Il 30/gen/2017 03:49 AM, "William Moreno" williamjmorenor@gmail.com ha scritto:
El 29/1/2017 7:11 p. m., "Itamar Reis Peixoto" itamar@ispbrasil.com.br escribió:
23:27:45 <juon> +1 to Brasil FAS ??? Not counted Votation was closed 00:07:36 <rigobersol> brasil +1 fas rigobersol cla_fpca OK
Neville, I am sorry but Panamá didn't won the voting because rigobersol and Juon vote was not counted for Brazil, anyway I don't think repeating a FUDCon in Panamá is better for the Project instead of having a FUDCon in Paraguay that never received one,
Can you provide us the Juon fas information?, we request people who attendees the meeting to identify they selves with .fas FASUSERNAME , also most people in the meeting have theirs nicks registered in freenode so you can trust in the identity of the person begin the Nick, with rigobersol vote there is a draw, anyway we need to wait the council opinion.
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Well I think we/you are going in the wrong direction, it seems to me you are fighting one against the other when you have the same goal at the end. I saw the bids just a few days ago and am surprised you already voted, because the bids have both pros and cons. I would consider instead to extend the deadline (remember we don't have a budget yet set) and try to find more arguments why the FUDCon should be in Panama or in Brazil. People should not vote just for winning a bit, they should vote having enough informations about the bids. Organizing a FUDCon is not simple and you need a lot of people and a good strategy to be successful. So please, before you fight within your region about valid or invalid votes, think about the final goal and extend your deadline a bit. If you like I'm sure jkurik can setup a voting session, although the Region's proposals to the Council never needed that. My two cents. Robert
Hi guys, sorry but I was unable to attend past meeting.
I'm +1 to Brazil, because I'm sure that a big part of the Latinoware audience (4 to 5k people) will also attend Fudcon, so we will save $ with flights, etc.
On the other hand, if Fudcon is going to Panama, it's a great opportunity to spend some time and to visit that country.
On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 12:23:17 -0000 "Filipe Rosset" rosset.filipe@gmail.com wrote:
Hi guys, sorry but I was unable to attend past meeting.
I'm +1 to Brazil, because I'm sure that a big part of the Latinoware audience (4 to 5k people) will also attend Fudcon, so we will save $ with flights, etc.
On the other hand, if Fudcon is going to Panama, it's a great opportunity to spend some time and to visit that country.
This a very important view of the event. A user point of view.
True to be told, there was a FUDCon in Brazil within FISL. What happened was that we didn't get attention from the larger multitude. Attendance to FUDCon activities were scarce, mainly only the contributors sponsored to be there. The talks scheduled on the main event were few, because we already have our own space. Our work for the project was not much as we have also booth time to take care of to answer questions to the public.
So, I think that we should be at latinoware and have four or five people there for the event. It is the most important event of Southamerica. The contributors coming out of Latinoware has been anecdotical and not something that can be established. We can not say that we get at least one new collaborator out of Latinoware each year. Still Fedora should be present at that event.
But I think that hosting FUDCon will not be productive. This is not only my opinion, it is what the general view of the council mailing list has been discussing about FUDCon and Flock. There should be a special circumstances for a co-hosted event to work. Two communities that see benefit of sharing the space and time. FUDCon will have no impact in the outcome of Latinoware. Latinoware will benefit for having Fedora people in the event, but fedora community will be diluted in such big event. If I had the opportunity to be at Latinoware, I will want to spent most of my time on the talks about robotics and 3D printing.
Everyone wants to be part of FUDCon, everyone wants to FUDCon be near to be able to attend even if there is no sponsorship. But that is not what will make FUDCon a worthy investment of money and the time of the collaborators involved.
If we want something different to happen, we should try to do something different.
What really matters is having clear objetives of what we expect to be the outcome of FUDCon and how the organizing team has arranged the schedule to make sure those objectives will be met.
Neville
On 02/02/2017 04:15 PM, Neville A. Cross wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 12:23:17 -0000 "Filipe Rosset" rosset.filipe@gmail.com wrote: Everyone wants to be part of FUDCon, everyone wants to FUDCon be near to be able to attend even if there is no sponsorship. But that is not what will make FUDCon a worthy investment of money and the time of the collaborators involved.
If we want something different to happen, we should try to do something different.
Having a FUDCon in Latinoware is something different (never tried before) fisl is not the same event as Latinoware.
We are expecting in our FUDCon to have more people attending than speakers, here a photo for you.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Latinoware_2017
please not that the bid is from Brazil + Paraguay, the other 2 guys responsible for the bid are from Fedora Paraguay.
