assist Ambassadors in enlisting helpers, I think that would be great. The very idea of an ambassador in other contexts is to provide a single, key point-of-contact between two entities. Ambassadors act as the diplomatic leads, providing the gateway between nations and mediating the relationship. They will always have people assisting them in their goals, but the ambassador themselves has no competing equivalent. I think that having two Ambassadors per nation would be wise, but not the four or more we already have listed for some nations. If we need to introduce some kind of 'embassy' to help Ambassadors coordinate between each other and with other help, we can do that, but we should avoid going crazy introducing new Ambassadors. Opinions? -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64(a)n-man.com www.n-man.com --

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[Fedora-ambassadors-list] Concentration of Ambassadors
by Glauber Adriano Reis 30 Nov '05

30 Nov '05

On 11/30/05, Patrick Barnes <nman64(a)n-man.com> wrote: > We need to establish a clear policy now with regard to how many > Ambassadors we want in each region. The original aim of the CMC program > was to have one contact in each nation, with two in the larger nations. > We now have more than this listed in some places. I have no objections > to allowing Ambassadors to have assistants, but we need to, IMHO, keep > the window between the Fedora Project and Ambassadors relatively > narrow. What we need is a policy that states what kind of concentration > we want for Ambassadors and how we handle pruning of inactive or deviant > Ambassadors to make room for more active and reliable volunteers. If we > want to establish a process to assist Ambassadors in enlisting helpers, > I think that would be great. The very idea of an ambassador in other > contexts is to provide a single, key point-of-contact between two > entities. Ambassadors act as the diplomatic leads, providing the > gateway between nations and mediating the relationship. They will > always have people assisting them in their goals, but the ambassador > themselves has no competing equivalent. I think that having two > Ambassadors per nation would be wise, but not the four or more we > already have listed for some nations. If we need to introduce some kind > of 'embassy' to help Ambassadors coordinate between each other and with > other help, we can do that, but we should avoid going crazy introducing > new Ambassadors. Opinions? > > -- > Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes > nman64(a)n-man.com > > www.n-man.com > -- > > > > > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > > Hello, all. I am the latest addition to the list of Ambassadors (brazilian ones) and I' ve got some comments on this issue (as I think I might have triggered it). First off, I will list some motives why people like me are trying to foster the adoption of Fedora in the local (Brazil and South America as well) population. Secondly, I will try and explain why I think that having such a small number of Ambassador (in some particular situation) is no good. I've been present at many brazilian events related to Software Livre/Software Libre/Free Software and what I have noticed was a total lack of (Fedora)presence to the point that it started bothering me, so I went to Fedora Project website and looked for information as to how to try and make it be a bit more present (locally). At the time(last weekend), I was not aware of the existence of brazilian Ambassadors and got very happy to know they are there and that I could help out. Another point that bothers me is that people I know are switching from Fedora to another distro, not because Fedora lacks something(technically), but because other distros are showing themselves off a bit more aggressively. We all, in South America, are countries in development. I will focus on Brazil but I think my opinion applies for other countries that share the same problems. Here in Brazil we try and use Software Livre as a tool for *inclusion* into the "digital world" (we call it inclusão digital) and we are very serious about it. We try, that way, make the *knowledge* available to the ones that can not get it by themselves(even though we have not gotten to the point of having it stated in our Constitution like our brothers from Venezuela). But it is not only that, Software Livre helps us break the chains that make us simply "market" to be exploited and helps us understand that we have history, territory...particular characteristics, culture. We are a very, very big country, we are 180 millions and I am convinced that, one way or another, Software Livre will help us out when it comes to the development of our nation. Fedora as a *Software Livre* tool may help in this whole process, but how can we make it present at events around our (huge)country since we have only 4(me inclusive) ones that want to advocate (even though on of us lives outside the country)? Brazil has many (locally) important events, and quoting Jon "maddog" Hall..."maybe, too many?", but because they are many, we have more opportunity to make Fedora visible and foster it in "social projects". I think advocating Fedora only to make it visible(there are many other good distros) is no value in our country, we have to overcome it and turn Fedora into an active tool inside our Software Livre cause, that way it can help us overcome some of our social problems. So, I think for a country as big and as full of social problems as Brazil, 5 or 6 Ambassadors spread around the country(that way we can be present at each important event) would be good to try and make Fedora available as a real tool in our Software Livre movement. Again, we have to promote Fedora as one tool in our local Software Livre movement and only after that, promote Fedora for being our beloved Linux distro. __ Glauber Adriano

