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Review about Free Software Conference 2009 in Budapest, Hungary
by Robert Scheck 08 Nov '09

08 Nov '09

Good evening, now that I'm safely back at home, I'll write a bit about the Free Software Conference 2009 (Hungarian: Szabad Szoftver Konferencia 2009) in Budapest, Hungary. The event itself was organized by the FSF Hungary and took place in the building for scientific and economy of the university in Budapest. Unfortunately, one week before the event, some health issues appeared at Christoph Wickert, who initially wanted to attend the event. In the end, Joerg Simon asked me to attend and that's how I made it in. On Friday evening, I flew from Stuttgart via Frankfurt am Main to Budapest - it was my first trip to Hungary at all and I noticed, that they are still lacking English knowledge at signs/labels and people. Usually you can guess the meaning of words in a foreign language - but not at Hungarian, they're completely different. Nevertheless I managed it with a 30 minutes taxi trip to get to my hotel (the airport is ~ 15 km away from the city center). At early Saturday morning, I met Zoltán Hoppár in the hotel lobby. He's our first and currently only Hungarian Fedora Ambassador the first time as far as I know. Together we moved on to the university and prepared our booth. At 9:00 am the event officially started, at 10:00 am our workshop "Building RPMs made easy" started (thanks again to Christoph for providing me his German presentation about the same topic as template for my English one), but nobody was there! Fortunately after a few more minutes people showed up and told us that the previous presentation was a bit too long. Zoltán was so friendly to translate my whole workshop on-the-fly into Hungarian - that was a lot of work, because 50 minutes are less time for something huge like RPM packaging and I had to hurry up a bit to get all slides and a packaging example done. The rest of the day we mainly promoted Fedora, handed out media and swag, answered questions around the OLPC XO and tried to encourage new Hungarian Fedora Contributors and Ambassadors - I think we hopefully got a handful people in total, some of them directly signed up in FAS at our booth. I've to say "thank you" to Zoltán here as well, because most of the visitors did not speak and understand English - so Zoltán was really a lot of the time only translating both ways. Nevertheless, it was definately a great event! And it was a real community event, even that some commercial sponsors have been around. According to the FSF Hungary, it was a worse event measured by the visitors, they've counted ~ 350 visitors for the whole day. Did I say, that I like and appreciate how Zoltán is acting, even he's a relatively new contributor and the past event was one of his first (or the first?) Fedora event? :) Of course we've made pictures, but I'm still looking for a good place to host them, I personally dislike Flickr and similar portals. Maybe we can setup a pictures.fedoraproject.org with a gallery and everybody in FAS can upload pictures there? Of course we would need the events as a group or category. Ideas? Suggestions? In the evening, Zoltán and I went for lunch to the Soul Café & Restaurant and I ordered some typical Hungarian food to get impressions there as well. Of course we've twaddled about possible future events and some ideas - how else could it be? :) Joerg and Christoph: Next time, Zoltán would like to see us all three at an event - maybe we get it managed for FOSDEM? On Sunday, I flew back from Budapest via Munich to Stuttgart (the last part of the trip with a tiny prop airliner) - and unfortunately Lufthansa didn't manage it to bring my baggage to Stuttgart. I started baggage tracking, but right now and even hours after, they've absolutely no clue as the digital tracking for my baggage is somehow just empty. If they are incompetent, we have lost (beside of my clothes, shoes, washbag etc.) some Fedora plastic banners, my Fedora Ambassador polos and the presents from Zoltán - and that would be a real loss. Let's hope and cross fingers... Finally, I've to say "thank you" to Zoltán, Joerg and Christoph for their work, efforts and support around the event! Not to forget a "thank you" to Fedora EMEA e.V. for the financial support to get me there. Greetings, Robert

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FOSS.IN 2009 - Short list of selected talks
by susmit shannigrahi 07 Nov '09

07 Nov '09

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org> To: sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org, fedora-india(a)redhat.com Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:09:30 +0530 Subject: Re: [fedora-india] FOSS.IN 2009 - Short list of selected talks On 11/07/2009 07:06 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > > Fedora Contributors and other Red Hat folks: > > http://foss.in/news/foss-in2009-first-shortlist.html oops, left a few still: Main Session: Debayan Banerjee OCR: Current status of free Indic OCR Siddhesh Poyarekar Ayttm: Face Lifts, porting and hacks Siddhesh Poyarekar Libyahoo2: Getting up to speed Rahul -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= Sent from Calcutta, WB, India

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FOSS.IN 2009 - Short list of selected talks
by susmit shannigrahi 07 Nov '09

