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FAmNA Meeting Minutes from 2008-12-24
by inode0 04 Jan '09

04 Jan '09

(08:00:00 PM) inode0: FAmNA Meeting: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-12-23#Agenda (08:00:05 PM) inode0: Roll Call please (08:00:16 PM) ***ianweller lurks (08:00:32 PM) herlo has changed the topic to: FAmNA meeting, agenda available at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-12-23#Agenda (08:00:45 PM) herlo: .fas herlo (08:00:46 PM) zodbot: herlo: herlo 'Clint Savage' <herlo1(a)gmail.com> (08:01:06 PM) QUICKSTART: hello all (08:01:12 PM) QUICKSTART: ready to start (08:01:16 PM) ***lcafiero is present, using his inferior xchat (08:01:23 PM) herlo: lol (08:01:33 PM) inode0: Announcements (08:01:46 PM) ***jds2001 here (08:01:48 PM) ***DemonJester present (08:02:06 PM) inode0: I'd like to congratulate everyone involved in the FAmSCo elections - especially Larry and David (08:02:35 PM) lcafiero: Especially David -- congratulations ke4qqq (08:02:53 PM) jds2001: thank you for running both of you :) (08:02:57 PM) herlo: w00t! (08:03:12 PM) ***herlo will run next election and win! :) (08:03:30 PM) ianweller: well if that isn't a campaign promise i dunno what is (08:03:40 PM) herlo: :-D (08:03:50 PM) herlo: speaking of the almight ke4qqq, where is he? (08:03:57 PM) herlo: s/ght/ghty/ (08:03:59 PM) ***jds2001 promised a $700 billion bailout in the board election and didn't win! (08:04:01 PM) ***inode0 is lost (08:04:02 PM) jds2001: :) (08:04:09 PM) ianweller: jds2001: hmm wonder why :) (08:04:11 PM) inode0: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-December/msg00… (08:04:12 PM) ianweller: jds2001: ;) (08:04:15 PM) jds2001: :) (08:04:22 PM) lcafiero: heh (08:04:25 PM) inode0: Be sure to read fugolini's report if you haven't (08:04:27 PM) herlo: jds2001: I saw that (08:04:39 PM) ***lcafiero slaps forehead and mutters "that's where I went wrong" (08:05:00 PM) inode0: And other announcements? (08:05:03 PM) inode0: Any (08:05:04 PM) herlo: lcafiero had the best concession speech, however (08:05:11 PM) herlo: WE HAVE LIVE CDs (08:05:18 PM) herlo: http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/f10media/ (08:05:18 PM) lcafiero: Woo hoo! (08:05:29 PM) inode0: lcafiero's concession speech proved he should have been elected, which some of us knew all along :) (08:05:33 PM) herlo: best pic: http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/f10media/100_1360.jpg (08:05:35 PM) jds2001: w00t! (08:05:46 PM) inode0: that is a topic herlo, not an announcement! (08:05:58 PM) herlo: inode0: oh, sorry (08:06:04 PM) ***herlo slaps his own hand (08:06:20 PM) herlo: and cries -_^ (08:06:20 PM) DemonJester: herlo: inode0 already beat you to that :) (08:06:35 PM) herlo: lol, it's kind of a funny night tonight, now isn't it? (08:06:59 PM) inode0: Ok, let's get to any topics herlo doesn't spoil in the announcements section now (08:07:09 PM) DemonJester: lol (08:07:10 PM) ***herlo rescinds his announcement, dons a dunce cap and sits facing the corner of the room (08:07:19 PM) ianweller: it's like opening christmas presents early. bad! (08:07:25 PM) inode0: Scheduling guest speakers ... (08:07:30 PM) herlo: roflmao (08:07:32 PM) ***DemonJester points out the room is round and watches herlo look for the corner (08:07:42 PM) herlo: roflmao again! (08:07:46 PM) inode0: I contacted mmcgrath and he will speak to us about infra in January sometime (08:07:59 PM) herlo: very nice (08:08:18 PM) lcafiero: heh (08:08:33 PM) herlo: I need to talk with rdieter this coming week about having packagemaintainers come and talk with us too (08:08:36 PM) inode0: I'd like to encourage the rest of you if you haven't to try to line someone up (08:08:53 PM) ***herlo wants a task (08:09:07 PM) inode0: tasks come later herlo (08:09:08 PM) ***jds2001 can speak for fesco sometime if that's desired. (08:09:23 PM) inode0: :) (08:09:27 PM) herlo: inode0: no, I want to be assigned to remmeber (08:09:31 PM) ***jds2001 kicks herlo (08:09:40 PM) inode0: assign yourself a task then (08:09:50 PM) DemonJester: lol (08:09:51 PM) herlo: oh :( (08:09:57 PM) herlo: fine! (08:10:03 PM) DemonJester: roflmao... (08:10:08 PM) inode0: would anyone be interested in trying to get an overview of legal issues from spot? (08:10:12 PM) jds2001: oh, if a trac instance might be useful to you guys, that can be easily arranged. (08:10:26 PM) herlo: inode0: ianweller was doing that for some other stuff, we should get him to do it (08:10:33 PM) ianweller: do what (08:10:43 PM) herlo: what inode0 said (08:10:52 PM) inode0: assign yourself a task ianweller (08:10:54 PM) jds2001: getting spot to talk about legal things? (08:10:55 PM) herlo: jds2001: I'd be interested in that, but the wiki seems okay (08:11:16 PM) jds2001: whatever you'd like :) (08:11:17 PM) ***inode0 thinks this meeting spun out of control early (08:11:28 PM) ianweller: "talk with us" you mean like in this meeting? (08:11:31 PM) ianweller: or.... what (08:11:40 PM) herlo: yes, but not tonight (08:11:40 PM) inode0: yes (08:11:46 PM) herlo: at another meeting (08:11:48 PM) inode0: here is what I'm thinking (08:11:52 PM) inode0: more precisely (08:12:17 PM) inode0: a lot of new ambassadors and some old too may benefit from a good overview of legal issues that touch on Fedora (08:12:33 PM) inode0: whether that happens in this meeting or elsewhere I don't care (08:12:38 PM) ianweller: like [[ForbiddenItems]] ? (08:12:55 PM) jds2001: that and other things. (08:13:33 PM) inode0: I'm in the channel now but still lost ... what is ianweller being asked to do? (08:13:42 PM) ianweller: yeah. seriously. (08:13:50 PM) ***ianweller scratches head (08:13:52 PM) herlo: inode0: talk with wpot (08:13:53 PM) herlo: spot (08:13:55 PM) jds2001: ianweller: get spot to talk about legal items. (08:14:02 PM) inode0: oh, ok (08:14:02 PM) herlo: about coming to talk with us about legal (08:14:04 PM) ***ianweller writes that down (08:14:12 PM) ianweller: are meetings every tuesday, right? (08:14:17 PM) herlo: since he has to have him come and talk about his picture book anyway (08:14:21 PM) herlo: ianweller: yep (08:14:26 PM) jds2001: yes, every tuesday at 9PM (08:14:36 PM) ianweller: mokayu (08:14:37 PM) inode0: ianweller: yes, and it doesn't have to be real soon, a month after FUDcon so we could promote it is fine (08:14:40 PM) ianweller: mokay* (08:14:46 PM) inode0: or later at spot's convenience (08:15:13 PM) ianweller: ok! (08:15:17 PM) herlo: 9pm EST (08:15:33 PM) jds2001: the only timezone that matters for anything :) (08:15:35 PM) inode0: ok, next agenda item (non announcement variety) is media update (08:15:46 PM) herlo: yay! (08:15:53 PM) herlo: we have LiveCDs! (08:15:56 PM) inode0: show us the pictures! (08:16:03 PM) herlo: mkay (08:16:05 PM) inode0: also fill us in on UPS (08:16:15 PM) herlo: http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/f10media (08:16:17 PM) ianweller: pix or it didn't happen >.> ;) (08:16:22 PM) herlo: inode0: I have more about media (08:16:24 PM) lcafiero: lol (08:16:25 PM) inode0: and while you are giving yourself a task that one can be closed :) (08:16:53 PM) inode0: floor is yours herlo, go (08:16:57 PM) herlo: I know (08:17:02 PM) herlo: :-D (08:17:04 PM) ***herlo dances (08:17:16 PM) DemonJester: keep your shirt on! (08:17:24 PM) inode0: shirts are next! stop it! (08:17:32 PM) DemonJester: lol (08:17:42 PM) herlo: okay, so I talked with the media company today and we're placing another order tomorrow for ~2300 DVDs (08:18:06 PM) herlo: both x86 and x86_64 (08:18:49 PM) DemonJester: cool! (08:18:53 PM) herlo: that will be approximately $1800 with tax and all (08:19:05 PM) inode0: oh, so 1150 each (08:19:10 PM) herlo: What I need to do next is divvy up the media and get it distributed (08:19:20 PM) herlo: inode0: no, ~2300 each (08:19:32 PM) herlo: or we can get 3000 CDs (08:19:36 PM) inode0: 4600 for 1800, that doesn't add up (08:19:36 PM) QUICKSTART: nice (08:19:57 PM) herlo: no (08:20:09 PM) herlo: $2300 each totalling 4600 for $3600 (08:20:15 PM) herlo: s/$// (08:20:19 PM) herlo: scratch that first $ (08:20:22 PM) inode0: we get the idea now (08:20:30 PM) herlo: goodness! (08:20:57 PM) herlo: I've take the time to update the art online so they will have 64-bit sleeves and disc labels (08:21:08 PM) herlo: I'll have it all up there by tomorrow morning (08:21:10 PM) inode0: or we can get 3000 CDs + what? (08:21:22 PM) herlo: inode0: okay, let me recap (08:21:33 PM) herlo: about 3 days ago, I sent an email with three options (08:21:59 PM) herlo: one was to get LiveCDs x86_64 and Install DVDs (of one type or the other) for the full $3600 (08:22:11 PM) herlo: another was to get Install DVDs of x86 and x86_64 (08:22:24 PM) herlo: this was the one we went with per the responses (08:22:49 PM) QUICKSTART: but doesn't the dvd install take to long? (08:22:52 PM) herlo: inode0: make sense? (08:23:00 PM) herlo: QUICKSTART: we already have x86 LiveCDs (08:23:09 PM) inode0: yes, I agree with getting as many DVDs as we can for the $3600 (08:23:11 PM) QUICKSTART: ahhh ic carrry on (08:23:14 PM) herlo: and it only taks ~20mins... (08:23:20 PM) ***ke4qqq thanks herlo for using the cluebat (08:23:43 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: np (08:23:48 PM) ***QUICKSTART rubs the nobs on his head do to the cluebat (08:24:00 PM) ke4qqq: ohhhhh we have media!!! (08:24:03 PM) herlo: okay, so that order will be in (08:24:11 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: yes!! thanks for joining us :) (08:24:27 PM) ***herlo moves to UPS (08:24:29 PM) ke4qqq: so will they have it before you leave for BOS? (08:24:32 PM) herlo: inode0: that okay? (08:24:38 PM) inode0: yes (08:24:45 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: yes, I believe so (08:24:49 