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RE: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FOSDEM -Brussel-
by Hornain Frederic 29 Nov '05

29 Nov '05

Dear Alex, Following our previous mail - see below (ref : #2) -, I have contacted the FOSDEM Team - see below (ref : #1) - in order to get more information about this event. So now, I am going to represent definitvely Fedora at the FOSDEM in Brussel. I am not going to be the only one. >Just to give you an idea of the event, here are the other folks having stands at FOSDEM 2006 (at >least, up to now): O'Reilly, FSF, Gnomemeeting, Debian, OpenGroupware, GNUstep, Mozilla Foundation, >openWengo, Jabber and openSUSE >(as you can see, you'll be in nice company) As soon as possible I am going to update the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents web page So as you have already organized such events, maybe you could give me one or two advices. For instance, do I have to only install Fedora on PC ? Or maybe specific implementations like Xen... In addition, I will have need to get some advertising boards, banners, Fedora CDs/Live CDs, some swags, Buisiness cards and so on... BTW I think I will be one day at the "solution Linux" in Paris, but it is not sure yet. BR Fred Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list /#1////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Hornain Frederic wrote: >> Dear Arnaud, Dear Pascal, >> Thanks a lot ! >> >> One or two things again, >> Could you tell how the event takes place ? Or where can I retreive this information ? >> Do you have any procedures for stand installation ? >> When can I come to install it. >> Do you need somethings ? >> And so on so for. >> Weel, all information related to stands which can help me. > >Sure. > >The event takes place on Saturday 25 and Sunday 26 February, at the Solbosch campus (ULB) in >Brussels. We use the buildings H and A for the event. > >Stands are located in the building H, down the long hall that goes from the main entrance and our >information desk to the end of the building, serving access to the various rooms (where we have the >so-called "devrooms", where projects make talks, conferences, ...). Note that we also have a lot of >devrooms in the A-building but no stands over there. >The main talks are held in much larger rooms, in other buildings. Nevertheless, there's a big crowd >going up & down the hall all the time (Saturday is particularely busy). > >We actually kick off the event at 10:30 on Saturday, with our 2 introductory talks in the largest >room (Janson, 1400 seats) and there are no other activities taking place during that time (until 12:30). > >So for the devrooms and the stands, the effective kick-off is at around 12:30. >You can come to the H building from 09:00 on (on Saturday), at the information desk at the main >entrace, and we'll point you to the table that has been assigned to your stand. >You'll have plenty of time to build up your stand then. >Note that we provide you with the following: >- - wireless internet connectivity >- - power (but make sure to bring along your plugs) >- - a table (width between 1m60 and 1m80) >- - 2 or 3 chairs, depending on what you need > >We'll do our best to give network connectivity (only wireless for the stands) as early as possible, >we but only "guarantee" it from 12:00 on. Nevertheless, it will most probably be available from, >say, 10:00 on (our network staff works hard but it's a large area to service). > >We close doors on 18:00 (both days). Sunday starts at 09:00. > >We provide a hardware insurance to cover the stuff you'll bring along (notebook, etc...). >But you have to send us the following information for every piece of hardware: >- - hardware type (notebook, switch, ...) >- - vendor and model (e.g. Dell Latitude D800) > >- - an approximation of its _current_ value >- - a unique identifier or serial number that's visible on it >Note that the insurance is free of charge. Entrance, participation, devrooms and stands are free as >well. We welcome donations though ;) > >Just to give you an idea of the event, here are the other folks having stands at FOSDEM 2006 (at >least, up to now): O'Reilly, FSF, Gnomemeeting, Debian, OpenGroupware, GNUstep, Mozilla Foundation, >openWengo, Jabber and openSUSE >(as you can see, you'll be in nice company) > >Devrooms: KDE, Embedded development, Mozilla, OpenGroupware/GNUstep, openSUSE, Tcl/tk, Jabber, GNU >Classpath, X.org, Calibre, Ada, Debian, GNOME. > >+ the main tracks and the many speakers > >Hope this helps ;) > >If you have any more questions, feel free to contact us => stands(a)fosdem.org > >cheers >- -- > -o) Pascal Bleser <loki(a)fosdem.org> http://www.fosdem.org > /\\ FOSDEM 2006 :: 25+26 February 2006 in Brussels > _\_v Free and Opensource Software Developers European Meeting /#2////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >-----Original Message----- <From: Alex Maier [mailto:lxmaier@gmail.com] >Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 12:43 PM >To: Hornain Frederic >Subject: Re: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] FOSDEM -Brussel- > > >Frederic, > >I think you definitely will need a network connection. Please do not >forget to bring a computer or two to demo Fedora. >The number of tables you need depends on how many people will be there >with you representing Fedora. If you have three or less, one table is >enough, because otherwise it will look empty. > >Please let me know what else I can help you with, >a > On 11/25/05, Hornain Frederic <Frederic.Hornain(a)gb.be> wrote: > Dear Alex, > > I intend to represent the Fedora Project at the FOSDEM http://www.fosdem.org/ in Brussel -Belgium -. > Could you help me to prepare that ? it will be nice. > > For the moment I have already contated the persons who are in charge of this event > They just ask me if I need to get network and if I need one or two tables. > > I have to confirm it. > Waiting after you reply. > > If you have any remarks, do not hesitate to contact me. > > BR > Fred

