We have been having weekly meetings on Tuesday nights now for 6 months. A lot has been accomplished and perhaps it is time to reconsider the frequency and timing of our meetings again. Several of us feel that moving to twice a month meetings would be appropriate now to keep our initiatives moving forward without being overly burdensome on ambassadors who want to participate.
Are folks ready to renegotiate this for the new year? Are there ambassadors out there who would like to join us for meetings but for whom Tuesday night just won't work? If so, please make suggestions now and we'll see if we can accommodate everyone's schedules.
Thanks, John
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 10:49:47PM -0600, inode0 wrote:
We have been having weekly meetings on Tuesday nights now for 6 months. A lot has been accomplished and perhaps it is time to reconsider the frequency and timing of our meetings again. Several of us feel that moving to twice a month meetings would be appropriate now to keep our initiatives moving forward without being overly burdensome on ambassadors who want to participate.
Are folks ready to renegotiate this for the new year? Are there ambassadors out there who would like to join us for meetings but for whom Tuesday night just won't work? If so, please make suggestions now and we'll see if we can accommodate everyone's schedules.
Tuesday nights are off and on for me.
--- On Sun, 1/4/09, Ian Weller ianweller@gmail.com wrote:
A lot has been accomplished and perhaps it is
time to
reconsider the frequency and timing of our meetings
again. Several of
us feel that moving to twice a month meetings would be
appropriate now
to keep our initiatives moving forward without being
overly burdensome
on ambassadors who want to participate.
Are folks ready to renegotiate this for the new year?
Are there
ambassadors out there who would like to join us for
meetings but for
whom Tuesday night just won't work? If so, please
make suggestions now
and we'll see if we can accommodate everyone's
schedules.
Tuesday nights are off and on for me.
Me too. And the marketing meetings in the afternoon, I haven't been able to make one yet. I do read the logs though.
-- Douglas Berry -- slasherzee@fedoraproject.org
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Doug Berry slasherzee@yahoo.com wrote:
--- On Sun, 1/4/09, Ian Weller ianweller@gmail.com wrote:
Tuesday nights are off and on for me.
Me too. And the marketing meetings in the afternoon, I haven't been able to make one yet. I do read the logs though.
It would be very helpful, and it is in fact going to be required, if you'd like to attend the meetings but can't at the current time for you to suggest some times when you could for us to consider.
Thanks, John
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 11:49:14PM -0600, inode0 wrote:
It would be very helpful, and it is in fact going to be required, if you'd like to attend the meetings but can't at the current time for you to suggest some times when you could for us to consider.
Perhaps make a large meeting matrix on the wiki -- days on one side, times on another -- and have everyone initial when they can attend.
i.e., https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/ReleaseDay/MeetingMatrix
Dear all:
First, a very groovy new year 2009 to u all. and, sorry I could not attend most meeting since last 2 months. I am in Bangladesh right now for my personal and family problems.
I will keep up-to-date through email, minutes and fedora wiki.
I will be with you all soon .
Regards,
Rashadul Islam Fedora Ambassador Canada/Montreal GPG Key 5557BFAC Finger Print 3869 732D FC43 92B4 2805 85DD C072 0238 4C74 3A69
2009/1/5 Ian Weller ianweller@gmail.com
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 11:49:14PM -0600, inode0 wrote:
It would be very helpful, and it is in fact going to be required, if you'd like to attend the meetings but can't at the current time for you to suggest some times when you could for us to consider.
Perhaps make a large meeting matrix on the wiki -- days on one side, times on another -- and have everyone initial when they can attend.
i.e., https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/ReleaseDay/MeetingMatrix
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On Sun, 4 Jan 2009, inode0 wrote:
We have been having weekly meetings on Tuesday nights now for 6 months. A lot has been accomplished and perhaps it is time to reconsider the frequency and timing of our meetings again. Several of us feel that moving to twice a month meetings would be appropriate now to keep our initiatives moving forward without being overly burdensome on ambassadors who want to participate.
Are folks ready to renegotiate this for the new year? Are there ambassadors out there who would like to join us for meetings but for whom Tuesday night just won't work? If so, please make suggestions now and we'll see if we can accommodate everyone's schedules.
I think you guys have done an incredible job. Even though the meetings are in the middle of the night local time for me, I do follow the minutes, and whenever I am in a time zone that will allow me to attend, I will.
Thank you so much for all your hard work.