PM) herlo: that's my next topic (08:24:52 PM) ke4qqq: outstanding (08:25:10 PM) ***QUICKSTART jumps for joy but falls out of his computer chair (08:25:18 PM) herlo: so it appears that the issue was with the sleeve printing and the art delay. I'm going to have the art tomorrow so it should only take 10-15 days at most (08:25:22 PM) herlo: that should be enough time (08:25:36 PM) herlo: I've told him we need them by Jan 7, that's the night I leave for FUDCon (08:25:50 PM) ke4qqq: really...... that's interesting feedback - we should document that on the wiki. (08:25:53 PM) herlo: so we *should* have it (08:26:17 PM) ke4qqq: any chance we can include a failure to perform penalty? (08:26:23 PM) herlo: no (08:26:26 PM) herlo: price is too good (08:26:26 PM) QUICKSTART: question where is the cds being shipped from (08:26:32 PM) herlo: QUICKSTART: my house (08:26:33 PM) inode0: let's not negotiate contracts until spot gets here (08:26:38 PM) herlo: hehe (08:26:48 PM) herlo: here's the deal with shipping (08:27:07 PM) ***loupgaroublond lurks and trolls in the background, hi folks (08:27:07 PM) ***QUICKSTART slams his hand to his forehead and shouts 'Of course why couldn't I have thought of that' (08:27:12 PM) herlo: I have a request from stickster for 100+ LiveCDs which I'll be sending out tomorrow (08:27:35 PM) inode0: for FUDcon I presume (08:27:36 PM) herlo: in addition, the boxes hold 310 each and there are 9 of those boxes (08:27:46 PM) ***ke4qqq notes that we still have several package reviews outstanding so no sponsor should get any til those are cleared :) (08:27:49 PM) herlo: one box has 260, and I'm keeping that one (08:27:57 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: lol (08:28:20 PM) herlo: anyway, I figure I'll bring 620 CDs plus all the Install DVDs to FUDCon to give away to contributors there (08:28:31 PM) ke4qqq: f13 also requested some - wonder if he can wait til fudcon? (08:28:33 PM) herlo: so that means we have about 2200 CDs to distribute (08:28:38 PM) stickster: herlo: If you want to bring them to FUDCon, that would be fine (08:28:39 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: true (08:28:43 PM) loupgaroublond: herlo, are you taking orders for who will pick them up at fudcon? (08:28:45 PM) herlo: stickster: okay (08:28:45 PM) stickster: I don't want to bog you down (08:28:50 PM) herlo: just wait (08:28:56 PM) herlo: here's the plan I was thinking :) (08:29:04 PM) herlo: I'll get them shipped to the Regional Ambassadors (08:29:06 PM) herlo: tomorrow (08:29:17 PM) ke4qqq: what's shipping cost? (08:29:22 PM) herlo: they should arrive before FUDCon as I'll use 3 day (08:29:27 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: at this point, don't know (08:29:29 PM) ***ke4qqq cringes (08:29:41 PM) herlo: probably not more than $20 each (08:29:49 PM) jds2001: why use 3 day? (08:29:51 PM) QUICKSTART: dude sweet deal (08:29:53 PM) herlo: but I think it's important to get them out (08:29:58 PM) ke4qqq: when I shipped the laptop to inode0 it was 17 bucks (08:30:02 PM) jds2001: ground will work to get it there by fudcon (08:30:02 PM) herlo: jds2001: just getting them in the hands of contributors (08:30:04 PM) inode0: I don't need them before FUDcon (08:30:14 PM) herlo: jds2001: before (08:30:20 PM) inode0: either way (08:30:24 PM) herlo: but here's why (08:30:43 PM) herlo: the Regional Ambassadors for NA will be the point persons for delivering media to folks in their region (08:31:02 PM) herlo: I will have a hard time getting too many extra things on the plane without having to pay extra for them (08:31:09 PM) ke4qqq: true (08:31:12 PM) herlo: Delta now charges $25/bag (08:31:18 PM) ***herlo will be able to get one bag (08:31:27 PM) herlo: for free, but after that it's still $25/bag (08:31:34 PM) herlo: so the cost is actually better (08:31:35 PM) inode0: shipping them is definitely better than carrying them to Boston to give to us to carry back home imo (08:31:40 PM) ***ke4qqq is fine with standard shipping though. (08:31:42 PM) herlo: inode0: right (08:31:52 PM) herlo: I'll look at the delivery times in the morning (08:31:53 PM) inode0: standard is fine with me too (08:31:58 PM) QUICKSTART: you are correct sir hioooooo (08:32:26 PM) inode0: although I'm eager to see them in person ... (08:32:29 PM) ***DemonJester is in no hurry to get them either (08:32:30 PM) herlo: but I want to have them there *before* FUDCOn so that when requests come, we can distribute them effectively (08:32:40 PM) herlo: which means they need to be in your hands before FUDCon (08:33:03 PM) herlo: IMO (08:33:16 PM) DemonJester: check the costs then determine which shipping method is best (08:33:22 PM) herlo: right (08:33:40 PM) herlo: I think 3-day will be fairly close to ground and thus I chose that (08:33:43 PM) inode0: ok, let's let which shipping method is used dangle and move on (08:33:45 PM) herlo: but it does depend