Hi All,
Based on my discussion with Estu that attend FUDCon APAC 2016, we would like to announce our FUDCon Depok, Indonesia 2017 for bidding process and our wiki page is here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Depok_2017. We planned to organize it in November 2017, so we have a lot of time to prepare and especially to let our Fedora Ambassadors and Contributors in APAC book their schedule to Jakarta/Indonesia.
I am looking forward to receiving supports.
Thank You
Hi,
I am glad to see you're already working on ideas for FUDCon APAC 2017.
Can you add two things to the wiki?
1. What are your specific goals with this FUDCon? Why is this the location best suited to accomplish these goals? What do you think the impact will be? What kind of follow up activity is needed to ensure your goals are met and the impact is sustained?
2. How do you plan to manage the ticket money?
Thank you.
regards,
bex
On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, at 10:17 AM, Prima Yogi Loviniltra wrote:
Hi All,
Based on my discussion with Estu that attend FUDCon APAC 2016, we would like to announce our FUDCon Depok, Indonesia 2017 for bidding process and our wiki page is here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Depok_2017. We planned to organize it in November 2017, so we have a lot of time to prepare and especially to let our Fedora Ambassadors and Contributors in APAC book their schedule to Jakarta/Indonesia.
I am looking forward to receiving supports.
Thank You
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Hi,
Thanks for your bidding for the next FUDCon in APAC. Your wiki page has quite a lot of useful information! Please continue to improve it. Meanwhile, I have two concerns:
1. Organization team. There are about 350 participants expected. But only two are listed in the team. I'd say you need spend time building a bigger team to serve the crowd.
2. Ticket sale. AFAIK FUDCon is always free for everyone to attend, both as in "freedom" and "free beer". So "selling" a ticket does not sound quite right to me. I suggest free entrance while accepting donation instead. Besides, you need to ensure the income is fully used to cover logistics, travel expense of FUDCon.
Regards, Alick
On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 3:17 AM, Prima Yogi Loviniltra < jurankdankkal@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
Hi All,
Based on my discussion with Estu that attend FUDCon APAC 2016, we would like to announce our FUDCon Depok, Indonesia 2017 for bidding process and our wiki page is here: https://fedoraproject.org/ wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Depok_2017. We planned to organize it in November 2017, so we have a lot of time to prepare and especially to let our Fedora Ambassadors and Contributors in APAC book their schedule to Jakarta/Indonesia.
I am looking forward to receiving supports.
Thank You
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On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, at 07:48 PM, Alick Zhao wrote:
- Ticket sale. AFAIK FUDCon is always free for everyone to attend, both as in "freedom" and "free beer". So "selling" a ticket does not sound quite right to me. I suggest free entrance while accepting donation instead. Besides, you need to ensure the income is fully used to cover logistics, travel expense of FUDCon.
Leaving aside the how do we collect the money and ensure it is used properly question, I think your second question merits further discussion.
I recognize that we have traditionally said both forms of free. However, I also recognize that in some cultures if an event is free it is considered to have no value by the community and therefore will receive poor attendance, attendance from individuals who are not in the target audience and/or lots of no-shows.
I think we should explore whether breaking "free as in beer" while preserving "free as in speech" is appropriate for some events.
Ultimately, I think this may need to go to the council, but a healthy debate here is critical as Ambassadors are the people most directly knowledgeable about their regions and cultures.
regards,
bex
Hi Bex and Alick,
We already add the goal of this FUDCon APAC 2017 and why we held in Depok City in the wiki.
Fo the concern about team : We only two for now just for prepare bid proposal. After we get green light about it. We plan ask student council in University to join as Local Committee. And we plan open registration for volunteer. We need about 10% from total participants, around 30-35 people.
For Ticket sale like bex already mention before : Ticket sale is commonly in Indonesia. Why not set as free? Because when we set free, people just register but not come for event. It is make difficult for local committee. This decision (Ticket Sale) base on our experience from GNOME.Asia Summit 2015 at Depok, and openSUSE.Asia Summit 2016 last October in Yogyakarta.
Travel expense just for speaker and some people who make contribution for Fedora (Amba, etc). For ordinary people, they just come with their budget. We will spend budget from ticket sale to t-shirt and meal. Why we cover meal for each attendee? Because it will save time for people search food court and keep attendee in conference venue.
Thank You.
On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 1:57 AM, Brian Exelbierd bex@pobox.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, at 07:48 PM, Alick Zhao wrote:
- Ticket sale. AFAIK FUDCon is always free for everyone to attend, both
as in "freedom" and "free beer". So "selling" a ticket does not sound quite right to me. I suggest free entrance while accepting donation instead. Besides, you need to ensure the income is fully used to cover logistics, travel expense of FUDCon.
Leaving aside the how do we collect the money and ensure it is used properly question, I think your second question merits further discussion.
I recognize that we have traditionally said both forms of free. However, I also recognize that in some cultures if an event is free it is considered to have no value by the community and therefore will receive poor attendance, attendance from individuals who are not in the target audience and/or lots of no-shows.
I think we should explore whether breaking "free as in beer" while preserving "free as in speech" is appropriate for some events.
Ultimately, I think this may need to go to the council, but a healthy debate here is critical as Ambassadors are the people most directly knowledgeable about their regions and cultures.
regards,
bex
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On Thu, Dec 8, 2016, at 06:54 AM, Prima Yogi Loviniltra wrote:
Hi Bex and Alick,
We already add the goal of this FUDCon APAC 2017 and why we held in Depok City in the wiki.