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[Fedora-ambassadors-list] Ambassadors meeting notes November 24, 14-15 UTC
by Alex 26 Nov '05

26 Nov '05

Next Ambassadors Meeting: Thursday, December 1, 2005 at 22:00:00 UTC Berlin: Thu Dec 1, 11:00 PM Brisbane: Fri, Dec 2, 8:00 AM Mumbai: Fri Dec 2, 3:30 AM New York: Thu Dec 1, 5:00 PM Attending: Bob Jensen, Jon Fautley, Hrishikesh Ballal, Alex Maier Discussed: Upcoming events: Third Saturday in January is post Christmas Installfest for Bob Jensen's LUG. Each installfest starts with a bit of education/proganda. The last installfest had 15 new users, 12 of them installed Fedora. Bob will put in a request for schwag after he has the final date. Jon Fautley is giving a talk to a University LUG tonight. He will give a general overview of Fedora, the development cycle, included apps, etc... jon has enough supplies for this event. Hrishikesh Ballal will have a local LUG meeting coming up next month, but because he is in the process of moving, he will not be able to attend. Hrishikesh will post a note to the fedora-marketing-list to recruit volunteers to jump in for him. User Testimonials Bob Jensen uses Fedora in his business and at client sites for workstations. He has 15 businesses using Linux in some way, about 230 workstations total in his area. Bob is completing a client project in the next week, the client has said he would agree to submit a user testimonial. Bob will post to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/UserTestimonials Fedora Schwag leftovers Alex Maier has some Fedora T-Shirts and FUDCon wristbands left over from the previos event in the basement of the Red Hat office in Munich. She will be in Munich late in December and will distribute the shirts between European Ambassadors. The wristbands will be shipped to RDU in order to be taken to the next FUDCon. Meeting Times In order to accommodate different time zones, we will attempt an experiment in th ecoming weeks: Every other week, the meeting will be held at 22 UTC and in the weeks inbetween the meeting will be held at 14 UTC. Let us see how this works. See you all next week, Alex -- New content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org Fedora Ambassadors

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[Fedora-ambassadors-list] FC5-Test1 DVD iso
by Thomas Chung 23 Nov '05

23 Nov '05

Hi All, I was able create FC5-Test1 DVD iso using Chris Kloiber's script: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2003-October/msg00736.html If you are interested in, please email me privately. Happy Thanksgiving! -- Thomas Chung FedoraNEWS.ORG (http://fedoranews.org) "..where you can free your knowledge for your free community!"