07 Nov '09

It was discarded by spam/bounce filter. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org> To: The Fedora Project Community in India <fedora-india(a)redhat.com> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:06:38 +0530 Subject: FOSS.IN 2009 - Short list of selected talks Hi Fedora Contributors and other Red Hat folks: http://foss.in/news/foss-in2009-first-shortlist.html Main Sessions: Dimitris Glezos Building a disruptive open source project James Morris Secure and Simple Sandboxing in SELinux James Morris FOSS Security Workshop 2009 Kushal Das Deadly Combo — Python and newt Kushal Das Hacking Boog Lennart Poettering PulseAudio Internals Lennart Poettering The Linux File System Hierarchy from a Developer’s Perspective FOSS Talk Lennart Poettering Is S.M.A.R.T. really that clever? Rahul Sundaram Exploring PackageKit, a cross distribution standard software management framework Fedora Project day: Joerg Simon The Fedora Security Spin and the OSSTMM Kedar Sovani Fedora ARM: Past, Present and Future (It is listed as a main conference talk however. Kedar, want to change this?) Shreyank Gupta Dorrie (Might want to clarify that this is part of Fedora Project day and give a proper description of what this is all about) Susmit Shannigrahi Redrawing and rewriting Fedora Distribution process Rahul Sundaram How to create your own Fedora Remix Rahul Sundaram Integrating a Free and open source software project into Fedora --- Rock and Roll, Rahul -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit =============================================

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Chemnitzer Linuxtage 2010
by Joerg Simon 06 Nov '09

06 Nov '09

Hi Ambassadors, since years we are present at Chemnitzer Linuxtage - CLT http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de and always had a great and successfull time - Max wrote a great report about the 2009 event http://spevack.livejournal.com/76427.html On https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADEMEA2009 we decided to make CLT one of the big events for EMEA in 2010. Now the CfP is out and i will take care for our "Call for Presentations" which means to have a booth, dev-room etc. If you are interested to give a talk, feel free to follow the "Call for Lectures" http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2010/vortraege/call_form.html I will try to get a separate Dev/Project Room - so we can give our own Talking Track independent from the official "Call for Lectures". Update on that soon! More Details on the Event Page https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Chemnitzer_Linuxtage_2010 - expect more updates soon. The German CfP from the CLT Team: Neues Jahr – neues Outfit ========================= Mit neuem Outfit stellt sich die Webseite der 12. Chemnitzer Linux-Tage vor. 2010 wird es also wieder eine Menge interessanter Vorträge, Workshops und Projekte im Hörsaalgebäude an der Reichenhainer Straße geben. Die Themenschwerpunkte lauten dieses Mal: * Dienste und Dämonen * Neue Desktops * Embedded * Privatsphäre trotz Netz Ab sofort ist es möglich, sich mit einem Vortrag, Stand oder Workshop anzumelden, um im März 2010 das Programm mitzugestalten. Natürlich werden wie immer auch Beiträge für das Einsteigerforum gesucht. * Call for Lectures [0] * Call for Presentations [1] Neu in diesem Jahr ist die Möglichkeit, ein eingereichtes Paper im CLT-Tagungsband veröffentlichen zu lassen. Immer auf dem Laufenden ======================= Damit Fans und Interessierte nicht nur am Veranstaltungswochenende die Chemnitzer Linux-Tage live erleben, kann sich ab sofort jeder über den aktuellen Stand der Vorbereitungen, Nachbereitungen und sonstigen Aktivitäten per Identi.ca[2], Twitter[3] oder Facebook[4] informieren. Vorfreude ========= Schon jetzt kann sich jeder mit den Aufzeichnungen der CLT 2009 ein bisschen Vortragsfeeling nach Hause holen. Die Videos aus den Vortragsräumen V1 und V4 stehen ab sofort zum Download und zum direkten Anschauen bereit. [0] http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2010/vortraege/call_form.html [1] http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2010/live/call_form.html [2] http://identi.ca/clt/ [3] http://twitter.com/clt_news [4] http://www.facebook.com/chemnitzer.linuxtage -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon(a)fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688

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Fedora Ambassadors Welcome
by Joerg Simon 06 Nov '09

06 Nov '09

Dear Ambassadors, let´s welcome our new sponsored Ambassador Group Members: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Anast from Greece mentored by Robert Scheck https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Actown from the USA mentored by Larry Cafiero Regards Joerg p.s. Please do not send private "Welcome" Messages to Ambassador List -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsimon(a)fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688

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FAmSCo Meeting Report
by Francesco Ugolini 05 Nov '09

05 Nov '09

Hi, if you are interested, here is the FAmSCo meeting HTML summary: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-11-05/fedora-meeting.2… For any doubt, feel free to ask. Best regards Francesco Ugolini p.s. Just a small clarification from the log: it's not Matt but John Rose the election coordinator.