I am going to push a bit on this as I want to help you plan for the widest possible success and impact.
You list the following two goals: * To attract more users and contributors. * Aware about freedom of software.
These are both broad objectives. Can you help narrow that down into something we can directly work towards? For example, based on your regional knowledge:
* What kind of users can we reasonably target and expect to actually convert? Do we need activities before our after FUDCon to make this more effective? If so, what? * What kind of an audience will you be able to attract that will become aware of FOSS. How will this awareness translate into action on the audience's part? * What areas of contribution are you targeting for growth?
These kinds of questions help us make sure we bring the right Fedora people together. For example, if you tell me the local market is firmly about virtualization and not containers, we should get speakers who talk about virtualization and not offer many container talks.
regards,
bex
Fo the concern about team :
We only two for now just for prepare bid proposal. After we get green light about it. We plan ask student council in University to join as Local Committee. And we plan open registration for volunteer. We need about 10% from total participants, around 30-35 people.
For Ticket sale like bex already mention before :
Ticket sale is commonly in Indonesia. Why not set as free? Because when we set free, people just register but not come for event. It is make difficult for local committee. This decision (Ticket Sale) base on our experience from GNOME.Asia Summit 2015 at Depok, and openSUSE.Asia Summit 2016 last October in Yogyakarta.
Travel expense just for speaker and some people who make contribution for Fedora (Amba, etc). For ordinary people, they just come with their budget. We will spend budget from ticket sale to t-shirt and meal. Why we cover meal for each attendee? Because it will save time for people search food court and keep attendee in conference venue.
Thank You.
On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 1:57 AM, Brian Exelbierd bex@pobox.com wrote:
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On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, at 07:48 PM, Alick Zhao wrote:
- Ticket sale. AFAIK FUDCon is always free for everyone to attend, both as in "freedom" and "free beer". So "selling" a ticket does not sound quite right to me. I suggest free entrance while accepting donation instead. Besides, you need to ensure the income is fully used to cover logistics, travel expense of FUDCon.
Leaving aside the how do we collect the money and ensure it is used properly question, I think your second question merits further discussion.
I recognize that we have traditionally said both forms of free. However, I also recognize that in some cultures if an event is free it is considered to have no value by the community and therefore will receive poor attendance, attendance from individuals who are not in the target audience and/or lots of no-shows.
I think we should explore whether breaking "free as in beer" while preserving "free as in speech" is appropriate for some events.
Ultimately, I think this may need to go to the council, but a healthy debate here is critical as Ambassadors are the people most directly knowledgeable about their regions and cultures.
regards,
bex
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On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Brian Exelbierd bex@pobox.com wrote:
You list the following two goals:
To attract more users and contributors. Aware about freedom of software.
These are both broad objectives. Can you help narrow that down into something we can directly work towards? For example, based on your regional knowledge:
- What kind of users can we reasonably target and expect to actually
convert? Do we need activities before our after FUDCon to make this more effective? If so, what?
- What kind of an audience will you be able to attract that will become
aware of FOSS. How will this awareness translate into action on the audience's part?
- What areas of contribution are you targeting for growth?
These kinds of questions help us make sure we bring the right Fedora people together. For example, if you tell me the local market is firmly about virtualization and not containers, we should get speakers who talk about virtualization and not offer many container talks.
[I hadn't seen this note earlier; it hit a different mail filter. duh!]
I'd like to state that distilling the broad objectives into tangible outcomes specific to local communities is deeply required and relevant. Often the event planning notes (on the wiki pages) adopt an one-size-fits-all approach which builds on a template-form of FUDCon. These sets of questions are equally applicable to events of small(er) sizes and should probably be put up on the wiki somewhere to refer to.
Hi,
Bringing that up again. First to the statement of Brian, that there would be changes in the budget.planning process. As you can see in the log of famsco meeting from 25. January
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2017-01-25/famsco.2017-01...
Its not the case the submission date is still September and therefore the FAD should be held before. So I wait for an answer, why the change was made and at least going behind Rammadan to early August to meet that date.
br gnokii
2016-12-22 16:08 GMT+07:00 sankarshan sankarshan@fedoraproject.org:
On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Brian Exelbierd bex@pobox.com wrote:
You list the following two goals:
To attract more users and contributors. Aware about freedom of software.
These are both broad objectives. Can you help narrow that down into something we can directly work towards? For example, based on your
regional
knowledge:
- What kind of users can we reasonably target and expect to actually
convert? Do we need activities before our after FUDCon to make this more effective? If so, what?
- What kind of an audience will you be able to attract that will become
aware of FOSS. How will this awareness translate into action on the audience's part?
- What areas of contribution are you targeting for growth?
These kinds of questions help us make sure we bring the right Fedora
people
together. For example, if you tell me the local market is firmly about virtualization and not containers, we should get speakers who talk about virtualization and not offer many container talks.
[I hadn't seen this note earlier; it hit a different mail filter. duh!]
I'd like to state that distilling the broad objectives into tangible outcomes specific to local communities is deeply required and relevant. Often the event planning notes (on the wiki pages) adopt an one-size-fits-all approach which builds on a template-form of FUDCon. These sets of questions are equally applicable to events of small(er) sizes and should probably be put up on the wiki somewhere to refer to.
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