Hello all,

We would like to organize this year FAD in Tirana, Albania. You can find our proposal here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Tirana_2016_bid

Kind regards, ​Jona​

2016-09-19 19:36 GMT+02:00 Zacharias Mitzelos mitzie@mitzelos.com:

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Hello everyone,

It's time to start planning for our annual EMEA FAD!

The EMEA FAD is an annual planning event for the EMEA community. Active ambassadors from various countries get together to discuss what activities we should do in the next year, what events to attend, and what swag to produce. The main outcome of this event is the EMEA budget proposal for the next fiscal year which includes a list of events we will spend money on, Fedora media production, and swag production.

This 2-day event is usually hosted in early December, and we don't have a location yet, so I'd like to ask you all to consider submitting a bid for a potential location to host the EMEA FAD this year.

Hi Zacharias,

I'm sorry for chiming in so late, but I feel I have to clarify something.

We did not have a FAD last year and to my understanding, this was due to the changes in Red Hat's schedule and Budget.Next. This being said I am not sure how much sense it makes to have a FAD this December.

Let me give you some background: Traditionally, regions needed to submit their budgets by end of January and that's why we had a FAD in December. Due to organizational changes within Red Hat, this deadline has been moved to October. At this point, the Council needs to submit the budget to Red Hat. Before that, it needs to gather the different budgets, check and approve them and add their own share on top. All of this takes some time, that's why the budget proposal deadline has been moved to July, means half a year earlier than in the past. We are not happy about it, but we cannot change it.

For more details about the process and the schedule, please refer to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Budget.next#The_Fedora_Budget_Process

Due to the switch to Budget.Next and the changes on Red Hat's side, the council was facing some problems. We had to submit a budget before we had any requests. decause, who had designed and coordinated the Budget.Next process, had just given up his job as Fedora Outreach and Impact lead. Last but not least our reporting and controlling are really bad, we are having a hard time to catch up with what we actually spend. Without proper reporting, it's hard to justify an increase of the budget, so we ended up doing some scenarios (regional spending vs. premiere events vs. outreach etc.) and just requesting the same amount of money we had the year before.

This means:

• The Council already submitted the budget for FY18 to Red Hat.
• Once we know how much we actually get, we need to share it among the

regions. See https://fedorahosted.org/council/ticket/58 for the FY17 shares.

• Whatever we decide at the FAD will not impact the budget. Only good

reporting will get us more money.

• We not only need to show how we spent our money in the past but also

need a vision of what we want to achieve with it in FY18.

• Budget.Next was a big change. It goes into the right direction, but

has some flaws. We will probably see more changes in the process, which will make planning for us even more complicated.

• With bexelbie's help, we should be able to to iron out the kinks,

but it's probably going to cost some time.

This being said, I'm not not sure if it makes sense to have a FAD in December as we used to. Unless there is urgent business (event planning, swag production) we cannot do virtually, we should target something in March next year.

Please don't get me wrong: I'm not against holding a FAD, I'm sure we can get a lot of things done. But I'm unsure about the timing because we already missed the deadline for this year.

Best regards, Christoph

unfortunately all are correct and some other circumstances causes the issue, that the legacy FAD in Rheinfelden was not hols last year and also not this year (in december). The legacy Rheinfelden FAD (if I'm allowed to call it so) has just one big topic: Define the dates, where EMEA Ambassador want to join an event in the next Red Hat fiscal year and fix the money we (in EMEA) need from Red Hat to sponsor that events/attendance/accomodations. Beside that we mostly also talked about swag and what we want to have and what we want to getdone but moste, nothing happened in that area; unfortunately ... So I'd like to come up with an other idea: Most of the responsible and involved Ambassadors are at FOSDEM (anyway). Why don't we spend the friday in front of FOSDEM for our annual Budget FAD (for EMEA Ambassadors) having a social event (called beer event from FOSDEM) and have one strong day to discuss, argue and point out what to do, who and when. If that is fixed, we can create tasks for fixing everything and can have a second (virtual meeting) aroung eastern to get it "write in stone" and give it to Red Hat for approval.