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[Fedora-ambassadors-list] Fedora Presentation
by Hornain Frederic 23 Nov '05

23 Nov '05

Dear *, FYI, I have done Fedora Presentation draft based on Warren Togami's and Tejas Dinkar's Documents. And I would like to use it to promote Fedora Linux, and Open Source. Does it have to be approved by someone ? You could retreive it at the following URL : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FredericHornain?action=AttachFile&do=get&… Thanks in advance for your comments. BR Fred -----Original Message----- From: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces(a)redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Chung Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 9:18 PM To: fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com Subject: Re: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Is the Marketing brain dump adapted toAmbassadors questions ? On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 05:38:27 +0100, Hornain Frederic wrote > Dear *, > > Following my previous mail, I am wondering if the Marketing brain dump would > not be a better place to put question from Ambassadors who are not be able to > talk via IRC to ask their questions or share their opinions. Or maybe we > should create the same rubric for Abassadors ? > > BR > Fred Since you are not able to attend IRC meeting, would you post your FAQs in the following page? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FAQ -- Thomas Chung FedoraNEWS.ORG (http://fedoranews.org) "..where you can free your knowledge for your free community!" -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list

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RE: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Is the Marketing brain dump adapted toAmbassadors questions ?
by Hornain Frederic 22 Nov '05

22 Nov '05

Thanks a lot Thomas. BR Fred -----Original Message----- From: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces(a)redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Chung Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 9:18 PM To: fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com Subject: Re: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Is the Marketing brain dump adapted toAmbassadors questions ? On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 05:38:27 +0100, Hornain Frederic wrote > Dear *, > > Following my previous mail, I am wondering if the Marketing brain dump would > not be a better place to put question from Ambassadors who are not be able to > talk via IRC to ask their questions or share their opinions. Or maybe we > should create the same rubric for Abassadors ? > > BR > Fred Since you are not able to attend IRC meeting, would you post your FAQs in the following page? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FAQ -- Thomas Chung FedoraNEWS.ORG (http://fedoranews.org) "..where you can free your knowledge for your free community!" -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list

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[Fedora-ambassadors-list] Is the Marketing brain dump adapted to Ambassadors questions ?
by Hornain Frederic 22 Nov '05

22 Nov '05

Dear *, Following my previous mail, I am wondering if the Marketing brain dump would not be a better place to put question from Ambassadors who are not be able to talk via IRC to ask their questions or share their opinions. Or maybe we should create the same rubric for Abassadors ? BR Fred -----Original Message----- From: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces(a)redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Hornain Frederic Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:42 PM To: Thomas Chung; fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com Subject: RE: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Atfedoraproject.org fro Ambassadors Hi Thomas, > I would suggest to make a list of questions you could not answer and discuss them during our next scheduled meeting. Yes I would like to do it however I will not be there at the next meeting - see previous mail in the mailling list -. So this what I suggest. Why do not create a kind of questions repository for the next Ambassadors meeting in order to let people who are not be able to talk via IRC to ask their questions or share their opinion ? Best Regards Fred -----Original Message----- From: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces(a)redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Chung Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 6:18 PM To: fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com Subject: Re: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Atfedoraproject.org fro Ambassadors On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 Thank you for sharing your story with us. I feel the pain for you. As you know, we are still in transition period as far as new official logo guideline concern. Please be patience a little longer as Greg is working on with his counsel. I would suggest to make a list of questions you could not answer and discuss them during our next scheduled meeting. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings Regards, -- Thomas Chung FedoraNEWS.ORG (http://fedoranews.org) "..where you can free your knowledge for your free community!" -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list