--Max
inode0 wrote:
We have been having weekly meetings on Tuesday nights now for 6 months. A lot has been accomplished and perhaps it is time to reconsider the frequency and timing of our meetings again. Several of us feel that moving to twice a month meetings would be appropriate now to keep our initiatives moving forward without being overly burdensome on ambassadors who want to participate.
Are folks ready to renegotiate this for the new year? Are there ambassadors out there who would like to join us for meetings but for whom Tuesday night just won't work? If so, please make suggestions now and we'll see if we can accommodate everyone's schedules.
Thanks, John
Hi John --
I hope to be able to make most of the meetings from here on out. Monday or Thursday nights would be slightly better for me, but I can make most Tuesday nights (but not tomorrow evening). Happy 2009, all!
- pascal
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On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:49 PM, inode0 inode0@gmail.com wrote:
We have been having weekly meetings on Tuesday nights now for 6 months. A lot has been accomplished and perhaps it is time to reconsider the frequency and timing of our meetings again. Several of us feel that moving to twice a month meetings would be appropriate now to keep our initiatives moving forward without being overly burdensome on ambassadors who want to participate.
Are folks ready to renegotiate this for the new year? Are there ambassadors out there who would like to join us for meetings but for whom Tuesday night just won't work? If so, please make suggestions now and we'll see if we can accommodate everyone's schedules.
Thanks, John
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For me personally,
I prefer the current day and time. If we do decide to change it, I am unable to do Wednesday's and anything earlier than the current meeting times (at least during the week) would be rough for me to make due to family. I am not real crazy about weekend meetings.
Regardless, whatever we come up with if I am unable to attend, I will simply read the posted logs from the meeting.
I will add one more request to change it. When this was discussed earlier I started a thread, and a number of people replied they would like a different time, but it basically went no-where.
So for this time, how many people do we need before we change it?
At any rate, I am open to any time except Tuesday nights. Preference: Wednesday or Thursday nights. I am in PDT.
As far as frequency, whatever we need to get things done, I don't mind weekly but perhaps bi-weekly would be better.
---------- Matt M. LinuxKnight
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:49 PM, inode0 inode0@gmail.com wrote:
We have been having weekly meetings on Tuesday nights now for 6 months. A lot has been accomplished and perhaps it is time to reconsider the frequency and timing of our meetings again. Several of us feel that moving to twice a month meetings would be appropriate now to keep our initiatives moving forward without being overly burdensome on ambassadors who want to participate.
Are folks ready to renegotiate this for the new year? Are there ambassadors out there who would like to join us for meetings but for whom Tuesday night just won't work? If so, please make suggestions now and we'll see if we can accommodate everyone's schedules.
Thanks, John
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2009/1/5 Matt McKenzie lnxknight@gmail.com:
I will add one more request to change it. When this was discussed earlier I started a thread, and a number of people replied they would like a different time, but it basically went no-where.
So for this time, how many people do we need before we change it?
At any rate, I am open to any time except Tuesday nights. Preference: Wednesday or Thursday nights. I am in PDT.
As far as frequency, whatever we need to get things done, I don't mind weekly but perhaps bi-weekly would be better.
Matt M. LinuxKnight
So, I've been thinking about this discussion for some time. I'm heavily invested in Tuesday evenings and changing from that time/date would probably cause me to be unable to attend the meetings. As I am seeing, most people seem to be okay with Tuesdays, though I think only having two meetings a month would not be a bad idea. Also, if we had one meeting on Tuesday late and and another one some other day and earler in the day, it might just work. Who knows.
I want to argue one other thing, and it might sound a little snide, but it is not intended that way. My opinion is that while we want more participation in meetings and the like, changing the date isn't necessarily going to make that better. The people who dedicate themselves to attending a meeting, or reschedule their lives around the meeting are the ones we want to attend. They will be ones doing the work and committing themselves to the opportunities. We should at least be willing to recognize that the progress we've made over the last 6 months has been quite incredible. What I like about this accomplishment is that we all committed to doing the work, it didn't matter when or how, it just got done. That's what is important.
Just my $.0233333...
Cheers,
Clint
Clint Savage wrote:
2009/1/5 Matt McKenzie lnxknight@gmail.com:
I will add one more request to change it. When this was discussed earlier I started a thread, and a number of people replied they would like a different time, but it basically went no-where.
So for this time, how many people do we need before we change it?
At any rate, I am open to any time except Tuesday nights. Preference: Wednesday or Thursday nights. I am in PDT.