Other topic in that idea is also to maybe get the FPO (just one day earlier than FOSDEM) to our EMEA event and have a "responsible Red Hat person" on the table where we get better in touch than in IRC and maybe we get the chance to have him exclusively (because during the year he is not that often in our community present in person).

If you all agree, I'll be happy to check if I can organize everything for such a FAD (location and budget [*g*] etc.).

So let me know your opinion

C u soon Gerold

On Oct 20, 2016, at 2:51 AM, Gerold gerold@lugd.org wrote:

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2016-09-19 19:36 GMT+02:00 Zacharias Mitzelos mitzie@mitzelos.com:

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Hello everyone,

It's time to start planning for our annual EMEA FAD!

The EMEA FAD is an annual planning event for the EMEA community. Active ambassadors from various countries get together to discuss what activities we should do in the next year, what events to attend, and what swag to produce. The main outcome of this event is the EMEA budget proposal for the next fiscal year which includes a list of events we will spend money on, Fedora media production, and swag production.

This 2-day event is usually hosted in early December, and we don't have a location yet, so I'd like to ask you all to consider submitting a bid for a potential location to host the EMEA FAD this year.

Hi Zacharias,

I'm sorry for chiming in so late, but I feel I have to clarify something.

We did not have a FAD last year and to my understanding, this was due to the changes in Red Hat's schedule and Budget.Next. This being said I am not sure how much sense it makes to have a FAD this December.

Let me give you some background: Traditionally, regions needed to submit their budgets by end of January and that's why we had a FAD in December. Due to organizational changes within Red Hat, this deadline has been moved to October. At this point, the Council needs to submit the budget to Red Hat. Before that, it needs to gather the different budgets, check and approve them and add their own share on top. All of this takes some time, that's why the budget proposal deadline has been moved to July, means half a year earlier than in the past. We are not happy about it, but we cannot change it.

For more details about the process and the schedule, please refer to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Budget.next#The_Fedora_Budget_Process

Due to the switch to Budget.Next and the changes on Red Hat's side, the council was facing some problems. We had to submit a budget before we had any requests. decause, who had designed and coordinated the Budget.Next process, had just given up his job as Fedora Outreach and Impact lead. Last but not least our reporting and controlling are really bad, we are having a hard time to catch up with what we actually spend. Without proper reporting, it's hard to justify an increase of the budget, so we ended up doing some scenarios (regional spending vs. premiere events vs. outreach etc.) and just requesting the same amount of money we had the year before.

This means:

• The Council already submitted the budget for FY18 to Red Hat.
• Once we know how much we actually get, we need to share it among the

regions. See https://fedorahosted.org/council/ticket/58 for the FY17 shares.

• Whatever we decide at the FAD will not impact the budget. Only good

reporting will get us more money.

• We not only need to show how we spent our money in the past but also

need a vision of what we want to achieve with it in FY18.

• Budget.Next was a big change. It goes into the right direction, but

has some flaws. We will probably see more changes in the process, which will make planning for us even more complicated.

• With bexelbie's help, we should be able to to iron out the kinks,

but it's probably going to cost some time.

This being said, I'm not not sure if it makes sense to have a FAD in December as we used to. Unless there is urgent business (event planning, swag production) we cannot do virtually, we should target something in March next year.

Please don't get me wrong: I'm not against holding a FAD, I'm sure we can get a lot of things done. But I'm unsure about the timing because we already missed the deadline for this year.

Best regards, Christoph

unfortunately all are correct and some other circumstances causes the issue, that the legacy FAD in Rheinfelden was not hols last year and also not this year (in december). The legacy Rheinfelden FAD (if I'm allowed to call it so) has just one big topic: Define the dates, where EMEA Ambassador want to join an event in the next Red Hat fiscal year and fix the money we (in EMEA) need from Red Hat to sponsor that events/attendance/accomodations. Beside that we mostly also talked about swag and what we want to have and what we want to getdone but moste, nothing happened in that area; unfortunately ... So I'd like to come up with an other idea: Most of the responsible and involved Ambassadors are at FOSDEM (anyway). Why don't we spend the friday in front of FOSDEM for our annual Budget FAD (for EMEA Ambassadors) having a social event (called beer event from FOSDEM) and have one strong day to discuss, argue and point out what to do, who and when. If that is fixed, we can create tasks for fixing everything and can have a second (virtual meeting) aroung eastern to get it "write in stone" and give it to Red Hat for approval.