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Upcoming events in India
by Chitlesh GOORAH 05 Nov '09

05 Nov '09

Hello there, I came across this blog post today http://pramode.net/2009/11/04/a-lot-of-pythonfoss-events-in-november And ultimately landed on FOSSEE.in which will be held in the upcoming days. http://fossee.in/ These opensource events will properly talk briefly about Fedora Electronic Lab and other scientific software. I would appreciate if someone could drop by and have a look how fedora's and FEL's exposure is doing during these events and ultimately using your ambassador powers provide some inputs which can benefit the opensource eco-system. thank you kind regards, Chitlesh

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Fedora Ambassadors NA Summary and log
by Scott McBrien 04 Nov '09

04 Nov '09

Hi everyone, just wanted to drop the summary and log of the recent Fedora NA Ambassadors meeting from Tuesday. A high level overview of topics: Larry reminds us that SCaLE is rapidly approaching, February is just around the corner Recap of the best way to handle NA donations SWAG update on inventory as well as new items in queue RFC on NA Freemedia The meeting bot minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-11-04/fedora-meeting.2… For your convenience the log is in included, but can also be found at: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-11-04/fedora-meeting.2… 02:00:13 <StabbyMc> #startmeeting 02:00:13 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Nov 4 02:00:13 2009 UTC. The chair is StabbyMc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 02:00:13 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 02:00:16 <VileGent> i always heard it was the chairpersons watch is to one that matters 02:00:20 <lcafiero> .fas lcafiero 02:00:21 <zodbot> lcafiero: lcafiero 'Larry Cafiero' <larrycafiero(a)cruzio.com> 02:00:21 <jds2001> .fas jstanley 02:00:22 <PhrkOnLsh> .fas rrix 02:00:24 <zodbot> jds2001: jstanley 'Jon Stanley' <jonstanley(a)gmail.com> 02:00:27 <zodbot> PhrkOnLsh: rrix 'Ryan Rix' <phrkonaleash(a)gmail.com> 02:00:30 <Grantbow__> .fas grantbow 02:00:30 <VileGent> .fasinfo jbwillia 02:00:33 <zodbot> Grantbow__: grantbow 'Grant Bowman' <grantbow(a)gmail.com> 02:00:34 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassador meeting 11/3 02:00:37 <zodbot> VileGent: User: jbwillia, Name: Ben Williams, email: vaioof(a)yahoo.com, Creation: 2006-04-17, IRC Nick: Southern_Gentleman, Timezone: US/Eastern, Locale: en, Extension: 5100572, GPG key ID: 295A4FBC, Status: active 02:00:37 <Ac-town> .fasinfo actown 02:00:40 <zodbot> VileGent: Approved Groups: cla_done ambassadors freemedia cla_fedora gitcourses irc-support-operators 02:00:43 <zodbot> VileGent: Unapproved Groups: None 02:00:44 <StabbyMc> .fas smcbrien 02:00:46 <zodbot> Ac-town: User: actown, Name: Derrick Dymock, email: actown(a)gmail.com, Creation: 2009-10-03, IRC Nick: Ac-town, Timezone: US/Pacific, Locale: en, Extension: 5138529, GPG key ID: 0xFEB5BB3B, Status: active 02:00:49 <zodbot> Ac-town: Approved Groups: cla_done cla_fedora sysadmin-test blogadmin 02:00:52 <zodbot> Ac-town: Unapproved Groups: sysadmin ambassadors 02:00:55 <zodbot> StabbyMc: smcbrien '' <scott(a)mcbrien.net> 02:01:05 <lcafiero> Wow, zod handled that well 02:01:05 <StabbyMc> Anyone else for roll call? 02:01:10 <PhrkOnLsh> poor zod :) 02:01:32 <StabbyMc> #topic NA Events 02:01:45 <StabbyMc> Ok lcafiero you have the floor 02:01:48 * lcafiero raises hand 02:01:51 <lcafiero> Thanks, StabbyMc 02:02:16 <lcafiero> I just wanted to bring up to beat the holiday rush that SCaLE is being held on Feb. 19-21 in Los Angeles. 02:02:46 <PhrkOnLsh> lcafiero: what is the deadline to register? 02:02:51 <StabbyMc> lcafiero: what kind of events are at SCaLE? 02:02:54 <lcafiero> The Linux Dairy Council, which I'll talk about more later, wants to do a "megabooth" which SCaLE thinks would be OK 02:03:17 <lcafiero> SCaLE is the Southern California Linux Expo -- it's sort of the first big show of the year. 02:03:31 <lcafiero> So there's a booth and talks and we normally have a FAD 02:03:40 <lcafiero> Which we'll probably have this year as well. 02:04:10 * jds2001 wants to get out there again..... 02:04:29 <lcafiero> The idea that's being bounced around is having one large booth/one large area for all distros and desktops to be together. 02:04:46 <lcafiero> So I don't know how that affects budget, but I will be asking for sponsorship again. 02:04:53 <lcafiero> I just wanted to put this on the radar. 