on cost (08:33:53 PM) herlo: inode0: okay, so last thing (08:34:04 PM) ke4qqq: ! (08:34:12 PM) herlo: please all regional ambassadors (and lcafiero) send me your snail mail addresses (08:34:16 PM) herlo: herlo(a)fp.o (08:34:26 PM) inode0: ke4qqq: (08:34:38 PM) herlo: I'll take requests from others as well, but I reserve the right to pass them to the right ambassador for fulfillment (08:34:41 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: go (08:34:43 PM) inode0: first he gets elected then he gets all formal on us (08:34:50 PM) ke4qqq: so also guys - you can order ups supplies for free from ups, so you get boxes and stuff (08:34:57 PM) ***ke4qqq didn't want to interrupt herlo (08:35:05 PM) ke4qqq: order those soon they take 3-4 days to deliver (08:35:16 PM) ke4qqq: and that will give you something to ship media in (08:35:20 PM) jds2001: we already have our own packaging. (08:35:23 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: perfect, I'll do that so I can get one box to bring everything else in (08:35:27 PM) jds2001: oh, for the regionals, yeah (08:35:35 PM) ke4qqq: and also remember this is supposed to last 6 months (08:35:38 PM) ke4qqq: or 5 (08:35:40 PM) ke4qqq: but same thing (08:35:42 PM) herlo: so everyone should have everything by mid-week next (08:35:44 PM) inode0: which packaging are you suggesting for this? (08:35:48 PM) QUICKSTART: so is there a limit for the amount of cds we can ask for? (08:36:03 PM) herlo: QUICKSTART: nope, but you need to justify the amount (08:36:06 PM) ***ke4qqq isn't suggesting anything - just that you order packaging (08:36:11 PM) herlo: in some form. I think we'll hash that out this week (08:36:14 PM) QUICKSTART: cool (08:36:18 PM) QUICKSTART: understandable (08:36:24 PM) herlo: in fact, inode0 can we make a task to hash that out by next meeting :) (08:36:39 PM) inode0: hash what out? (08:37:11 PM) inode0: well, I can make hash that out a task anyway :) (08:37:21 PM) jds2001: how to determine who gets how much media :) (08:37:22 PM) herlo: hash out how we deliver to regionals (08:37:26 PM) lcafiero: Mmmmm hash (08:37:31 PM) herlo: er, individuals (08:37:58 PM) herlo: as far as UPS goes, I was able to add myself to the account yesterday without any hassle (08:38:09 PM) ***DemonJester did as well (08:38:11 PM) ***jds2001 suggests DemonJester getting two boxes and giving one to me :) (08:38:24 PM) DemonJester: lol (08:38:24 PM) ke4qqq: if you need to know, I can tell you what the only charge is for (08:38:29 PM) ke4qqq: and how much (08:38:32 PM) ke4qqq: and where it's going (08:38:38 PM) ke4qqq: and how much I said it weighed (08:38:40 PM) inode0: as did I, as soon as someone bills against it I'll be convinced my 2 hours on the phone with UPS was an utter waste of time (08:38:44 PM) jds2001: put it on the wiki someplace? (08:39:04 PM) herlo: inode0: we'll know tonight as soon as I get snail mail addresses (08:39:12 PM) ***ke4qqq has billed against it (08:39:19 PM) inode0: ok, so we have media and we have UPS accounts (08:39:26 PM) inode0: ke4qqq is special (08:39:35 PM) ke4qqq: ohhh one other thing (08:39:43 PM) inode0: ok, I'm about to move on (08:39:48 PM) ke4qqq: try and ship to your $dayjob if that isn't verboten (08:39:55 PM) ke4qqq: it's cheaper to ship to a commercial place (08:39:58 PM) ke4qqq: eof (08:40:20 PM) inode0: t-shirt update - the floor belongs to DemonJester (08:40:24 PM) jds2001: what if $dyajob is at home 90% of the time :) (08:40:45 PM) ***QUICKSTART thinks 'what would have happended to snail mail if we didn't have snails?' (08:41:02 PM) herlo: sloth mail (08:41:06 PM) inode0: Is DemonJester still with us? (08:41:12 PM) ***herlo yields to DemonJester (08:41:14 PM) DemonJester: T-shirts were ordered today, printing begins on Monday should be delivered to RH Boston by Jan 7 / 8 (08:41:19 PM) ***QUICKSTART 'so true so true' (08:41:28 PM) herlo: DemonJester: w00T! (08:41:36 PM) jds2001: w00t! (08:41:49 PM) QUICKSTART: 0.0 (08:41:49 PM) inode0: what is the thinking about getting them from Boston to wherever they are really going? (08:41:52 PM) jds2001: whose attm? (08:42:06 PM) jds2001: hopefully someone who knows to expect em :) (08:42:21 PM) DemonJester: inode0: no clue.. pack them in suit case?? (08:42:29 PM) jds2001: inode0: my thinking is throw em in the eventbox, no? (08:42:29 PM) ***inode0 travels light (08:42:35 PM) DemonJester: jds2001: mizmo is expecting them (08:42:42 PM) inode0: 300 shirts aren't going into the event box (08:42:43 PM) ***QUICKSTART 'good idea but I ain't doing it' (08:42:57 PM) ke4qqq: I can take a large number of them (08:43:06 PM) herlo: jds2001: DemonJester: we do need to get the Eastern EventBox created and that would be a good start :) (08:43:07 PM) ***ke4qqq isn't flying (08:43:12 PM) jds2001: 300 shirts aren't going in my suitcase either - I travel with a carryon :) (08:43:22 PM) jds2001: 10 might if you're lucky :) (08:43:23 PM) ***QUICKSTART flaps his arms and doesn't get anywhere (08:43:26 PM) ***inode0 says ditto to jds2001 (08:43:41 PM) ke4qqq: 300 shirts is a LOT (08:43:56 PM) DemonJester: I can change the shipping if need be (08:44:02 PM) DemonJester: 9 boxes in all (08:44:12 PM) ke4qqq: can we split shipping (08:44:14 PM) herlo: DemonJester: I think RH Boston is perfect (08:44:18 PM) herlo: for me (08:44:22 PM) ke4qqq: 2 boxes? to each (08:44:26 PM) ke4qqq: herlo: why? (08:44:27 PM) QUICKSTART: so we have to pay for the shirts? (08:44:29 PM) inode0: ok, we'll figure this out but if any are expected to end up with me they'll need to be shipped most likely (maybe by me from FUDcon) (08:44:39 PM) ke4qqq: you have to pay 50 to get them back on the plane (08:44:49 PM) herlo: true (08:45:08 PM) ke4qqq: why not ship two to each regional (08:45:09 PM) herlo: I was going to be building the AmbassadorKits at FUDCon, so I'll probably have a need for at least one box (08:45:15 PM) ke4qqq: if that isn't too complex (08:45:18 PM) ke4qqq: and one to fudcon (08:45:23 PM) herlo: I don't see that being too bad (08:45:25 PM) jds2001: QUICKSTART: the ambassador polos, yes (08:45:31 PM) DemonJester: ke4qqq: that would run up the shipping charges more than likely (08:45:32 PM) inode0: if they are a mix that isn't bad (08:45:32 PM) herlo: it's pretty much the same as Media (08:45:42 PM) QUICKSTART: but for the ones being printed? (08:45:47 PM) ke4qqq: we'll have to pay it one way or another (08:45:49 PM) QUICKSTART: polos not so much (08:45:58 PM) DemonJester: I can check with them, they are closed until Monday (08:45:58 PM) QUICKSTART: k (08:46:05 PM) ke4qqq: k (08:46:14 PM) DemonJester: I will need your snail mails then as well (08:46:25 PM) DemonJester: bpowell01(a)fp.o (08:46:32 PM) ***herlo sends that off (08:46:33 PM) jds2001: QUICKSTART: these are shirts we give out at larger events or in an AmbassadorKit (08:46:39 PM) inode0: why don't the four of us exchange mail and phone numbers and be done with that tonight? :) (08:47:04 PM) ke4qqq: arrghhh now you suggest that after the second email (08:47:12 PM) DemonJester: lol (08:47:20 PM) QUICKSTART: so basically if we order a kit we get one? (08:47:23 PM) herlo: inode0: agreed (08:47:26 PM) ***QUICKSTART crosses my fingers (08:47:43 PM) ***herlo thinks it would be good to have role based perms in FAS to do just that (08:48:01 PM) jds2001: there is :) (08:48:09 PM) G_work: btw, you can send to groupname-sponsors(a)fp.o etc (08:48:15 PM) jds2001: if you're in the 'accounts' group you can see that stuff :) (08:48:28 PM) herlo: not mailing address no? (08:48:34 PM) herlo: oh accounts (08:48:37 PM) DemonJester: eof (08:48:39 PM) G_work: herlo: oh right, doh (08:48:40 PM) ***jds2001 going to be sending to provenpackager-members tonight :) (08:48:46 PM) ***inode0 notes we can close the UPS account creation task and there are no other tasks to process tonight (08:49:10 PM) herlo: yay! (08:49:17 PM) ***herlo puts another mark in his belt (08:49:19 PM) inode0: Open Floor Melee - feel free to throw mud (08:49:29 PM) ***jds2001 throws mud all around (08:49:33 PM) ***ke4qqq splats ianweller with mud (08:49:44 PM) G_work: I have one item as an outsider, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, and a Great FUDCon (08:49:54 PM) jds2001: G_work: :) (08:49:56 PM) ke4qqq: thanks G_work (08:49:58 PM) inode0: we will all see you there (08:50:04 PM) ***DemonJester pulls up chair and watches the two honeys wrestle in the mud :) (08:50:07 PM) G_work: inode0: no you won't :) (08:50:16 PM) inode0: you don't have a webcam? (08:50:33 PM) G_work: inode0: I'll be sleeping most likely during the FUDCon hours (08:50:35 PM) ***inode0 makes a note to project a picture of G on the wall (08:50:37 PM) ianweller: lolwut (08:50:39 PM) ianweller: this meeting is nuts (08:51:03 PM) herlo: ianweller: it's not normally like this, just tonight :) (08:51:04 PM) QUICKSTART: wow (08:51:07 PM) herlo: must be the full moon (08:51:10 PM) G_work: inode0: okay, I'll send you one from the Xmas party :) (08:51:11 PM) DemonJester: ianweller: tis the season :) (08:51:14 PM) inode0: ianweller: this is how productive people behave two days before they get new toys (08:51:20 PM) ianweller: someone get a lof of this and frame it (08:51:20 PM) G_work: inode0: hold on :) (08:51:23 PM) ***lcafiero waits to see if he can get a word about FADNA in edgewise (08:51:25 PM) ianweller: s/lof/log/ (08:51:39 PM) jds2001: lcafiero: sure! (08:51:47 PM) herlo: lcafiero: go! (08:51:54 PM) G_work: inode0: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=75607&l=7451a&id=744113915 pick one :) (08:51:59 PM) herlo: don't listent to inode0, he's a stickler for rules and stuff (08:52:02 PM) inode0: ianweller: I will post the log as I always do (08:52:05 PM) herlo: :) (08:52:14 PM) inode0: timeout (08:52:20 PM) inode0: lcafiero: please proceed (08:52:26 