As far as frequency, whatever we need to get things done, I don't mind weekly but perhaps bi-weekly would be better.
Matt M. LinuxKnight
So, I've been thinking about this discussion for some time. I'm heavily invested in Tuesday evenings and changing from that time/date would probably cause me to be unable to attend the meetings. As I am seeing, most people seem to be okay with Tuesdays, though I think only having two meetings a month would not be a bad idea. Also, if we had one meeting on Tuesday late and and another one some other day and earler in the day, it might just work. Who knows.
I want to argue one other thing, and it might sound a little snide, but it is not intended that way. My opinion is that while we want more participation in meetings and the like, changing the date isn't necessarily going to make that better. The people who dedicate themselves to attending a meeting, or reschedule their lives around the meeting are the ones we want to attend. They will be ones doing the work and committing themselves to the opportunities. We should at least be willing to recognize that the progress we've made over the last 6 months has been quite incredible. What I like about this accomplishment is that we all committed to doing the work, it didn't matter when or how, it just got done. That's what is important.
Just my $.0233333...
Cheers,
Clint
+1
Those who really want to make this a priority and have the time to do so will schedule around this to participate, and Clint has done a fabulous job this past year (with the participation of a core of others), which is a testament to their dedication to Fedora. I think many of us in FAmNA can probably rearrange a Tuesday night now and again to participate as we are able.
Best,
- pascal
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 6:21 AM, Pascal Calarco pcalarco@nd.edu wrote:
Those who really want to make this a priority and have the time to do so will schedule around this to participate, and Clint has done a fabulous job this past year (with the participation of a core of others), which is a testament to their dedication to Fedora. I think many of us in FAmNA can probably rearrange a Tuesday night now and again to participate as we are able.
I agree with this sentiment but there are always people who just can't work around certain times. I would like people to not think of this effort as a "vote" on a new time since I also agree it is critical to not cut off those ambassadors who are consistently making big contributions to our efforts. Periodically I would like us to make an effort to accommodate more ambassadors if we can though. This seemed like a good time to reconsider this since I think there is some sentiment to move now to twice a month.
Let me get the ball rolling by suggesting a few options that perhaps aren't well thought out but might get us started.
Option 1: 1st and 3rd Tuesday at 9pm eastern (whatever that ends in UTC given DST adjustments) - sort of the abbreviated status quo.
Option 2: 1st Tuesday at 9pm eastern and 3rd Thursday at 9pm eastern.
Option 3: 1st Tuesday at 9pm eastern and 3rd Saturday or Sunday at 2pm eastern - effort to allow others who have expressed interest in attending meetings but don't currently reside in NA as well as others who just don't have evenings free for this while avoiding intruding into regular business hours.
Feel free to say which options are impossible for you or which would be extremely unpleasant and offer others you feel would be better.
John
I like the time of the meeting but having it on a Monday or a Wednesday would be better for me.
But I like what Clint said, it might be best to leave it where it is and let people make arrangements to make it to it if they really desire to.
--Jason
2009/1/6 Jason Fenner axelilly@gmail.com:
I like the time of the meeting but having it on a Monday or a Wednesday would be better for me.
But I like what Clint said, it might be best to leave it where it is and let people make arrangements to make it to it if they really desire to.
--Jason
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Option 1 would be my first choice. Option 2 would be my second choice but I may not be able to make Thurs on a frequent basis (depends on schedule intitially, I can probably make it work after about 1 month or 2 of schedule shuffling) Option 3 isn't an option for me as weekends I am normally booked. I would opt for holding "special sessions" on a bi monthly basis on a weekend for inclusion of non-NA Ambassadors, though I may or may not be able to attend these, I would only be missing a meeting every 2 months instead of every month.
Just my opinion though, as mentioned if I can attend I will, if not I will simply read the logs.
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 8:10 AM, inode0 inode0@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 6:21 AM, Pascal Calarco pcalarco@nd.edu wrote:
Those who really want to make this a priority and have the time to do so will schedule around this to participate, and Clint has done a fabulous job this past year (with the participation of a core of others), which is a testament to their dedication to Fedora. I think many of us in FAmNA can probably rearrange a Tuesday night now and again to participate as we are able.
I agree with this sentiment but there are always people who just can't work around certain times. I would like people to not think of this effort as a "vote" on a new time since I also agree it is critical to not cut off those ambassadors who are consistently making big contributions to our efforts. Periodically I would like us to make an effort to accommodate more ambassadors if we can though. This seemed like a good time to reconsider this since I think there is some sentiment to move now to twice a month.
