After collecting the results of our poll on the Ambassadors and Marketing lists, FAmSCo met today and discussed the issue of whether or not to merge the two mailing lists into one.
We reviewed the results of the poll and carefully considered the arguments we heard on each side. While the poll showed that a slight majority were in favor of the merger, we covered several points that made us feel that the merger is not the right thing to do at this time. We agreed unanimously that the lists should remain separate. We hope that this decision is understood by all of you and will be happy to answer any remaining questions on the matter.
Since we will not be merging the two lists, we will be taking other measures to make the purposes of each list perfectly clear. The Marketing list will continue as a forum for strategic discussion. It will host discussions over our global marketing strategy and marketing content. The Ambassadors list will continue to host discussions of events and grass-roots efforts to spread Fedora on the ground worldwide. The differences will be documented on our websites, and we will guide members of each list in deciding how their messages should be directed.
We hope that you will all work with us as we try to guide the usage of each list to make the best possible use of these resources. Thank you all for your input.
TWO congratulation from my (personal) side ...
first for your vote as Vice Chair ... and second (with more consequences) for the outstanding work of the FAMSCO to decide after a voting and mail discussion.
Thank you
Gerold
Am Montag, den 19.02.2007, 22:12 -0600 schrieb Patrick W. Barnes:
After collecting the results of our poll on the Ambassadors and Marketing lists, FAmSCo met today and discussed the issue of whether or not to merge the two mailing lists into one.
We reviewed the results of the poll and carefully considered the arguments we heard on each side. While the poll showed that a slight majority were in favor of the merger, we covered several points that made us feel that the merger is not the right thing to do at this time. We agreed unanimously that the lists should remain separate. We hope that this decision is understood by all of you and will be happy to answer any remaining questions on the matter.
Since we will not be merging the two lists, we will be taking other measures to make the purposes of each list perfectly clear. The Marketing list will continue as a forum for strategic discussion. It will host discussions over our global marketing strategy and marketing content. The Ambassadors list will continue to host discussions of events and grass-roots efforts to spread Fedora on the ground worldwide. The differences will be documented on our websites, and we will guide members of each list in deciding how their messages should be directed.
We hope that you will all work with us as we try to guide the usage of each list to make the best possible use of these resources. Thank you all for your input.
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On 2/18/07, Francesco Ugolini wrote:
I hope all ambassador agree with me in this little analysis .
Thanks to all people who in the last month said their opinion, and thanks to the "Project Geek" who said their opinion, to enlight me over the pros and cons of this merge.
Hello
Actually, this poll showed us 2 important things : 1) 34 ambassadors voted out of more than 160 registered fedora ambassadors. This means less than 25% of the fedora ambassador project has voted. 2) Roughly the results are 50/50. To be honest, we can see 2 distinct groups. Most (>90%) of our newly recruited ambassadors have voted for the same "item".
GeroldKassude, FrancescoUgolini and JörgSimon have shared some ideas with me to bring up some life in here. And they are brilliant. This weekend, we will be talking again. If we agreed to some point (of course with other ambassadors present this weekend), we will be revealing our progress here.
Meanwhile FrancescoUgolini is writing the "choice" we've taken for the merge on the wiki page, which will be used in the future if this subject is brought again.
regards, Chitlesh
Patrick W. Barnes wrote:
After collecting the results of our poll on the Ambassadors and Marketing lists, FAmSCo met today and discussed the issue of whether or not to merge the two mailing lists into one.
We reviewed the results of the poll and carefully considered the arguments we heard on each side. While the poll showed that a slight majority were in favor of the merger, we covered several points that made us feel that the merger is not the right thing to do at this time. We agreed unanimously that the lists should remain separate. We hope that this decision is understood by all of you and will be happy to answer any remaining questions on the matter.
Since we will not be merging the two lists, we will be taking other measures to make the purposes of each list perfectly clear. The Marketing list will continue as a forum for strategic discussion. It will host discussions over our global marketing strategy and marketing content. The Ambassadors list will continue to host discussions of events and grass-roots efforts to spread Fedora on the ground worldwide. The differences will be documented on our websites, and we will guide members of each list in deciding how their messages should be directed.
We hope that you will all work with us as we try to guide the usage of each list to make the best possible use of these resources. Thank you all for your input.
Little late here. I would respect the committee's decision in this particular instance but if you are going to take a vote in the future, dont override the majority vote or atleast set the expectations right. It makes the whole exercise pointless otherwise. If a committee was capable of taking the decision on its own, it doesnt require any sort of voting which is what I would have preferred as a matter of policy regardless of the outcome.
Besides nobody seems to be interested in having any sort of "global marketing strategy" in the marketing list. End result is that marketing list would generally be inactive and folks here continue cross posting on various occasions splitting up the conversations across multiple mailing lists.
Rahul
On Sat, 2007-02-24 at 08:31 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Little late here. I would respect the committee's decision in this particular instance but if you are going to take a vote in the future, dont override the majority vote or atleast set the expectations right.
I wasn't involved in the pre-poll situation, but there does sound like some confusion and dual-usage of the term "poll". A place you vote for an election is called a "poll", as in, "The polls are closed." However, an opinion poll is a different event. It is not a direct vote on matters but a guidance vote, showing the current opinion of a voting populace. As such, it informs and guides the leadership.
So, it sounds as if what we had here was an opinion poll. Personally, I don't mind seeing opinion polls in strongly divided issues; it helps people to see clearly who thinks what and why. And unlike typical opinion polls, this process allows each person to express a full opinion. It is when things get to a hard vote that I think we are in dire water.
Besides nobody seems to be interested in having any sort of "global marketing strategy" in the marketing list. End result is that marketing list would generally be inactive and folks here continue cross posting on various occasions splitting up the conversations across multiple mailing lists.
IMO, it is worth the effort to clean up our topic split and be ruthless about cross-posting. I personally enjoy global marketing strategy discussions, and will become involved in that again as i) the topic rules are cleaned up, ii) the list is easier to read, and iii) FDSCo has now grown in size so I can free up more time for other stuff.
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