PM) QUICKSTART: wish I could be a fudcon but for those attending have fun (08:52:40 PM) inode0: FADNA has the floor (08:53:09 PM) lcafiero: Okay, FADNA: Talked to Ian and Gareth at SCaLE and they'd be happy to have us. They have some conference rooms available. I have to get from them the cost. (08:53:19 PM) lcafiero: Ilan, not Ian, sorry. (08:53:44 PM) lcafiero: Ilan suggests that we NOT have something during SCaLE itself, but I told him that provisionally we'd have something Sunday like OLF (08:53:54 PM) lcafiero: (but I am not sure, really). (08:54:28 PM) herlo: lcafiero: that sounds reasonable, but they do SCALE on Sunday no? (08:54:36 PM) lcafiero: So they're interested in having us. I haven't talked with LFNW. (08:54:58 PM) herlo: when I was there last year, it seemed Sunday was filled with presentations as well... (08:55:00 PM) lcafiero: SCaLE is on Sunday, too. Ilan's concerned that our event might affect the Sunday program (08:55:12 PM) lcafiero: But I think that's something he doesn't have to worry about. (08:55:39 PM) inode0: should we think about trying to be a test case for the new FAD model? (08:55:44 PM) herlo: I don't think FAD would affect SCaLE, but that SCaLE would affect FAD (08:55:55 PM) lcafiero: That could be. I will talk to him further about that. (08:56:08 PM) lcafiero: Again, I don't have OLF as a reference point because I wasn't there. (08:56:19 PM) herlo: what about a FAD BoF or FAD room for the day. We are going to hav ea booth, we could do something with that I don't know (08:56:22 PM) lcafiero: But I'm assuming FADNA will be held on Sunday morn and early afternoon, like OLF (08:56:26 PM) herlo: sounds like something else to continue hashing out (08:56:33 PM) inode0: I think it might be worth shooting for Q1 or early Q2 if we can pair up with another group (08:56:41 PM) lcafiero: I have to keep talking with these two, but the overall tone is that they want us there. (08:56:45 PM) lcafiero: Which is kind of cool. (08:57:03 PM) herlo: :) (08:57:14 PM) inode0: there may well be funding available to do that right (08:57:53 PM) lcafiero: That's their main question -- how much we have to spend. My response is "how much is the meeting room, for starters?" (08:57:58 PM) lcafiero: We're at that point now. (08:58:14 PM) lcafiero: I'll continue updates this week on the mailing list. (08:58:16 PM) inode0: we really have little to spend in Feb (08:58:30 PM) lcafiero: That's a good point for going with LFNW in April. (08:59:05 PM) inode0: would have more in April, perhaps a lot more if we try to work with another Fedora group (08:59:12 PM) inode0: rather than with a conference (08:59:45 PM) lcafiero: I'd like to go with LFNW myself, but will go with the will of the group. (09:00:17 PM) herlo: lcafiero: chase LFNW if you ask me (09:00:18 PM) jds2001: LFNW could use our presence, IMO (09:00:21 PM) inode0: since there is a new vision proposed for FAD I think we should at least serious think about trying to work with that (09:00:31 PM) herlo: try to pursue both and report back next week? (09:00:59 PM) lcafiero: Will do. (09:01:10 PM) lcafiero: +1 to jds2001 (09:01:23 PM) ***lcafiero is doing three things at once at work -- new personal best (09:01:25 PM) inode0: well to work with the new vision we need to find other groups who are interested (or it would be nice to) (09:02:07 PM) herlo: I think both California and Washington will have lots of folks interested in Fedora (09:02:15 PM) jds2001: but I need to get a flight across the country soon if we're doing this on the west coast. (09:02:27 PM) inode0: I think some advertising is needed to let everyone know that they can participate in FAD now (09:02:28 PM) lcafiero: indeed (09:03:20 PM) jds2001: how bout stemming my flow of negative stuff onto f-announce with such messagin : (09:03:23 PM) jds2001: :) (09:03:46 PM) inode0: perhaps it should be cleared with spevack, I don't know if he is ready (09:03:57 PM) inode0: he likely would do it I would think (09:04:59 PM) inode0: ok, anything else for tonight? (09:05:14 PM) QUICKSTART: nothing that I know (09:05:20 PM) jds2001: is there a meeting next tuesday? (09:05:21 PM) ***QUICKSTART holds his mouth shut (09:05:24 PM) lcafiero: nothing here (09:05:29 PM) inode0: GO Buffalo (09:05:36 PM) inode0: 5 (09:05:36 PM) DemonJester: lol (09:05:38 PM) QUICKSTART: lol Go Yankees (09:05:40 PM) QUICKSTART: 4 (09:05:50 PM) jds2001: go Cardinals! (09:05:53 PM) inode0: stop it, I have to start over when you interrupt the countdown (09:05:55 PM) jds2001: (baseball) (09:05:56 PM) QUICKSTART: 3 (09:05:58 PM) lcafiero: Go Giants (baseball) (09:06:00 PM) QUICKSTART: 2 (09:06:08 PM) inode0: do you want to get kicked QUICKSTART? (09:06:12 PM) QUICKSTART: sorry (09:06:16 PM) inode0: 5 (09:06:17 PM) inode0: 4 (09:06:19 PM) inode0: 3 (09:06:20 PM) inode0: 2 (09:06:22 PM) inode0: 1 (09:06:26 PM) inode0: thank you all (09:06:28 PM) inode0: EOF