02:05:08 * nb here 02:05:10 <lcafiero> Unless there are questions, I can put more information on the mailing list 02:05:11 <PhrkOnLsh> i'm confused by that... It's a Linux expo... and they want to group all the linuxen into one big group? 02:05:14 * VileGent wants to go, and will if finances allows 02:05:34 * PhrkOnLsh will go if rents approve. I'll chill in the Fedora booth :) 02:05:38 <VileGent> PhrkOnLsh, sounds like what most east coast cons 02:05:41 <lcafiero> Not that confusing, PhrkOnLsh -- in the past, we were on one end of the floor, OpenSUSE on another, Ubuntu on even another. 02:05:58 <jds2001> and KDE way out where 02:06:04 <jds2001> etc etc 02:06:17 <lcafiero> The megabooth idea, floated by Joe Brockmeier of OpenSUSE, would have all the distros and DEs together 02:06:26 <lcafiero> DE = Desktop Environment 02:06:32 <PhrkOnLsh> ahh 02:06:46 <PhrkOnLsh> well, i thought it meant they'd be represented as one :) 02:06:49 <lcafiero> And all the other exhibitors wherever they may fall on the floor map. 02:06:51 <PhrkOnLsh> and I omgwtfbbq'd 02:06:57 <lcafiero> Heh. 02:07:01 <jds2001> oh, no :) 02:07:06 <jds2001> but we do all get along :) 02:07:24 <PhrkOnLsh> I'll bring toiler paper ;) we can TP the *buntus ;) 02:07:29 <PhrkOnLsh> </joking> 02:07:52 <StabbyMc> Any other events need mentioning? 02:07:52 <lcafiero> But I wanted to just bring everyone up to speed on this. 02:08:09 * jds2001 needs to do blog post on CPOSC 02:08:11 * jds2001 fails 02:08:32 <StabbyMc> lcafiero: We probably need to add this as a recurring event once a month, maybe more when it looms closer. 02:08:47 <lcafiero> Got it, StabbyMc (makes a note) 02:09:05 <StabbyMc> jds2001: anything good for CPOSC? 02:09:08 <VileGent> hopefully its on the event list 02:09:49 <jds2001> StabbyMc: well attended, excellent venue this year, got a lot of compliments on the booth 02:09:58 <jds2001> the vertical banners were a big hit :) 02:10:04 <jds2001> the ubuntu folks loved em 02:10:07 <lcafiero> +1 big hit at UTOSC too. 02:10:12 <StabbyMc> jds2001: what kind of traffic did you get? 02:10:13 <lcafiero> (sorry) 02:10:48 <StabbyMc> nm, I'll wait for the report ;-) 02:10:50 <jds2001> StabbyMc: reasonable 02:10:52 <StabbyMc> Other events? 02:10:52 <jds2001> sorry 02:11:26 <StabbyMc> Ok, then lets shift gears. 02:11:26 <PhrkOnLsh> ABLEconf was weekend before last. I gve out a ton of media. 02:11:32 <StabbyMc> oops. 02:11:33 <PhrkOnLsh> But I already blagged about it. 02:11:36 <PhrkOnLsh> move along :) 02:11:41 <StabbyMc> :-) 02:11:47 <StabbyMc> #topic NA Budget 02:12:00 <StabbyMc> So I had an interesting thing come up this week RE Budget. 02:12:14 <StabbyMc> I was hoping some of the more experienced ambassadors could advise. 02:12:29 <StabbyMc> I have a friend who switched his company over to all Fedora thinclients. 02:12:43 <StabbyMc> He'd like to donate the savings from the conversion to us. 02:13:04 <StabbyMc> But since our budget and whatnot is handled by RH, and he doesn't want to write a check to RH ... 02:13:15 <StabbyMc> So inode0 suggested that he buy us stuff. 02:13:27 <VileGent> +1 02:13:40 <StabbyMc> Someone else suggested that they use that money to pay an employee for some hours to donate to an OSS project. 02:14:03 <VileGent> +1 as well 02:14:04 <lcafiero> Could you tell us how much we're talking about here? 02:14:07 <PhrkOnLsh> alright folks I'm out, sorry for splitting so early. 02:14:11 <StabbyMc> I think the first option, where he buys us stuff is more likely, though he's only going to want to do one transaction. 02:14:19 <StabbyMc> lcafiero: we haven't gotten that far. 02:14:22 <lcafiero> Just curious, but if you can't that's okay. 02:14:22 <Ac-town> +1 for the oss project 02:14:25 <lcafiero> Ah, got it. 02:14:39 <StabbyMc> I'm still trying to figure out the mechanics of how one could donate to Fedora. 02:14:59 <inode0> There are no mechanics for giving cash to Fedora in NA 02:15:01 <lcafiero> I don't know if you can, StabbyMc 02:15:06 <lcafiero> (what inode0 said) 02:15:10 <VileGent> StabbyMc, i say buy some swag 02:15:17 <StabbyMc> Well, not by writing a check, no. 02:15:20 <inode0> You can give cash the non-profit in EMEA 02:15:32 <StabbyMc> Ok. 02:15:37 <jds2001> but that will be locked away in EMEA 02:15:54 <inode0> not really, they can spend it how they see fit 02:15:57 * nb wonders why not to make a nonprofit in NA 02:16:06 <jds2001> lots of reasons. 