Other topic in that idea is also to maybe get the FPO (just one day earlier than FOSDEM) to our EMEA event and have a "responsible Red Hat person" on the table where we get better in touch than in IRC and maybe we get the chance to have him exclusively (because during the year he is not that often in our community present in person).

I like the idea of holding this with FOSDEM to reduce costs. I will be at the meeting if at all possible and I live in Brno. I'm not the FPL, but hopefully the FCAIC is enough :)

Have you considered the Monday after FOSDEM?

As prep for this FAD, perhaps people could think about how their proposed activities align with the Fedora Objectives, not just general user attraction and promotion.

Regards,

bex

If you all agree, I'll be happy to check if I can organize everything for such a FAD (location and budget [*g*] etc.).

So let me know your opinion

C u soon Gerold

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On Thu, Oct 20, 2016, at 10:50 PM, Justin W. Flory wrote:

On 10/20/2016 04:45 PM, Brian (bex) Exelbierd wrote:

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On Oct 20, 2016, at 2:51 AM, Gerold gerold@lugd.org wrote:

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2016-09-19 19:36 GMT+02:00 Zacharias Mitzelos mitzie@mitzelos.com:

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Hello everyone,

It's time to start planning for our annual EMEA FAD!

The EMEA FAD is an annual planning event for the EMEA community. Active ambassadors from various countries get together to discuss what activities we should do in the next year, what events to attend, and what swag to produce. The main outcome of this event is the EMEA budget proposal for the next fiscal year which includes a list of events we will spend money on, Fedora media production, and swag production.

This 2-day event is usually hosted in early December, and we don't have a location yet, so I'd like to ask you all to consider submitting a bid for a potential location to host the EMEA FAD this year.

Hi Zacharias,

I'm sorry for chiming in so late, but I feel I have to clarify something.

We did not have a FAD last year and to my understanding, this was due to the changes in Red Hat's schedule and Budget.Next. This being said I am not sure how much sense it makes to have a FAD this December.

Let me give you some background: Traditionally, regions needed to submit their budgets by end of January and that's why we had a FAD in December. Due to organizational changes within Red Hat, this deadline has been moved to October. At this point, the Council needs to submit the budget to Red Hat. Before that, it needs to gather the different budgets, check and approve them and add their own share on top. All of this takes some time, that's why the budget proposal deadline has been moved to July, means half a year earlier than in the past. We are not happy about it, but we cannot change it.

For more details about the process and the schedule, please refer to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Budget.next#The_Fedora_Budget_Process

Due to the switch to Budget.Next and the changes on Red Hat's side, the council was facing some problems. We had to submit a budget before we had any requests. decause, who had designed and coordinated the Budget.Next process, had just given up his job as Fedora Outreach and Impact lead. Last but not least our reporting and controlling are really bad, we are having a hard time to catch up with what we actually spend. Without proper reporting, it's hard to justify an increase of the budget, so we ended up doing some scenarios (regional spending vs. premiere events vs. outreach etc.) and just requesting the same amount of money we had the year before.

This means:

• The Council already submitted the budget for FY18 to Red Hat.
• Once we know how much we actually get, we need to share it among the

regions. See https://fedorahosted.org/council/ticket/58 for the FY17 shares.

• Whatever we decide at the FAD will not impact the budget. Only good

reporting will get us more money.

• We not only need to show how we spent our money in the past but also

need a vision of what we want to achieve with it in FY18.

• Budget.Next was a big change. It goes into the right direction, but

has some flaws. We will probably see more changes in the process, which will make planning for us even more complicated.

• With bexelbie's help, we should be able to to iron out the kinks,

but it's probably going to cost some time.

This being said, I'm not not sure if it makes sense to have a FAD in December as we used to. Unless there is urgent business (event planning, swag production) we cannot do virtually, we should target something in March next year.

Please don't get me wrong: I'm not against holding a FAD, I'm sure we can get a lot of things done. But I'm unsure about the timing because we already missed the deadline for this year.