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FAmNA Meeting Summary from 2008-12-24
by inode0 04 Jan '09

04 Jan '09

* Announcements - Congratulations to all FAmSCo election participants. - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-December/msg00… - herlo can't wait and announces the arrival of F10 media. * Speaker Recruitment - Recruiting speakers from various areas of the project for future meetings ... Mike McGrath has agreed to come visit. Suggestions to contact rdieter and spot, jds2001 volunteered. * Media Update - herlo reports F10 live CDs arrived. http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/f10media - Discussion about ordering the second batch of media to be available around the time of FUDconF11 - 2300 each of the installation DVDs for x86 and x86_64 will be ordered. - Boxes of media are being shipped to each regional NA ambassador for shipping on to ambassadors within their regions. - UPS account for shipping NA swag/media is in place - some details still need to be ironed out. * t-shirt Update - 300 assorted Fedora t-shirts should be waiting for us in Boston. * Tasks [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Tasks] * Open Floor - Some further discussion of FADNA plans for the first half of 2009. I would again like to thank all the participants, especially the new ambassadors joining us for the first time tonight.

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REMINDER French Meeting today 1930UTC #fedora-meeting
by Thomas Canniot 04 Jan '09

04 Jan '09

This mail is a reminder for today´s meeting for French ambassadors and _every_ interested people. 2009-01-04 / 19:30 UTC IRC: freenode #fedora-meeting Ce mail est un rappel pour la réunion des ambassadeurs francophones, qui aura lieu ce dimanche (04 jan.) à 20h30 heure de Paris sur IRC (freenode) #fedora-meeting . L'ordre du jour est disponible depuis cette page : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FrenchTeam/Reunions N'hésitez pas à le modifier pour rajouter des sujets qui vous semblent intéressants. Thomas Canniot

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kernel upgrade breaks sound line-out (speaker port)
by Debjit Saha 03 Jan '09

03 Jan '09

an upgrade to kernel 2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i686 from kernel 2.6.27.7-134.fc10.i686 has rendered the line-out not working for me. as in when I use the laptop speakers I get sound but when I connect the speakers to the line-out port I dont get sound!!!

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Fedora Brazil Magazine #4 released
by Henrique Junior 03 Jan '09

03 Jan '09

To end 2008 with a cherry on top, the Fedora Project is glad to announce the release of the 4th issue of Fedora Brazil Magazine. This issue brings a editorial written by Augusto Campos, who draws a retrospective review of Fedora's 5 years and he presents a picture of how it changed the Linux Distributions ecosystem after Fedora's first release announcement. Furthermore, the magazine displays a special approach to the brand new Fedora 10, presenting it in a clearly and simply way all new features and changes of this new release. Enjoy yourself and take part of Fedora Brazil Magazine's promotion and compete for a copy of the book "*Java – Fundamentos, prática & certificação*", by Adilson Bonanovisk. Shell script classes continues. There is also a stroll through SELinux mysteries, headshots in Urban Terror game and an unfailing walkthrough to build your own Fedora up. And there's a lot more, 66 pages where variety won't be a problem. Happy new year and do not forget to download the magazine in the link below: http://www.projetofedora.org/revista/RevistaFedoraBrasil004.pdf P.S.: Scribus source in the beginning of January. -- Henrique "LonelySpooky" Junior http://www.lonelyspooky.com ------------------------------------------------------------- "In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?!"

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OSCON CFP
by David Nalley 03 Jan '09

03 Jan '09

OSCON CFP recently opened on and deadline is in just over a month (3 February 2009) Now is the time to get your presentations ready and submitted.

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Picture Book....
by Doug Berry 02 Jan '09

02 Jan '09

Concerning the Fedora Picture Book.... I have heard from several dozen printers and publishers over the last several weeks. There are several things I would like to comment on: 1. Using a printer or print-run publisher would be unfeasible because we would have to store and ship books ourselves, to say nothing of mailing costs. 2. Using a POD Publisher, such a Lulu or iUniverse is probably the most readily available option, but it would be the most expensive. For instance, for a 130 page full color book, Lulu would charge $30.50 per book. Anything we make would be added on to that base cost. Most of the other top POD Publishers charge a set fee, such as BookSurge a $499.00 color book package. 3. Using the same POD publishers, if we went with a color cover but black and white interior, the price would drop substantially: Lulu - $8.75 per book after their setup fee. 4. The most economical option would be to go to the POD publishing source itself, which is Lightning Source. They are the printer/distributor for most of the POD Publishers, including Lulu. The drawback here is that we would have to commit to publishing more than one book. If we use Lightning Source the base cost for the full color book would be $6.80 per book. We could sell it for $14.00, not an unreasonable price and make over $7.00 a book. Our costs would be $144.00 up front for their set-up costs. As you can see, we would only have to sell a couple dozen books to recoup that cost. 5. Perhaps, if we used Lightning Source we could do a Picture Book for each Fedora Release. "The people of Fedora 11," then use the same event photos, but add pictures and bios of core developers, Red Hat people, other Project members, etc. I have created a breakdown of the whole process, with cost comparisons. Plus some ideas I had about adding new writers and perhaps artists if we go with some sort of publishing project. I will add links to these documents on the Picture Book wiki, asap. Here are the links if anyone is interested: http://www.scribd.com/doc/9668043/publishing http://www.scribd.com/doc/9669285/wiki What does anybody think? -- w Douglas Berry -- slasherzee(a)fedoraproject.org

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Re: [Ambassadors] Fedora 10 How To
by Charly Manjarrez 01 Jan '09