Let me get the ball rolling by suggesting a few options that perhaps aren't well thought out but might get us started.
Option 1: 1st and 3rd Tuesday at 9pm eastern (whatever that ends in UTC given DST adjustments) - sort of the abbreviated status quo.
Option 2: 1st Tuesday at 9pm eastern and 3rd Thursday at 9pm eastern.
I concur with the above statement regarding the changes, and why I suggested previously in my email that we do have meetings on one other day. Thursdays would be the least problematic for me, but I would suggest one change. We meet on the 2nd Tuesday and 4th Thursday (for option 2). I'm only being selfish on that request because it makes it so I can attend *almost* every Thursday.
Cheers,
Clint
We should set the meeting on TUESDAY (1st and 3rd week, or 2nd and 4th week) as inode mentioned. BUT it should be either after lunch or after dinner. Its easy to say while we do meet and invite new contributor. -Regards Rashadul
On 1/6/09, Clint Savage herlo1@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 8:10 AM, inode0 inode0@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 6:21 AM, Pascal Calarco pcalarco@nd.edu wrote:
Those who really want to make this a priority and have the time to do so will schedule around this to participate, and Clint has done a fabulous job this past year (with the participation of a core of others), which is a testament to their dedication to Fedora. I think many of us in FAmNA can probably rearrange a Tuesday night now and again to participate as we are able.
I agree with this sentiment but there are always people who just can't work around certain times. I would like people to not think of this effort as a "vote" on a new time since I also agree it is critical to not cut off those ambassadors who are consistently making big contributions to our efforts. Periodically I would like us to make an effort to accommodate more ambassadors if we can though. This seemed like a good time to reconsider this since I think there is some sentiment to move now to twice a month.
Let me get the ball rolling by suggesting a few options that perhaps aren't well thought out but might get us started.
Option 1: 1st and 3rd Tuesday at 9pm eastern (whatever that ends in UTC given DST adjustments) - sort of the abbreviated status quo.
Option 2: 1st Tuesday at 9pm eastern and 3rd Thursday at 9pm eastern.
I concur with the above statement regarding the changes, and why I suggested previously in my email that we do have meetings on one other day. Thursdays would be the least problematic for me, but I would suggest one change. We meet on the 2nd Tuesday and 4th Thursday (for option 2). I'm only being selfish on that request because it makes it so I can attend *almost* every Thursday.
Cheers,
Clint
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2009, Rashadul Islam wrote:
We should set the meeting on TUESDAY (1st and 3rd week, or 2nd and 4th week) as inode mentioned. BUT it should be either after lunch or after dinner. Its easy to say while we do meet and invite new contributor.
At some point in my life, I'll be in North America again permanently, and it will be trivial for me to attend these meetings.
But until that day comes, the earlier that this meeting can be while not interfering with the lives of all of the Ambassadors who are actually in North America, the better.
In other words, I'd love to be able to attend (and for now I'm 6 hours ahead of the east coast), but don't let me alter a wider consensus on the meeting time. If it needs to be after dinner eastern time, so be it. I can read logs, and folks have been really good about pinging me and emailing me with stuff that I need to see.
--Max
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Max Spevack mspevack@redhat.com wrote:
In other words, I'd love to be able to attend (and for now I'm 6 hours ahead of the east coast), but don't let me alter a wider consensus on the meeting time. If it needs to be after dinner eastern time, so be it. I can read logs, and folks have been really good about pinging me and emailing me with stuff that I need to see.
After discussing this during the meeting this evening here is our current thinking.
For the remainder of Q4 (through February) we are going to meet on the 1st and 3rd Tuesday at the same time we have been meeting. This time works well for all of us and we have one guest scheduled in February for the 1st Tuesday (Mike McGrath will talk with us about the infrastructure group).
In Q1 we are willing to try meeting at least once a month at a different time and/or day. As best as I can tell there have been two people in this thread who can't come to our meetings now and who have expressed an interest in doing so. We ask them to propose a specific time/day they would like the meeting at and if most of the regular group can make that work we'll try it during Q1 and see how it goes. We would ask this to be done reasonably soon as we are trying to schedule additional guests to speak with us during meetings from various groups within the project in the future.