02:16:08 <inode0> don't go there nb :) 02:16:16 <StabbyMc> I have a feeling that he'd be OK with buying swag, but I think he's going to want to keep it to one transaction, so once i know how much we're talking about, I can advise more. 02:16:32 <jds2001> that's likely the best 02:16:38 <inode0> actually there is ongoing work to that end, but let's discuss it later 02:16:45 <jds2001> and we'd like to give his company credit somehow, too. 02:16:48 <StabbyMc> But I also thought this was a topic that would be good to just throw out there so some newer ambassadors could benefit from the discussion as welll. 02:16:52 <lcafiero> Also, putting an employee on an OSS project would be good, too. 02:17:15 <StabbyMc> jds2001: I don't think you want to do that, they're ... um ... Adult Themed. 02:17:27 <jds2001> ok, then maybe not :) 02:17:56 <StabbyMc> Ok, so I'll follow up on that, and see what I can nail down. 02:18:03 <lcafiero> This has some promotional possibilities for all involved -- media-wise. 02:18:04 <inode0> maybe they can work a deal with gnaughty? 02:18:13 <jds2001> but do let me know who they are so I can utilize their products :D 02:18:20 <StabbyMc> lol 02:18:29 <StabbyMc> Anyone else have any Budget items? 02:18:43 <inode0> don't you? 02:18:51 <StabbyMc> I don't know, do I? 02:19:02 <inode0> swag research? 02:19:21 <StabbyMc> inode0: I need more to jog my slow mind. 02:19:28 <VileGent> well i was looking into usb keys and they are still way too expensive $9.20 each in 500 quanities 02:19:42 <inode0> shirts, clings, etc 02:19:57 <StabbyMc> inode0: ah, I have that in the "Task List Review" section! 02:20:04 <VileGent> 1gb or 2gb size same price 02:20:19 * inode0 stops trying to run the meeting, slaps his own fingers 02:20:25 <StabbyMc> lol 02:20:36 <Grantbow__> I've also noticed some artificial limits on downward pricing of USB sticks 02:20:37 <lcafiero> No, let me do that for you, inode0 02:21:03 <VileGent> swag wise what do we have the most of 02:21:30 <StabbyMc> #topic Swag and Task List Review 02:21:35 <inode0> sticker sheets and tattoos 02:21:36 <VileGent> or what do we need i guess is the best question 02:21:37 * jds2001 has stuff left over from CPOSC, but not shirts. 02:22:06 <StabbyMc> BTW, how much do we pay per piece for the splatter shirts? 02:22:20 * StabbyMc is curious. 02:22:23 <inode0> about $6 02:22:34 * jds2001 has tattoos (which i didnt even realize were in the bag til tmz pointed it out), pens, stickers, etc. 02:23:18 <inode0> the old white shirts were about $3.75 02:23:25 <StabbyMc> So the regional distribution folks, we running low on anything in particular? 02:23:34 <inode0> most everything 02:23:44 <lcafiero> Usually everything. 02:24:01 * jds2001 will take inventory and get back with what I've got that's sitting in my apartment and doing nothing productive. 02:24:04 <StabbyMc> So is there anything so awesome that we want to do a replenishment order instead of ordering new items? 02:24:17 <lcafiero> I left all the stuff for the West Coast in the event box, so that's all I have, and I think herlo still has it. 02:24:23 <inode0> what new items are under consideration? 02:24:41 <lcafiero> If I remember correctly, we're still good with tattoos, pens and case badges 02:24:50 <StabbyMc> PhrkOnLsh has been working on stressballs, but is just starting the research to getting quotes. 02:24:59 * lcafiero has been very stingy with case badges. 02:25:02 <StabbyMc> I 02:25:10 <StabbyMc> I've been working on Window Clings 02:25:13 * inode0 applauds lcafiero 02:25:23 <StabbyMc> I think those are the only new items in the pipeline. 02:25:25 <Ac-town> window clings +1 02:25:42 <StabbyMc> Ok, I wanted to talk a little about those. 02:25:43 <inode0> we have probably 1K pens floating about 02:26:05 <StabbyMc> So I got some samples and the window clings I got are only cling-y on one side. 02:26:24 <StabbyMc> Plus they only cling to smooth surfaces, so like my IBM laptop, no love. 02:26:29 <StabbyMc> Windows they work like champs. 02:26:53 <nb> what is the cost on them? 02:26:58 <nb> and how big? 02:26:58 <StabbyMc> But for about the same money as clings we can get nice vynl stickers like what they have in EMEA 02:27:41 <VileGent> which vinyl sticker are you talking about 02:27:53 <inode0> nice stickers aren't all that expensive, just need someone to line them up and we'd buy some 02:27:56 <StabbyMc> .277 cents per piece if we order 2500. 