01 Jan '09

I think its better translate into english then in your native language, happy new year!!! -- mens. original -- Asunto: Re: [Ambassadors] Fedora 10 How To De: "Randika Rathugama" <randika(a)randika.com> Fecha: 01/01/2009 07:09 Yeah, but we should get the permission from the Author I think? On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Danishka Navin <danishka(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Randika, > > Lets translate in to Sinhala, once finished the proof read for en_US. > > Danishka > > Randika Rathugama wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> This is an admirable work. it's well documented. I don't know how to speak >> or read in Spanish. but I read the whole doc using the google translator. >> Those who happy to translate it to English can do the same. >> >> for a an example see how the first page looks like once translated. Please >> click the link below. >> >> Thanks. >> Randika Rathugama (Sri Lanka) >> >> >> =============================================================================================== >> >> >> http://translate.google.com/translate_t#es|en|Fedora%2010%3A%20Parte%20I%20…<http://translate.google.com/translate_t#es%7Cen%7CFedora%2010%3A%20Parte%20…> >> > on%20especificaciones%20inferiores%2C%20y%20es%20cierto%2C%20sin%20embargo%2C%20como%20PC%20casero%20y%0Areemplazo%20de%20Windows%20en%20el%20escritorio%20es%20conveniente%20tener%20un%20PC%20modestamente%20r%C3%A1pido%0Apara%20sacar%20el%20mejor%20provecho%20a%20Fedora.%0AAhora%20es%20preciso%20descargar%20las%20im%C3%A1genes%20de%20instalaci%C3%B3n%20de%20Fedora.%20Est%C3%A1%20disponible%20una%0Aimagen%20(LiveCD%20%C3%B3%20Medio%20vivo)%20que%20usted%20encontrar%C3%A1%20en%20dos%20versiones%3A%20Gnome%20%C3%B3%20KDE%20de%0Aacuerdo%20al%20escritorio%20de%20su%20preferencia > > >> < >> http://translate.google.com/translate_t#es%7Cen%7CFedora%2010%3A%20Parte%20… >> > > ionar%20con%20especificaciones%20inferiores%2C%20y%20es%20cierto%2C%20sin%20embargo%2C%20como%20PC%20casero%20y%0Areemplazo%20de%20Windows%20en%20el%20escritorio%20es%20conveniente%20tener%20un%20PC%20modestamente%20r%C3%A1pido%0Apara%20sacar%20el%20mejor%20provecho%20a%20Fedora.%0AAhora%20es%20preciso%20descargar%20las%20im%C3%A1genes%20de%20instalaci%C3%B3n%20de%20Fedora.%20Est%C3%A1%20disponible%20una%0Aimagen%20%28LiveCD%20%C3%B3%20Medio%20vivo%29%20que%20usted%20encontrar%C3%A1%20en%20dos%20versiones%3A%20Gnome%20%C3%B3%20KDE%20de%0Aacuerdo%20al%20escritorio%20de%20su%20preferencia>. > >> >> =============================================================================================== >> >> >> 2008/12/31 Santosh Kumar <santosh(a)fedoraproject.org <mailto: >> santosh(a)fedoraproject.org>> >> >> Hi all >> I'd love to work on the translation. Does anyone have any >> objections? >> >> Santosh >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Santosh >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Mani A <a.mani.cms(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:a.mani.cms@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> >> >> 2008/12/20 Diego Escobar wrote: >> >> > >> > Hi all: >> > >> > Now, it's avaible a little "how to" for Fedora 10 named >> "Aprende Fedora 10" >> > (Learning Fedora 10). This guide is designed for new Linux >> and Fedora user's >> > and its part of spread Fedora on Latam and spanish speakers >> people (its in >> > Spanish ;) ). Installation, productivity, instant messaging >> until >> > customization are convered on easy way. >> > >> > If you consider useful you can download it: >> > http://suservidorwp.googlepages.com/AprendeFedora10.pdf >> >> Nice work. >> >> Please try to use persistent internal links within the document. >> >> The image with partitions is just bad. ntfs--90+GB and / --20Gb. >> please use a better image with plenty of Linux partitions and >> bigger / >> (you can reduce the ntfs one to 9GB or just remove it). It >> sends the >> wrong messages. >> >> Best >> >> A. Mani >> >> >> -- >> A. Mani >> Member, Cal. Math. Soc >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iD8DBQFJW4RvoIK4BlImohYRArlaAJ9p73m2+ao0xQdgLiHm+GfFW4qHgwCdGawC >> xL6bpBdJC2Rp3BYzeuaTWoY= >> =65Hy >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> -- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com >> <mailto:Fedora-ambassadors-list@redhat.com> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list >> >> >> >> >> -- Santosh Kumar >> >> >> **************** CAUTION - Disclaimer >> ************ >> This e-mail contains PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION >> intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not >> the intended recipient, please notify the sender by e-mail and >> delete the original message. Further, you are not to copy, >> disclose, or distribute this e-mail or its contents to any other >> person and any such actions are unlawful. This e-mail may contain >> viruses. 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Fedora 10 How To
by Diego Escobar 01 Jan '09

01 Jan '09

Hi all: Now, it's avaible a little "how to" for Fedora 10 named "Aprende Fedora 10" (Learning Fedora 10). This guide is designed for new Linux and Fedora user's and its part of spread Fedora on Latam and spanish speakers people (its in Spanish ;) ). Installation, productivity, instant messaging until customization are convered on easy way. If you consider useful you can download it: http://suservidorwp.googlepages.com/AprendeFedora10.pdf Official Announce: http://proyectofedora.org/colombia/manuales/%C2%A1aprende-fedora-10/ Suggestions are welcome. Regards! -- Diego Escobar Fedora Ambassador for Colombia Fedora Release 9 (Sulphur): Linux Kernel 2.6.25 + Gnome 2.22

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