Thanks, John
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 1:00 AM, inode0 inode0@gmail.com wrote:
In Q1 we are willing to try meeting at least once a month at a different time and/or day. As best as I can tell there have been two people in this thread who can't come to our meetings now and who have expressed an interest in doing so. We ask them to propose a specific time/day they would like the meeting at and if most of the regular group can make that work we'll try it during Q1 and see how it goes. We would ask this to be done reasonably soon as we are trying to schedule additional guests to speak with us during meetings from various groups within the project in the future.
The group is planning to make a decision on when to meet in Q1 at the February 17th meeting. If you are interested in seeing it at a different time please suggest a time before that meeting to have it considered. In the absence of specific suggestions at that point the sentiment seems to be to leave well enough alone but we are open to making a move beginning in March. So please touch base with us if you would like us to meet at a new time.
John
Tuesdays are ok for me as I dont either work or go to school on wednesdays, tough thursdays also seem like a good idea.
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:35 PM, inode0 inode0@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 1:00 AM, inode0 inode0@gmail.com wrote:
In Q1 we are willing to try meeting at least once a month at a different time and/or day. As best as I can tell there have been two people in this thread who can't come to our meetings now and who have expressed an interest in doing so. We ask them to propose a specific time/day they would like the meeting at and if most of the regular group can make that work we'll try it during Q1 and see how it goes. We would ask this to be done reasonably soon as we are trying to schedule additional guests to speak with us during meetings from various groups within the project in the future.
The group is planning to make a decision on when to meet in Q1 at the February 17th meeting. If you are interested in seeing it at a different time please suggest a time before that meeting to have it considered. In the absence of specific suggestions at that point the sentiment seems to be to leave well enough alone but we are open to making a move beginning in March. So please touch base with us if you would like us to meet at a new time.
John
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2009/2/4 Hector Alfonso Gonzalez Ramirez hagr182@gmail.com:
Tuesdays are ok for me as I dont either work or go to school on wednesdays, tough thursdays also seem like a good idea.
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:35 PM, inode0 inode0@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 1:00 AM, inode0 inode0@gmail.com wrote:
In Q1 we are willing to try meeting at least once a month at a different time and/or day. As best as I can tell there have been two people in this thread who can't come to our meetings now and who have expressed an interest in doing so. We ask them to propose a specific time/day they would like the meeting at and if most of the regular group can make that work we'll try it during Q1 and see how it goes. We would ask this to be done reasonably soon as we are trying to schedule additional guests to speak with us during meetings from various groups within the project in the future.
The group is planning to make a decision on when to meet in Q1 at the February 17th meeting. If you are interested in seeing it at a different time please suggest a time before that meeting to have it considered. In the absence of specific suggestions at that point the sentiment seems to be to leave well enough alone but we are open to making a move beginning in March. So please touch base with us if you would like us to meet at a new time.
My preference is that we do it Thursdays at the same time. I'm going to be unable to attend meetings (but a few minutes) on Tuesdays for the foreseeable future.
Cheers,
Clint
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Clint Savage herlo1@gmail.com wrote:
2009/2/4 Hector Alfonso Gonzalez Ramirez hagr182@gmail.com:
Tuesdays are ok for me as I dont either work or go to school on wednesdays, tough thursdays also seem like a good idea.
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:35 PM, inode0 inode0@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 1:00 AM, inode0 inode0@gmail.com wrote:
In Q1 we are willing to try meeting at least once a month at a different time and/or day. As best as I can tell there have been two people in this thread who can't come to our meetings now and who have expressed an interest in doing so. We ask them to propose a specific time/day they would like the meeting at and if most of the regular group can make that work we'll try it during Q1 and see how it goes. We would ask this to be done reasonably soon as we are trying to schedule additional guests to speak with us during meetings from various groups within the project in the future.
The group is planning to make a decision on when to meet in Q1 at the February 17th meeting. If you are interested in seeing it at a different time please suggest a time before that meeting to have it considered. In the absence of specific suggestions at that point the sentiment seems to be to leave well enough alone but we are open to making a move beginning in March. So please touch base with us if you would like us to meet at a new time.
My preference is that we do it Thursdays at the same time. I'm going to be unable to attend meetings (but a few minutes) on Tuesdays for the foreseeable future.
Cheers,
Clint
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My preference is any day except Tuesday, if the prevailing opinion is Thursdays then I agree with that.
Thanks.
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Clint Savage herlo1@gmail.com wrote:
My preference is that we do it Thursdays at the same time. I'm going to be unable to attend meetings (but a few minutes) on Tuesdays for the foreseeable future.
I'm good with Thursdays as well, but then I'm pretty flexible, time-wise.
Larry Cafiero
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