02:28:07 <StabbyMc> so like $700 02:28:17 <StabbyMc> For clings 02:28:44 <inode0> half that amount I'd sign off on without thinking about it 02:29:00 <inode0> 1250 of those seems like quite a lot to me 02:29:20 <jds2001> price/piece probably goes up though 02:29:25 <inode0> not everyone would want to decorate their cars and houses with them 02:29:35 <inode0> 1000 is a lot 02:29:45 <inode0> get my point :) 02:29:49 <StabbyMc> inode0: 530 for 750 of them. 02:30:17 <VileGent> but they dont eat, and you dont have to change their diaper 02:30:18 <inode0> I'd have to think on that 02:30:23 <StabbyMc> But I've been thinking that vynl stickers would appeal to a larger audience. 02:30:34 <jds2001> yeah, they would 02:30:42 <inode0> StabbyMc: they would, but don't think either/or 02:30:45 <VileGent> depends on the sticker you are refering to 02:30:46 <jds2001> so is pricing similar on those? 02:31:13 <StabbyMc> jds2001: I looked only briefly at it, but I seem to remember that it was similar. 02:31:42 <VileGent> StabbyMc, are you referring to the 3" voice sticker 02:31:43 <StabbyMc> VileGent: EMEA has a sticker that's vynl of the Finity. 02:31:55 <inode0> we can get sticker sheets like BF sells with a 3" bubble and 6 case badge style stickers for under 50 cents a sheet iirc 02:32:13 <StabbyMc> Theirs is diecut, which makes it more pricey. I'd want to do a square and if someone wanted just the finity they could cut it themselves. 02:32:18 <Grantbow__> is a url available to see the sticker? 02:32:38 * inode0 would want them pre-cut 02:32:46 <StabbyMc> I haven't done a lot of research on the sticker, so I don't have mockups or pricing and whatnot. 02:33:03 <StabbyMc> I'm just looking at the cling and comparing that with the desires of VileGent and feeling that it falls far short. 02:33:17 <inode0> http://redhat.brandfuelstores.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3&… 02:33:26 <jds2001> inode0: pre-cut as in not a sheet? 02:33:32 <jds2001> on a roll or something? 02:33:36 <inode0> crappy image but those are nice stickers and we can do something similar for a reasonable cost 02:33:56 <inode0> jds2001: no, a sheet but the stickers peel off, you don't need to cut anything 02:34:07 <StabbyMc> jds2001: more that when you peel them off the back, they're a shape, rather than square. 02:34:12 <jds2001> oh, ic 02:34:14 <Grantbow__> damn it - why don't redhat pages load in Chromium? 02:34:26 <jds2001> that's a brandfuel page, not a RHT one :) 02:34:28 <VileGent> http://redhat.brandfuelstores.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=37_52 02:34:41 <StabbyMc> inode0: we can look at the numbers, but I have a feeling that die cut is going to be more expensive. 02:34:49 <VileGent> seems to be the one most people perfer 02:35:13 <inode0> we had a vendor lined up for those at one point 02:35:17 <StabbyMc> VileGent: yes something like that, but not $2 per piece ;-)_ 02:35:53 <inode0> the bottom line is that everyone likes nice stickers 02:36:10 <inode0> so when someone lines them up we'll do everything we can to fund them 02:36:10 <StabbyMc> But my larger question is ditch the clings and start looking at stickers? Keep the clings and not stickers? Or keep clings and also look at stickers? 02:37:01 * inode0 votes for both but would like a smaller amount of clings for less money which he might not get 02:37:14 <nb> is there any of our current supplies that we need to replenish? 02:37:38 <inode0> nb: yes but that is always the case 02:37:39 <StabbyMc> inode0: the pricing looks really good at 2500+, less than 1000 I think it'll be difficult to get a good number vs. what we're paying for them. 02:37:52 <inode0> if you buy 300 shirts they will go right out the door 02:38:06 <nb> yeah 02:38:31 <inode0> we are almost always out of shirts because we can't pace ourselves :) 02:38:58 <jds2001> we should make ppl do something for them 02:39:07 <jds2001> sign up in FAS == shirt 02:39:16 <jds2001> they'd go a lot slower at that rate. 02:39:28 <VileGent> jds2001, that works at cons we have network access 02:39:51 <VileGent> Ohio Linuxfest is not the case as you know 02:39:57 <jds2001> yeah :( 02:40:15 * jds2001 keeps hoping beyond hope that they'll fix that 02:40:31 <StabbyMc> So my other SWAG item is button-ups. I'm waiting on a proof from the vendor. 02:40:35 <jds2001> but internet there is prohibitively expensive aiui 02:40:41 <inode0> I'm always for expanding our inventory of new things 02:40:48 <StabbyMc> They'll be about $30 + shipping. 02:40:54 <inode0> Replacing old things is easier but a bit boring 02:41:04 <jds2001> not all that bad.... 02:41:28 <StabbyMc> Our first run is white shirts I think. That's the demo shirt I've ordered. 