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RE: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Atfedoraproject.org fro Ambassadors
by Hornain Frederic 21 Nov '05

21 Nov '05

Hi Thomas, > I would suggest to make a list of questions you could not answer and discuss them during our next scheduled meeting. Yes I would like to do it however I will not be there at the next meeting - see previous mail in the mailling list -. So this what I suggest. Why do not create a kind of questions repository for the next Ambassadors meeting in order to let people who are not be able to talk via IRC to ask their questions or share their opinion ? Best Regards Fred -----Original Message----- From: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces(a)redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Chung Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 6:18 PM To: fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com Subject: Re: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Atfedoraproject.org fro Ambassadors On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 Thank you for sharing your story with us. I feel the pain for you. As you know, we are still in transition period as far as new official logo guideline concern. Please be patience a little longer as Greg is working on with his counsel. I would suggest to make a list of questions you could not answer and discuss them during our next scheduled meeting. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings Regards, -- Thomas Chung FedoraNEWS.ORG (http://fedoranews.org) "..where you can free your knowledge for your free community!" -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list

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[Fedora-ambassadors-list] Atfedoraproject.org fro Ambassadors
by Hornain Frederic 21 Nov '05

21 Nov '05

Dear *, Well, I have started my pilgrim mission. Gosh, it was not so obvious! Indeed, last saturday I went to a french engineering school where I talked to the principal about fedora and the fact to do in a first time a fedora project presentation to students. He was very enthousiast to do it and told me that teachers could also be really interested. During our conversation, he gave me his visit card and I was a little bit embarassed to give him mine cause I haven't got any fedora project vist card on me. - Could the fedora project provide us visit cards or could we print one based on a standard available on the fedora project web site ? - So he asked me where I can be reach at the fedora project. Then I had to give him the email address coming from my company. He was a little bit confused cause he did not understood why I gave him an e-mail address having no relationship with the subject of our conversation. Ok, I can admit that this kind of situation permit to explain deeper the base of Open source and how the community works. However, it was not so obvious to be convincing when you are in face of peolple who they know nothing about open source. So, little details can be really helpful. Well, we talked more than hour. In addition, he asked me some questions which I had some difficulties to answer. For instance : - how is structured the fedora project organization - in term of organizational tree - ? - Does it exist a program of partnership between schools and fedora? - Can they use the reference "fedora project" in there school's presentation brochure if they are interacting with the fedora community ? - and so on and so for ... Anyway, we have planned to do a presentation of fedora -overview- to students as soon as I would have done my presentation slides and an offcial have commited them. Thank you in advance if you can give the answers to the previous question. BTW, if you have any remarks, feel free to contact me. Best Regards Fred -----Original Message----- From: fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces(a)redhat.com [mailto:fedora-ambassadors-list-bounces@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Chitlesh GOORAH Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 5:09 PM To: fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] @fedoraproject.org and experience Hello everyone, Concerning the last meeting! We talked about many stuffs. Among these, I think tchung pointed out that it would be good that ambassadors could get @ fedoraproject.org alias for emails. I was wondering if its possible to get it. Secondly, I was among a group of friends last night "marketing fedora core". I found it very useful to have a wallpaper with all the major websites listed onto it. It is easily when you have their eyes and mind glued on the topic "fedora core" for example, on my wallpaper there were 2 addresses fedoraforum.org and fedoraproject.org. when i was talking about what is fedora and saying that this is an open source project. They pronounced the word "project" with me. same happened to the word "forum" when i said that the best way to get most of fedora is having contact with people on forums and mailing lists. This was my little experience of last night. Ive enhanced my wallpaper and posted it on kde-looks.org It would be nice if everyone shares their experience as a fedora ambassador so that other ambassadors can learn from it. regards, Chitlesh GOORAH -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com

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