+1
That is exactly the same perspective I have about Latinoware and having Fudcon on large events.
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Fecha: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 12:15:53 -0600 Asunto: [Ambassadors] Re: Fudcon bids election Para: ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.orgmailto:ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org Reply-to: ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org De: Neville A. Cross <yn1v@taygon.commailto:%22Neville%20A.%20Cross%22%20%3cyn1v@taygon.com%3e>
On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 12:23:17 -0000 "Filipe Rosset" <rosset.filipe@gmail.commailto:rosset.filipe@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys, sorry but I was unable to attend past meeting.
I'm +1 to Brazil, because I'm sure that a big part of the Latinoware audience (4 to 5k people) will also attend Fudcon, so we will save $ with flights, etc.
On the other hand, if Fudcon is going to Panama, it's a great opportunity to spend some time and to visit that country.
This a very important view of the event. A user point of view.
True to be told, there was a FUDCon in Brazil within FISL. What happened was that we didn't get attention from the larger multitude. Attendance to FUDCon activities were scarce, mainly only the contributors sponsored to be there. The talks scheduled on the main event were few, because we already have our own space. Our work for the project was not much as we have also booth time to take care of to answer questions to the public.
So, I think that we should be at latinoware and have four or five people there for the event. It is the most important event of Southamerica. The contributors coming out of Latinoware has been anecdotical and not something that can be established. We can not say that we get at least one new collaborator out of Latinoware each year. Still Fedora should be present at that event.
But I think that hosting FUDCon will not be productive. This is not only my opinion, it is what the general view of the council mailing list has been discussing about FUDCon and Flock. There should be a special circumstances for a co-hosted event to work. Two communities that see benefit of sharing the space and time. FUDCon will have no impact in the outcome of Latinoware. Latinoware will benefit for having Fedora people in the event, but fedora community will be diluted in such big event. If I had the opportunity to be at Latinoware, I will want to spent most of my time on the talks about robotics and 3D printing.
Everyone wants to be part of FUDCon, everyone wants to FUDCon be near to be able to attend even if there is no sponsorship. But that is not what will make FUDCon a worthy investment of money and the time of the collaborators involved.
If we want something different to happen, we should try to do something different.
What really matters is having clear objetives of what we expect to be the outcome of FUDCon and how the organizing team has arranged the schedule to make sure those objectives will be met.
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Thanks. Robert good points.
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Fecha: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 07:52:04 +0100 Asunto: [Ambassadors] Re: Fudcon bids election Para: ambassadors <ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.orgmailto:ambassadors%20%3cambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org%3e> Reply-to: ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org De: Robert Mayr <robyduck@fedoraproject.orgmailto:Robert%20Mayr%20%3crobyduck@fedoraproject.org%3e>
Il 30/gen/2017 03:49 AM, "William Moreno" <williamjmorenor@gmail.commailto:williamjmorenor@gmail.com> ha scritto:
El 29/1/2017 7:11 p. m., "Itamar Reis Peixoto" <itamar@ispbrasil.com.brmailto:itamar@ispbrasil.com.br> escribió:
23:27:45 <juon> +1 to Brasil FAS ??? Not counted Votation was closed 00:07:36 <rigobersol> brasil +1 fas rigobersol cla_fpca OK
Neville, I am sorry but Panamá didn't won the voting because rigobersol and Juon vote was not counted for Brazil, anyway I don't think repeating a FUDCon in Panamá is better for the Project instead of having a FUDCon in Paraguay that never received one,
Can you provide us the Juon fas information?, we request people who attendees the meeting to identify they selves with .fas FASUSERNAME , also most people in the meeting have theirs nicks registered in freenode so you can trust in the identity of the person begin the Nick, with rigobersol vote there is a draw, anyway we need to wait the council opinion.
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Well I think we/you are going in the wrong direction, it seems to me you are fighting one against the other when you have the same goal at the end. I saw the bids just a few days ago and am surprised you already voted, because the bids have both pros and cons. I would consider instead to extend the deadline (remember we don't have a budget yet set) and try to find more arguments why the FUDCon should be in Panama or in Brazil. People should not vote just for winning a bit, they should vote having enough informations about the bids. Organizing a FUDCon is not simple and you need a lot of people and a good strategy to be successful. So please, before you fight within your region about valid or invalid votes, think about the final goal and extend your deadline a bit. If you like I'm sure jkurik can setup a voting session, although the Region's proposals to the Council never needed that. My two cents. Robert
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Agree with you Robert, because of that, we are looking for the decision on Council side.