02:41:37 <VileGent> inode0, case badges and stickers are always very popular 02:41:43 <StabbyMc> With the virtical logo applied to the left chest. 02:42:31 <StabbyMc> Anyone who wants more details can hit me up in fedora-ambassadors post-meeting. 02:42:43 <inode0> they look nice on the web 02:42:52 <nb> is NA making a polo order any time soon? 02:43:07 <inode0> and they won't be ambassador specific, for anyone in Fedora 02:43:37 <inode0> nb: someone on the list needs to poke pcalarco 02:43:42 <nb> ok 02:44:24 <StabbyMc> So I feel like I butted in on a convo about replenishment orders. 02:44:46 <StabbyMc> Are we spending money on replenishment? 02:44:51 <inode0> someone can suggest a specific thing for swag if they would like to 02:44:59 <StabbyMc> I don't know that I'll have my stuff ready to be paid by end of quarter. 02:45:15 <jds2001> I like my Novell penguin 02:45:21 <jds2001> but they're probably pretty expensive 02:45:36 <inode0> I'm not sure we have any money to spend, will run whatever we want up the flagpole 02:46:17 <inode0> this Q ends in 2 weeks more or less 02:46:22 <lcafiero> ! 02:46:35 <StabbyMc> If I had to vote, I'd say Splatter Tees and case badges. 02:46:44 <inode0> spevack: can you comment? Do we have something that needs acting on before the end of the quarter? 02:46:55 <Grantbow__> F12 at the end of the quarter, nice 02:47:07 <inode0> StabbyMc: you just said $3,000 - I don't see that happening in the short term 02:47:20 <lcafiero> I was going to ask about F12 media -- has that been brought up? 02:47:31 <jds2001> youre a mindreader lcafiero :) 02:47:35 <inode0> we are buying it :) 02:47:39 <jds2001> :) 02:47:44 <inode0> I hope a little less of it 02:47:47 <StabbyMc> It's going to hit Q4's budget though, right? 02:47:47 <lcafiero> but the money has been budgeted and set aside. 02:47:53 <lcafiero> Less would be OK, I think. 02:47:53 <jds2001> from whom, how much does it cost, is it budgeted? 02:48:06 <inode0> yes, it is taken care of 02:48:10 <lcafiero> Whew. 02:48:22 <lcafiero> thanks, inode0 02:48:32 <inode0> I think it costs around $4,000 02:49:05 <Grantbow__> I need to check on the DIY sleeve, not sure how far long that is. 02:49:15 <nb> DIY sleeve? 02:49:18 <inode0> that is a good idea 02:49:36 <Grantbow__> it was a discussion on the artwork mail list - a one pager to fold as a CD sleeve 02:49:50 <Grantbow__> I'll report back next time 02:50:52 <StabbyMc> Ok, if no objections I'll put us to open floor? 02:51:04 * inode0 needs to step aside for 5 minutes, will be back to talk about FreeMedia asap 02:51:24 <StabbyMc> #topic Open Floor 02:51:34 <StabbyMc> Any topics for open floor? 02:51:48 <StabbyMc> (besides inode0 who we're waiting for) 02:54:31 <lcafiero> Yes. 02:54:34 <lcafiero> Wait a minute 02:54:45 <lcafiero> I had something earlier. 02:54:54 <lcafiero> I'll yield until I can think of what it is. 02:55:01 * lcafiero reminds everyone that age is cruel 02:55:28 * inode0 is back 02:56:12 <inode0> shall I go on FreeMedia? 02:56:16 <StabbyMc> yep 02:56:54 <inode0> I'm frustrated as are others with one aspect of the way things are working currently and would like to investigate making a change 02:57:14 <inode0> the problem: the request form is only open for 2 or 3 days a month 02:57:37 <inode0> the reason: that is long enough to overwhelm some regions with so many requests they can't fill them 02:58:01 <inode0> the problem for NA: we only get 20 requests per month this way and we could fill many more 02:58:26 <inode0> my goal: have the NA request form open all the time 02:58:34 <nb> i have some to add when you get done inode0 02:58:41 <jds2001> have you talked to susmit about it? 02:58:48 <jds2001> maybe he could do that. 02:59:15 <inode0> I just opened an infra ticket requesting some solution to this problem today 02:59:20 <nb> jds2001, it is not really possible the way it is currently set up to block some regions and allow others 02:59:28 <nb> my idea is to make fedorahosted.org/freemedia-na 02:59:34 * inode0 yields to nb 02:59:36 <nb> and have fedoraproject.org/freemedia/na-form.html or something 03:00:00 <nb> it would use the same "freemedia" group in FAS 03:00:15 <jds2001> yeah, that was a hack to do 03:00:24 * jds2001 did the web side of that 03:00:30 <jds2001> i'd rather not perpetuate it 03:00:51 <jds2001> and it's not perfect, either 03:00:53 <nb> or link people to new ticket in trac and tell them to make their request tehre? 