Best regards, Christoph

unfortunately all are correct and some other circumstances causes the issue, that the legacy FAD in Rheinfelden was not hols last year and also not this year (in december). The legacy Rheinfelden FAD (if I'm allowed to call it so) has just one big topic: Define the dates, where EMEA Ambassador want to join an event in the next Red Hat fiscal year and fix the money we (in EMEA) need from Red Hat to sponsor that events/attendance/accomodations. Beside that we mostly also talked about swag and what we want to have and what we want to getdone but moste, nothing happened in that area; unfortunately ... So I'd like to come up with an other idea: Most of the responsible and involved Ambassadors are at FOSDEM (anyway). Why don't we spend the friday in front of FOSDEM for our annual Budget FAD (for EMEA Ambassadors) having a social event (called beer event from FOSDEM) and have one strong day to discuss, argue and point out what to do, who and when. If that is fixed, we can create tasks for fixing everything and can have a second (virtual meeting) aroung eastern to get it "write in stone" and give it to Red Hat for approval.

Other topic in that idea is also to maybe get the FPO (just one day earlier than FOSDEM) to our EMEA event and have a "responsible Red Hat person" on the table where we get better in touch than in IRC and maybe we get the chance to have him exclusively (because during the year he is not that often in our community present in person).

I like the idea of holding this with FOSDEM to reduce costs. I will be at the meeting if at all possible and I live in Brno. I'm not the FPL, but hopefully the FCAIC is enough :)

Have you considered the Monday after FOSDEM?

As prep for this FAD, perhaps people could think about how their proposed activities align with the Fedora Objectives, not just general user attraction and promotion.

Regards,

bex

As an example for resources to consider, there is a logic model template available that you can use to help drive planning for a FAD. It definitely helps guide the thoughts behind planning in a certain direction and I recommend using it as a resource. The link to the source and then to an example is below:

 https://pagure.io/FedoraLogicModelTemplate

 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Diversity_FAD_2017_Logic_Model.png

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If you all agree, I'll be happy to check if I can organize everything for such a FAD (location and budget [*g*] etc.).

So let me know your opinion

C u soon Gerold

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On Oct 20, 2016, at 2:51 AM, Gerold gerold@lugd.org wrote:

Most of the responsible and involved Ambassadors are at FOSDEM (anyway). Why don't we spend the friday in front of FOSDEM for our annual Budget FAD (for EMEA Ambassadors) having a social event (called beer event from FOSDEM) and have one strong day to discuss, argue and point out what to do, who and when.

Hi,

I'm sure that adding 1/2 days to FOSDEM will allow us to greatly reduce expenses, but I belive many people will not be available (I'm probably in this list). In the "normal" FAD, only a weekend is used, so no affect on the working week would be present, while adding days to a weekend event such as FOSDEM will mean that people will need to take days off work/school and this could be harder and/or more expensive for some people.

Best, Fale

Will we organize it, or not?

For example we can organize it after DevConf'17 in Brno (before FOSDEM), since lots of us will be there and we can reduce the costs.

~Jona

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On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Ms Sanchez bhkohane@gmail.com wrote:

Hello

Yes, this is true. Specially because many times is easier to take a Thursday or a Friday off than a Monday/Tuesday. But maybe we can find a day that fits everyone or almost everyone? Or make some room in Sunday?

Cheers,

Sylvia

On 24/10/16 20:13, Fabio Alessandro Locati wrote:

On Oct 20, 2016, at 2:51 AM, Gerold gerold@lugd.org gerold@lugd.org wrote:

Most of the responsible and involved Ambassadors are at FOSDEM (anyway). Why don't we spend the friday in front of FOSDEM for our annual Budget FAD (for EMEA Ambassadors) having a social event (called beer event from FOSDEM) and have one strong day to discuss, argue and point out what to do, who and when.

Hi,

I'm sure that adding 1/2 days to FOSDEM will allow us to greatly reduce expenses, but I belive many people will not be available (I'm probably in this list). In the "normal" FAD, only a weekend is used, so no affect on the working week would be present, while adding days to a weekend event such as FOSDEM will mean that people will need to take days off work/school and this could be harder and/or more expensive for some people.

Best, Fale

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