El lun., 30 de ene. de 2017 a la(s) 10:02, alejandro perez < aeperezt@hotmail.com> escribió:
Thanks. Robert good points.
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*Fecha*: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 07:52:04 +0100 *Asunto*: [Ambassadors] Re: Fudcon bids election *Para*: ambassadors <ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org <ambassadors%20%3cambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org%3e>> Reply-to: ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org *De*: Robert Mayr <robyduck@fedoraproject.org <Robert%20Mayr%20%3crobyduck@fedoraproject.org%3e>>
Il 30/gen/2017 03:49 AM, "William Moreno" williamjmorenor@gmail.com ha scritto:
El 29/1/2017 7:11 p. m., "Itamar Reis Peixoto" itamar@ispbrasil.com.br escribió:
23:27:45 <juon> +1 to Brasil FAS ??? Not counted Votation was closed 00:07:36 <rigobersol> brasil +1 fas rigobersol cla_fpca OK
Neville, I am sorry but Panamá didn't won the voting because rigobersol and Juon vote was not counted for Brazil, anyway I don't think repeating a FUDCon in Panamá is better for the Project instead of having a FUDCon in Paraguay that never received one,
Can you provide us the Juon fas information?, we request people who attendees the meeting to identify they selves with .fas FASUSERNAME , also most people in the meeting have theirs nicks registered in freenode so you can trust in the identity of the person begin the Nick, with rigobersol vote there is a draw, anyway we need to wait the council opinion.
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Well I think we/you are going in the wrong direction, it seems to me you are fighting one against the other when you have the same goal at the end. I saw the bids just a few days ago and am surprised you already voted, because the bids have both pros and cons. I would consider instead to extend the deadline (remember we don't have a budget yet set) and try to find more arguments why the FUDCon should be in Panama or in Brazil. People should not vote just for winning a bit, they should vote having enough informations about the bids. Organizing a FUDCon is not simple and you need a lot of people and a good strategy to be successful. So please, before you fight within your region about valid or invalid votes, think about the final goal and extend your deadline a bit. If you like I'm sure jkurik can setup a voting session, although the Region's proposals to the Council never needed that. My two cents. Robert
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On 30/01/17 06:52, Robert Mayr wrote:
Well I think we/you are going in the wrong direction, it seems to me you are fighting one against the other when you have the same goal at the end. I saw the bids just a few days ago and am surprised you already voted, because the bids have both pros and cons. I would consider instead to extend the deadline (remember we don't have a budget yet set) and try to find more arguments why the FUDCon should be in Panama or in Brazil. People should not vote just for winning a bit, they should vote having enough informations about the bids. Organizing a FUDCon is not simple and you need a lot of people and a good strategy to be successful. So please, before you fight within your region about valid or invalid votes, think about the final goal and extend your deadline a bit. If you like I'm sure jkurik can setup a voting session, although the Region's proposals to the Council never needed that. My two cents. Robert
Hello,
I am originally from LATAM although I'm not living there anymore. This is always the same and this year only seemed to got worse. I think the best is letting the Council to decide. If ones are going to argue with others, most likely that voting again through a different method won't fix the problem.
My two cents, Sylvia
Sylvia, answering threads without add nothing positive or any idea, is a waste of time and efforts, Talking wrong about Latam is a shame taking into account that you are coming you from here.
The problem here is that Latam should learn that the Fudcon should be hosted for the country that is more benefit for the project (contributors, users, costs) and not because the flight is cheaper or not there or because is near to my country.
By the way, you're not originally from Latam, you're latina and you always will continue being.
El lun., 30 de ene. de 2017 a la(s) 12:27, Lailah bhkohane@gmail.com escribió:
On 30/01/17 06:52, Robert Mayr wrote:
Well I think we/you are going in the wrong direction, it seems to me you are fighting one against the other when you have the same goal at the end. I saw the bids just a few days ago and am surprised you already voted, because the bids have both pros and cons. I would consider instead to extend the deadline (remember we don't have a budget yet set) and try to find more arguments why the FUDCon should be in Panama or in Brazil. People should not vote just for winning a bit, they should vote having enough informations about the bids. Organizing a FUDCon is not simple and you need a lot of people and a good strategy to be successful. So please, before you fight within your region about valid or invalid votes, think about the final goal and extend your deadline a bit. If you like I'm sure jkurik can setup a voting session, although the Region's proposals to the Council never needed that. My two cents. Robert
Hello,
I am originally from LATAM although I'm not living there anymore. This is always the same and this year only seemed to got worse. I think the best is letting the Council to decide. If ones are going to argue with others, most likely that voting again through a different method won't fix the problem.
My two cents, Sylvia
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