03:01:13 <jds2001> can a non-authenticated person make a new ticket in trac? 03:01:17 <inode0> mainly I just don't want one region of the world to block the rest of the world in their efforts to spread Fedora through this program 03:01:22 <nb> jds2001, they do now with the freemedia form 03:01:24 <jds2001> if so, that'd be a solution 03:01:28 <nb> it runs as an unauthenticated user 03:01:42 <jds2001> oh, i didnt know if it did or ntop 03:01:49 <nb> so i assume they could use the normal interface (as long as unauthenticated has TICKET_CREATE) 03:01:55 <jds2001> with NA, we dont have to worry so much about the language thing 03:01:57 <nb> i looked at the code a little today 03:03:08 <nb> do we have mexico and canada people that can take those tickets? 03:03:13 <nb> or people from USA that will ship there? 03:03:23 <inode0> canadians handle canada nowq 03:03:25 <lcafiero> Isn't mexico part of latam 03:03:26 * jds2001 just looked and anonymous doesnt have TICKET_CREATE 03:03:59 <inode0> and yes, mexico is not part of NA in this respect 03:04:00 <nb> jds2001, they remove it when the form closes 03:04:09 <jds2001> oh 03:04:59 * lcafiero thinks it should be, geographically speaking, but probably functions better in latam. 03:05:35 <inode0> my argument holds for them too and everyone else who wants to keep their form open 03:06:24 <inode0> for several months I didn't participate because there were no unfilled NA requests 03:07:28 <inode0> probably we should raise the idea on the FreeMedia list for everyone's consideration 03:07:52 <inode0> I just wanted to let FAmNA know I kicked off the disccussion and get feedback from you first 03:09:42 <StabbyMc> Other open floor? 03:09:53 <lcafiero> Yes, the Linux Dairy Council (that was it) 03:10:02 <StabbyMc> lcafiero: you pull that item out of the netheregions of you mind? 03:10:13 <lcafiero> Yeah, I'm lactose intolerant :-) 03:10:25 <StabbyMc> So noted. 03:11:04 <StabbyMc> Ok it's getting to be about that time, any other items? 03:11:08 <lcafiero> But anyway, earlier this year (I think) Paul Frields and Joe Brockmeier and others talked about forming a sort of distro consortium around promoting desktop Linux 03:11:32 <lcafiero> Anyway, herlo and I were at the first irc meeting a few days ago and it looks like it's shaping up to be an interesting group. 03:11:44 <Grantbow__> url? 03:12:01 <lcafiero> So I wanted to mention that it's getting started after being dormant for a better part of the year. 03:12:27 <lcafiero> IRC = #linuxdairy in freenode and url = http://groups.google.com/group/linux-dairy-council 03:12:35 <lcafiero> It's a mailing list at the moment. 03:12:37 <Grantbow__> ty 03:12:50 <lcafiero> Sort of a committee of correspondence. 03:13:04 <lcafiero> That's all -- I'll be posting updates, as warranted, on the mailing list. 03:13:11 <StabbyMc> Cool. 03:13:12 * inode0 cringes at the connection with the dairy council every time he sees it 03:13:39 * StabbyMc gets ready to call the meeting to a close unless someone stops me. 03:14:01 <lcafiero> Yeah, we've had this discussion, inode0 -- it's the idea of a consortium moreso than anything, and the name is not etched in stone 03:14:22 <StabbyMc> 5 03:14:32 <StabbyMc> 4 03:14:38 <StabbyMc> 3 03:14:47 <StabbyMc> 2 03:14:53 <StabbyMc> 1 03:14:58 <StabbyMc> #endmeeting

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REMINDER: EMEA Ambassador Meeting Tomorrow!
by Pierros Papadeas 03 Nov '09

03 Nov '09

Ladies and gentlemen, Don't you remember there is an EMEA Ambassador meeting (Europe, the Middle East, and Africa) on #fedora-meeting tomorrow? Day : Wednesday, November 4th, 2009 Time : 20:00 UTC (check [1] to know your own time depending on your countries) WARNING! Keep in mind that recent DTS changes may have affected you :) Channel : #fedora-meeting Meeting agenda (add your topic before the meeting please) : [2] Update your agendas, and don't forget to join us. Kind regards, ~π [1] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=4&month=11&year=20… [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2009-11-4 -- Pierros Papadeas PGP key: 0x6130DBF8 http://pierros.papadeas.gr pierros(a)papadeas.gr liknus @ GRnet , Freenode

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Release Event Belgium
by Bert Desmet 03 Nov '09

03 Nov '09

Hi, There will be a release event in Belgium too. the event will take place near Antwerp, and I hope to welcome as much Fedora people as possible + newbies you can find all info here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F12_Antwerp :)

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